SIMPLE, YET DIFFICULT...

Jason Gregor
December 09 2013 01:56PM

It is simple to see what Craig Mactavish needs to do, but it will be difficult to achieve; Get Better Players.

We can spend hours breaking down Dallas Eakins' system, goaltending, the powerplay or a plethora of other issues, but it always comes back to the same problem; a lineup lacking in NHL talent.

MacTavish didn't build this roster, but he is the man in charge moving forward and he needs to start adding players, especially defenceman, instead of shipping them out for future prospects. The Oilers can't afford to give away any more proven NHL players for another prospect or draft pick. They have enough young players, they need experience, size and most importantly some more talent on the blueline.

The harsh reality is that opposing forwards don't fear anyone on the Oilers blueline. Andrew Ference is the only one who is hard to play against. None of the remaining D-men will make a forward pay the price in front of the net or in the corner. The Oilers can't expect Martin Marincin, Oscar Klefbom or Darnell Nurse to be that type of D-man next season. If they do, then you can expect their playoff drought to extend to nine seasons.

The onus is on MacTavish to recognize this and do his best to rectify it. Find another trading partner like the St.Louis Blues, a team willing to part with an experienced veteran player for a younger, cheaper talent, and pull the trigger.

Everyone knows the Oilers aren't making the playoffs, but they currently have over $7 million in cap space so they can afford to take on some salary to make a deal work. MacTavish has already stated he'd be willing to move the 2014 first round pick, so we know he understands the need to inject experience rather than youth into his organization.

A team looking to acquire that pick will likely wait until the season is over and they know exactly what draft spot they are getting. If you traded the Oilers a solid player today for that pick, the value of the pick would decrease by June. I don't see that pick being moved until closer to the draft.

If MacTavish wants to improve his roster over the next few months, I see the following pieces as the most likely options to move:

Sam Gagner, Nail Yakupov and Ales Hemsky. They could move Jeff Petry, but they don't have much depth on the backend, so he wouldn't be my first choice.

Hemsky is a pending UFA, so he will garner the smallest return, however, he will have value at the deadline and his cap hit will be more manageable around the March 5th deadline.

Gagner needs to play better to increase his value. The Oilers and Gagner supposedly have an unofficial no-movement clause, however, this is a business and if a deal comes along that makes sense, I don't see why MacTavish wouldn't pull the trigger.

Yakupov will garner the most interest, and while there is some risk in moving a former #1 overall pick, there will also be significant interest in him because of his draft status. If you want a good player in return, you need to be willing to give up something.

I don't see Yakupov being a foundation piece of the Oilers; they already have forwards who will be that guy. They need to use him to try and acquire a solid piece to their blueline.

Regardless of who or when MacTavish makes a move, it is apparent this group of players simply isn't good enough to win. 

QUICK HITS....

  • I'm glad James Neal got suspended. His knee on Brad Marchand was incredibly cheap, and he deserved five games. Kneeing a guy in the head is gutless, not to mention idiotic.
     
  • Shawn Thornton has always been an honest player, prior to going after Orpik. What I found crazy about that play, is that we see guys punching one another with gloves on all the time and rarely do they get injured. It doesn't excuse Thornton for what he did, he deserves to be suspended, likely at least ten games, but every NHL player I spoke with regarding the incident was surprised Orpik was injured that bad from that gloved punch.
     
  • It is time Dallas Eakins sends a message to someone in his top-nine. The Oilers had way too many turnovers at the Flames blueline on Saturday, and many of them came from blind pass attempts, rather than putting the puck deep in the zone. The Oilers are entering game 32; the coach can't allow those types of plays to continue without consequences.
     
  • Martin Marincin has been good in his two games. He's averaged over 15 minutes a game, got some PP time and he's been sheltered properly. I'd play him again on Tuesday, but I'd be cautious of keeping him here all season. A small taste of the NHL should motivate him even more when he returns to the AHL, and especally during the off-season where he needs to work on getting stronger.
     
  • Bryzgalov practiced today as did Richard Bachman. Bachman will head to OKC the minute he is cleared to play, and it sounds like Bryzgalov is close to being cleared to play. Both Bryzgalov and Dubnyk are UFAs at the end of the year, and their play in the final 50 games should decide if either, both or none of them will be re-signed.
     
  • With three weeks remaining in the NFL season my Miami Dolphins are in the wild card mix. I'm surprised, considering their horrendous GM, but with games remaining against the Patriots, Bills and Jets, they have a very good chance of making it. 
     
