DANCE THE MESS AROUND

Lowetide
December 07 2013 09:04AM

Taylor Hall has not played at his usual levels this season, but has been turning it on in the last 10 games (5-7-12, +1 in that time). For the first time since summer, there are rumblings about his chances to make the Canadian Olympic team. He makes my team all day, for the single reason that he's a human chance machine, but does he have a realistic chance?

CENTER AND INJURIES

This has been a weird start for Hall in 2013-14, he was a center early and then the injury against Ottawa sent him sideways (and he may not be back completely from that injury, although he certainly looked like he was able to wheel against Colorado on Thursday night) and helped doom the Oilers for this year.

  • Hall in October: 9, 3-5-8 -6
  • Hall in November: 11, 4-7-11 -2
  • Hall in December: 3, 3-2-5 +1

He's heading in a good direction, and the boxcars are always good to great with this guy. Let's compare Hall's numbers—in a season we can all agree has seen some struggles—to other candidates for LW on Canada's Olympic team:

  1. Taylor Hall, 23, 10-14-24 (1.04)
  2. Chris Kunitz 30, 16-14-30 (1.00)
  3. Logan Couture 29, 10-17-27 (.931)
  4. Jamie Benn 27, 7-18-25 (.926)
  5. Matt DuChene 24, 12-9-21 (.875)
  6. Patrick Sharp 31, 11-13-24 (.774)

Now, we know there will be center's moving over and that offense isn't the only thing, but Hall's "uneven" season seems to stack up nicely with the other candidates and he's so good on NHL ice the mind boggles about what he could do with skill on the big ice.

RUFF'S TRUTHS

If you put a racehorse beside a plough horse and ask them to till the fields all day, perhaps other men were meant to lead national teams. However, there's no denying Hall did struggle under Ruff's guidance this past spring and we've seen him fly the zone with frequency as an Oiler this season.

If Hall doesn't make the team because he hasn't been eating his vegetables, I think there's an argument there that suggests that Hall is not the best role player for the team (a player like Sharp is a better fit with a wider range).

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

I'd suggest that Hall's natural fit—on the skill lines with the skill players—will end up going to Kunitz, or Couture or Benn. There are a lot of things in play aside from natural ability, including legit concerns about overall skills and inconsistency this season, and we'd be naive to think politics doesn't enter into the equation.

For me, Hall makes the team without a throw. In the real world of hockey decision making, I suspect he's on the outside looking in. Fair? No.

Taylor Hall is worthy of Olympic selection. It's too easy for the men in suits to say "next time" and dance the mess around.

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#1 I am the Liquor
December 07 2013, 09:21AM
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No.

And do you still think the Oilers are going to make the playoffs?

If so, what year?

Great song btw!

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#2 Brody
December 07 2013, 09:47AM
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Hall doesn't make it based solely because he turns pucks over and still tries toe drags.

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#3 Smokey
December 07 2013, 11:07AM
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Virtually a PPG player this year, and the 7th leading left winger in scoring because of injury. You could slot him top 10-15 in scoring if it wasn't for the injury. Only like 12 PPG players in the league with Hall and Penner just outside.

Amazing considering he has not played particular well or consistently this year as shown by his Corsi numbers.

I know he won't make Team Canada unless for an injury or as a tag along player, but he should be in the conversation. Ruff made him play a 4th line role a the World Championships to see if he could play that role, cause he definitely won't be a top 6. I think Hall could play that role and be effective. His blazing speed on the big ice would be something to behold, and I hope he forces his way on to the Team. Last week I would of laughed myself off the site for such a suggestion.

David Perron should get a look to for Team Canada too. I am not looking through Oiler goggles. I think Kadri and Penner with all their warts deserve consideration. Especially Penner who I think should ride Getzlaf and Perry's coattails.

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#4 Jason
December 07 2013, 10:25AM
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Taylor Hall does not play a 200 ft game. He has not learned to play 2-way game.

Against the best in the world he is a liability. That is why he is on the outside.

This team is full of speed and scoring.

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#5 oilbaron
December 07 2013, 09:15AM
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I don't think Hall makes it because of poor valuation of his skill set. He'll get overlooked just like Nurse and the Oilers will be denied again.

