Filling an Oilers Need

Jason Strudwick
December 30 2013 09:43AM

As I have watched the Oilers this season the areas of weakness for this club have been obvious. They are not built to compete with big teams that like to play heavy in the corners and in front of the net.

The defense is full of players suited for second and third pairing roles. Players like Petry and Ference are being asked to play as first pairing guys. This is a tall order for players like this at the best of times and even harder when your group's commitment to playing defense is average at best.

Quick fixes to address the need for forwards that play a heavy game like Wayne Simmons or a top pairing D man like Shea Weber are not easy to come by. When you look at the Oilers NHL roster and the rest of the guys in the system, there are some blue chip prospects in the pipeline on the back end.

I really wanted the Oilers to draft Nurse last year. I felt then and still feel he can anchor the Oilers blue line moving forward. He is big, mean and a leader. I don't expect him to put up a lot of points, he doesn't need to. I believe he is the type of player that will make coming to play in Edmonton uncomfortable for opposing forwards. In time he will be the guy to address players like Backes and Kesler just like Regher used to do for the Flames down in Calgary.

My concern with Nurse is the Oilers ability to be patient with this young man. I see no need to rush him into the NHL. Playing junior next year and then a year in the minors will be healthy for him. He can learn the hardest position at his pace and fill out that big frame.

Oscar Kleifbom is another d-man I have high expectations for, but clearly missing a whole season of hockey last year slowed down his development. He will come around.

There are more projects in the system. The Oilers are hoping that a couple work through their issues. Some need to get quicker, others need to get a lot stronger and some need to learn patience. There is hope on the back end, it just will not be seen for a couple of years.

In my opinion there are very few players in the entire Oilers organization that I have seen play that are a handful to handle in the corners and the front of the net. David Perron is the most obvious top nine forward that is such a player. The Oilers are hoping that Lander, Moroz and Chase develop into full time NHLers that do similar things in this show.

The Oilers need to head to the draft this summer with the goal of addressing this area of weakness. When I look at the Pacific division there is little doubt in my mind that the Kings, Sharks and Ducks are not going to change their style of play. The Oilers need to adjust theirs to compete.

To that end, I have been watching the World Juniors this year very closely. Two players that I think will help the Oilers come closer to challenging the Titans of the pacific division are playing for the Germans and the Swedes.

The Candidates

Let me introduce to you first Mr. Leon Draisaitl. He is playing for Germany in the World juniors and has skated for the Prince Albert Raiders in the WHL the last two seasons. Depending on where you look, he is roughly 6'2 and 200lbs. He is the big center the Oilers are in desperate need of to compete with the Thornton's and Getzlaf's of the Pacific division.

Draisaitl is a big strong player. He skates well and can beat you with his shot or a nice pass to set up a winger. He has 51 points in 33 games in Prince Albert this year (1.54 PPG), tying him for 5th overall in WHL scoring. Unfortunately, he has not been outstanding in the WJC so far, but I believe this is because he has no support on his team. Opposing clubs are smothering him when he gets the puck. He is also playing a ton and looks tired and at times frustrated with the way the tourney has gone for him.

MacT has been over at the World juniors and he has been keeping a close eye of Draisaitl. The Oilers have also made the trip east to Prince Albert to see him play. A big center that can play easily in your top nine and maybe top 6 is a big need for the Oilers. Draisaitl could be the answer.

The second player I have liked to fill a need for the Oilers is Swedish forward Anton Karlsson. He is eligible for the draft this year. Another big forward at 6'1, 190lbs. He is playing a fourth line checking roll for a very stacked Swedish team at the world juniors. In limited minutes he has stood out for me - Karlsson brings a spark to the team when he is on the ice by finishing checks, going to the hard areas and killing penalties.  He is a player that understands how to be an asset to the team by contributing to areas of weakness. What a crazy idea!!!

I have not seen enough of him playing in a different role to say what kind of offensive ability he has but so far this season playing junior hockey in Sweden he has nearly a point a game.

Both Draisaitl and Karlsson are two players the Oilers need to fill their system with. Big forwards (and especially in Karlsson's case), players that will do anything to help his team win. I only hope that MacT and company are seeing the same issues I am.

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#1 Ed in PV
December 30 2013, 09:55AM
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What makes you so sure that Klefblom will "come around"? What have you seen that gives you this confidence. Would you have had the same assessment of Colton Tuebert 3 years ago?