  • Tyler Pitlick is heading back to OKC. He hasn't played a game since October 26th. Once he gets back in game shape, I wouldn't be surprised to see him recalled in January.
     
  • The OKC Barons have had 41 different players in their lineup, including 7 different goalies, yet the Barons are only one point out of the playoffs. With Bachman and LaBarbera close to being sent down, along with Pitlick's re-assignment today, the Barons should make a push for the playoffs over the next few months.

DAY SEVEN...MONTH OF GIVING...

On Friday we raised another $2,900 for our Derks Menswear package and the Oilers/Flames tickets. Thanks to Dan and Raja for their generous bids.

Today's package... THE VIP Experience...

  • Pair of Edmonton Rush season tickets. Gold seats, lower bowl.
  • A behind the scenes tour during one home game. You'll meet the coaches, players and the cheer team.
  • You and a friend will go on a road trip with the Rush to Calgary for a regular season game. You will travel with the team, stay at the team hotel, go to the game and have dinner with team owner, Bruce Urban. You will be invited to the after party as well.
  • You will get a meet and greet with UFC champion Georges St.Pierre on January 11th in Edmonton.

    You can bid today between 2-6 p.m. by calling 780.444.1260 or 1.800.243.1945. All the proceeds will go towards Santas Anonymous.
     

RECENTLY BY JASON GREGOR 

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#51 Young Oil
December 09 2013, 03:04PM
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To me, there's no way I'm trading the first round pick. It's very likely going to be top 5, and that's something that you can spend on getting a future quality two way 2nd line center (Draisaitl for example). If you trade it, you get pennies on the dollar.

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#52 They're $hittie
December 09 2013, 03:25PM
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RexHolez wrote:

Why is it always yakupov as the kid to trade? He's the only one with a physical edge and that elusive 1 shot scorer, not to mention his current value is the lowest it will ever be in his career! I'd trade ebs first everyday of the week, I'd argue ebs value will never be higher

Agree 100% and his contract is already creating issues for us.

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#53 Tikkanese
December 09 2013, 03:31PM
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Neal should have gotten more than 5 games. He could have broken Marchand's neck, let alone the almost guaranteed concussion from the knee.

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#54 S cottV
December 09 2013, 04:27PM
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I would agree anyone is tradeable if it addresses the problems.

Just some guys would be considered before others which is debatable, but - the reality is that MacT will probably be pressured to part with guys (in his opinion) that he would prefer not to - in order to get at solutions to the problems. My guess is that he will have his "big gulp" moments that will end up shock ing Oilersnation, as he agrees to future trades that will have to be made.

The problems,

Uncertain #1 goaltender

No legit 1st rotation d men

No legit veteran 2C - with leadership you can pin an "A" on, who represents 200 ft team oriented, take no prisoners - winning hockey.

General softness up front and in the back end.

Honestly - I cannot believe how soft this team is. Part of it is lack of leadership because some of our soft guys could be playing a lot less soft. Part - will never go away unless traded. Part you can live with, if in the vast minority.

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#55 Fresh Mess
December 09 2013, 05:20PM
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The same delusional fans who for years have defended Hemsky and Gagner are now defending their new lover Fail.

Yakupov is inferior to Eberle yet has just as much trade value. Trade him and let his "big personality" be another teams' headache. Otherwise send him to the AHL and teach him to play pro hockey. I was in favour of the Oilers trading that first overall rather than drafting Weird Al Yakupov. The Oilers won't win a Stanley Cup with Fail.

I agree that Hemsky has no value now until closer to the deadline due to his ridiculous contract. I also agree Gagner should go but likely has very little value right now.

If all three of those players go on to great things with other teams, good for them but it isn't going to happen in Edmonton.

Excellent entry Gregor. Good to see.

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#56 nina russo
December 09 2013, 06:15PM
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I for one am glad you are a pundit and not employed by the OIL. The franchise you seek exists elsewhere in this league -- Philadelphia.

I for one do not wish that type of club.

This team needs to use and develop the assets it has not sell them for a bunch of magic beans and hope the return is able to play here more than the year after they are traded here.

Develop what we have and stock what we don't. and watch this team grow. This squad should be better than Colorado this year, all things being equal. And two years from now should be better than Vancouver, Anaheim and San Jose; three years from now, better than LA, and competing with Chicago and Pittsburgh.

That's reality -- when forwards reach 25-27 they hit their prime, when defenders hit 29-31 they hit their prime and goaltenders when they are 31-33 (some earlier).

