SCENES FROM A MAUL

Lowetide
December 08 2013 07:41AM

The Edmonton Oilers won the battle last night, but once again lost the war. The shot differential said Edmonton was well clear of the Flames (52-33) but the final score told us Calgary won the day. The story of last night was execution, and at this point I'm in favor of it.

SHOT DIFFERENTIAL BEATDOWN

The Oilers had a field day last night based on even-strength shots for and against (my thanks to Michael Parkatti for the table above), hell the guy they benched went 12-0 in the discipline. The problem for Edmonton? They're a miserable team without the puck and increasingly they are not willing to do the hard work of getting it back.

I'm not a guy who talks about "physical presence" or "someone to get in your face" very much, because for the most part I do believe those things are overrated. However, this edition of the Edmonton Oilers needs someone to light a fire under their ass, the way Glen Sather did with the Boys on the Bus when they were pissing about instead of eating their vegetables. This team could use a whole lot less "Harlem Globetrotters" skill and a lot more lunchpail work ethic and attention to detail.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

There are two ways out of this:

  1. Impress upon these players that "fleeing the zone for offense" is treason, and that you're letting the team down.
  2. Trade one or two of these players for new ones in order to grab the group's attention. 

I bet Craig MacTavish is edging closer to the second option. The Edmonton Oilers are going to finish last with Jordan Eberle, Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Sam Gagner and Justin Schultz, they can sure as hell finish last without them.

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#101 2004Z06
December 08 2013, 11:14AM
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steveb12344 wrote:

First of all I said the team was talented. I didn't say they were awesome.

I don't care where the shots come from. Outshooting your opponent 52-33 will win you the game far more often than not. If this was not the case than I guess Corsi must be a completely useless stat.

Even with the OT loss, The Oilers are still 6-3-1 in their last 10. That's 13 points gained in their last 10.

In the west only SJ,and LA have more in their last 10. In the East just Pitt, Mtl and Bos have more.

I realize (sadly) that the season didn't start only 10 games ago, but I still feel at least a little better knowing that they have been tied for the 6th best record in the league over the last 10.

I fully agree that this team has serious issues, and is still far from a finished product. I just don't think it's time to get all apocalyptic about it.

Just a little different perspective.

A different perspective, or a different excuse?

On another note....looks like another sellout again last night!

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#102 Who Dat
December 08 2013, 11:32AM
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@a lg dubl dubl

Anna Kendrick, not Amy Smart.

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#103 Smokey
December 08 2013, 01:00PM
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Alot people woke up grumpy. For once I feel like the voice of reason.

I can't believe people wanna rip on Hall for 4 points in 2 games and a game tying goal last night. I guess he has to score a hattie every night. Someone said bench him...okidoki

Then people are railing on Eberle. He's only just sitting outside the top 30 in scoring and has a relatively decent plus minus. Personally I think his defensive limitations are magnified by this system, and bad goaltending Not the problem in Edmonton. Don't get this trade talk.

Justin Schultz. This team is a bad team with him, an aweful team without. Forced to play 27 minutes last night because this team lost Petry. He was not the problem.

Yak last night. Shot differential tells.the story. 12 for 0 against, but plays 13 minutes. Guy's hitting more then anyone else lately.

The problem's are coaching and the PP. Pp is jekyl and hyde. The shorty last night was brutal. Not enough crashing the night going for rebounds. Gagner is just a floater. I use to defend him but I won't anymore. And this team thinks its adult rec league. Did anyone go after the guy who smoked Petry? I don't remember.

My untouchables are Hall, Eberle, RNH, Schultz, Nurse. I'm not giving up on Yak but you gotta have pieces to give. You got Yak, Gagner, Klefbom, Hemsky, Petry, and a first overall to bring either a second line center or top 2 defenseman. If you can't do that then keep building.

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#104 Danger Pay
December 08 2013, 03:39PM
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Win, lose, Win, lose, Win, lose... I'm guessing the next game is a Win.

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#105 Dog Train
December 08 2013, 06:49PM
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You know things are bad when Lowetide writes an article like this. Play time needs to end, accountability needs to come into play. If only we had an organization that realized this.

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#106 Zarny
December 08 2013, 07:51PM
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oilers1168 wrote:

My question is why does Eberle, hall, gagner and Schulz junior get such a long leash.

My count last evening Gagner was only credited with two giveaway, I count 4. We need more from our coach to start benching, cutting ice time and press boxing some of the above players.

I didn't include Yak because he is really still in his 1st year and is 20yrs old. He should be forted the same as the others needs to learn by making some mistakes. The same reasoning was used on the others.

Trading Yak would be a mistake. He hits way more then Eberle and Hemsky combined, and awesome shot if they decide to pass to him. He has a lot of Hall in him. Loves to carry the puck and drive the play and is passionate. When he fills out and has more man strength he will be close to a Phill Kessel physique and skill set. He is not a duplicate of Eberle.

