NHL EQUIVALENCIES AT CHRISTMAS (VOL 2)

Lowetide
December 26 2013 08:08AM

In our second look at NHL equivalencies during the Christmas season, we're off to Oklahoma City in order to find some signs of offense. A youngster like Travis Ewanyk (in photo) is playing 4line minutes, are there any signs he can play someday in the NHL? Let's have a look.

THE YOUNG GROUP (19-TO-22)

I've started to use Rob Vollman's equivalencies for AHL players, he staggers the number based on age. That makes sense, since a 20-year old posting a point-per-game is clearly better than a 27-year old doing the same thing. Here are the NHL equivalencies for men aged 19-22 on the Barons (per 82 games):

  1. C Anton Lander 22-14-36
  2. C Roman Horak 13-14-27
  3. D Martin Gernat 0-18-18
  4. C Ryan Martindale 6-11-17
  5. R Tyler Pitlick 4-10-14
  6. D Martin Marincin 6-7-13
  7. L Curtis Hamilton 0-9-9
  8. C Travis Ewanyk 4-3-7
  9. L  Kale Kessy 3-4-7
  10. D Oscar Klefbom 0-5-5
  11. D David Musil 0-5-5
  12. D Brandon Davidson 0-3-3

Lots of good information here. First, Anton Lander! His final season in Sweden featured some solid offense, but it's been a miserable time for him in North America. He started to turn the corner last season when the NHLers went home, and that is continuing this season. Roman Horak is the new hire, I liked him in Calgary and believe he should get a shot in Edmonton (probably next season). Martin Gernat is beginning to emerge as a viable two-way option for the Barons, and his number at 20 is encouraging. Among the rest, I like the Marincin number but the Klefbom number suggests we might be looking at Smid-level offense from the young phenom.

(Phil Larsen. All photos by Rob Ferguson, all rights reserved).

THE MIDDLE GROUP (23-TO-26)

This group has added experience to their skill set, and so a little more air is let out of their tires using the Vollman method. Per 82 games:

  1. L Linus Omark 18-19-37
  2. D Phil Larsen 5-32-37
  3. D Taylor Fedun 5-17-22
  4. D Brad Hunt 5-16-21
  5. C Andrew Miller 6-14-20
  6. C CJ Stretch 6-11-17
  7. C Will Acton 9-5-14

No surprise that Omark posts the best number, but a big surprise that Larsen's offense is so mammoth. Now, this is in fewer than 10 games, but the young man has been on a pace in the NHL that would put him past 30 points in a full season. Fedun is a solid AHL player looking for a chance, Hunt is intriguing and Miller, Stretch and Acton are also in photo. In that group, only Acton is a pure defensive forward, so the other two are in a little trouble as prospects.

THE OLDER GROUP (27+)

This is the group that is either trying to find NHL work or at the end of their NHL run before heading to Europe. It's unlikely any of this group ends up in the NHL for an extended period of time. Per 82 games:

  1. L Ryan Hamilton 7-10-17
  2. R Matt Ford 6-8-14
  3. R Derek Nesbitt 6-7-13
  4. D Denis Grebeshkov 3-5-8

Hamilton is a guy I thought might have some NHL impact, but foot speed exposed him and he had poor timing in the injury department. Grebeshkov's skills have eroded since leaving the NHL, I'm surprised he isn't back in Russia.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

It's a dog-eat-dog world when it comes to getting clearance from other prospects, but this season I would suggest that Barons Lander, Gernat, Marincin, Larsen and Fedun have done it. There's a lot of defensemen on that list, but they lack experience. As has been said many times, the odds that Edmonton cashes one or two of these young men for a more experienced player is high.

The CHL, college and Euro group is here.  I'll do a wrap up post in the coming days.

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#51 Spydyr
December 27 2013, 08:58AM
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Mikey wrote:

No I think he is being realistic. No one, I repeat, no one, would ever trade Erik Karlsson, Ryan Suter, Drew Doughty or Alex Pietrangelo right now.

You are better off tring to get a Vlasic, Giordano, Byfuglien, Yandle type player. As Kevin Lowe would call them "Second tier" first pairing D. Which Gagner, a prospect and a pick has a chance of getting.

The team needs a "first tier" pairing defencemen not a "Second tier" first pairing defencemen.

Did you expect Pronger to be traded here?

Did you expect Gretzky to be sold?

Anyone repeat anyone can be moved.

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#52 Brian
December 26 2013, 09:32AM
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How is the NHlL Equivalency calculated? Or where can I find the answer? Thanks .

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#53 Mikey
December 27 2013, 08:16AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

If you are referring to pronger, He pretty much fell in Lowe's lap as the blues couldn't afford to extend his contract under the new cap restrictions while edmonton had plenty of room.

Sounds familiar....

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#54 Spydyr
December 27 2013, 08:24AM
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Andrew wrote:

I realize this comment is about as off topic as I could get regarding 'equivalencies' but here goes.

I just read Staples article in the Journal about how the Oil managed to trip over their own feet and lost Jan Hejda to a quicker thinking and quicker reacting Scott Howson of the Columbus blue jackets and former assistant GM of those same Oil. Hejda also deals with how the Oil management and coaching almost drove him out of Hockey with the way they managed him.

