SCENES FROM A MAUL

Lowetide
December 08 2013 07:41AM

The Edmonton Oilers won the battle last night, but once again lost the war. The shot differential said Edmonton was well clear of the Flames (52-33) but the final score told us Calgary won the day. The story of last night was execution, and at this point I'm in favor of it.

SHOT DIFFERENTIAL BEATDOWN

The Oilers had a field day last night based on even-strength shots for and against (my thanks to Michael Parkatti for the table above), hell the guy they benched went 12-0 in the discipline. The problem for Edmonton? They're a miserable team without the puck and increasingly they are not willing to do the hard work of getting it back.

I'm not a guy who talks about "physical presence" or "someone to get in your face" very much, because for the most part I do believe those things are overrated. However, this edition of the Edmonton Oilers needs someone to light a fire under their ass, the way Glen Sather did with the Boys on the Bus when they were pissing about instead of eating their vegetables. This team could use a whole lot less "Harlem Globetrotters" skill and a lot more lunchpail work ethic and attention to detail.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

There are two ways out of this:

  1. Impress upon these players that "fleeing the zone for offense" is treason, and that you're letting the team down.
  2. Trade one or two of these players for new ones in order to grab the group's attention. 

I bet Craig MacTavish is edging closer to the second option. The Edmonton Oilers are going to finish last with Jordan Eberle, Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Sam Gagner and Justin Schultz, they can sure as hell finish last without them.

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#1 Soup
December 08 2013, 08:10AM
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Lowtide, a reason why you haven't included Yak in the list of last place culprits? I constantly read the comments about getting rid of Eberle to fill holes, but to me this is akin to trading Bossey. Yak is duplicated several times over on this roster. He is the one that should go.

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#2 Hockey fan 1976
December 08 2013, 09:20AM
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You are 3 moves away from becoming an elite team: a) fire KBlow b) fire Ms. T and c) fire our AHL coach :). Boom!

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#3 Hockey fan 1976
December 08 2013, 10:41AM
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Wonder who would win between the Oil Kings and Oilers if they played today? Lol or the Women's Olympic Team and these clowns?

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#4 nick
December 08 2013, 05:15PM
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Johnnydapunk wrote:

I'm a Belov fan also, he has been quite a surprise for the Oil, and his attitude of only signing one year deals to make him earn another contract is also pretty respectable.

I am thinking that he sat to watch the game from a different perspective as I'm sure he has seen NHL hockey before of course, but seeing it from the press box to see what type of system Eakins is trying to play, and to see the Oil play can only help him develop his North American game. It is a fairly different for Europeans coming over also as the speed and congestion of the game is quite an adjustment. Most spend some time in the AHL to get their heads around it, could have been the one mistake that the Oilers made with him, especially the fact he came late to camp due to the embassy strikes.

As far as I remember, the KHL also has fewer games and they are spread out a bit more so there is a small chance that as the wear and tear of the season goes on, he may have been a bit exhausted and started making little mistakes. It's a logical possibility.

I cannot believe that I am defending Eakins here, but the Belov not playing for a few games kind of makes sense to me. There are far bigger, more baffling issues that the Oil have.

He is not playing because he is not an NHL defenseman. Do you really think if he was good he would have been in the NHL before he was 27. There's a reason he was playing in the KHL

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#5 BiG bOY pAnTs
December 08 2013, 11:21AM
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Eberles gotta go. He is the epitome of what is wrong with this team. Skilled, yes... But, no size, less heart. Can not back check, will not forecheck and has NEVER learned to play on the defensive side of the puck. This guy must think he's a pilot with all the flybys he's been doing. Is he allergic to the physical element of hockey ? He can take that crap to another team and see how it works out for him there. Time for some tough love, and tougher decisions.

And Gagner's even worse. Buy him out, send the message that this sissy hockey is no longer acceptable, and you can take that useless tit JSchultz with you please. What a disappointment this trio has been. Huge fail X 3.

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#6 Drowning in Oil
December 08 2013, 11:20AM
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I know everyone has a love affair with Hall, but come on people. He is a reckless player who loses the puck constantly. He makes bad decisions, and will be hurt again before the end of the season, that is a given. There are too many negatives with him to look past. Yes, he may score every once in a while, but it normally happens in games that are meaningless (last night being the exemption). I know people will cry saying that he has HEART, great, that is just great, but I want to see someone that is less of a liability on the ice than him. He scares the hell out of me when he has the puck........... But at the end of the day, Eakins loves him and Hall can do no wrong in his book so I guess nothing will ever change.