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#2 Gofucoffee
December 30 2013, 09:59AM
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Nice artical Struds, always nice to hear of lesser known players still draft eligible. What about goaltending though? Any standout draft eligible goalies?

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#3 Gofucoffee
December 30 2013, 10:01AM
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Nice artical Struds, always nice to hear of lesser known players still draft eligible. What about goaltending though? Any standout draft eligible goalies?

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#4 Spydyr
December 30 2013, 10:01AM
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Please, please let the BPA be a center with the lotto pick.

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#5 K_Mart
December 30 2013, 10:03AM
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Double post... whatever. In light of all the negativity, here are some positives.

Hall has truly elevated his game, and while he can't single handedly make this team a playoff team, he's often been the main reason we are even in some games. His big turnovers are still in his game, but they occur with far less frequency.

Perron was such a steal of a deal, man did we fleece STL.

Bryz is infinitely better than LABarbara and slightly better than Dubnyk. At first I figured there was ZERO chance of him resigning with us because if he plays awful we won't sign him, and if he plays wel he will sign with someone else, but he seems to really get along with the boys so who knows.

9-9-2 in the second 20(including a 6 game skid against the best teams). I expect better than this, but it is a big step forward from the first 20 games.

Gordon, amazing pick up. I don't even want to think about what our GAA would be without him. Often been our best player when nobody else shows up.

Arcobello. Skates well, hits hard, and makes plays. Great surprise, breathing down gagner's neck for the 2C spot.

While Ebs hasnt looked himself, he's still managing to produce and will likely finish with 65-70 points.

Hemsky. Leads the team in takeaways. Primarily due to backchecking. His play has been great IMO. His minutes have been varied but he's still going to produce 40-50 pts.

Dubnyk looks like his game is back on track.

Belov is finally shooting(god he needs a goal).

The injury problem isn't so bad right now.

Nuge looks slightly improved in all areas of his game comparedto last year. I think ffaceoffs are starting to improve over the last 7-10 games as well for him.

Nurse is captain of the first place team in the OHL. He plays the toughest QualComp in the ENTIRE LEAGUE, he's a ppg, he's big, and he's mean as hell on the ice. Sutter and Canada likely won't even beat the Czechs without him... oh wait.

Last but not least, at the Philly game on Saturday I noticed something about the play of the players and how it was affected positively and negatively by the fans. In the third period for some reason the fans all decided to help the team with a good old fashioned 'Let's go oilers!' Chant, and I'll be damned if it didn't work. For those brief moments, the team sped up and huge chances were generated. You might think the 6th man shouldn't make a difference to a pro, but I swear to you it does. If you don't think the crowd can have a major impact on the outcome of the game go to a seahawks game. I know the players havent earned it, but part of the fun is that the fans can feel like part of the team, and right now we aren't doing our job. I'd like to see the fans just say F You to the opposing team. Maybe our players don't show up every night but I'll be damned if I don't do everything I can to fire up our boys and heckle the crap out of the opposition. Mr.Katz, lower your $1287 beer prices, it's time people started getting kicked out for cheering too loudly again.

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#6 The 'Real' Ron Burgundy
December 30 2013, 10:04AM
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Struds,

Where are these guys ranked?

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#7 They're $hittie
December 30 2013, 10:07AM
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Still bothers me that we want to get tougher to play against and bigger at center yet we decided to employ Will Acton instead of picking up Luke Adam or Patrice Cormier. Both are big centers who can move to wing and do have draft pedigree, can actually play hockey and are agitators.

But Macintyre, Acton and Hamilton were better choices.

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#8 They're $hittie
December 30 2013, 10:08AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Please, please let the BPA be a center with the lotto pick.

Or Ekblad,

A possible Chris Pronger is Harder to get than a 2C. If we get Ekblad than we can use the surplus of D prospects to package for that center.

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#9 K_Mart
December 30 2013, 10:17AM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Or Ekblad,

A possible Chris Pronger is Harder to get than a 2C. If we get Ekblad than we can use the surplus of D prospects to package for that center.

I'd like him, but he's not even close to having Pronger potential. I'd still like to get him though. I think Nurse is better than Ekblad, despite the age difference. I'm not the only one either. Sutter messed up huge by not having him on the team.