If you want the details of the article I would suggest you read for yourself. My point is that is just one example of the numb skull thinking of Lowe and MacT.

I also read the comments of MacT about how in his opinion the Oil games have been entertaining to the denizens of Wrecksall this season. This was also written by Staples and can be found on the Journal page.

My question is ...is MacT and upper Oiler management on crack? With that mentality running the operation we may never see playoffs again no matter how many first round kicks at the cat these dopes have.

Happy freaking holidays.

His side burns were too long for Lowe's liking.

The article in question is here :

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/12/26/how-stalwart-d-man-jan-hejda-got-picked-off-from-the-edmonton-oilers-organization/

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#55 K_Mart
December 27 2013, 09:29AM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

If Klefbom can only put up Smid offensive numbers, would he really be a top 2 defenseman? If you look at any blueliner that is considered a top two defenseman in the NHL, you can see that they put up at least decent numbers

He's going to be Smids replacement. And he will be a decent upgrade. Not really going to be a game changer for this team, but he is the strongest defensive prospect we have. He's also the best skater outside of Larsen.

Klef will be a solid #4 for many years if he isn't traded first, but dont expect him to be the difference between us and the playoffs. I'm not sure why LT uses the label Phenom. Not sure anyone other than Hall deserves that label.

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#56 K_Mart
December 27 2013, 09:37AM
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nunyour wrote:

imo Larsen is playing better than J. Schultz

Not sure I agree with you on this. But I do think it's close.

Larsen has NHL speed, there's no doubt about that, and he is putting up quality offense, but he seems to have a worse stick than Jultz in the d zone, and he also seems to keep having his shots blocked from the point, which often results in an odd man rush.

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#57 Just a Fan
December 27 2013, 01:35PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I too think that the main reason for getting rid of Lowe is because of the very bad reputation he has with his peers, agents, and especially players.

Too many players have gone from Edmonton only to become a success on their next team. The list is long and the type of players we now covet, were once Oilers.......it's so sad to see. Souray, Satan, Stoll, Glencross, Hedja, Smid, Smyth, .......you get the idea, were all run out of town for no real reason. It only takes a few players to spread the word that the Oilers organization is toxic to your career. One wonders if players like Riley Nash refused to sign because of all these rumours??

This is why Lowe has to be fired.......the man is toxic, plain and simple!

Way to revise history. I would suggest you check your facts or redefine the term 'run out of town'.

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#58 camdog
December 27 2013, 03:06PM
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For years I have been waiting for the Jason Chimera story. He's another player that had differing opinions then Lowe and Mact. Has anybody heard his story?

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#59 Oiler Al
December 27 2013, 03:35PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I too think that the main reason for getting rid of Lowe is because of the very bad reputation he has with his peers, agents, and especially players.

Too many players have gone from Edmonton only to become a success on their next team. The list is long and the type of players we now covet, were once Oilers.......it's so sad to see. Souray, Satan, Stoll, Glencross, Hedja, Smid, Smyth, .......you get the idea, were all run out of town for no real reason. It only takes a few players to spread the word that the Oilers organization is toxic to your career. One wonders if players like Riley Nash refused to sign because of all these rumours??

This is why Lowe has to be fired.......the man is toxic, plain and simple!

Rama, and to think all this time he let everyone believe it was the climate and the city that kept them from not wanting to be an Oiler.[ No uglier city than MotorCity, and Ottawa, Montreal, Winnipeg are not exactlly lining the beachs in December.]Seems these cities attract decent players.

As long as Katz is wearing that old No.4 jock strap over his head,,.. Lowe is here to stay.

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#60 Mikey
December 28 2013, 10:03AM
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Spydyr wrote:

"My point is. People don't trade top of the top D at or near their prime."

My bad guess Chara and Pronger were not in their prime.

Both were in their prime, too bad Chara wasn't traded. He signed as a UFA. You really shouldn't hit yourself. Try using google to get the facts.

So you can only name one time, it seems. One in a million. That's what the oilers should keep waiting/ hoping for?

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#61 G-Unit
December 27 2013, 08:44PM
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NewfoundlandOil wrote:

But the key here is that he fell onto the Oilers lap and not another team with cap space at the time and the pieces to move.

It is over simplistic to suggest it was a gift from the Blues. Right place, right time for sure but that is probably half an NHL trade anyway. IMO Lowe deserves credit for this acquisition regardless of the current state of the team.

Why not just say, the Oilers acquired Pronger at the perfect time along with other players and put together a Cup run. Which is to say that perhaps they can do that again.

As for now, identify the player and go out and get him and yes please victimize a team in the process.

Pronger was Lowe's high point and low point. Got him for a song and then gave him up for about the same. Both ridiculous trades, but the panic to unload Pronger was unnecessary. Player wants trade/ player can wait for the right deal.

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#62 Spydyr
December 28 2013, 09:12AM
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Mikey wrote:

Of course the team needs a 'first tier" D man. No where did I say they didn't. You missed my point. My point is. People don't trade top of the top D at or near their prime.

Nice examples. One of which happened a long time ago for non hockey reasons, which was also not for a top pairing D. The second one happening again is almost as likley as Edmonton making the playoffs this year.

"My point is. People don't trade top of the top D at or near their prime."

My bad guess Chara and Pronger were not in their prime.

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