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#7 onlyoil
December 08 2013, 11:29AM
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oilers1168 wrote:

Yak is no duplication of Eberle. He is an explosive skater like a Hall. Loves to carry the puck, awesome shot, and has a physical element to his game. Eberle is soft and rarely found in a scrum. When Nail fills out he will be more similar to a Phil Kessel in physique and skill set.

Sorry bud, but Yak is not even close to Hall in skating ability, in fact he needs to pick up a step or 2.

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#8 27Ginge
December 08 2013, 10:56AM
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Hockey fan 1976 wrote:

Wonder who would win between the Oil Kings and Oilers if they played today? Lol or the Women's Olympic Team and these clowns?

Oil Kings would keep it within a dozen. Women's team would keep it within forty with good goaltending.

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#9 Curcro
December 08 2013, 12:57PM
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I love how everyone is turning on Eberle... Let's get real here for a moment. The Oilers trade Eberle he will become a star on another team, and then you all will be crying about why we traded Eberle.

Eberle's game is NOT the tough physical in your face stuff. He is apparently doing what he has asked to do, as he does not find himself on the bench. He is a winger like Hall; like Perron; and his defensive responsibility is on the perimeter.

Personally I don't understand getting rid of Eberle and keeping Hemsky. (Unless trading Eberle gets you a 1A Defenseman)

I think you look at guys like Gagner & Smyth in the forward unit. When was the last time you saw Smyth in the defensive zone? Gagner has not been playing well - he is being outplayed by Arcobello.

But if you want to look at the real problem with the Oilers it is defense, the Oilers only have 2 1/2 to 3 NHL Quality Defensemen, Petry (injured) Ference, J. Schultz (1/2)and possibly Belov as another 1/2.

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#10 Geoff
December 08 2013, 09:11AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Remember when Wayne predicted Gagner to be the next captain?

Now that was some funny $hit.

Hindsight is always 20/20 lol

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#11 Hockey fan 1976
December 08 2013, 11:15AM
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TUE, 10 DEC 2013 HURRICANES OILERS Carolina Wins THU, 12 DEC 2013 BRUINS OILERS Bruins Makes road kill of the Oilers FRI, 13 DEC 2013 OILERS CANUCKS Man vs boys part II SUN, 15 DEC 2013 OILERS DUCKS See Bruins TUE, 17 DEC 2013 OILERS KINGS See Ducks THU, 19 DEC 2013 OILERS AVALANCHE Revenge by Avs SAT, 21 DEC 2013 BLUES OILERS See Canucks MON, 23 DEC 2013 JETS OILERS See opening game of the season FRI, 27 DEC 2013 OILERS FLAMES Ok we might win this one!!! SAT, 28 DEC 2013 FLYERS OILERS See Blues TUE, 31 DEC 2013 OILERS COYOTES Didn't we get spanked 6-2

So in conclusion. Our remaining potential record in Dec will 1-10. Merry f@&$! Christmas everyone!!!!

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#12 Smokey
December 08 2013, 01:00PM
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Alot people woke up grumpy. For once I feel like the voice of reason.

I can't believe people wanna rip on Hall for 4 points in 2 games and a game tying goal last night. I guess he has to score a hattie every night. Someone said bench him...okidoki

Then people are railing on Eberle. He's only just sitting outside the top 30 in scoring and has a relatively decent plus minus. Personally I think his defensive limitations are magnified by this system, and bad goaltending Not the problem in Edmonton. Don't get this trade talk.

Justin Schultz. This team is a bad team with him, an aweful team without. Forced to play 27 minutes last night because this team lost Petry. He was not the problem.

Yak last night. Shot differential tells.the story. 12 for 0 against, but plays 13 minutes. Guy's hitting more then anyone else lately.

The problem's are coaching and the PP. Pp is jekyl and hyde. The shorty last night was brutal. Not enough crashing the night going for rebounds. Gagner is just a floater. I use to defend him but I won't anymore. And this team thinks its adult rec league. Did anyone go after the guy who smoked Petry? I don't remember.

