Oilers demote two players, recall three

Jonathan Willis
December 04 2013 03:54PM

The Edmonton Oilers have announced via Twitter a number of roster moves. Recalled are defencemen Corey Potter and Martin Marincin, along with centre Anton Lander. Going to Oklahoma are Denis Grebeshkov and Will Acton.

The General Manager

Craig MacTavish took advantage of the Oilers' trip to Dallas this past weekend to take in some games in Oklahoma City, watching the Barons win on Saturday and then lose on Tuesday night. Corey Potter didn't play in those games, but Martin Marincin and Anton Lander both did and were given the opportunity to impress the G.M. in person.

Based on today's moves, it's fair to say they did. 

The Moves

Up front, the swap of Lander for Acton is fully deserved and has been al ong time coming. Lander perhaps isn't as physical as Acton, but he's a more rounded player at this point - both players offer the Oilers a fourth-line defensive specialist, but Lander's offensive game has come along nicely in the AHL this year and he's at the point where he's a true 200-foot player - in other words, a guy who can legitimately help the team at both ends of the ice as opposed to just in the defensive zone.

Or, to put it another way: Will Acton's best  AHL season saw him put up 19 points. Lander has 15 through 18 games this year. They aren't in the same ballpark offensively, and Lander's posted numbers while being dominant as a defensive forward.

On defence, the swap of Potter for Grebeshkov isn't a big shock either. Potter's been the better player when the two have played together in Oklahoma City; he plays a steadier defensive game than Grebeshkov and moves the puck almost as well.

The addition of Marincin is the only move I wonder about, but if the Oilers want another option on the left side he's more ready for NHL work than Oscar Klefbom or Brad Hunt. Marincin has played better of late, though, and particularly on offence. In October he played eight games, with eight shots, one assist and a minus-two rating; since then he's put up five points, 26 shots and a plus-six rating in 12 contests. 

These are reasonable moves. Two of the trades make the Oilers better right now, and the recall of Marincin rewards a guy on the NHL bubble who has made strides in his game of late. 

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Walter Sobchak
December 04 2013, 03:57PM
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This won't help.

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#2 Naky
December 04 2013, 06:02PM
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Love seeing all the armchair GMs calling for Gagner to be traded when he has an NTC. Yes, it's not official yet but it's a verbal agreement that the Oilers are going to uphold if they want any sort of respect within the NHLPA for holding to their word. Here's a hint: it was given for personal reasons that the Oilers empathized with and gave him the peace of mind. But since ya'll don't care about his life outside the rink due to the fact that hockey is the only thing that matters most in your lives, I can see that this is a hard thing to grasp.

Willis, can you make an article just about this fact? Make it once a day even? Maybe then it will get drilled into people's heads but I think I still have my doubts even then.

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#3 Craig1981
December 04 2013, 04:31PM
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@A-Mc

I think you have a great thought with Petry. Nothing would push a player to give more than a younger version taking his job for a bit.

I'm not sure Gagner is badly need of a "reset" I personally think he get unfairly singled out, such as the Nashville game when he got blamed for Petry's TERRIBLE coverage on the 2nd man by fans. If you look Gagner clearly had the 3rd man coming in.

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#4 Spoils
December 04 2013, 06:46PM
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It would be great if Nurse made the WJC and Klefbom was getting some NHL time, and Schultz wasn't struggling defensively...

It would be great if our D didn't just take the night off against Phoenix.

How about some trade ideas for BigD:

for example Del Zotto - 23yrs old, Rangers need O... for Gagner and a prospect of their choice do it?

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#5 Ryan
December 04 2013, 04:01PM
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Hopefully petry healthy scratch for a few games

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#6 Blucifer Copperballs
December 04 2013, 04:36PM
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We should get John Scott from Buffalo and make him play defence. He's as big as Chara, and hey, it worked for Byf in WPG.

Plus he's from EDM. ANd thats how Steve Staios got started at D.

P.S. i've started drinking and am now running at the mouth like a high school girl at her first party. Please dont hate me.

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#7 A-Mc
December 04 2013, 04:02PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

could we be running four rookies next year on d?

Nurse, Klefbom, Fedun and Marincin?

Personally I'd run those 4 now if i thought they could handle it and i could afford them proper ice time.

It wont hurt our season any!

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#8 Bucknuck
December 04 2013, 06:36PM
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6 ring circus wrote:

It's been 8 years since they made the playoffs,believe me they do not have a clue what they are doing or what the problems are.

I'm sure it's all very fashionable right now to blame everything on "them", but who exactly are you speaking about?