However... I think his D game is really coming around... look at Thursday's game. If he keeps stripping the other team of the puck and causing turnovers its just a matter of time before he's up their at the top of the league. Hall is the tits

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#6 Old Man
December 07 2013, 09:47AM
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Hall makes it, if not for the plus/minus!! Fact is fact, offensively he is the best of the bunch. Sharp, Kunitz, Couture all have more mature and defensively sound line mates right now. What would Halls +/- be if he skated next to Crosby? Then there would be no debate, but luck has it in for Kunitz. So lucky you got traded to Pittsburg Chris. Olympian with the Ducks NO, with the Pens YES. By default only.

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#7 Brad
December 07 2013, 11:00AM
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Time Travelling Sean wrote:

Isn't Lowe on the Canadian scouting/selection committee? Can't he make himself useful for this at least?

Only way Lowe can make himself useful is to resign.

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#8 Smokey
December 07 2013, 11:57AM
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Jerry wrote:

NO

YES

If Hall and Perron move into top 30 in scoring there in the discussion. If Hall say puts up say 35 points in the 30 games before Christmas and this team is .500 for that stretch of games he`s on the list. Perron would have to go on a torrid pace, which I don`t think happens.

So we are going to take guys like Kunitz who lets be honest should not be there, Eric and Jordan Stall who are doing nothing.

I'd have Hall as a extra, Penner been every bit the catalyst in Anaheim as Getzlaf, Perry. That`s one hell of a line.

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#9 BC BOY
December 07 2013, 12:26PM
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And it still baffles me how people think eberle is better then hall. Its not really even that close right?

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#10 John
December 07 2013, 10:17AM
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Hall and this team is starting to trend in the direction we hoped they would at the beginning of the season but Dallas had to spend the first month getting those bad defensive habits that Kreoger and Renny had ingrained in them out of their games . They are still learning how to play the game correctly but each game you can see a little progress. I am starting to get excited about our the rest of the season although the playoffs are out of the question.

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#11 oilbaron
December 07 2013, 09:23AM
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Next year for sure lol

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#12 Rama Lama
December 07 2013, 11:35AM
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With humans one thing you can always expect is people always make decisions that other people will not agree with.

I too would select Hall as a "no-brainer"..........on that note I would select Perron as well.......that guy is amazing!!

There are too many good players that will never get a chance to play in the Olympics.......but that says a lot about how good our game is in Canada.

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#13 Peter
December 07 2013, 02:12PM
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PutzStew wrote:

Oh alright. Just because I feel like it….

If you are arguing that Hall should get on the Oly team because of his points/Game well you also need to argue that Steen, Giodano, and Neal should be on the team as well. In Neal case he would be ahead of Hall on the LW. In other words it is a bad argument.

Kunitz deserves far more respect then he is being given. He play pretty good while Sid was out with concussions. Their is a chemistry there and and I would be very disappointed to see that broken up. Seeing him not on the team would be a big disappointment.

And finally the reality. Hall is a one dimensional and immature player. He will be give thought but in the end he won't make it.

All offense and no substance.

You come on here always writing like you are smarter than others, but the fact you don't know that Steen is playing for team Sweden shows how little you actually know.

Neal is the most one-dimensional player of all you mentioned, yet you are oblivious to that and once again your lack of hockey IQ shows up.

Neal is a shooter, and not much else.

Giordano has played 10 games this year and you think that puts him in same boat as Hall? Again idiotic.

Giordano wasn't a 2nd team all-star last year, and he has never been regarded as an elite defender, while Hall has been looked at and ranked as an elite left winger.

You can hate on Hall all you like, but stop pretending you know hockey. Your posts clearly suggest you don't.

You are embarrassing yourself.

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#14 Time Travelling Sean
December 07 2013, 10:18AM
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Isn't Lowe on the Canadian scouting/selection committee? Can't he make himself useful for this at least?

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#15 CMG30
December 07 2013, 10:19AM
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Hall is on the bubble. Ideally he should make it but I think in the real world he falls short. If he is to make the team I think that he needs to be 'clearly superior' than than his competition rather that just 'slightly better' to have a chance. If he doesn't make it and team Canada falls short fingers need to be pointed.

A nagging issue that has always bugged me is how players playing in the East, especially in big markets, tend to get over-valued whereas players out West tend to get under-valued.

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#16 Dq
December 07 2013, 10:31AM
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I love Hallsy, but he's got 2 or 3 turnovers per game to get rid of before he's in the mix. TO's just don't happen much at all at that level ... And when they do its often the difference in the game. 0 margin for error ... So you simply can't have a guy that consistently coughs the puck up a handful of times a game ..