My untouchables are Hall, Eberle, RNH, Schultz, Nurse. I'm not giving up on Yak but you gotta have pieces to give. You got Yak, Gagner, Klefbom, Hemsky, Petry, and a first overall to bring either a second line center or top 2 defenseman. If you can't do that then keep building.

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#13 DoubleDIon
December 08 2013, 01:31PM
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Are you guys seriously talking about healthy scratching Hall? Did you watch a different game then me? You'd never win again without Hall. He's the guy who drives the play north and generates the offense.

I'd trade Monahan for Hall in a heartbeat. Wouldn't even consider it for any of your other players. Gagner, Yakupov, Hemsky, Eberle and "I'm too good to play for Anaheim" all deserve some pine. Hall, Nuge and Perron give effort consistently.

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#14 srbuhr
December 08 2013, 03:35PM
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@DoubleDIon

"Are you guys seriously talking about healthy scratching Hall? Did you watch a different game then me? You'd never win again without Hall. He's the guy who drives the play north and generates the offense"

Did you watch the game. Hall was atrocious, Yes he scored the tieing goal but can be given due credit for an 0-6 PP. Play died on his or Gagner stick all night. Your right he takes the puck north to the blue line to turn it over south. I think you need to watch a real hockey team play, then maybe you will understand good teams and good players don't do this.

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#15 6 ring circus
December 08 2013, 07:50PM
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Oilerz4life wrote:

It was on Sportcenter. Why you gotta be a douche about something YOU got wrong?

Your calling me a douche because I didn't know the were a bout's of Tambellini,tell me how do you go through life making no mistakes, you must be perfect,go apply for a job as Kevin Lowe's ASSistant. I am sure the two of you would get along just fine.

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#16 Klima's Mullet
December 08 2013, 08:21AM
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"I bet Craig MacTavish is edging closer to the second option. The Edmonton Oilers are going to finish last with Jordan Eberle, Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Sam Gagner and Justin Schultz, they can sure as hell finish last without them."

Wow, never thought of it from this angle...still think it's too early to trade RNH or Yak. Hall should not be traded...he is a franchise player.

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#17 Spydyr
December 08 2013, 09:43AM
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If Katz won't fire Lowe and it is pretty obvious he won't.

Mac-T should fire Eakins bring up Nelson as interim coach or go behind the bench hinself.Then send one of the three Assistant coaches down to OKC to run that team if he goes the Nelson route.

In the summer hire an experienced NHL coach to either help out Nelson if he works out the rest of the way or to coach the team himself.Either way for the love of all things Oil let the new coach hire his own assistants.

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#18 Chet134
December 08 2013, 11:48AM
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This franchise is in big trouble and if they dont make significant trades, they will be in the running for Connor Mcdavid next year. Other than Nurse they don't have another blue chip prospects. Maybe kleffboom. They have a bunch of maybes in there farm system. No assets to trade in the farm. Dont expect any significant UFAs To sign in edmonton cuz we suck. Were a deep hole. Hemskys contract is up this year and the most they are going to get for him via trade is a second round draft pick. Thanks Tambo. Yak has a lot of potential but really doesn't have a high trade value. So We will have to wait a couple years and let him mature. What are we left with. The worse defense in the league and no tradable assets. We can hold onto Eberle, hall and the Nug however fans u better expect another dismal season next year. There is no stat out there that talks about winning battles, compete level or heart. That is in a players DNA and u can't teach that. We are soft team. Perron maybe Hall are the only players with that DNA. We don't have those players in our system so we have to draft those players which means another 4/5 yrs of developing.. Fans have to realize that we have trade an asset to get one in return or expect another dismal season next year. Reallity check

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#19 steveb12344
December 08 2013, 08:40AM
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@Batfink

"But that aside, what I found unforgivable last night was the lack of effort."

This team is so talented that they make 52 SOG look effortless!

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#20 steveb12344
December 08 2013, 09:11AM
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Batfink wrote:

High quality shots from low in the slot were they? Or kept to the half-boards, impossible angle, low percentage efforts. Lames did well to keep us to the outside and collapse in and 'PROTECT THIS HOUSE' when needed (I believe it's written on the wall of the players tunnel). We just didn't want it enough. Perron can't do it all. Any bunch of idiots can (and apparently did) phone it in from stupid angles because they can't/won't go to the tough areas when needed. Beaten by grinders, man, grinders.