Interesting that you would include Schultz; given that he's played 6 fewer games than Yakupov. He also played NCAA. Notorious for taking longer to develop (i.e. van Riemsdyk, Turris). None of that changes with Schultz. It's laughable to watch fans pile on a guy with 71 NHL games of experience.

If Eberle, Hall and Gagner have a longer leash I suspect it's because they've put up huge games before. Like 4 G or 8 pts.

Wouldn't it have been cute if Hall was in the press box against Colorado instead of putting up 3G 1A 4PT?

I'm not saying it's right; but when your job is to win games it's hard to sit players who have essentially won games single-handed before.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with trading Yakupov. Nothing wrong with trading Eberle either. Which one likely depends on what you get in return.

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#107 Geoff
December 08 2013, 09:11AM
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Remember when Wayne predicted Gagner to be the next captain?

Now that was some funny $hit.

Hindsight is always 20/20 lol

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#108 Marcus
December 08 2013, 09:38AM
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steveb12344 wrote:

"But that aside, what I found unforgivable last night was the lack of effort."

This team is so talented that they make 52 SOG look effortless!

Uhh….the SOG were 31-27 for Edmonton.

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#109 morgie
December 08 2013, 12:39PM
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steveb12344 wrote:

First of all I said the team was talented. I didn't say they were awesome.

I don't care where the shots come from. Outshooting your opponent 52-33 will win you the game far more often than not. If this was not the case than I guess Corsi must be a completely useless stat.

Even with the OT loss, The Oilers are still 6-3-1 in their last 10. That's 13 points gained in their last 10.

In the west only SJ,and LA have more in their last 10. In the East just Pitt, Mtl and Bos have more.

I realize (sadly) that the season didn't start only 10 games ago, but I still feel at least a little better knowing that they have been tied for the 6th best record in the league over the last 10.

I fully agree that this team has serious issues, and is still far from a finished product. I just don't think it's time to get all apocalyptic about it.

Just a little different perspective.

Another perspective is the oil beat only one playoff team in those ten games, Colorado

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#110 Rod from Viking
December 08 2013, 01:43PM
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Hockey fan 1976 wrote:

TUE, 10 DEC 2013 HURRICANES OILERS Carolina Wins THU, 12 DEC 2013 BRUINS OILERS Bruins Makes road kill of the Oilers FRI, 13 DEC 2013 OILERS CANUCKS Man vs boys part II SUN, 15 DEC 2013 OILERS DUCKS See Bruins TUE, 17 DEC 2013 OILERS KINGS See Ducks THU, 19 DEC 2013 OILERS AVALANCHE Revenge by Avs SAT, 21 DEC 2013 BLUES OILERS See Canucks MON, 23 DEC 2013 JETS OILERS See opening game of the season FRI, 27 DEC 2013 OILERS FLAMES Ok we might win this one!!! SAT, 28 DEC 2013 FLYERS OILERS See Blues TUE, 31 DEC 2013 OILERS COYOTES Didn't we get spanked 6-2

So in conclusion. Our remaining potential record in Dec will 1-10. Merry f@&$! Christmas everyone!!!!

Don't be such a pessimist, if we get Bryz back we will win two.(lol)

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#111 Bender
December 08 2013, 02:24PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Okay I will play along with your logic.

If Dubnyk has made that not crazy difficult save in OT the Oilers might have came back and won the game.

Hmmmm interesting thought process......u could also say if Schultz could play defense Dubnyk wouldn't have had to make that save. Body language of Dubnyk she the game ended of," Are you serious," Pretty much said it all.

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#112 oilers1168
December 08 2013, 05:11PM
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Its easy to blame the players. But as the game progressed Eakins must recognize that they need to change up the PP setup. Shoot the puck in and force the flame d-men to tire out by pivoting and chasing it. Yes that means we need to get physical and fore-check to win a puck battle. Carrying the puck in wasn't working. Recognizing which players was struggling example Gagner and J. Schulz. Playing the same forwards upwards of 20 minutes is ridiculous. We have a team playing 3 games in four nights. Take advantage of the last line change and play 4 lines or part of all 4 lines. Tired players make mental mistakes.

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#113 YAKCITY64
December 08 2013, 08:56PM
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@Marcus

LT I love how you talk as if the oilers got 52 shots the official shots were 31-27. SOG mean shots on goal when it comes to the oilers even if you put lipstick on a pig its still a pig:)

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#114 Ari Gold
December 08 2013, 11:41PM
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That was a pathetic loss. They were outworked by an under-talented, under-manned Calgary team.

I'd say lesson learned, but I know better: I'm an Oiler fan.

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#115 Geoff
December 08 2013, 09:20AM
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Spydyr wrote:

No, actually I argued vehemently against it at the time. It actually disgusted me but thanks for coming.