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#17 Smokey
December 07 2013, 12:55PM
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If anything I am new to the English language. I need an intro to spell check.

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#18 PutzStew
December 07 2013, 01:21PM
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Oh alright. Just because I feel like it….

If you are arguing that Hall should get on the Oly team because of his points/Game well you also need to argue that Steen, Giodano, and Neal should be on the team as well. In Neal case he would be ahead of Hall on the LW. In other words it is a bad argument.

Kunitz deserves far more respect then he is being given. He play pretty good while Sid was out with concussions. Their is a chemistry there and and I would be very disappointed to see that broken up. Seeing him not on the team would be a big disappointment.

And finally the reality. Hall is a one dimensional and immature player. He will be give thought but in the end he won't make it.

All offense and no substance.

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#19 FlamesRule
December 07 2013, 01:40PM
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@PutzStew

Gio should be on the team!

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#20 michael
December 07 2013, 10:40AM
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As much as my heat says yes to Hall my head says NO. I want desperately to watch Hall and Eberle on the OLY team but both area not yet ready for this primetime stage.

Reasons WHY. The ability to play away from the puck. Hall and Eberle still need to make some strides in the defensive zone and when they do not have the puck in the offensive zone. Your not laying against teams loaded with players with suspect resumes and rookie NHLers. Your playing against the best of the best. Season vets and coaches with resumes that read like a whos who of the coaching fraternity. The pressure to perform on this stage is enormous and Hall has not has his mettle tested enough at this level to ensure a predictable performance. For example we know hat we expect from a Sidney Crosby.

Hall needs to be challenged that is to be certain. I think he is just scratching the surface of what will be a brilliant career. But he needs to be the guy like he was the other night against Colorado. That passion seems to come out in him when he is fueled and driven by passion. What he needs to find in an 84 game season is a balance where he can bring that game night in night out without burning the candle at both ends.

Hall is close but imo not yet ready for the OLY stage. His taste of the OLY camp was nice. He and Eberle will continue to grow. And one day not to far from now he and Eberle will join the likes of Crosby and Teows in representing Canada on the world stage. Till then Hall and Eberle need to content themselves with being the best they can be as Edmonton Oilers.

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#21 sizedoesmatter
December 07 2013, 11:57AM
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Just watched a replay of the game tying goal by Eberle from the 2007 world junior game. Would be nice to have Hall and Ebs there

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#23 15w40
December 07 2013, 11:14AM
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Hall would have to be on the plus side in +/-, be top ten in scoring for the league and the Oilers solidly in a playoff race for him to even get a sniff.

The Oilers have been doormats for the past umpteen years and as such their players are not regarded that highly.

If Hall was on San Jose or Detroit where he has a veteran supporting cast he would likely get a little more of a look because his team would be successful.

In 4 more years its not entirely unlikely to envision the entire line of 4-93-14 going to the Olympics as a unit if they really buckle down and commit themselves to playing at both ends of the ice.

The fact that they are not huge doesn't matter as in the Olympics its pretty wide open and more about puck possession than wearing the other teams down over a 7 game series.

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#24 BC BOY
December 07 2013, 12:20PM
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why Lindy Ruff made the coaching staff over Joel Quenneville is beyond me

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#25 Jerry
December 07 2013, 12:27PM
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@Smokey

Your new to hockey. This where I say excellent question but the real meaning is are you kidding me!

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#26 Smokey
December 07 2013, 12:50PM
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Jerry wrote:

Your new to hockey. This where I say excellent question but the real meaning is are you kidding me!

Us two newbies can hang out. Was looking for a friend...

Got an argument other then saying I am looking through Oiler glasses...come on...lets here it. I`m a new hockey fan since 79`and I played competitive hockey growing up. So unless you been a fan since the 40`s, spare me.

Look at Perron`s effective two way prowess, and his compete. Oh yeah nearly a PPG player. Sorry to drop a little truthbomb on ya.

The argument on Hall is simple. Top 3 left wingers in hockey, even in a down year. The knock is turnovers. He is in the conversation period. I never said he`s a lock. I`ll do that in a month.

If Giroux and Stall were considered locks in the off season (maybe not know)I think Hall is in the conversation.

Dustin Penner doesn`t stand a snowball chance in hell, but frankly that trio in Anaheim is Sochi`s version of the Sharks trio in Vancouver.