Edit: I acknowledge we hit the iron twice. There's a reason it's not counted as a SOG. As my old pappy used to say, close only count's in horseshoes, holding hands and hand grenades. Might be the mental toughness, because of taking almost scoring as a positive and piling it on, the heads went down because they DIDN'T score. Big difference.

First of all I said the team was talented. I didn't say they were awesome.

I don't care where the shots come from. Outshooting your opponent 52-33 will win you the game far more often than not. If this was not the case than I guess Corsi must be a completely useless stat.

Even with the OT loss, The Oilers are still 6-3-1 in their last 10. That's 13 points gained in their last 10.

In the west only SJ,and LA have more in their last 10. In the East just Pitt, Mtl and Bos have more.

I realize (sadly) that the season didn't start only 10 games ago, but I still feel at least a little better knowing that they have been tied for the 6th best record in the league over the last 10.

I fully agree that this team has serious issues, and is still far from a finished product. I just don't think it's time to get all apocalyptic about it.

Just a little different perspective.

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#21 Spydyr
December 08 2013, 10:23AM
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Naky wrote:

Last night was another prime example of Dubnyk keeping the game winnable behind a team completely disinterested in helping him keep the puck out of their own net and yet again they didn't reward him with a win for all their supposed offense and all their non-stop cheating to try to get it.

Games like this is why I get so mad when people crap over him because it's games like this that people don't remember. It's just a loss. Guess he should have stopped them all so we could have won 1-0. Clearly his fault. At least that's how it'll be remembered and it's the height of crap.

Nobody ever remembers that it was the collective mess in front of him that couldn't do much of anything to help both offensively or defensively and it's been like this for two or three years now. Even when they get the offense on the scoreboard, their defensive play was such a mess to get that offense but fans don't care because, hey, they got 4 or 5 on the board man. They did what they were supposed to do, right? Bull. Hockey's more than putting the biscuit in the bag and always has been.

But at least people are starting to see it now. Looking beyond the shot totals and the numbers on the scoreboard and assuming that a good game was played by all, or at least I hope so. Because it hasn't been pretty for a long time now and I'm really getting sick of watching it.

Okay I will play along with your logic.

If Dubnyk has made that not crazy difficult save in OT the Oilers might have came back and won the game.

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#22 onlyoil
December 08 2013, 11:00AM
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If it was me, Hall, RNH and Nurse, are the only untouchables everyone else can be traded. This team seems to play Hemsky hockey, they all like to fly around like Barbra Ann Scott as Pat Quinn put it so eloquently. Maybe they should lower their status and compete in a puck battle, grunt it out a little bit, finish your check once in awhile. Gags would be sitting till he learns to compete in the neutral zone and the d zone for the puck. Turns over the puck then he puts it in coast mode in the d zone, he should be busting his freaking ass off to make up for his bone head play. But I guess getting the puck back in the d zone is the dmans problem. What a joke. If I was MacT I would care about his verbal " No Trade" withs Gags as much as he cares about his d zone coverage. What could we get for Gags, J.Schultz, and this years 1st at the trade deadline or draft day? Assuming the 1st is top 3.

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#23 Brian
December 08 2013, 06:01PM
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Am I still banned ?

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#24 Oilerz4life
December 08 2013, 06:41PM
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6 ring circus wrote:

I already know the answer to these question's and so does every other Oilers Fan, our problem unfortunately Katz does not!!!

If Keven Lowe was fired by the Oiler's is there another team in the NHL stupid enough to hire him,in any capacity other than a water boy?

If Mactavish was fired by the Oiler's as their GM, would any other team hire him ? (how does he go from being fired as our head coach 4 years ago no other NHL team hiring him as a coach and then he comes back to the Oiler's as General manager !!!!)

Can Scott Howson get a job anywhere else in the NHL, where Kevin Lowe isn't his boss?

If Steve Tambellini was such a good General manager (that's what Kevin Lowe said and it was his decision to hire him) why hasn't he been hired anywhere else in the NHL and will he ever surface again ? I had heard a rumor he went into the witness protection program.

If Steve Smith and Kelly Buchberger are such good assistant coaches,(they have been here now for 4 head coaches) why hasn't any other team hired either one for an Associate coach position or a head coach position in the AHL?