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#10 Spydyr
December 30 2013, 10:23AM
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They're $hittie wrote:

Or Ekblad,

A possible Chris Pronger is Harder to get than a 2C. If we get Ekblad than we can use the surplus of D prospects to package for that center.

That is why I mentioned BPA. There appears to be many defence prospects in the system. Not many centers though.

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#11 Sliderule
December 30 2013, 10:24AM
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The oilers are going to be drafting top three.

Reinhart or DalColle are the players that I hope they would take. Dal Colle is third in scoring in OHL and at 6-2 and 185 lbs and a late June birth date has lots of time to fill out.

The oiler forwards are small but other than Belov the defence are midgets.That is were the real problem is .That will require some trades to fix.

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#12 albertaboy19
December 30 2013, 10:24AM
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If the Oilers are on the clock when Ekblad is on the table, you go with Ekblad and it isnt even close. Him and Nurse go along way to fixing the defense here, because anyone who thinks Phaneuf, or Girardi is going to sign here needs to rethink that. No chance those guys even consider Edmonton, unless Edmonton pays them 20% higher than what the actual market is.

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#13 oilabroad
December 30 2013, 10:30AM
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Good article, I agree with most everything.

A couple questions,

what have you heard or seen about Klefbom to give you such high hopes? He isnt posting much for offense, are his defensive stats more compelling?

Are you concerned that once again you are looking to the draft to fix the issues we have? I think we need to get a bit more experienced, the youth mistakes in my opinion are a big issue right now.

If Nurse is the best defenseman in camp (which I expect him to be), do you think there is any chance management lets him go back to jr with a fan base that is already at wits end? Do you think he gets anything else out of another year of jr, he is already a point a game SHUT DOWN defenseman?

Thanks!

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#14 Harlie
December 30 2013, 10:31AM
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That Dristan guy sounds interesting.

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#15 Serious Gord
December 30 2013, 10:35AM
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@K_Mart

Looking for ponies in a mountain - worst ever first half in oilers history - of pooh.

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#16 Chainsawz
December 30 2013, 10:48AM
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By the time Nurse and Klefbom are seasoned enough to move the Oilers out of the first round of playoffs, i wonder how many (if any) years are left on Halls contract.

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#17 Serious Gord
December 30 2013, 10:50AM
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"I see no need to rush him into the NHL. "

This team has plenty of need to rush him. That would very likely be a mistake, but there is need nonetheless.

This team has not got enough of a window to wait for picks - defensive picks that take longer to mature - to address the gaps in this teams makeup. Hall et al will be RFA before then and the breakup of these untouchables will have begun.

That means mgmt will have to trade grade A prospects and picks for right now pieces and solutions. It is a long term pain solution that has become a necessity because of this squandered season - a season where the team should have gotten on the competitiveness track.

But timid actions - not buying out hemsky, trading gagner, not signing labarbera, not signing grebeshkov, etc. caused it and now with the value of hemsky and gagner at zero or negative there is little player equity or cap room to aquire the solutions via trade.

Some ugly moves are going to have to be made to get this team on track to be in the hunt for the cup while the untouchables are still here and yet another rebuild is not required. I doubt that the current management has the cojones to even try to make those moves.

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#18 Alsker
December 30 2013, 10:56AM
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Chainsawz wrote:

By the time Nurse and Klefbom are seasoned enough to move the Oilers out of the first round of playoffs, i wonder how many (if any) years are left on Halls contract.

Well if you believe management and we're half way thru our rebuild than in 4 years these D prospects(Nurse/Klefbom) + Ekblad/Reinhart/ or whoever else we get in the next couple drafts should be ready to add to what will be our veteran core of Hall/Nuge/Ebs/Jultz. Kblowes disregard towards our younger vets 4-6 years ago is what has f*cked this whole rebuild up. Damn good thing he got promoted and is still in charge.

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#19 G-Unit
December 30 2013, 10:56AM
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The problem is that of the 6 d-men on the roster only Schultz and Ference do one thing better than average. In stead of Belov and Larson I would take someone with a bit less skill, but tough as nails and mean. Time for our goal mouth to be an unwelcome environment to skate in. A little face wash or smack on the laces does more good than an ok break out pass vs an icing. Rubber boots(4) was a mediocre d-man at best, but he could get messy when needed and that is what this team needs.