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Proof :

#79 Spydyr August 28 2013, 06:27AM Trash it! 36 trashes +1 7 props Reply Edit

Sam reflects the current edition of the Oilers perfectly. He can't play defense, does not know how to play without the puck. Intimidates no one and is very easy to play against.

So all in all a nice fit

117 Spydyr August 28 2013, 10:22AM Trash it! 20 trashes +1 3 props Reply Edit

Comparing scoring eight goals in a nothing game to winning five Cups is like comparing Milly Cyrus shaking her a$$ to Pink Floyds The Wall. One is great the other fluff.

It is a real insight into this edition of the Oilers when most fans here approve of the new captain being Sam. Is he the best the team has to offer?

Now that is a sad state of affairs.

Wasn't arguing with what you said I just find it funny no one else would disagree with you as they would have then lol.

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#116 morgie
December 08 2013, 12:39PM
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steveb12344 wrote:

First of all I said the team was talented. I didn't say they were awesome.

I don't care where the shots come from. Outshooting your opponent 52-33 will win you the game far more often than not. If this was not the case than I guess Corsi must be a completely useless stat.

Even with the OT loss, The Oilers are still 6-3-1 in their last 10. That's 13 points gained in their last 10.

In the west only SJ,and LA have more in their last 10. In the East just Pitt, Mtl and Bos have more.

I realize (sadly) that the season didn't start only 10 games ago, but I still feel at least a little better knowing that they have been tied for the 6th best record in the league over the last 10.

I fully agree that this team has serious issues, and is still far from a finished product. I just don't think it's time to get all apocalyptic about it.

Just a little different perspective.

Another perspective is the oil beat only one playoff team in those ten games, Colorado

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#117 morgie
December 08 2013, 12:39PM
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steveb12344 wrote:

First of all I said the team was talented. I didn't say they were awesome.

I don't care where the shots come from. Outshooting your opponent 52-33 will win you the game far more often than not. If this was not the case than I guess Corsi must be a completely useless stat.

Even with the OT loss, The Oilers are still 6-3-1 in their last 10. That's 13 points gained in their last 10.

In the west only SJ,and LA have more in their last 10. In the East just Pitt, Mtl and Bos have more.

I realize (sadly) that the season didn't start only 10 games ago, but I still feel at least a little better knowing that they have been tied for the 6th best record in the league over the last 10.

I fully agree that this team has serious issues, and is still far from a finished product. I just don't think it's time to get all apocalyptic about it.

Just a little different perspective.

Another perspective is the oil beat only one playoff team in those ten games, Colorado

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#118 Spydyr
December 08 2013, 02:58PM
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6 ring circus wrote:

We were told to be patient during this rebuild and that this was the best thing that could happen to the Oiler's, so we all bought into this rebuild that Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini put together only to find out 7 years latter that we are no further ahead today then when we started,Gagner,Eberle and Yakopov are all 5'11" between 180-200 pounds,we have one defencemen who weighs more than 210 pounds Belov.The team plays way to soft,does not compete on most nights,whenever they play a bigger team, which is on most nights, they cannot compete physically and usually take a beating along the boards,on the ice and in front of the net.If and it's a very big if ,this team ever made the playoffs, they would not make it past the first round.This is Gagners 7th year already, he isn't going to turn his game around, what we have seen from him these past 7 years is the best we are going to get.Its time that ownership fires the architect (Kevin Lowe) and brings in a President and General manager from a winning organization to turn this around,only then will the fans be rewarded with a hockey team,this management group has had seven years and they royally screwed up with the team they have assembled,the players know it,the fans know it and the media knows it and its time ownership does something about it, instead of sitting there and taking our money for an inferior product, put a team on the ice that the loyal fans deserve and can be proud of.

Come on now tell us how you really feel.

I think most of us here would agree with you.

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#119 Ari Gold
December 08 2013, 11:42PM
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brackenbury wrote:

I would like to know who u guys would trade off the club And who u want in return. Let's try and keep it realistic. This should b fun. Come one, come all!

The entire Oilers roster minus Perron, Gordo, Arco & Belov for a porn-mag & lotion.

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#120 Devolution
December 09 2013, 02:38AM
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The truly frustrating thing is that, except for the players names, this entire conversation could be from 1,2,3 or four years ago. Nothing changes and I am starting to think nothing ever will.

It is a bad organization that makes money, the worst combination for future success. Harold Ballard's Leafs comes to mind.

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#121 steveb12344
December 08 2013, 09:11AM
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Batfink wrote:

High quality shots from low in the slot were they? Or kept to the half-boards, impossible angle, low percentage efforts. Lames did well to keep us to the outside and collapse in and 'PROTECT THIS HOUSE' when needed (I believe it's written on the wall of the players tunnel). We just didn't want it enough. Perron can't do it all. Any bunch of idiots can (and apparently did) phone it in from stupid angles because they can't/won't go to the tough areas when needed. Beaten by grinders, man, grinders.