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#27 westcoastoil
December 07 2013, 12:55PM
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Hall may significantly benefit from the bump in the cutoff date to Jan. 7th. After tonight's game he has realistically 13 games to make a case for himself - most of those against good teams. Irrespective of how the Oilers fare in those contests, if he plays the complete game he is capable of then he still has a chance to force his way onto the roster. Little things like Ferraro mentioned - giving the puck away and trusting he'll get it back to give himself an extra 1/2 step and make the D think.

Right now it's clear he's a bubble player on the outside looking in. He'll have to really play well to bump Kunitz. Sid's buddy and the whole chemistry thing in a short tourney. In his favour though Yzerman and co. seem to still remember that they got their lunch handed to them the last time it was on the large ice because they didn't have enough guys that could wheel.

If he can get himself there: On the big ice I say good luck to the Dman trying not to get beat wide as he flies up the ice.

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#28 Peter
December 07 2013, 03:40PM
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@PutzStew

Not every player needs a 200 foot game. No one talked about Perry being a 200 foot player when he made 2010 team.

Hall doesn't have to be Crosby or Toews. They are centres and have more responsibility.

Hall has been used in PK this year, and go look at his numbers...He isn't on the ice for many PK goals.

Hall can change game with his speed. He can back off D-men and on the big ice his speed would be a huge advantage.

He has weaknesses in his game, as do many of the guys vying to make the team. Hall will learn to be better just by playing with them.

Lemieux was one-dimensional player until the played with Gretz at the 1987 Canada Cup. Lemieux credits Gretzky for making him better.

If Hall gets on the squad he could benefit a lot from playing with Toews or Crosby...You think Kunitz was this good prior to Crosby? Not close.

Hall has less than 200 NHL games, and he's already dominated in many of them. Not many bubble guys possess his speed or skill. He has one month to impress team Canada's brass...He isn't nearly as bad as you suggest.

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#29 madjam
December 07 2013, 05:30PM
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STATS ARE DECEIVING AS MOST OF OUR POINTS ARE COMMING FROM PLAYING NON PLAYOFF TEAMS FOR A WHILE NOW . HOW THEY FAIR AGAINST TOP COMPETITION IS HOW THEY WILL BE EVALUATED . EBERLE , HALL AND PERRON WOULD HAVE TO GO ON QUITE A TEAR TO BE CONSIDERED OVER NEXT TWO MONTHS . INJURIES COULD OPEN UP A SPOT FOR THEM , HOWEVER .

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#30 michael
December 07 2013, 10:56AM
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Lowetide. Was Messier's first appearance for Canada the 1984 World Cup of Hockey? Wasn't he 23 at the time? Did he play in the WHC's before then? What I am trying to say is that the maturity factor in Messier's game at that point in his career was a key factor in selection to Canada's World Cup team. At that point in his career Messier had become a more rounded player. The fact that he was a beast on the ice was in fact due to Messier's ability to shut down any opponent. His defensive game complimented his offensive game.

My thought is that Hall is not yet at that same stage in his career.Soon

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#31 fat man in a little shirt
December 07 2013, 11:01AM
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In all reality the best thing for Hall and Eberle (and the Oilers) is to be left off the Olympic roster. They both need to get that anger and frustration in their guts and have start boiling over in the locker room and onto the ice. The drive to show everyone they were wrong about them.

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#32 Jerry
December 07 2013, 11:12AM
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@Smokey

NO

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#33 Smokey
December 07 2013, 11:59AM
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I meant 30 games before Sochi, my bad. 30 games before Christmas would be insane.

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#34 Smokey
December 07 2013, 01:54PM
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PutzStew wrote:

Oh alright. Just because I feel like it….

If you are arguing that Hall should get on the Oly team because of his points/Game well you also need to argue that Steen, Giodano, and Neal should be on the team as well. In Neal case he would be ahead of Hall on the LW. In other words it is a bad argument.

Kunitz deserves far more respect then he is being given. He play pretty good while Sid was out with concussions. Their is a chemistry there and and I would be very disappointed to see that broken up. Seeing him not on the team would be a big disappointment.

And finally the reality. Hall is a one dimensional and immature player. He will be give thought but in the end he won't make it.

All offense and no substance.

I never thought of making a case for Neal, Steen, Giordano. I`ll work on that. Fair comment.