Smid trade - Why? Someone please explain to me how a team with only 4 NHL defencemen can trade one away and get nothing in return. Don't tell me Bryz either, because they could have easily found another way. I also heard that when Smid arrived in Cowtown they were very unimpressed with his physical conditioning. Go Ironman.

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#20 oilabroad
December 30 2013, 11:03AM
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G-Unit wrote:

The problem is that of the 6 d-men on the roster only Schultz and Ference do one thing better than average. In stead of Belov and Larson I would take someone with a bit less skill, but tough as nails and mean. Time for our goal mouth to be an unwelcome environment to skate in. A little face wash or smack on the laces does more good than an ok break out pass vs an icing. Rubber boots(4) was a mediocre d-man at best, but he could get messy when needed and that is what this team needs.

Smid trade - Why? Someone please explain to me how a team with only 4 NHL defencemen can trade one away and get nothing in return. Don't tell me Bryz either, because they could have easily found another way. I also heard that when Smid arrived in Cowtown they were very unimpressed with his physical conditioning. Go Ironman.

I think you answered your own question on Smid... the donut natzi likely didnt care too much for his conditioning either...

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#21 Tuningout
December 30 2013, 11:05AM
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Chainsawz wrote:

By the time Nurse and Klefbom are seasoned enough to move the Oilers out of the first round of playoffs, i wonder how many (if any) years are left on Halls contract.

That's pretty much what I have been thinking. There won't be much left on that contract. Realistically even if we draft Ekbland this year the Oilers are most likely 2-3 years away from having an average defense and 3-5 years away from an impact defense. And that is assuming #1 they have the chance to draft Ekblad #2 they follow a reasonable development system and #3 that at least some of these D prospects meet or exceed their draft expectations.

Tough to be a season ticket holder. Do you hold on to your seats for two more years so you don't lose them. That's a lot of money spent on patience.

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#22 HardBoiledOil
December 30 2013, 11:07AM
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Draisaitl is a guy I have posted on every hockey site I go to that the Oilers should take, and judging by where we will finish in the standings by year's end, he should be there for the taking. my concern that Mr. "i'm an impatient man" MacT seems to have made it clear that our 1st round pick is on the table....not a good sign to me.

the problem with taking Karlsson so high, either at the bottom of the 1st round or top of the 2nd round (we'd have to trade to get a pick in this area), is that some fans have convinced themselves that Moroz, who was taken #32 in the 2nd round, will be nothing more than a "part-time 4th liner"...if Karlsson was taken as well for this position, I could see some serious squawking over that....fans would say "they did it again" or something like that. there's no guarantee that Moroz, Khaira or Chase will even ever make the Oilers, so really, we need size and talent on our top 2 lines, sure, but we STILL need to keep taking bottom liners with size as well....this team and it's system still needs these guys.

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#23 Serious Gord
December 30 2013, 11:08AM
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G-Unit wrote:

The problem is that of the 6 d-men on the roster only Schultz and Ference do one thing better than average. In stead of Belov and Larson I would take someone with a bit less skill, but tough as nails and mean. Time for our goal mouth to be an unwelcome environment to skate in. A little face wash or smack on the laces does more good than an ok break out pass vs an icing. Rubber boots(4) was a mediocre d-man at best, but he could get messy when needed and that is what this team needs.

Smid trade - Why? Someone please explain to me how a team with only 4 NHL defencemen can trade one away and get nothing in return. Don't tell me Bryz either, because they could have easily found another way. I also heard that when Smid arrived in Cowtown they were very unimpressed with his physical conditioning. Go Ironman.

When smid was traded rishaug mused that it might be a salary dump - that with the team unable to make it to the playoffs where Katz would get more revenue, Katz ordered Lowe/MacT to dump any salary overboard that wasn't part of the long range plans for the team. And that trading smid was the only piece that fit the bill.

Seems that that is much more likely the reason than when I first heard it. And if it's true it says a lot about where Katz' mind is versus the fan's. And it as highly disrespectful of those who are buying the tickets.

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#24 Czar
December 30 2013, 11:08AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Please, please let the BPA be a center with the lotto pick.

Please,please let our first round pick be part of a package for a the solid 2nd line center or first pairing D-man we need.

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#25 Spydyr
December 30 2013, 11:13AM
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Czar wrote:

Please,please let our first round pick be part of a package for a the solid 2nd line center or first pairing D-man we need.