The new coach or the new GM? Because that is who I am writing about. The ones who aren't responsible for the past seven years. I consider them the ones who have the opportunity to turn this around and I am watching with interest.

How this team finishes the season matters to me.

We'll see.

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#9 Oilerz4life
December 04 2013, 06:18PM
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Naky wrote:

Love seeing all the armchair GMs calling for Gagner to be traded when he has an NTC. Yes, it's not official yet but it's a verbal agreement that the Oilers are going to uphold if they want any sort of respect within the NHLPA for holding to their word. Here's a hint: it was given for personal reasons that the Oilers empathized with and gave him the peace of mind. But since ya'll don't care about his life outside the rink due to the fact that hockey is the only thing that matters most in your lives, I can see that this is a hard thing to grasp.

Willis, can you make an article just about this fact? Make it once a day even? Maybe then it will get drilled into people's heads but I think I still have my doubts even then.

What's it like to be perfect pal? When you step down off of your high horse, you are welcome to join us ordinary people in the real world.

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#10 6 ring circus
December 04 2013, 06:23PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

They demoted the right three. and if they sit Gagner a game I will actually have a little faith that they have a clue where some of the problems are.

It's been 8 years since they made the playoffs,believe me they do not have a clue what they are doing or what the problems are.

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#11 Arius Mumin
December 04 2013, 07:05PM
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Ever since S.Gagner has been put on the roster: the Oilers have sucked.

The proof is in the pudding. He may not be the sum, but definitely the most commom denominator.

You must be out on a picnic if you believe that Gagner still has a future with the Oilers, please give up on the pipedream. The idea to have him moved to a wing is asinine. Would he be taking a spot or be a better option or an upgrade over Hall, Eberle, Yakupov, Perron, Hemsky? I doubt it. Is a 3rd line winger? Ninja Please!

*plush life visualized is like a coke rush: vivid enough to make living it a must.*

The whole of Oilers organization, top to bottom, lacks testicular fortitude. The management to pull off a bold move and the players to show any fight. The coach lacks a lot more things that there is no need to get into.

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#12 Silver Streak
December 04 2013, 05:40PM
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S cottV wrote:

Really be nice to bring in a veteran 1C and take some of the pressure off of RNH by dropping him to 2C. That would be worth Gagner - one of our high end small wingers and a draft pick - for sure.

Gagne absolutely must be moved this month...I believe his no trade kicks in at year end....he is and always has been a total wreck on the dot...way too soft...enough...move him anywhere for damn near anything.

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#13 Bloodsweatandoil
December 04 2013, 08:12PM
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Naky..get bent!

There are a lot of people like me on this site who have invested a tonne of money and interest in this team. Side agreement or not, his performance for which he gets paid for is non existent.

Injured or not, he and 4 other players currently on this roster do not make the team better, only worse. Gagner would be a bottom 6 roster player on every other NHL team in the league.

He has no trade value that will make the team better, he only has value to the Edmonton Oiler Fans like yourself that over value players like him.

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#14 Blucifer Copperballs
December 04 2013, 03:59PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

This won't help.

You don't think swapping Potter for Grebs is an upgrade?

It is.

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#15 tileguy
December 04 2013, 04:03PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

This won't help.

Absolutely. Where's the beef?

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#16 Walter Sobchak
December 04 2013, 04:12PM
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Blucifer Copperballs wrote:

You don't think swapping Potter for Grebs is an upgrade?

It is.

That's not the point.

On any other NHL team these guys are injury replacements at best.

However, this is the Oilers.

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#17 Copper
December 04 2013, 05:34PM
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A-Mc wrote:

Nurse, Klefbom, Fedun and Marincin?

Personally I'd run those 4 now if i thought they could handle it and i could afford them proper ice time.

It wont hurt our season any!

Wishful thinking. Nurse couldn't make world junior team. Needs another full year of juniors and 1 or more in AHL. Kelfbom should play this entire year and maybe next in the "A" too. Let them develop. We'll have to suffer with what we have or add UFA's

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#18 Bucknuck
December 04 2013, 06:14PM
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They demoted the right three. and if they sit Gagner a game I will actually have a little faith that they have a clue where some of the problems are.

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#19 Oilerz4life
December 04 2013, 06:24PM
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^Throwing Gagner in on a trade to bring something of value back in return, before a ntc kicks in, might not be a bad idea. Not to concerned about Gags personal reasons, its a pro sports team (apparently) and the first concern should be the good of the team, within reason.