There is no need to wonder WTF is wrong with this organization, just look at the list above and tell me we aren't screwed until Katz does a complete overhaul of his management team.

Not trying to defend him, because I'm not a Tambellini fan, but he is working for another NHL team. He is now a scout for the Anaheim Ducks. Not that I disagree with your rant, but at least get your facts straight.

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#25 Spydyr
December 08 2013, 09:17AM
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Geoff wrote:

Hindsight is always 20/20 lol

No, actually I argued vehemently against it at the time. It actually disgusted me but thanks for coming.

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Proof :

#79 Spydyr August 28 2013, 06:27AM Trash it! 36 trashes +1 7 props Reply Edit

Sam reflects the current edition of the Oilers perfectly. He can't play defense, does not know how to play without the puck. Intimidates no one and is very easy to play against.

So all in all a nice fit

117 Spydyr August 28 2013, 10:22AM Trash it! 20 trashes +1 3 props Reply Edit

Comparing scoring eight goals in a nothing game to winning five Cups is like comparing Milly Cyrus shaking her a$$ to Pink Floyds The Wall. One is great the other fluff.

It is a real insight into this edition of the Oilers when most fans here approve of the new captain being Sam. Is he the best the team has to offer?

Now that is a sad state of affairs.

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#26 Fresh Mess
December 08 2013, 09:33AM
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Fail and Schultz are on entry contracts so they should be in the AHL learning how to play a complete game. Gagner needs to be traded away. Those are the three worst culprits.

Hemsky needs to go yesterday. I agree Eberle and Hall have been given a free ride by Eakins. It's hard to scratch someone who has been producing offensively, but I think Hall should sit out a game. So should Eberle, but Hall has consistently been the worse of the two and scratching him would send a loud message to the team.

Scratching Arcobello for 5 games is a perfect example of what is wrong with this team. The manager and coach play favourites rather than rewarding merit.

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#27 John Chambers
December 08 2013, 09:45AM
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Schultz Jr is an infuriating player. His ego must be enormous from the Gretzky courtship.

Gagner, Schultz and our pick to NYR for Girardi, Brassard, and their pick. We pay whatever it takes to sign Girardi, play Brassard in a C / W role.

Problem solved, I swear.

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#28 Spydyr
December 08 2013, 09:51AM
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John Chambers wrote:

Schultz Jr is an infuriating player. His ego must be enormous from the Gretzky courtship.

Gagner, Schultz and our pick to NYR for Girardi, Brassard, and their pick. We pay whatever it takes to sign Girardi, play Brassard in a C / W role.

Problem solved, I swear.

I would not trade the lotto pick.

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#29 Puck_In_Throat
December 08 2013, 04:32PM
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I will apologize for the length of this post in advance. The error that the Oilers have made is a simple one, but it continues to be made:

They have handed the reigns of the team to players who were too young and had no veteran leadership.

1. Hall and Eberle have lived together from day 1. Major recipe for disaster. Logic tells you that and 18 and 20 year old living together with a combined income of +5M will be a problem.

2. Fast tracking players to the NHL creates a myriad of problems (Hemsky, gagner, cogliano, nilsson, schrmep, Hall, Eberle, Nuge, Yak, J. Schultz, Petry).

2a) They do not learn to play two way hockey (see Arcobello for a prime example of what having to earn your ice time does).

2b) they have unhealthy egos

2c) they earn WAY too much money too soon (j. schultz for $3.75?!?! Hall and Eberle for $12M combined?!? I would rather have Tatar and Nyquist from Detroit for $1.8M combined). This creates a salary cap issue.

3. Lack of veteran leadership means that young players learn bad habits. Anyone who has tried to quit smoking will tell you that bad habits are very hard to break, sometimes impossible.

4. Lack of success means that other young players are pushed in too early, perpetuating the problem.

If the Oilers had been REALLY serious about the "rebuild", they would have kept Eberle in the AHL for a few years, left Pajaarvi in Sweden and then in the AHL for a bit, etc. etc. etc. Sure, we probably should have kept Hall as an 18 year old, but could the Nuge not have benefitted from another year of Junior? Don't forget, by returning the Nuge and Yak to Junior, we would have delayed their salary increases by not burning a year of their contracts.