Not for me. Unless the return is out of the world. Teams that trade lotto picks end up like the Islanders.

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#26 SlaveLake
December 30 2013, 11:13AM
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@Serious Gord

Seems to me the Smid trade was the ground work for another tank job. Proven NHL player traded for magic beans early in the season after an abysmal start ruins the season early. BPA, best pick available. Oilers are good at that.

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#27 Rama Lama
December 30 2013, 11:15AM
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I for one hope that Mac T and 6 Rings are listening to external forces, like Struds.

Good on you for stating your case about what the Oilers need.........sure a lot better than listening to Stauffer parroting everything management says. I'm going to give Mac T some time to assemble this team before I start criticizing him.........but I'm seriously intrigued by the reasoning of signing Ference and Larsen, by my eye the two smallest defencemen in the league???

Knowing your overall team is small, would you not be looking for some size and toughness on the back end?

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#28 Serious Gord
December 30 2013, 11:17AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Not for me. Unless the return is out of the world. Teams that trade lotto picks end up like the Islanders.

Well the oilers have followed your dictum and they are WORSE than the islanders.

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#29 VK63
December 30 2013, 11:18AM
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Draisaitl is big and strong but he could be a lot more physical with those tools. He kind of reminds me of young Jumbo Joe, tremendous disher of the puck but not really physically engaged.

He is a superb prospect to be sure and will intrigue many organizations with early first round picks.

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#30 albertaboy19
December 30 2013, 11:19AM
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VK63 wrote:

Draisaitl is big and strong but he could be a lot more physical with those tools. He kind of reminds me of young Jumbo Joe, tremendous disher of the puck but not really physically engaged.

He is a superb prospect to be sure and will intrigue many organizations with early first round picks.

Sven Bartsechi anyone? Seems like the same player when the Flames drafted him 5 years ago. No thanks, seems like a flash in the pan.

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#31 Czar
December 30 2013, 11:20AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Not for me. Unless the return is out of the world. Teams that trade lotto picks end up like the Islanders.

I'm tired of waiting for picks to develope or rushing kids into the line up, I think it's the bold move that could help us immediately.

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#32 Spydyr
December 30 2013, 11:22AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

Well the oilers have followed your dictum and they are WORSE than the islanders.

The problem is they built form wing out instead of defense, goal, center then wing. They got it bassackwards.

Now by the time the defence, goal and center(outside the Nuge) are ready the wingers will be well on in their careers.

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#33 They're $hittie
December 30 2013, 11:22AM
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K_Mart wrote:

I'd like him, but he's not even close to having Pronger potential. I'd still like to get him though. I think Nurse is better than Ekblad, despite the age difference. I'm not the only one either. Sutter messed up huge by not having him on the team.

Sorry with out picking on you specifically, why does he not have pronger potential. Is this your opinion. The way most people judge prospects are on gut feelings about them. Unless you watch his team day in and day out how do you judge an opinion on him.

I have heard scouts compare him to pronger. Professional amature Scouts that is my source.

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#34 G-Unit
December 30 2013, 11:24AM
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SlaveLake wrote:

Seems to me the Smid trade was the ground work for another tank job. Proven NHL player traded for magic beans early in the season after an abysmal start ruins the season early. BPA, best pick available. Oilers are good at that.

Typical. Let's tank for Reinhart? Wait a season and tank for MacDavid. That kids a player

Not intended to be a shot at Reinhart, because I love him as a player, but he isn't MacDavid

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#35 G-Unit
December 30 2013, 11:24AM
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SlaveLake wrote:

Seems to me the Smid trade was the ground work for another tank job. Proven NHL player traded for magic beans early in the season after an abysmal start ruins the season early. BPA, best pick available. Oilers are good at that.

Typical. Let's tank for Reinhart? Wait a season and tank for MacDavid. That kids a player

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#36 Spydyr
December 30 2013, 11:25AM
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Czar wrote:

I'm tired of waiting for picks to develope or rushing kids into the line up, I think it's the bold move that could help us immediately.

I know it sucks to keep losing ,trust me. I feel for the tier one fans.

The thing is this team is not going to challenge for at least three more years. So every move made now I would look at if the team is going to better in three years for it.

A quick fix is nice a Cup is better.