There are those making a case for Neal as well. Steen I think gets beat out by Lucic. I actually forgot Steen was Canadian, his poppa was a swifty swede.

PPG is not everything. Hall competes as hard as any player in the league. He is driven, and a leader, and can play championship hockey. I think he`s a winner, just scratching his surface of his potential. He is in exactly the same place Stamkos was four years ago.

The knock on Hall is he is not a 200 foot player. He turns over pucks. Hall does not make it cause the only spot that really available is the fourth line, and he simply does not beat out anyone in the top 6. Your fourth line you want something like Richards, Stall, Lucic. Big guys who can bang.

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#35 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
December 07 2013, 02:14PM
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LT...you nailed it with the fact that there are better role playes like Patrick Sharp. Taylor Halls skill set is equaled or bettered by many of the two way super star players on the team.

Having said that....I think that there's a better than 50/50 chance that the complete line of RNH, Hall, and Ebbs play as a line in the next Winter Olympics.

Would that be a wild or what?.......especially if Nurse was there with them!

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#36 PutzStew
December 07 2013, 02:35PM
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Peter wrote:

You come on here always writing like you are smarter than others, but the fact you don't know that Steen is playing for team Sweden shows how little you actually know.

Neal is the most one-dimensional player of all you mentioned, yet you are oblivious to that and once again your lack of hockey IQ shows up.

Neal is a shooter, and not much else.

Giordano has played 10 games this year and you think that puts him in same boat as Hall? Again idiotic.

Giordano wasn't a 2nd team all-star last year, and he has never been regarded as an elite defender, while Hall has been looked at and ranked as an elite left winger.

You can hate on Hall all you like, but stop pretending you know hockey. Your posts clearly suggest you don't.

You are embarrassing yourself.

I actually just looked up Steen because it didn't seem right that he would play for Canada and yes as you pointed out he has played for team Sweden which would make him ineligible to play for team Canada.

And yes as you pointed out Neal is one dimensional….just as is Hall. But if you are looking at potential Team Canada LW solely based on merit of PPG, as Lowetide did in his article then you would have to mention Neal ahead of Hall, because as NHL.com points out, Neal is ahead of Hall in the department.

As for Giodano, see the bit above about PPG Merrit. No I don't think he should be considered for the team either.

I'm not hating on Hall either. He is good and has amazing potential but if he was elite then he would have a 200 ft game. Until then he will be a good to great player but he is far from a Crosby, Toews, Stamkos, ETC.

Of course since I am embarrassing myself please take the time to humor us with explanation of how a elite, complete hockey player makes so many turn overs, is caught regular leaving the zone early or for that matter has no 200 foot game????

We await you response.

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#37 Smokey
December 07 2013, 03:37PM
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Spydyr wrote:

A few days ago your said you were looking forward to watching Nurse play top pairing minutes at the WJC .I mentioned he was playing third pairing minutes for the OHL in the Russia series and I could not see him playing first pairing minutes for Canada.

He never even made the list for the team.

Now it is Hall and Perron on the Olympic team?

It appears as you wear Oiler colour glasses.

Hall is a defensive liability especially at the blue lines.As much as I love Perron's game there are just to many better, bigger, stronger and faster players to choose from.

Nurse would be the second leading point producing dman for the WJT. Hockey Canada has a tendency to snub its best players as I think you would concur. I read your comment, and frankly his play at the Subway series obviously screwed his chances. Do you think he should not play...If Sutter wins great, but if he does not the people are going to say where was Darnel Nurse.

You tell me one other defenseman that is on Team Canada that possesses offensive and defensive abilities, with a nasty streak. He gets compared to CFP for a reason. He scores, fights, hits, and skates like a deer.

Last time I checked Hall got invited to the Olympic Team TC. Hmmmm.... He`s on the short list. Perron, why not. If by January first and he`s becomes a PPG player. Why not. he possess a 200 foot game, a shooter mentality, and competes.

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#38 Spydyr
December 07 2013, 03:42PM
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Smokey wrote:

Nurse would be the second leading point producing dman for the WJT. Hockey Canada has a tendency to snub its best players as I think you would concur. I read your comment, and frankly his play at the Subway series obviously screwed his chances. Do you think he should not play...If Sutter wins great, but if he does not the people are going to say where was Darnel Nurse.

You tell me one other defenseman that is on Team Canada that possesses offensive and defensive abilities, with a nasty streak. He gets compared to CFP for a reason. He scores, fights, hits, and skates like a deer.