Why you want to sell these players for over agers is beyond me, though they may get you into the play-offs as a no.7/8 seed, they won't win you squat.

You need true depth, and that requires sustained growth over time, not a quick fix.

This team needs a coach that can "develop" players not "manage" them. What is lacking here is what hasn't been taught. If Colorado can do it with their squad, ANY team can do it.

The key is to do it consistently every year so that when these players hit their prime they are maximizing their potential ... otherwise you might as well just be Philly and try to buy your way to the final every year --- sell the gold to someone else and let them reap the rewards.

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#58 **
December 10 2013, 12:46AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Who said trade Yakupov for a 30+ D-man.

You trade him for a D-man who is 25-27.

You don't want to be like Philly?

You mean a team that usually is in the playoffs and contending? They traded away Richards and Carter, but you do realize they traded them for younger players, and bothRichards/Carter were in their prime at the time.

The Oilers would be like LA trading young players for an established NHL player. Smart trade.

Show me any proof or developmental scale that suggests accurately that the Oilers should be better than Ana, SJ or LA in 2-3 years?

You think the Oiler forwards are suddenly all going to grow 2 inches and put on 20-30 pounds?

Also, who is the Drew Doughty in Edmonton, or even Vlasic-like? Sorry man, Oilers won't improve that much in two years if you keep all the kids. It won't happen. Too small, too light and all too similar style of play.

I'd hope the Oilers don't wait two or three years for the kids to turn 25, because if they do, then that will be another 2-3 years without playoffs.

"You think the Oiler forwards are suddenly all going to grow 2 inches and put on 20-30 pounds?"

Well I got this email about this herbal pills that helps you grow 2-5 inches, it says it works for reals...

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#59 Danger Pay
December 09 2013, 02:27PM
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Management needs to address the faithful, Yet again, but this time with more specific's in mind. Like being a contender when the new arena opens or making the playoffs' before the last season at Rexall. Something, anything, let us know what the franchise's new re-build, or re-build 2.0 or rest button (whatever you wanna call it) plans are.

Being left in the dark, with no clue when to expect winning, is driving everyone but me crazy.

I knew before this season started that this Oiler team was still 2-3 years away, so I'm doing my best to enjoy the development of the team. What IS driving me crazy, is the faithful's negativity and lack of patience (especially after loses). This will only lead to more, letting NHL players go for more magic beans.

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#60 2004Z06
December 09 2013, 03:54PM
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But if you trade Eberle, Won't Hallsy be pissed?

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#61 RJ
December 09 2013, 04:25PM
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I wish the Oilers would stop sucking at some point. Im sick of cheering for nice scores, becuase their meaningless.

PS: Nuge and Larsen need new helmets, I don't like how small their heads look. It makes their preteen heads look like preteen heads

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#62 BLAKPOO
December 09 2013, 06:54PM
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nick wrote:

Ask MacIdiot why he traded Smid. If he was honest, which he isn't. he would say because I don't like him. It was strictly personal with MacT and that is so sad. He gave away one of the true Oilers because he didn't like him. MacTavish is without a doubt the worst GM in the league. There is a very strong rumor within the NHL that there is a group of 12 to 15 GM's that will not deal with MacTavish and Lowe. Kind of makes sense seeing that trades cannot be made. As for the trading of Smid, shame on you MacTavish, making the team you are responsible for worse because of a personal issue.

You seem pretty confident here, but it sure sounds like "make-believe". Sit in on a lot of MacT/Smid arguments did you?

Strong rumors are just as pretend as weak rumors. Hence the 'rumors' part. There isn't one GM in the league that wouldn't do business with another GM if it improved his team. If Burke and the Flames can do business with Lowe and the Oilers, I don't think anyone else will have an issue.

Trades aren't happening because MacT wants a key defensive piece. Those are usually overvalued by their teams, and not easily parted with this time of year.

Smid was traded because of his contract, his diminishing ice-time, and our 3rd line blue depth.

Also, Brossoit.

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#63 Bucknuck
December 09 2013, 03:14PM
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#ThereGoesTheOilers wrote:

I wonder if our 2014 first round and Eberle would net us the type of player our blueline so desprately needs.

Yes, it might be a bit of an overpay, but at this point with so much burgeoning talent up front and only a silver-lining on the horizon in Nurse, we can afford it.

I suggest Eberle simply because he's had longer to prove his trade value (unlike Yakupov), and I think you'd be hard pressed to say he has more upside than Hall or Nuge.