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#20 Greg the Hammer Valentine
December 04 2013, 07:29PM
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@Arius Mumin

Like him or not, Gagner is not the main problem of this team. He is way down the list of things we need to change. Front office, coaching staff, goaltending, the first pair of defense all need a major overhaul.

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#21 6 ring circus
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Bucknuck wrote:

I'm sure it's all very fashionable right now to blame everything on "them", but who exactly are you speaking about?

The new coach or the new GM? Because that is who I am writing about. The ones who aren't responsible for the past seven years. I consider them the ones who have the opportunity to turn this around and I am watching with interest.

How this team finishes the season matters to me.

We'll see.

I blame Katz for doing absolutely nothing,Lowe for hiring Tambellini then Tambellini hiring and Firing Quinn,Renney,Kruger ,Tambellini also fired the previous trainers because he thought they were the problem. I also blame Lowe for hiring Mactavish and Howson for a second time around after no one else in the NHL wanted either one of them or offered them a job. I blame Mactavish for firing Kruger, when he said that Kruger was not the problem ,then he decides to hire Eakins a rookie coach who had zero NHL experience and he came in here like he won the Jack Adams trophy the past 5 years in a row,how did that remodel of the Oilers dressing room work out for Eakins anyways? I blame the Professional scouting staff for doing a brutal job in finding us any hidden talent and I also blame the amateur scouting staff outside of picking the first overall picks what else has Macgregor and his scouts drafted after the first round that will turn into a legit NHL player? That's who I blame,whoever was responsible for putting this so called team together and lets not preach patience because I see other teams turn there rebuilds around in 2 years not 8 years plus,the Oilers will finish the season just liked they started it,nobody's going to wave a magic wand (or his six rings) and make things better, the organization is a gong show!!!!

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#22 onlyoil
December 04 2013, 08:35PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

could we be running four rookies next year on d?

Hello Connor McDavid

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#23 They're $hittie
December 04 2013, 03:59PM
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could we be running four rookies next year on d?

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#24 Rod from Viking
December 04 2013, 06:27PM
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Naky wrote:

Love seeing all the armchair GMs calling for Gagner to be traded when he has an NTC. Yes, it's not official yet but it's a verbal agreement that the Oilers are going to uphold if they want any sort of respect within the NHLPA for holding to their word. Here's a hint: it was given for personal reasons that the Oilers empathized with and gave him the peace of mind. But since ya'll don't care about his life outside the rink due to the fact that hockey is the only thing that matters most in your lives, I can see that this is a hard thing to grasp.

Willis, can you make an article just about this fact? Make it once a day even? Maybe then it will get drilled into people's heads but I think I still have my doubts even then.

Gagner needs to be moved to the wing and somehow get a bigger centre that has some two way game(Schenn, Couturier)and this would mean trading a Hall or Eberle or a lesser player and their #1 pick and a prospect. Gagner is going nowhere unless he asks for it which could be the case if things don't change, do this and a solid shut down D that will drop the gloves and get Bryz back and this team could go better than .500 the rest of the way.

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#25 CMG30
December 04 2013, 06:57PM
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This team has so many individual pieces that it staggers the mind to find them where they are.

Thinking about it, it's obvious that this team still needs to make a lot of little baby steps and at least one big stride forward.

Moving/trading Gagner falls into the category of baby steps; as does tinkering with the system. The only way this team makes a big stride forward is when they finally bring in a top paring defenseman (or two).

Unfortunately, that will almost impossible until trade deadline day and even then difficult.

I've seen MacT bring in Perron and Ferance along with shipping out Horcoff (not that I actually had a problem with Horc. He was just getting paid #1 money when he was a #2). So I still have faith that he can get it done.

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#26 Kypreos
December 04 2013, 08:05PM
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You what really ticks me off is that Calgary is likely ahead of our rebuild.....

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#27 ???
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So, basically, the Oil sent one true competitor (Acton) and one piece of Garbagekov to the AHL, and brought up three Dafodils!WOW!!!!!!!!! Maincin and Potter are big but both avoid contact or confrontation at any cost! Lander is as big as an elementary student - a giant compared to Arcobello - I get it- more SIZE at center. All are very soft perimeter players so they should fit i perfectly!

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#28 A-Mc
December 04 2013, 03:57PM
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OH sweet, Lander is back. Good luck Kid!

My guess is Jeff Petry sits out and Marincin slides in. Obviously Lander takes Will Actons spot, and with any luck Arco plays in Gagner's spot.

Sitting: Petry and Gagner.