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#37 They're $hittie
December 30 2013, 11:25AM
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albertaboy19 wrote:

Sven Bartsechi anyone? Seems like the same player when the Flames drafted him 5 years ago. No thanks, seems like a flash in the pan.

HAHA,

I trash Sven all the time, but he was drafted in 2011, and is not very similar to Draisaitl other than being good hands and nor from a typical hockey country.

Go on flames nation and trash him. I know its trolling but they think he and monohan are the next Crosby, Malkin LOL

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#38 They're $hittie
December 30 2013, 11:26AM
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@Spydyr

Well the good news is BPA is Reinhart or if not a choice of Big Dmen, a few different big centers or a big winger. The main odd one out is nylander.

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#39 David S
December 30 2013, 11:31AM
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Czar wrote:

Please,please let our first round pick be part of a package for a the solid 2nd line center or first pairing D-man we need.

^ THIS

The Oilers need to go to the draft with a huge sign that says "Open for business". We've already got a crapload of young guys in the system. One more isn't going to help this team take the next step.

We're past the point of drafting our way to legitimacy. As we've seen so far, that isn't working. The job now is to start the real gritty part of the rebuild by trading high value picks, stripping non-performers and generally making the hard moves that'll add balance and support the young core.

Not sure about you guys but I'm sick of the endless draft talk and hoping/wishing the latest shiny new toy will somehow walk into the lineup and solve our problems. *cough* Yakupov *cough* It isn't going to happen.

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#40 They're $hittie
December 30 2013, 11:35AM
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For a deep 2013 draft class they arent looking to good in WJC right now.

Drouin who is suppose to dominate, does not seem to have that next level in an elite tourny when he is the guy to carry the team instead of being complimentarty, dont see him being elite. Maybe a bit better version of Skinner.

Bigras and Morrisey, pfft

Petan, offense wont translate to NHL

Gauthier, slow and doesnt use his size

And from 2012 dumba, this guy is overrated. And he will be the next overpaid wild!

Mantha looks great though and he is in a system that will make sure he is a great NHL player.

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#41 SlaveLake
December 30 2013, 11:37AM
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@Spydyr

13-14 D prospects

Gets a taste of NHL - Klefbom, Marincin 6-7 Defenseman - None Top four - None

14-15 D prospects

Gets a taste of NHL - Nurse, Simpson, Marincin 6-7 Defenseman - Klefbom Top four - None

15-16 D prospects

Gets a taste of NHL - Ekblad, ??? 6-7 Defensman - Klefbom, Marincin, Nurse Top four - Klefbom? Nurse?

Could be 16-17 season before the Oilers see Klefbom, Nurse, Marincin, Simpson, Ekblad? make any serious impact at the NHL level.

So until then the Oilers are counting on free agents and some crazy magic like Gernat turning into a top four defenseman tomorrow ?

That's painful

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#42 Johnnydapunk
December 30 2013, 11:38AM
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Serious Gord wrote:

When smid was traded rishaug mused that it might be a salary dump - that with the team unable to make it to the playoffs where Katz would get more revenue, Katz ordered Lowe/MacT to dump any salary overboard that wasn't part of the long range plans for the team. And that trading smid was the only piece that fit the bill.

Seems that that is much more likely the reason than when I first heard it. And if it's true it says a lot about where Katz' mind is versus the fan's. And it as highly disrespectful of those who are buying the tickets.

I could be off on this but looking at the Oil on capgeek, they are under the cap salary wise, but with bonuses they would be over, so perhaps there may be something true about Smid being a salary dump to make cap space.

I'm sure there are some bonuses that are unattainable of course, but maybe there was some projections regarding who would get bonuses and they may be closer to the cap than what appears.

Again it's all just speculation and until someone properly inside says something, everything is just hearsay.

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#43 dynamitesteve
December 30 2013, 11:41AM
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They're $hittie wrote:

HAHA,

I trash Sven all the time, but he was drafted in 2011, and is not very similar to Draisaitl other than being good hands and nor from a typical hockey country.

Go on flames nation and trash him. I know its trolling but they think he and monohan are the next Crosby, Malkin LOL

I think the original poster may have been thinking of Neideritter not Barteschi. Then I would agree with his statement.

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#44 Czar
December 30 2013, 11:42AM
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I know it sucks to keep losing ,trust me. I feel for the tier one fans.