Last time I checked Hall got invited to the Olympic Team TC. Hmmmm.... He`s on the short list. Perron, why not. If by January first and he`s becomes a PPG player. Why not. he possess a 200 foot game, a shooter mentality, and competes.

I don't follow the OHL and the rest of junior hockey enough to comment on if Nurse should of been on the team or not.The thing is very smart hockey people who do follow junior hockey don't think he should be on the team.That is good enough for me.

With Perron I do follow the NHL enough to know there are many players for Canada that are better then Perron.I love his game but there are just too many guys ahead of him when it comes too playing for Canada at the Olympics.

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#39 Oilers Coffey
December 07 2013, 04:44PM
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Imagine Hall playing along side Crosby, that would be a fast dangerous combination! I can dream baby! Dare to dream, dream BIG!

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#40 Rick
December 07 2013, 09:37PM
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Yakupov needs to go back to Junior hockey. He has no idea where he is suppose to be on the ice.

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#41 Taylor Gang
December 07 2013, 10:44AM
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Baby steps guys. Hall should work on being a superstar in the NHL first. I think we can all agree that Olympics are in Hall's future; there's no need for it to be this year. If Hall gets say 35 goals and 40 assists this year and rounds his game out more we can call this year a success for him.

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#42 NJ
December 07 2013, 01:17PM
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No possible way J. Staal makes it. Period. If he does, I'll leave my tv off on principle.

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#43 jake
December 07 2013, 02:07PM
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I am not sure he deserves to go as it's a small tournament, not a season, and his turnovers can be backbreaking squared.

The unfortunate thing is no guarantee NHL will participate in 2018 in S. Korea. They may get into these World cup things instead.

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#44 Oiler Al
December 07 2013, 02:08PM
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Got to love Halls, speed and his decent shot.. but he is miles away from being on the Olympic team.... his hockey IQ is not that good.. need to learn to read the ice, and use his mates more. He is a one man wrecking ball, making a run for the net, without considering his options... this works in junior league but not in the NHL... that's why he makes a lot of errant passes into no-mans land.

His defensive game has improved...maturity..not so sure.

Sharp has play off experience,,, would be my choice.

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#45 PutzStew
December 07 2013, 02:41PM
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@Smokey

Please don't get me wrong. I do not believe the PPG is a good argument. I was actually pointing out that PPG alone was not a good stat to go one. Any stat alone, for that matter, is not a good stat to go on. Giodano is a good dman and Oilers fan should wish to have a top dman as good as him, but team Canada is a huge stretch for him.

Stamkos is a great example.

You know I really hope that the young player on the oilers get the right guidance. Ruffs comments/treatment of Hall last year hit the nail on the head. He has work to do and a lot to learn in order to reach the next level. That actually goes out to all the young Oilers. There is some tremendous talent there but none of them can be considered elite at this point because none of them have a complete game. If they ever do get that then watch out. Until then….well where are they sitting in the standings?

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#46 Mikey
December 07 2013, 02:45PM
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Peter wrote:

You come on here always writing like you are smarter than others, but the fact you don't know that Steen is playing for team Sweden shows how little you actually know.

Neal is the most one-dimensional player of all you mentioned, yet you are oblivious to that and once again your lack of hockey IQ shows up.

Neal is a shooter, and not much else.

Giordano has played 10 games this year and you think that puts him in same boat as Hall? Again idiotic.

Giordano wasn't a 2nd team all-star last year, and he has never been regarded as an elite defender, while Hall has been looked at and ranked as an elite left winger.

You can hate on Hall all you like, but stop pretending you know hockey. Your posts clearly suggest you don't.

You are embarrassing yourself.

While I agree with your assessment of Mr. Putz. Neal is an interesting case. He is similar to Hall except on a better team. Hall has the speed (which I believe team Canada is considering a must) Neal has experience.

One thing most people are seeming to overlook is, teams are allowed to take more players than before. Which, I think can help Halls case.

If you feel the team is lacking speed, you can take Hall. While also taking, say Sharp, and let both of them know the situation.

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#47 nina russo
December 07 2013, 03:17PM
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Wow, and I thought Stauffer had the man-=lust for Hall. Where's the objectivity?

Hall doesnt make the team because he is a liability against any opposing skilled line, and only on the OIL would his line-mates willingly continually cover up his turnovers.