Good GMs and well-run organizations (CF: Detroit) make the hard decisions that are right for the player and team long term. Bad organizations cannot see past the 1 year horizon, which is why the Oilers have made the same mistake with

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#30 TV6
December 09 2013, 03:25AM
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6 ring circus wrote:

Wow !!! We have someone here following the whereabouts of Tambellini he has such a major role with the Anaheim ducks that he even isn't listed on their staff directory!!!! Maybe I should of put when will he get another job as a General manager after him and Lowe basically set the Oilers back how many years because of there incompetence?

@ Big Pussy...

I must say, it's more than a little ironic when you mention "incompetence", especially when you can't even spell the difference between "there" & "their"...

As for your earlier points...

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"If Mactavish was fired by the Oiler's as their GM, would any other team hire him ? (how does he go from being fired as our head coach 4 years ago no other NHL team hiring him as a coach and then he comes back to the Oiler's as General manager !!!!)"

#1. > MacT was hired by the Knucks & was the Bench Boss for the Chicago Wolves, not to mention that he was interviewed by the Flyers & the Wild for their Head Coaching gigs.

"Can Scott Howson get a job anywhere else in the NHL, where Kevin Lowe isn't his boss?"

I would tend to argue that the G.M. gig in Columbus is "another job in the NHL", but what you think is obviously a different type of thought process altogether...

"If Steve Tambellini was such a good General manager (that's what Kevin Lowe said and it was his decision to hire him) why hasn't he been hired anywhere else in the NHL and will he ever surface again ? I had heard a rumor he went into the witness protection program."

As per what was posted before... Tambo works for the Fowl now, & the last time I checked, it's not his gig to "update" their website. Even the Oilers website still has some updates to do since Eakins was hired.

"If Steve Smith and Kelly Buchberger are such good assistant coaches,(they have been here now for 4 head coaches) why hasn't any other team hired either one for an Associate coach position or a head coach position in the AHL?"

Buchy already HAD a Head Coaching gig in the AHL. & Smith was a scout with the Hawks & a Asst. Coach with the Red Menace before as well... Plus Smith was hired by the Oil in 2010. he was not even in the organization when Quinn was the Bench Boss. But don't let that stop you from talking out of your ass with your "facts".

At least try to do a little homework before you go off on Professionals that you obviously know pretty well nothing about.

Fair enough..?

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#31 oilers1168
December 08 2013, 10:38AM
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@Soup

Yak is no duplication of Eberle. He is an explosive skater like a Hall. Loves to carry the puck, awesome shot, and has a physical element to his game. Eberle is soft and rarely found in a scrum. When Nail fills out he will be more similar to a Phil Kessel in physique and skill set.

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#32 6 ring circus
December 08 2013, 04:01PM
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I already know the answer to these question's and so does every other Oilers Fan, our problem unfortunately Katz does not!!!

If Keven Lowe was fired by the Oiler's is there another team in the NHL stupid enough to hire him,in any capacity other than a water boy?

If Mactavish was fired by the Oiler's as their GM, would any other team hire him ? (how does he go from being fired as our head coach 4 years ago no other NHL team hiring him as a coach and then he comes back to the Oiler's as General manager !!!!)

Can Scott Howson get a job anywhere else in the NHL, where Kevin Lowe isn't his boss?

If Steve Tambellini was such a good General manager (that's what Kevin Lowe said and it was his decision to hire him) why hasn't he been hired anywhere else in the NHL and will he ever surface again ? I had heard a rumor he went into the witness protection program.

If Steve Smith and Kelly Buchberger are such good assistant coaches,(they have been here now for 4 head coaches) why hasn't any other team hired either one for an Associate coach position or a head coach position in the AHL?

There is no need to wonder WTF is wrong with this organization, just look at the list above and tell me we aren't screwed until Katz does a complete overhaul of his management team.

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#33 Spydyr
December 08 2013, 09:16AM
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Lowetide it is nice to see you finally coming over to the darkside.

We have a team the competes , stands up for it's teammates , does not take a shift off, backchecks, crashed the net, gives it better then they are getting it.Knows that a goal prevented is as important as a goal scored.

The team might even have a legit #2 centre a top pairing defence and a goalie that makes the other team not shoot unless they have a very good scoring chance instead of shooting from anywhere and everywhere.