Edit: I acknowledge we hit the iron twice. There's a reason it's not counted as a SOG. As my old pappy used to say, close only count's in horseshoes, holding hands and hand grenades. Might be the mental toughness, because of taking almost scoring as a positive and piling it on, the heads went down because they DIDN'T score. Big difference.

First of all I said the team was talented. I didn't say they were awesome.

I don't care where the shots come from. Outshooting your opponent 52-33 will win you the game far more often than not. If this was not the case than I guess Corsi must be a completely useless stat.

Even with the OT loss, The Oilers are still 6-3-1 in their last 10. That's 13 points gained in their last 10.

In the west only SJ,and LA have more in their last 10. In the East just Pitt, Mtl and Bos have more.

I realize (sadly) that the season didn't start only 10 games ago, but I still feel at least a little better knowing that they have been tied for the 6th best record in the league over the last 10.

I fully agree that this team has serious issues, and is still far from a finished product. I just don't think it's time to get all apocalyptic about it.

Just a little different perspective.

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#122 morgie
December 08 2013, 12:39PM
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steveb12344 wrote:

First of all I said the team was talented. I didn't say they were awesome.

I don't care where the shots come from. Outshooting your opponent 52-33 will win you the game far more often than not. If this was not the case than I guess Corsi must be a completely useless stat.

Even with the OT loss, The Oilers are still 6-3-1 in their last 10. That's 13 points gained in their last 10.

In the west only SJ,and LA have more in their last 10. In the East just Pitt, Mtl and Bos have more.

I realize (sadly) that the season didn't start only 10 games ago, but I still feel at least a little better knowing that they have been tied for the 6th best record in the league over the last 10.

I fully agree that this team has serious issues, and is still far from a finished product. I just don't think it's time to get all apocalyptic about it.

Just a little different perspective.

Another perspective is the oil beat only one playoff team in those ten games, Colorado

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#123 morgie
December 08 2013, 12:39PM
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steveb12344 wrote:

First of all I said the team was talented. I didn't say they were awesome.

I don't care where the shots come from. Outshooting your opponent 52-33 will win you the game far more often than not. If this was not the case than I guess Corsi must be a completely useless stat.

Even with the OT loss, The Oilers are still 6-3-1 in their last 10. That's 13 points gained in their last 10.

In the west only SJ,and LA have more in their last 10. In the East just Pitt, Mtl and Bos have more.

I realize (sadly) that the season didn't start only 10 games ago, but I still feel at least a little better knowing that they have been tied for the 6th best record in the league over the last 10.

I fully agree that this team has serious issues, and is still far from a finished product. I just don't think it's time to get all apocalyptic about it.

Just a little different perspective.

Another perspective is the oil beat only one playoff team in those ten games, Colorado

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#124 morgie
December 08 2013, 12:39PM
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steveb12344 wrote:

First of all I said the team was talented. I didn't say they were awesome.

I don't care where the shots come from. Outshooting your opponent 52-33 will win you the game far more often than not. If this was not the case than I guess Corsi must be a completely useless stat.

Even with the OT loss, The Oilers are still 6-3-1 in their last 10. That's 13 points gained in their last 10.

In the west only SJ,and LA have more in their last 10. In the East just Pitt, Mtl and Bos have more.

I realize (sadly) that the season didn't start only 10 games ago, but I still feel at least a little better knowing that they have been tied for the 6th best record in the league over the last 10.

I fully agree that this team has serious issues, and is still far from a finished product. I just don't think it's time to get all apocalyptic about it.

Just a little different perspective.

Another perspective is the oil beat only one playoff team in those ten games, Colorado

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#125 morgie
December 08 2013, 12:39PM
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steveb12344 wrote:

First of all I said the team was talented. I didn't say they were awesome.

I don't care where the shots come from. Outshooting your opponent 52-33 will win you the game far more often than not. If this was not the case than I guess Corsi must be a completely useless stat.

Even with the OT loss, The Oilers are still 6-3-1 in their last 10. That's 13 points gained in their last 10.

In the west only SJ,and LA have more in their last 10. In the East just Pitt, Mtl and Bos have more.

I realize (sadly) that the season didn't start only 10 games ago, but I still feel at least a little better knowing that they have been tied for the 6th best record in the league over the last 10.

I fully agree that this team has serious issues, and is still far from a finished product. I just don't think it's time to get all apocalyptic about it.

Just a little different perspective.

Another perspective is the oil beat only one playoff team in those ten games, Colorado

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#126 T&A4Flames
December 08 2013, 02:47PM
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oilers1168 wrote:

Yak is no duplication of Eberle. He is an explosive skater like a Hall. Loves to carry the puck, awesome shot, and has a physical element to his game. Eberle is soft and rarely found in a scrum. When Nail fills out he will be more similar to a Phil Kessel in physique and skill set.

Soooooo.... He'll be built like the Michellin man or perhaps more like the Pillsbury dough boy.