He is a very dynamic player that eventually will gain the necessary maturity to play a team game. But that is 3-4 years away.

If he wants to be a leader has to learn from mature players like Crosby, Toews, even Stamkos.

At this point there are a number of centr-men who team Canada will [lay on the left wing ahead of Hall, simply because they are more reliable and offer their LINEMATES an equal or greater amount of support and direction. Remember the Olympics is about the best players in the world, there is no room for error, and lines are directed from the center out not left to right.

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#48 Spydyr
December 07 2013, 03:22PM
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@Smokey

A few days ago your said you were looking forward to watching Nurse play top pairing minutes at the WJC .I mentioned he was playing third pairing minutes for the OHL in the Russia series and I could not see him playing first pairing minutes for Canada.

He never even made the list for the team.

Now it is Hall and Perron on the Olympic team?

It appears as you wear Oiler colour glasses.

Hall is a defensive liability especially at the blue lines.As much as I love Perron's game there are just to many better, bigger, stronger and faster players to choose from.

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#49 oilfan
December 07 2013, 03:25PM
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PutzStew wrote:

I actually just looked up Steen because it didn't seem right that he would play for Canada and yes as you pointed out he has played for team Sweden which would make him ineligible to play for team Canada.

And yes as you pointed out Neal is one dimensional….just as is Hall. But if you are looking at potential Team Canada LW solely based on merit of PPG, as Lowetide did in his article then you would have to mention Neal ahead of Hall, because as NHL.com points out, Neal is ahead of Hall in the department.

As for Giodano, see the bit above about PPG Merrit. No I don't think he should be considered for the team either.

I'm not hating on Hall either. He is good and has amazing potential but if he was elite then he would have a 200 ft game. Until then he will be a good to great player but he is far from a Crosby, Toews, Stamkos, ETC.

Of course since I am embarrassing myself please take the time to humor us with explanation of how a elite, complete hockey player makes so many turn overs, is caught regular leaving the zone early or for that matter has no 200 foot game????

We await you response.

A Response to PutzStew,

I think that Neal has the benefit of being on a respected team. He is a PPG player and he plays with 2 of the best centres in the world. He has demonstrated that he knows how to play on a team of stars and make them better. Hall is probably a better skater than Neal, but Neal is a more complete player, meaning he backchecks hard and has a great D zone awareness.

Hall is roughly a PPG player on a team that is probably looked down upon a little by Hockey Canada. I think that Hall`s personality hurts his respectability alot. Hall plays like someone who thinks hes the best on the ice. On an olympic team thats a bit of a problem because he just isnt. If he was a humble guy and played a little harder in the D Zone he`d be a lock, but right now Neal is a better fit.

Putz, an elite offensive player commits turnovers, it just happens when you think the game better than other people, just look at Ovechkin. Putz, your posts look like halls game, good comments but they are a bit pretentious and lack respect. If you cleam that up I think you could be an elite commenter someday.

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#50 Smokey
December 07 2013, 03:25PM
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PutzStew wrote:

Please don't get me wrong. I do not believe the PPG is a good argument. I was actually pointing out that PPG alone was not a good stat to go one. Any stat alone, for that matter, is not a good stat to go on. Giodano is a good dman and Oilers fan should wish to have a top dman as good as him, but team Canada is a huge stretch for him.

Stamkos is a great example.

You know I really hope that the young player on the oilers get the right guidance. Ruffs comments/treatment of Hall last year hit the nail on the head. He has work to do and a lot to learn in order to reach the next level. That actually goes out to all the young Oilers. There is some tremendous talent there but none of them can be considered elite at this point because none of them have a complete game. If they ever do get that then watch out. Until then….well where are they sitting in the standings?

Thanks for the cordial argument. Some here want to just say `you know nothing bout hockey and make no argument.`

I think Ruff`s treatment of Hall was to see if he could play in a bottom line role with limited minutes. Hall should of embraced it, dumped pucks in, and eliminate the turnovers. however he played his game and got benched in crunch time and earned very little powerplay time. I think he will never be a legit 200 foot player, and why does he need too. If he was the only Oiler turning over pucks, no one would care. Its like Gaborik or Kovy, or Ovechkin. They earn the right to play by a different set of rules then others, and others clean up the messes.

Giodano is a nice defenseman. I have trouble calling him a legit number one, but a solid 2 is not a stretch. He`s carved out a good career in Calgary. They should give him a Wiznewski type deal.

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