NHL EQUIVALENCIES AT CHRISTMAS (VOL 2)

Lowetide
December 26 2013 08:08AM

In our second look at NHL equivalencies during the Christmas season, we're off to Oklahoma City in order to find some signs of offense. A youngster like Travis Ewanyk (in photo) is playing 4line minutes, are there any signs he can play someday in the NHL? Let's have a look.

THE YOUNG GROUP (19-TO-22)

I've started to use Rob Vollman's equivalencies for AHL players, he staggers the number based on age. That makes sense, since a 20-year old posting a point-per-game is clearly better than a 27-year old doing the same thing. Here are the NHL equivalencies for men aged 19-22 on the Barons (per 82 games):

  1. C Anton Lander 22-14-36
  2. C Roman Horak 13-14-27
  3. D Martin Gernat 0-18-18
  4. C Ryan Martindale 6-11-17
  5. R Tyler Pitlick 4-10-14
  6. D Martin Marincin 6-7-13
  7. L Curtis Hamilton 0-9-9
  8. C Travis Ewanyk 4-3-7
  9. L  Kale Kessy 3-4-7
  10. D Oscar Klefbom 0-5-5
  11. D David Musil 0-5-5
  12. D Brandon Davidson 0-3-3

Lots of good information here. First, Anton Lander! His final season in Sweden featured some solid offense, but it's been a miserable time for him in North America. He started to turn the corner last season when the NHLers went home, and that is continuing this season. Roman Horak is the new hire, I liked him in Calgary and believe he should get a shot in Edmonton (probably next season). Martin Gernat is beginning to emerge as a viable two-way option for the Barons, and his number at 20 is encouraging. Among the rest, I like the Marincin number but the Klefbom number suggests we might be looking at Smid-level offense from the young phenom.

(Phil Larsen. All photos by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved).

THE MIDDLE GROUP (23-TO-26)

This group has added experience to their skill set, and so a little more air is let out of their tires using the Vollman method. Per 82 games:

  1. L Linus Omark 18-19-37
  2. D Phil Larsen 5-32-37
  3. D Taylor Fedun 5-17-22
  4. D Brad Hunt 5-16-21
  5. C Andrew Miller 6-14-20
  6. C CJ Stretch 6-11-17
  7. C Will Acton 9-5-14

No surprise that Omark posts the best number, but a big surprise that Larsen's offense is so mammoth. Now, this is in fewer than 10 games, but the young man has been on a pace in the NHL that would put him past 30 points in a full season. Fedun is a solid AHL player looking for a chance, Hunt is intriguing and Miller, Stretch and Acton are also in photo. In that group, only Acton is a pure defensive forward, so the other two are in a little trouble as prospects.

THE OLDER GROUP (27+)

This is the group that is either trying to find NHL work or at the end of their NHL run before heading to Europe. It's unlikely any of this group ends up in the NHL for an extended period of time. Per 82 games:

  1. L Ryan Hamilton 7-10-17
  2. R Matt Ford 6-8-14
  3. R Derek Nesbitt 6-7-13
  4. D Denis Grebeshkov 3-5-8

Hamilton is a guy I thought might have some NHL impact, but foot speed exposed him and he had poor timing in the injury department. Grebeshkov's skills have eroded since leaving the NHL, I'm surprised he isn't back in Russia.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

It's a dog-eat-dog world when it comes to getting clearance from other prospects, but this season I would suggest that Barons Lander, Gernat, Marincin, Larsen and Fedun have done it. There's a lot of defensemen on that list, but they lack experience. As has been said many times, the odds that Edmonton cashes one or two of these young men for a more experienced player is high.

The CHL, college and Euro group is here.  I'll do a wrap up post in the coming days.

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#51 K_Mart
December 27 2013, 09:37AM
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nunyour wrote:

imo Larsen is playing better than J. Schultz

Not sure I agree with you on this. But I do think it's close.