The thing is this team is not going to challenge for at least three more years. So every move made now I would look at if the team is going to better in three years for it.

A quick fix is nice a Cup is better.

I don't think my liver can take another 3 years of this, Bold is needed sooner rather than later.

We need more guys right NOW who wear a mens extra large cup instead of a small.

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#45 Serious Gord
December 30 2013, 11:47AM
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I know it sucks to keep losing ,trust me. I feel for the tier one fans.

The thing is this team is not going to challenge for at least three more years. So every move made now I would look at if the team is going to better in three years for it.

A quick fix is nice a Cup is better.

Assuming your three year clock starts next year:

By the end of those three years hall will be in his last year before becoming an RFA. So the team will have just one year to contend AND win the cup before the serial RFA / cap room plague hits the team - each year for the next three one of the untouchables becomes an RFA.

So one year of competing for the cup before the teardown has to begin again.

That is pretty lousy reward for the last seven years of awfulness.

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#46 G-Unit
December 30 2013, 11:58AM
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I know it sucks to keep losing ,trust me. I feel for the tier one fans.

The thing is this team is not going to challenge for at least three more years. So every move made now I would look at if the team is going to better in three years for it.

A quick fix is nice a Cup is better.

I agree with not knee-jerk reacting to needs, but with a top end payroll, ticket prices through the roof and beer for your first born we should expect a quality product on the ice every game. Maybe not perennial cup contention, but an NHL team would be nice. Quick fix to competitive without dumping the future is possible. Somehow we have remained in front of Buffalo this season, maybe its the 20 million extra we pay for the 4 points.

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#47 HardBoiledOil
December 30 2013, 11:59AM
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They're $hittie wrote:

For a deep 2013 draft class they arent looking to good in WJC right now.

Drouin who is suppose to dominate, does not seem to have that next level in an elite tourny when he is the guy to carry the team instead of being complimentarty, dont see him being elite. Maybe a bit better version of Skinner.

Bigras and Morrisey, pfft

Petan, offense wont translate to NHL

Gauthier, slow and doesnt use his size

And from 2012 dumba, this guy is overrated. And he will be the next overpaid wild!

Mantha looks great though and he is in a system that will make sure he is a great NHL player.

you were saying?

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#48 Serious Gord
December 30 2013, 12:06PM
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Spydyr wrote:

I know it sucks to keep losing ,trust me. I feel for the tier one fans.

The thing is this team is not going to challenge for at least three more years. So every move made now I would look at if the team is going to better in three years for it.

A quick fix is nice a Cup is better.

And for the love of god and bobby Orr can we stop buying into the Klowe myth of tier one fans.

There are not nearly as many season tickets sold as most assume - combo packs are far more common and are a growing trend across pro sports.

Most season tickets are owned by businesses - big corps mostly who use them as a perk for clients and employees - the latter being a big part of what happens in EDM, CGY and WPG. So many - probably the majority - of seasons ticket seats are filled by what Klowe considers second tier fans.

The remainder are bought by well-heeled individuals - most of whom i am assuming are also expensing them - probably illegally. Many more split them with friends or family members. So the very few season ticket holders who actually spend their own after tax money and actually watch all forty-one games maybe make up less than five percent is the seats in rexall/Rogers - maybe even far less than that. And really, should those few be allowed to way the oilers tail like Klowe says he does?

So save your empathy for these very rare (and probably very financially secure) fans and give it to the hundreds of thousands who are the rank and file fans.

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#49 Tikkanese
December 30 2013, 12:12PM
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Czar wrote:

Please,please let our first round pick be part of a package for a the solid 2nd line center or first pairing D-man we need.

Neither! Let's hope for another soft scoring winger. Kill em with kindness? Ha

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#50 SlaveLake
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It's tough to envision the "quick fix".

2nd round pick given up for Perron this year? So trade 1st and 3rd pick for ... who ?

Free agency maybe sign another Gordon2.0, another Belov2.0 ?

Hope the kids being another year older make the difference... hmmm

Gregor says trade Yakupov. Lowetide says keep Yakupov... who knows.

It's tough to see what the fix is. If we trade the picks for "bold" moves then we essentially give up on a 2014 draft. Normally the teams that do this are in cup contention not basement dwellers.

It's actually quite interesting. If you ignore the lousy hockey that is.

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