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#127 Rod from Viking
December 08 2013, 05:41PM
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@oilcountyforlife

I would be keeping Nuge and Nurse as well.

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#128 Oilerz4life
December 08 2013, 06:41PM
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6 ring circus wrote:

I already know the answer to these question's and so does every other Oilers Fan, our problem unfortunately Katz does not!!!

If Keven Lowe was fired by the Oiler's is there another team in the NHL stupid enough to hire him,in any capacity other than a water boy?

If Mactavish was fired by the Oiler's as their GM, would any other team hire him ? (how does he go from being fired as our head coach 4 years ago no other NHL team hiring him as a coach and then he comes back to the Oiler's as General manager !!!!)

Can Scott Howson get a job anywhere else in the NHL, where Kevin Lowe isn't his boss?

If Steve Tambellini was such a good General manager (that's what Kevin Lowe said and it was his decision to hire him) why hasn't he been hired anywhere else in the NHL and will he ever surface again ? I had heard a rumor he went into the witness protection program.

If Steve Smith and Kelly Buchberger are such good assistant coaches,(they have been here now for 4 head coaches) why hasn't any other team hired either one for an Associate coach position or a head coach position in the AHL?

There is no need to wonder WTF is wrong with this organization, just look at the list above and tell me we aren't screwed until Katz does a complete overhaul of his management team.

Not trying to defend him, because I'm not a Tambellini fan, but he is working for another NHL team. He is now a scout for the Anaheim Ducks. Not that I disagree with your rant, but at least get your facts straight.

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#129 onlyoil
December 08 2013, 07:21PM
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Harlie wrote:

Why everyone heff to be mad?

The season was sewered in the first 10 games. The rest of this shmozzle is playing out to see who else end up in sick bay and what decision Stu "looking less magnificent everyday" McGregor is gonna make.

Relax. Coast a little. Eat a turnover. Watch some Darkwing Duck. Then rinse, reset, repeat.

Gagner is that you maybe it JSchultz

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#130 K_Mart
December 09 2013, 08:13AM
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like Cassie said... they play for points , not to win.

We gave that game to Calgary. We were clearly the superior team all game, and yet we couldn't help but try and be cute. Constantly turning the puck over.

Just brutal.

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#131 Walter Sobchak
December 08 2013, 09:56PM
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Zarny wrote:

Interesting that you would include Schultz; given that he's played 6 fewer games than Yakupov. He also played NCAA. Notorious for taking longer to develop (i.e. van Riemsdyk, Turris). None of that changes with Schultz. It's laughable to watch fans pile on a guy with 71 NHL games of experience.

If Eberle, Hall and Gagner have a longer leash I suspect it's because they've put up huge games before. Like 4 G or 8 pts.

Wouldn't it have been cute if Hall was in the press box against Colorado instead of putting up 3G 1A 4PT?

I'm not saying it's right; but when your job is to win games it's hard to sit players who have essentially won games single-handed before.

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with trading Yakupov. Nothing wrong with trading Eberle either. Which one likely depends on what you get in return.

That's a typical response I would accept from Eakins or MacTavish about the Oilers players.

Do you honestly believe as an organization, or a coach for that matter that because Gagner scored 8 points 2 1/2 years ago has relevance now?

I'm agreeing with you on Hall, but not with Schultz, Yakupov and most importantly Gagner.

Gagner is not winning games, he's actually starting to cost the Oilers games. After 7 years in the NHL Gagner is making poor decisions still.

Now, both Schultz & Yakupov could use a year in the AHL, being forced to learn the pro game on the fly is just setting them back.

There's are reason the Red Wings players are always ready when they play in the show.

Lastly, trading Yakupov or Ebelre is wrong!!

Yakupov alone won't get you a # 1 Defensemen, adding to that, you just lost Yakupov spot, you've lost his production.

If you trade Eberle as well, then you lost another RW, so now you have to find two RW's who's point contributions will be in the 100's

That leaves you with one potential RW left who's on his last year and likely won't sign back here...Hemsky.

So now your down 3........RW with no organizational depth, so now where do you get those replacements?

It's funny but the cost it took just to acquire that talent was a number 1 defensemen.

The Oilers have limited choices, they need to draft defensemen, unless there is a home run out there that won't cost you roster players, then it's highly unlikely the Oilers should deal any of the kids, since the Oilers organizations depth is poor to horrible.

Not trying to sound like a cynic but the Oilers cannot go whale hunting by giving away the future.

Draft Ekblad, having Nurse & Klefbom already in the system you won't need to trade these players.

Find quality 3rd line players to help Gordan out, suck it out one more year for Ekblad.....Trade Gagner & Hemsky, Schultz Sr, find a quality 2 way centre.

Just my opinion.

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#132 brackenbury
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Relax people. If u were b ing honest with yourselves Did u really think this team in THIS DIVISION would B a playoff team this year? Pleeeeeeze! Their is a ways To go. But they have played better hockey of late.