Looks good to me!

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#29 Dobbler
December 04 2013, 03:58PM
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Good move.

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#30 Bishai in the Benches
December 04 2013, 04:16PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

could we be running four rookies next year on d?

Seems kind of like a recipe for disaster to me. But hey, this is the Oilers we're talking about. Who cares about defenseman development!?! Sign me up for 3 more years of rebuild.

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#31 Druds
December 04 2013, 04:27PM
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Why cannot some team hire Mad Mike Keenan for their GM? Mike traded us Cujo and the Human rake for absolutely nothing....we need to make that kind of deal again....

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#32 A-Mc
December 04 2013, 04:39PM
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pkam wrote:

If we ice those 4 rookie defensemen for the rest of the year, you can be sure we will get Ekblad this year.

And we can ice 2 more rookie defensemen next year in Nurse and Ekland so we will get McDavid next year.

Look like you are suggesting to start another rebuild.

If you aren't going to make the playoffs, play bad for Ekblad!

=D

Might as well get something for sucking.. The worst possible scenario is to end up like calgary does most years: Not sucking enough to get a good pick but not good enough to actually make the playoffs. ie: No mans land.

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#33 Young Oil
December 04 2013, 06:58PM
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Spoils wrote:

It would be great if Nurse made the WJC and Klefbom was getting some NHL time, and Schultz wasn't struggling defensively...

It would be great if our D didn't just take the night off against Phoenix.

How about some trade ideas for BigD:

for example Del Zotto - 23yrs old, Rangers need O... for Gagner and a prospect of their choice do it?

I'd target Kulikov if Gagner is being dealt for a Dman. He is already being shopped heavily as per TSN:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=438137

Arcobello's incredible play this season has really brought Gagner's shortcomings to the forefront.

Plus, rumors are they would target Draisaitl with the first round pick, which puts Gagner even more on the outside. We should deal him before his no trade clause officially kicks in.

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#34 Oilerz4life
December 04 2013, 07:07PM
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D-Unit wrote:

Since you seem to be all knowing about Gagner, with the "hand shake" no trade for season 1, and the actual no trade only valid for the second season, why isn't it in the 3rd year? Why wouldn't he want it then? I am not big on Gagner, and even if he was traded, the Oilers wouldn't get back any value on him. Maybe a throw in on a deal, but not many teams seem to want a smaller 2C with 7 years in the league, that don't know the defensive side of the game. IMO move him to the wing and find a real 2C.

Sounds reasonable, have a bad feeling about that ntc though, its got a sort of Horcoff like feel to it.

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#35 Freewheeling Freddie
December 04 2013, 07:22PM
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Why does Corey Potter wear #44?He should wear 00that would be more like it. Is'nt Sam marrying a local girl? Now Sam about that 4.8million dollars a year. could you possibly maybe score a goal or two.

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#36 They're $hittie
December 04 2013, 03:59PM
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Ding dong acton is gone.

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#37 Walter Sobchak
December 04 2013, 04:21PM
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Blucifer Copperballs wrote:

Fair enough, but this is the Oilers. Almost the whole team plays above where they would on any other NHL team, so that like comparing apples to oranges.

No WAY Petry plays as a top Dman anywhere else. Even Ference is a 3-4 guy, has been all his career, but not here. Everyone is asked to play tougher minutes than they should. And God forbid you have 2 good games winning your 3rd line matchup, then its time to put Ryan Jones on the first line, get blown up, and sent back down to OKC. What other team does that.

This season more than ever, its important for me tostay in the Oilers fishbowl, and try to find the silver linings.

I mean, for crying out loud, i have season tickets.

Your speaking to the choir my boy.

Last year for tickets myself.

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#38 Oilerz4life
December 04 2013, 04:23PM
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I disagree with this move entirely, Grebeshkov still has plenty of talent, for the KHL. He should not be on the next flight to Oklahoma, he should be on the next connector that will get him back to Russia!

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#39 Johnnydapunk
December 04 2013, 04:24PM
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Does that mean the Bryz is on the IR now ? I remember that he wasn't previously and was taking up a roster spot as a result, meaning the Oil had one less skater than usual because of having 3 goalies up.

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#40 A-Mc
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

Does that mean the Bryz is on the IR now ? I remember that he wasn't previously and was taking up a roster spot as a result, meaning the Oil had one less skater than usual because of having 3 goalies up.