To get to the darkside Mac-t has to to trade a few duplicate skill set players.Such as Gagner Hemsky and Eberele.J Shultz has no fight in him he can go too.

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#34 JJ
December 08 2013, 02:50PM
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I think it's time for everyone - all of you to find another team to follow and cheer for. The best you'll get with this team is perpetual disappointment. Look at where Colorado is, this lies all on the management.

I'm a Canadiens fan now. I suggest everyone else hop aboard. In fact, unlike last year where losses would be disappointing, I don't have a reaction anymore.

The respectable part about the Habs organization is, once they missed the playoffs in 2011/2012 and became dead last in the conference, management was cleaned out. That sends a clear message of accountability. If you're not going to get results, your ass is out the door. And then they won their division the next year and are currently tied for first in the conference despite having wee Davey Desharnais, an undrafted player as their first line center. Because management knows how to win there, and they only accept winning cultures. But Klowe and co. don't, despite what their delusions would have you to believe.

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#35 Oiler Al
December 08 2013, 03:47PM
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Last night was another prime example of Dubnyk keeping the game winnable behind a team completely disinterested in helping him keep the puck out of their own net and yet again they didn't reward him with a win for all their supposed offense and all their non-stop cheating to try to get it.

Games like this is why I get so mad when people crap over him because it's games like this that people don't remember. It's just a loss. Guess he should have stopped them all so we could have won 1-0. Clearly his fault. At least that's how it'll be remembered and it's the height of crap.

Nobody ever remembers that it was the collective mess in front of him that couldn't do much of anything to help both offensively or defensively and it's been like this for two or three years now. Even when they get the offense on the scoreboard, their defensive play was such a mess to get that offense but fans don't care because, hey, they got 4 or 5 on the board man. They did what they were supposed to do, right? Bull. Hockey's more than putting the biscuit in the bag and always has been.

But at least people are starting to see it now. Looking beyond the shot totals and the numbers on the scoreboard and assuming that a good game was played by all, or at least I hope so. Because it hasn't been pretty for a long time now and I'm really getting sick of watching it.

Think you are confused big fella..... it was the Flames goalie that was the No. 1 star, not Dubnyk.

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#36 Oilerz4life
December 08 2013, 07:24PM
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Wow !!! We have someone here following the whereabouts of Tambellini he has such a major role with the Anaheim ducks that he even isn't listed on their staff directory!!!! Maybe I should of put when will he get another job as a General manager after him and Lowe basically set the Oilers back how many years because of there incompetence?

It was on Sportcenter. Why you gotta be a douche about something YOU got wrong?

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#37 brackenbury
December 08 2013, 10:24PM
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Relax people. If u were b ing honest with yourselves Did u really think this team in THIS DIVISION would B a playoff team this year? Pleeeeeeze! Their is a ways To go. But they have played better hockey of late.

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#38 brackenbury
December 08 2013, 11:16PM
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@Puck_In_Throat

I didn't think the oilers played awful last night( am I drinking The copper and blue kool aid ? ) anyhow, Gagner is coming back from a serious injury. Let's cut him a little slack. He has Been a good soldier in his time here. I wonder if a few of the "WONDERKIDS '' r even tradeable with their fat contracts? I know the oilers have been very high on KULIKOV for a couple of years now. Would he help? Also, let's give MACT A chance. Admitedly he has made some mistakes. But he also Got Dallas to take horcoff, and pulled off a heist getting PERRON. Pretty shrewd bringing in the BRYZ also. AS far as Klow ...... he needs to b gone! If nothing more than to please Our fan base. Obviously he is useless in any adminastrative Capacity

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#39 Wintoon
December 08 2013, 08:00AM
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I detest 'broad street bully' hockey where intimidation is the key tactic. I much prefer skilled hockey being on display. Having said this, I do expect a team to be competitive. If, occassionally, that means dropping the gloves then so be it. Dropping the gloves however is certainly not the key component of competitive. Current edition of the Oilers either needs to find a different level of compete or they need to be traded. LT has stated it beautifully and succinctly.

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#40 non descript
December 08 2013, 08:47AM
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wow. almost sounds like the eternal oiler optimist is pissed this morning.

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#41 -30-
December 08 2013, 08:52AM
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With a season where there is nothing left to lose but pride what harm can be done by doing the "Petry" to a few of the top liners who are constantly cheating, giving the puck away or being lazy?