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#133 TV6
December 09 2013, 03:25AM
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6 ring circus wrote:

Wow !!! We have someone here following the whereabouts of Tambellini he has such a major role with the Anaheim ducks that he even isn't listed on their staff directory!!!! Maybe I should of put when will he get another job as a General manager after him and Lowe basically set the Oilers back how many years because of there incompetence?

@ Big Pussy...

I must say, it's more than a little ironic when you mention "incompetence", especially when you can't even spell the difference between "there" & "their"...

As for your earlier points...

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"If Mactavish was fired by the Oiler's as their GM, would any other team hire him ? (how does he go from being fired as our head coach 4 years ago no other NHL team hiring him as a coach and then he comes back to the Oiler's as General manager !!!!)"

#1. > MacT was hired by the Knucks & was the Bench Boss for the Chicago Wolves, not to mention that he was interviewed by the Flyers & the Wild for their Head Coaching gigs.

"Can Scott Howson get a job anywhere else in the NHL, where Kevin Lowe isn't his boss?"

I would tend to argue that the G.M. gig in Columbus is "another job in the NHL", but what you think is obviously a different type of thought process altogether...

"If Steve Tambellini was such a good General manager (that's what Kevin Lowe said and it was his decision to hire him) why hasn't he been hired anywhere else in the NHL and will he ever surface again ? I had heard a rumor he went into the witness protection program."

As per what was posted before... Tambo works for the Fowl now, & the last time I checked, it's not his gig to "update" their website. Even the Oilers website still has some updates to do since Eakins was hired.

"If Steve Smith and Kelly Buchberger are such good assistant coaches,(they have been here now for 4 head coaches) why hasn't any other team hired either one for an Associate coach position or a head coach position in the AHL?"

Buchy already HAD a Head Coaching gig in the AHL. & Smith was a scout with the Hawks & a Asst. Coach with the Red Menace before as well... Plus Smith was hired by the Oil in 2010. he was not even in the organization when Quinn was the Bench Boss. But don't let that stop you from talking out of your ass with your "facts".

At least try to do a little homework before you go off on Professionals that you obviously know pretty well nothing about.

Fair enough..?

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#134 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
December 09 2013, 10:00AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Yakupov is just finishing up his first 82 games, I don't think he's a guy we can blame for the overall mess this team is in currently.

That said, if the Oilers decided to deal him, your point about duplicate skills applies. The one thing about Yakupov that we can't forget is his shot: if he ever finds the range it's going to be amazing.

To keep things in perspective......Yes 82 games is too early to pass final judgement on Yak.....however you can still make judgements...and he is definitely not performing like an elite # 1 overall pick. He ABSOLUTELY does not have Pavel Bure quickness or speed, and his shooting skills if you include accuracy and the ability to get a shot off against NHL calibre defensemen, are not elite calibre either.

However what you do see is that he is physically solid for someone his age...his ability to hit and take a hit is above average for someone his size and he is solid on his skates.

He sees the ice well, has excellent passing and play making skills for his age.

So yes the natural ability is there....he's just got to be coached how to think the game at the NHL level and how to get the most out of the special skills he does possess....that's on the coaches, his teamtes and of course Yak himself (and his agent) .....it's going to take ALOT more than "finding the range".... It is a work in progress....but we should be seeing significant development over the course of every two to three month segment.

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#135 Spydyr
December 08 2013, 10:23AM
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Naky wrote:

Last night was another prime example of Dubnyk keeping the game winnable behind a team completely disinterested in helping him keep the puck out of their own net and yet again they didn't reward him with a win for all their supposed offense and all their non-stop cheating to try to get it.

Games like this is why I get so mad when people crap over him because it's games like this that people don't remember. It's just a loss. Guess he should have stopped them all so we could have won 1-0. Clearly his fault. At least that's how it'll be remembered and it's the height of crap.

Nobody ever remembers that it was the collective mess in front of him that couldn't do much of anything to help both offensively or defensively and it's been like this for two or three years now. Even when they get the offense on the scoreboard, their defensive play was such a mess to get that offense but fans don't care because, hey, they got 4 or 5 on the board man. They did what they were supposed to do, right? Bull. Hockey's more than putting the biscuit in the bag and always has been.

But at least people are starting to see it now. Looking beyond the shot totals and the numbers on the scoreboard and assuming that a good game was played by all, or at least I hope so. Because it hasn't been pretty for a long time now and I'm really getting sick of watching it.

Okay I will play along with your logic.

If Dubnyk has made that not crazy difficult save in OT the Oilers might have came back and won the game.