Yes. The tweet went out that Bryz is now on IR

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#41 Craig1981
December 04 2013, 04:38PM
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Druds wrote:

Why cannot some team hire Mad Mike Keenan for their GM? Mike traded us Cujo and the Human rake for absolutely nothing....we need to make that kind of deal again....

I wonder about Goalies. Miller is free (I know he most likely won't come to Edmonton but he is there for other teams). Anaheim has Anderson/Faths so Hiller might be free. Scrivens, Harding, Reimer, Mazanec. Are all top 10 in Save% but backups that (besides Harding) have goalies in front of them that aren't going to let them start anytime soon.

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#42 S cottV
December 04 2013, 05:29PM
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Wintoon wrote:

Gagner is not playing at anywhere near the 2C level. He can't win a face off, can't play defensively, can't play along the boards and allows the play to die on his stick far too often. If he sits and is replaced by Arcobello it will be very interesting to see what happens. Good to see that Lander appears to have earned a shot.

Really be nice to bring in a veteran 1C and take some of the pressure off of RNH by dropping him to 2C. That would be worth Gagner - one of our high end small wingers and a draft pick - for sure.

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#43 D-Unit
December 04 2013, 06:52PM
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Naky wrote:

Love seeing all the armchair GMs calling for Gagner to be traded when he has an NTC. Yes, it's not official yet but it's a verbal agreement that the Oilers are going to uphold if they want any sort of respect within the NHLPA for holding to their word. Here's a hint: it was given for personal reasons that the Oilers empathized with and gave him the peace of mind. But since ya'll don't care about his life outside the rink due to the fact that hockey is the only thing that matters most in your lives, I can see that this is a hard thing to grasp.

Willis, can you make an article just about this fact? Make it once a day even? Maybe then it will get drilled into people's heads but I think I still have my doubts even then.

Since you seem to be all knowing about Gagner, with the "hand shake" no trade for season 1, and the actual no trade only valid for the second season, why isn't it in the 3rd year? Why wouldn't he want it then? I am not big on Gagner, and even if he was traded, the Oilers wouldn't get back any value on him. Maybe a throw in on a deal, but not many teams seem to want a smaller 2C with 7 years in the league, that don't know the defensive side of the game. IMO move him to the wing and find a real 2C.

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#44 Ed in Edmonton
December 04 2013, 07:23PM
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We can only dream about a Gagner trade, but at $4.8 million a year, he is untradeable. Sitting him tomorrow night would send a strong message.

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#45 Alsker
December 04 2013, 08:37PM
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Kypreos wrote:

You what really ticks me off is that Calgary is likely ahead of our rebuild.....

That's because we're still in the destruct and observe mode, rebuild doesn't start til management gets rebuilt.

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#46 Quicksilver ballet
December 04 2013, 08:50PM
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They can continue to move the deck chairs around all they like. Till they have two top pairing blue liners, and a second line center, the less than acceptable results will continue to be the same.

Management sits by and does nothing as the players in the dressing room take the fall for the blatant holes on the roster on this hockey club.

Feel bad for these kids, having to come into this laughing stock organization. One thing is certain, the players are outperforming the coaching and management of this hockey club. The acceptable intended underachievement starts at the top.

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#47 Serious Gord
December 04 2013, 09:08PM
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If that's what qualifies as a "Shake up", this team (and the media that follows it) truly has lost its way.

Talk about underwhelming.

At least one nepotistic adventure has been abandoned...

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#48 Walter Sobchak
December 04 2013, 09:24PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

They can continue to move the deck chairs around all they like. Till they have two top pairing blue liners, and a second line center, the less than acceptable results will continue to be the same.

Management sits by and does nothing as the players in the dressing room take the fall for the blatant holes on the roster on this hockey club.

Feel bad for these kids, having to come into this laughing stock organization. One thing is certain, the players are outperforming the coaching and management of this hockey club. The acceptable intended underachievement starts at the top.

^ This all the way.

Bold moves my ass.

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#49 Oiler Al
December 04 2013, 09:58PM
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This rebuild is pretty much a train wreck!Why, because the operation broke the cardinal rule: "build your team from the backend out and at the center position, fill in the rest.

If anyone thinks this rhetorical or a bunch of hooey,,, well look at the goals against on this team.. the worst in the NHL.

After a 3-4 year rebuild... still don't have a NHL goalie, still don't have a 1-2 NHL D men., still don't have a genuine season center man,

And you know what, none of these deficiencies are in sight, at least not in the immediate future.

Even the young all-stars are leaving question marks all over the ice.... with their press clippings and big contracts, starting to take on a smell.

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#50 tileguy
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Rather they announced a trade.

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