Larsen has NHL speed, there's no doubt about that, and he is putting up quality offense, but he seems to have a worse stick than Jultz in the d zone, and he also seems to keep having his shots blocked from the point, which often results in an odd man rush.

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#52 Mikey
December 27 2013, 10:42AM
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Spydyr wrote:

The team needs a "first tier" pairing defencemen not a "Second tier" first pairing defencemen.

Did you expect Pronger to be traded here?

Did you expect Gretzky to be sold?

Anyone repeat anyone can be moved.

Of course the team needs a 'first tier" D man. No where did I say they didn't. You missed my point. My point is. People don't trade top of the top D at or near their prime.

Nice examples. One of which happened a long time ago for non hockey reasons, which was also not for a top pairing D. The second one happening again is almost as likley as Edmonton making the playoffs this year.

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#53 Mikey
December 27 2013, 11:02AM
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Spydyr wrote:

The team needs a "first tier" pairing defencemen not a "Second tier" first pairing defencemen.

Did you expect Pronger to be traded here?

Did you expect Gretzky to be sold?

Anyone repeat anyone can be moved.

Brain Campbell, Dion Phaneuf, Jay Bouwmeester, Dustin Byfuglien, Jack Johnson, Dennis Seidenberg, Marc Methot, Fedor Tyutin, Luke Schenn, Ryan McDonagh.

Are the top NHL D men that were traded in the past few years, that are still active. Out of them, McDonagh was traded way before anyone really knew what he would be like. Campbell and Byfuglien were traded because of cap reasons.

And how many of these men would you consider "First tier" D men?

So the strategy should be to find a "Second tier" first pair D man, or find a up and comer.

Referance: http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/07/09/how-tough-will-it-be-for-the-edmonton-oilers-to-acquire-a-top-nhl-defenceman/

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#54 6 ring circus
December 27 2013, 11:49AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Thanks for this:

A number of points/comments:

1. Staples got his info on hedja from reading a Denver paper - no one in the Edmonton journo community had this story. And they had six years to look into it.

2. This is not the first time a player has been driven out of town by the Lowe/MacT combo. The list is long. And it's a list that likely doesn't include several others where the story has never become public - (see point one above for a hint as to why or who might be the culprits. Also keeping mum about management conduct is usually a very good way to keep ones career and reputation in the NHL). It is becoming a large enough body of evidence to be comparable to and perhaps even exceed that of the leafs during ballard's tenure as owner.

3. One of the common refrains of those who support oilers management is that it is execeptionally difficult to attract established free agent talent because of EDM's geographic challenges. While there is significant basis for that argument (and likely all those reading this can make personal testimony in support), there seems very likely to be a Perhaps even more powerful deterrent - management's ineptitude, incompetence and lack of professionalism. Perhaps players and their agents are using the location disclaimer as an easy cover what they really think - that being "I'm not playing for those clowns"; "why would I sewer my future and risk being handled like souray, comrie et al?"

You make some very good points, I am pretty sure players like Hejda,Souray,Comrie, and Penner to name a few, let their teammates know how it is to play in Edmonton and those players relayed the information to their agents,Edmonton is probably at the bottom of the list for most NHL players and it has to do more with management than with the city itself,look at Detroit, the city is the murder capital of America,crime rates are very high and yet players do not think twice about playing there, its because their ownership and management group,they do not have a idiot who shoots off his mouth about how many cups he has won and that he knows a thing or two about winning when the Oiler's have been a bottom feeder for the past 7 years.Lets face it, if you could play in the NHL knowing what you know about Lowe, would you want to play for him? I know I wouldn't.

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#55 Oiler Al
December 27 2013, 12:54PM
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Wonder how long Stauffer and MacT, rehearsed their interview before putting it to tape.

Let a real journalist do an interview, instead of your in-house Kool Aide production.

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#56 Rama Lama
December 27 2013, 01:12PM
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I too think that the main reason for getting rid of Lowe is because of the very bad reputation he has with his peers, agents, and especially players.