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#136 Tom
December 08 2013, 02:37PM
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Release the Hounds wrote:

I watched the highlights of last nights game and what really stood out for me was that on the O/T goal, Hudler is standing ALONE in front of DD while the d-men(#19 and #85) are looking up ice from almost the top of the circles! Do these guys even communicate with each other on the ice? Could Dubnyk not give verbal "heads-up" to his D-men that he has a lone visitor at the edge of his crease and he isn't of the friendly variety? I've seen this time and time again how the opposition is allowed to stand around in front of the net uncontested. I realize that a lot of that has to do with the team being a bunch of softies but it seems to me there is a total lack of communication on the ice.

Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the top of the circle closest to the blue line. Schultz was only a few feet from whomever scored and knew he was there. He looked right At him and then picked his positioning. He would have picked off that pass too if Nuge hadn't tipped it over his stick.

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#137 nick
December 08 2013, 05:15PM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

I'm a Belov fan also, he has been quite a surprise for the Oil, and his attitude of only signing one year deals to make him earn another contract is also pretty respectable.

I am thinking that he sat to watch the game from a different perspective as I'm sure he has seen NHL hockey before of course, but seeing it from the press box to see what type of system Eakins is trying to play, and to see the Oil play can only help him develop his North American game. It is a fairly different for Europeans coming over also as the speed and congestion of the game is quite an adjustment. Most spend some time in the AHL to get their heads around it, could have been the one mistake that the Oilers made with him, especially the fact he came late to camp due to the embassy strikes.

As far as I remember, the KHL also has fewer games and they are spread out a bit more so there is a small chance that as the wear and tear of the season goes on, he may have been a bit exhausted and started making little mistakes. It's a logical possibility.

I cannot believe that I am defending Eakins here, but the Belov not playing for a few games kind of makes sense to me. There are far bigger, more baffling issues that the Oil have.

He is not playing because he is not an NHL defenseman. Do you really think if he was good he would have been in the NHL before he was 27. There's a reason he was playing in the KHL

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#138 Brian
December 08 2013, 06:01PM
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Am I still banned ?

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#139 Spydyr
December 08 2013, 06:26PM
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Brian wrote:

Am I still banned ?

Looks like no but I though you got hit by a car and died?

Oh wait that is a different Brian.Or is this the ghost of Brian.

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#140 brackenbury
December 08 2013, 10:30PM
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I would like to know who u guys would trade off the club And who u want in return. Let's try and keep it realistic. This should b fun. Come one, come all!

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#141 brackenbury
December 08 2013, 11:16PM
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@Puck_In_Throat

I didn't think the oilers played awful last night( am I drinking The copper and blue kool aid ? ) anyhow, Gagner is coming back from a serious injury. Let's cut him a little slack. He has Been a good soldier in his time here. I wonder if a few of the "WONDERKIDS '' r even tradeable with their fat contracts? I know the oilers have been very high on KULIKOV for a couple of years now. Would he help? Also, let's give MACT A chance. Admitedly he has made some mistakes. But he also Got Dallas to take horcoff, and pulled off a heist getting PERRON. Pretty shrewd bringing in the BRYZ also. AS far as Klow ...... he needs to b gone! If nothing more than to please Our fan base. Obviously he is useless in any adminastrative Capacity

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#142 Zarny
December 09 2013, 09:33AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

That's a typical response I would accept from Eakins or MacTavish about the Oilers players.

Do you honestly believe as an organization, or a coach for that matter that because Gagner scored 8 points 2 1/2 years ago has relevance now?

I'm agreeing with you on Hall, but not with Schultz, Yakupov and most importantly Gagner.

Gagner is not winning games, he's actually starting to cost the Oilers games. After 7 years in the NHL Gagner is making poor decisions still.

Now, both Schultz & Yakupov could use a year in the AHL, being forced to learn the pro game on the fly is just setting them back.

There's are reason the Red Wings players are always ready when they play in the show.

Lastly, trading Yakupov or Ebelre is wrong!!

Yakupov alone won't get you a # 1 Defensemen, adding to that, you just lost Yakupov spot, you've lost his production.

If you trade Eberle as well, then you lost another RW, so now you have to find two RW's who's point contributions will be in the 100's

That leaves you with one potential RW left who's on his last year and likely won't sign back here...Hemsky.

So now your down 3........RW with no organizational depth, so now where do you get those replacements?

It's funny but the cost it took just to acquire that talent was a number 1 defensemen.

The Oilers have limited choices, they need to draft defensemen, unless there is a home run out there that won't cost you roster players, then it's highly unlikely the Oilers should deal any of the kids, since the Oilers organizations depth is poor to horrible.

Not trying to sound like a cynic but the Oilers cannot go whale hunting by giving away the future.

Draft Ekblad, having Nurse & Klefbom already in the system you won't need to trade these players.

Find quality 3rd line players to help Gordan out, suck it out one more year for Ekblad.....Trade Gagner & Hemsky, Schultz Sr, find a quality 2 way centre.

Just my opinion.

And that's the typical response I'd expect from a homer hitting the panic button.

Like I said..."I'm not saying it's right".

You need to learn to read before driveling on.