David Perron is setting an example of hard work that Ryan Smyth was supposed to when he was re-signed. Remember how the optimist in us was hoping that Smyth would show the youngsters how to work hard and get results?

Where did that go?

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#42 2004Z06
December 08 2013, 11:14AM
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First of all I said the team was talented. I didn't say they were awesome.

I don't care where the shots come from. Outshooting your opponent 52-33 will win you the game far more often than not. If this was not the case than I guess Corsi must be a completely useless stat.

Even with the OT loss, The Oilers are still 6-3-1 in their last 10. That's 13 points gained in their last 10.

In the west only SJ,and LA have more in their last 10. In the East just Pitt, Mtl and Bos have more.

I realize (sadly) that the season didn't start only 10 games ago, but I still feel at least a little better knowing that they have been tied for the 6th best record in the league over the last 10.

I fully agree that this team has serious issues, and is still far from a finished product. I just don't think it's time to get all apocalyptic about it.

Just a little different perspective.

A different perspective, or a different excuse?

On another note....looks like another sellout again last night!

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#43 oilcountyforlife
December 08 2013, 01:18PM
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Great posts, people. Here is my take on things

Management is $%#*@. They are content to sit with their superstar wimps and covet them like they are prima ballerinas (which they kinda are). Get rid of Buchberger, and Smith first and bring in some actual coaches with something new (read better) to teach these little boys.

Next time for three trades. In my opinion Hall, Eberle, and Perron are untouchable. There is no question, in my mind that we will finish in the bottom of the league, so let's start the rebuild (I just vomited in my mouth a bit) mid season. Time for some bundling....Shultz(either one) and Hemsky, Belov and Gagner, the Nuge and Nurse for thee excellent stud defensemen.

Watched the game last night on HNIC....when will our fans vote with their feet and their wallets to boycott these buffoons. I am an oiler fan for life, but I also am a realist. The formula is wrong, the coaching is bad, defense including goalie is atrocious, and our forwards just want to pass blindly and pad their numbers (upcoming contracts). I see no heart, no hustle, no effort by 80% of the team. I'm a big fan of guys with heart here is my list

1. Souray when he was committed 2. Pronger (see above) 3. Ryan Smyth 4. Perron 5. Arcobello 6. Crazy Train (He's fighting for his very existence out there)

Love it, hate it, I have cancelled my Bell Expressvu extras package with Sportsnet West....those dudes shouldn't also be making money on my suffering.

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#44 Harlie
December 08 2013, 01:30PM
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Why everyone heff to be mad?

The season was sewered in the first 10 games. The rest of this shmozzle is playing out to see who else end up in sick bay and what decision Stu "looking less magnificent everyday" McGregor is gonna make.

Relax. Coast a little. Eat a turnover. Watch some Darkwing Duck. Then rinse, reset, repeat.

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#45 T&A4Flames
December 08 2013, 02:47PM
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oilers1168 wrote:

Yak is no duplication of Eberle. He is an explosive skater like a Hall. Loves to carry the puck, awesome shot, and has a physical element to his game. Eberle is soft and rarely found in a scrum. When Nail fills out he will be more similar to a Phil Kessel in physique and skill set.

Soooooo.... He'll be built like the Michellin man or perhaps more like the Pillsbury dough boy.

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#46 Danger Pay
December 08 2013, 03:39PM
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Win, lose, Win, lose, Win, lose... I'm guessing the next game is a Win.

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#47 He who knows
December 08 2013, 04:08PM
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This organization is screwed up beyond belief. Such a soft soft team. No balls down there.

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#48 mayorblaine
December 08 2013, 07:54AM
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MacT needs to decide what he wants, dreams or reality. He better darn well know what he has.

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#50 a lg dubl dubl
December 08 2013, 08:28AM
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First off, Great choice LT, Amy Smart is a hottie!

I think, MacT trades Eberle and Shultz jr.

I'd hate to see Ebs leave*, and is better defensively than Yakupov, but to get what this team needs, Eberle starts the convo with other gm's. Yak is to much of a liability with and without the puck.

Shultz, he just looks disinterested in everything, kinda like Yakupov lol.

The Oilers need a shake up, this seasons done, time to steer the ship towards a better season for next year, next year its playoffs or bust.

*please don't hunt me down and hurt me Wanye.

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