Too many players have gone from Edmonton only to become a success on their next team. The list is long and the type of players we now covet, were once Oilers.......it's so sad to see. Souray, Satan, Stoll, Glencross, Hedja, Smid, Smyth, .......you get the idea, were all run out of town for no real reason. It only takes a few players to spread the word that the Oilers organization is toxic to your career. One wonders if players like Riley Nash refused to sign because of all these rumours??

This is why Lowe has to be fired.......the man is toxic, plain and simple!

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#57 Just a Fan
December 27 2013, 01:35PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I too think that the main reason for getting rid of Lowe is because of the very bad reputation he has with his peers, agents, and especially players.

Too many players have gone from Edmonton only to become a success on their next team. The list is long and the type of players we now covet, were once Oilers.......it's so sad to see. Souray, Satan, Stoll, Glencross, Hedja, Smid, Smyth, .......you get the idea, were all run out of town for no real reason. It only takes a few players to spread the word that the Oilers organization is toxic to your career. One wonders if players like Riley Nash refused to sign because of all these rumours??

This is why Lowe has to be fired.......the man is toxic, plain and simple!

Way to revise history. I would suggest you check your facts or redefine the term 'run out of town'.

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#58 camdog
December 27 2013, 03:06PM
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For years I have been waiting for the Jason Chimera story. He's another player that had differing opinions then Lowe and Mact. Has anybody heard his story?

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#59 Oiler Al
December 27 2013, 03:35PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I too think that the main reason for getting rid of Lowe is because of the very bad reputation he has with his peers, agents, and especially players.

Too many players have gone from Edmonton only to become a success on their next team. The list is long and the type of players we now covet, were once Oilers.......it's so sad to see. Souray, Satan, Stoll, Glencross, Hedja, Smid, Smyth, .......you get the idea, were all run out of town for no real reason. It only takes a few players to spread the word that the Oilers organization is toxic to your career. One wonders if players like Riley Nash refused to sign because of all these rumours??

This is why Lowe has to be fired.......the man is toxic, plain and simple!

Rama, and to think all this time he let everyone believe it was the climate and the city that kept them from not wanting to be an Oiler.[ No uglier city than MotorCity, and Ottawa, Montreal, Winnipeg are not exactlly lining the beachs in December.]Seems these cities attract decent players.

As long as Katz is wearing that old No.4 jock strap over his head,,.. Lowe is here to stay.

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#60 G-Unit
December 27 2013, 08:44PM
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NewfoundlandOil wrote:

But the key here is that he fell onto the Oilers lap and not another team with cap space at the time and the pieces to move.

It is over simplistic to suggest it was a gift from the Blues. Right place, right time for sure but that is probably half an NHL trade anyway. IMO Lowe deserves credit for this acquisition regardless of the current state of the team.

Why not just say, the Oilers acquired Pronger at the perfect time along with other players and put together a Cup run. Which is to say that perhaps they can do that again.

As for now, identify the player and go out and get him and yes please victimize a team in the process.

Pronger was Lowe's high point and low point. Got him for a song and then gave him up for about the same. Both ridiculous trades, but the panic to unload Pronger was unnecessary. Player wants trade/ player can wait for the right deal.

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#61 Spydyr
December 28 2013, 09:12AM
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Mikey wrote:

Of course the team needs a 'first tier" D man. No where did I say they didn't. You missed my point. My point is. People don't trade top of the top D at or near their prime.

Nice examples. One of which happened a long time ago for non hockey reasons, which was also not for a top pairing D. The second one happening again is almost as likley as Edmonton making the playoffs this year.

"My point is. People don't trade top of the top D at or near their prime."

My bad guess Chara and Pronger were not in their prime.

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#62 Mikey
December 28 2013, 10:03AM
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"My point is. People don't trade top of the top D at or near their prime."

My bad guess Chara and Pronger were not in their prime.

Both were in their prime, too bad Chara wasn't traded. He signed as a UFA. You really shouldn't hit yourself. Try using google to get the facts.

So you can only name one time, it seems. One in a million. That's what the oilers should keep waiting/ hoping for?

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