Gagner scoring 8 pts 2-1/2 years ago is relevant for the simple fact that that is not his only big game in his career. He is one of a select few Oilers who in the past has had big games.

Once again...I'm not saying it's right...but I can guarantee you son that when a coach is thinking about putting a player in the press box it's something that crosses his mind. Sure, you could send him a message; or you could just miss out on a 4 pt night.

And spare me the drivel about Schultz and Yakupov learning the pro game on the fly. Crosby, Ovechkin, Tavares, Kane, Stamkos...and on and on and on...the league is littered with young kids who have made the jump to the NHL right away and learned the pro game "on the fly".

Also spare me your drivel about Detroit. They haven't had a top 10 draft pick in the last 2 decades. The Oilers also started Tyler Pitlick and Martin Marincin in the minors too.

And yes there is nothing wrong with trading Yakupov or Eberle if you get the right return.

I hate to break it to you but the Oilers aren't going to get to draft Ekbald. And even if they did they can't afford to wait the 4-5 years it will take for Ekbald, Nurse and Klefbom to become legit top pairing D if they ever do.

By that time Hall, Eberle, Nuge etc will all be on the final years of their contracts and the window will have pretty much been narrowed down to 1-2 years. Too much risk.

Not to mention the top 6 F are too much of the same so you're going to have to trade someone because there is zero chance the Oilers ever win the Cup with that mix in the top 6.

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#143 Zarny
December 09 2013, 09:42AM
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brackenbury wrote:

Nice profile pic. ZANY, who would u like to c coming back For a trade involving YAK or EBS ?

Meagan sucking on that cherry always puts a smile on my face :-)

You only trade Yak or Eberle for a legit top pairing D OR a 50-60 pt power F.

Personally, I don't see any of the top 10 D in the league being available unless Subban's contract goes sideways in Mtl.

So I think McDonagh or Girardi in NYR are your best bet for options at D. I like Coburn in Phi but don't think I'd package Ebs or Yak for him.

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#144 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
December 09 2013, 10:19AM
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Jesse wrote:

Oilers team is full of Goal-sucks. No one wants to play a 200 ft game.

Lowetide and many of his followers love the goal suck game!

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#145 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
December 09 2013, 11:03AM
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Wintoon wrote:

I detest 'broad street bully' hockey where intimidation is the key tactic. I much prefer skilled hockey being on display. Having said this, I do expect a team to be competitive. If, occassionally, that means dropping the gloves then so be it. Dropping the gloves however is certainly not the key component of competitive. Current edition of the Oilers either needs to find a different level of compete or they need to be traded. LT has stated it beautifully and succinctly.

AND PLEASE will you people including you LT stop using the Broad Steet Bully analogy to represent tough physical Candian style hockey. It's a total cop out...totally lazy.

The Broad Steet Bullies were an anamoly....an oddity.....a one time thing...a creation of Fred Shero.

If you want to reference tough physical Canadian style hockey please use as your reference the 80's Battles of Alberta...with the Messiers and Joel Ottos ....the Kevin Mcllenands and the Neal Seehey's of the world ( I hate Sheehey so much I can't remember how to spell his name)....the Tim Hunters and the Dave Semenkos.....the Dave Bam Bam Langevins and the Lee Fogilins.....go back and watch those battles....and if thats kind of Hockey you're protesting is too physical for you're tastes....well at least we'll have a legitimate reference point and we'll know where each other stands......but don't cop out with the continual references to Fred Sheros Broad Street Bullies......

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#146 morgie
December 10 2013, 08:15AM
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HiTs FrOm ThE bOnG wrote:

30 teams. 16 make the playoffs. You do the math. You have to beat the bad teams before you can beat the good teams. Now, if we could only beat those bad teams.

ya hows that math working for the past three years and counting

you think the last 10 are indicitive of the team rising from tthe ashes, i doubt it

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#147 Rod from Viking
December 08 2013, 05:43PM
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@Lowetide

She isn't going to stick her finger in her mouth is she?

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#148 hall the time
December 08 2013, 06:23PM
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camdog wrote:

The problem with the organization is that there are very few players on this team that have earned their status, in Edmonton we just annoint players stars, without making them have to work for it speaking of Hemsky, Gags, Eberle and Hall. Heck we were ready to give Hall the C and have Eberle and Gags with A's. Hall is the only one that deserves a letter, however that letter is an A and that is all.

The Oilers best player this season is Perron. With Hitchcook as coach Perron had to earn his position on the team. When he didn't play the "200" foot game he got benched. THat doesn't happen in E-town, not with the star players. That's the difference between Edmonton and winning franchises.

Are you one of the Oil Barons, I know you guys gotta be posting stuff about the top lines on here lol.

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#149 brackenbury
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@Zarny

Nice profile pic. ZANY, who would u like to c coming back For a trade involving YAK or EBS ?

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#150 camdog
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@Zarny

Win games? Even in the AHL to start last season, they had trouble winning games...

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