If you can get the kind of d-man we need back for less, then all the better.

considering where the Oil are in the standings, I believe that first round pick should have some significant value. Adding a first line winger shouldn't be necessary. Yakupov, Gagner or Hemsky should add enough value to make a deal work.

I'd hate to lose Ebs, Hall or Nuge. At this point I don't think Perron should be touched either. Some players are part of the solution going forward.

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#64 OilDieHard
December 09 2013, 03:44PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

He has four goals this year, and all of them are on the PP.

Watch Yakupov closely, he doesn't think the game great. He shoots the puck hard, but he is not as great a goal scorer as some think. IMO.

He doesn't put himself in great shooting positions often enough.

^if that's the case, we'd better package him up because other teams will notice this and we won't get diddly for him !

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#65 onlyoil
December 09 2013, 05:49PM
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Lowe Expectations wrote:

When I look at the other teams in the Oilers division, I can't figure out when this team will ever make the playoffs.

I think 3 years if either thing goes good. They are along way from making the playoffs, 3-4 players. 6-7 to be a good competitive playoff team. The top players are way to soft and young to compete anytime soon, they have no idea how hard they have to play game in and game out just to compete.

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#66 AdamfromOilfans
December 09 2013, 11:10PM
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Gregor, you have a blind spot with Yakupov, and seemingly always have. You keep comparing him with Eberle, forgetting that Eberle wasn't even in the NHL at the age Yakupov is.

I'm more concerned with the flaws in Eberle's game at 23 than I am with Yakupov's at 19. Both have some great offensive weapons, but the skill set on Yakupov is a little deeper. Yes, he looks confused out there, but he's clearly afraid to make a mistake this year, as the second he does, he's riding the pine. Guy has no confidence at all right now (something that the Oilers have to be in big part responsible for, having allowed a lot of rumours to run rampant for a time, making him a high-profile scratch early in the season when he was getting lots of shots, throwing him to the media wolves after the Larionov affair...There's definitely been poor player management there.

Eberle probably gets you more in a trade than Yakupov, and moving someone like him serves as a wake-up call to the inner circle on this team. There's a clique there that seems to believe they're infallible (in part because management keeps saying "we don't have the right mix", letting the team off the hook for poor performance). It's fine for media to talk about what the team needs, but management should work behind the scenes to improve the team, while encouraging the team to get it done with what they have at the moment, not with some vague promise that at some point we might have a better supporting cast and a number one defenceman. And if that inner circle believes that it's the defence's fault or the goalie's fault or the third and fourth lines fault, then they definitely need to be shaken up. It's not enough for them to score goals. They have to take responsibility for the losses too or they're never going to lead the team anywhere. Right now, I don't think that's the case.

Examples? Eberle to Jack Michaels when asked "Why is the penalty kill doing better recently?" - "Well, it sure helps when your goalies are making the saves back there."

Hall to Bob Stauffer on Yakupov and Larionov-Gate - "We sure didn't expect him to come out and say what he did and he really brought the spotlight on himself there. It really became the sole focus of that whole practice and even in to the next game. I don't want to say that's the reason we lost, but..."

These guys are pointing fingers at their teammates right now, which is not leadership. There's a sense around this team that there's a group of cool kids who can do no wrong in the eyes of management, coaching and themselves, and there's a group on the outside who bear the brunt of the criticism from coaches, media and even in some cases their cool kid teammates. It's unhealthy and something has to give.

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#67 Spoils
December 09 2013, 02:24PM
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Nash, NYR, NJD, Flor, PHI, Buf have the worst G/G stats.

Nashville has Weber and Jones. Maybe they would part with Josi?

What about Del Zotto or McDonaugh in NYR?

These teams need offence. Maybe we could package something up like our 1st rd pick, Hemsky, some cap space for D.

Could you get Brodin for Yak?

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#68 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
December 09 2013, 02:33PM
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Yakupov for Gudbranson. Maybe him and Barkov would work well together. The Oilers sure don't have a clue how to use him.

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#69 pkam
December 09 2013, 03:52PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Please explain why you would move Eberle ahead of Yakupov, other than he has more value.

What does Yakupov do better than Eberle, that would help the Oilers win in the future. I don't see one area of Yakupov's game that is better.

If we want to win now, then I agree the obvious choice to trade Yak over Eberle.

If the plan is to win in a couple of years, then we have to determine who will be a better player in a couple of years, another factor is how much can we get from the trade now.

If we don't expect to win now or next year, and we believe Yak can be as good as, if not better than Eberle in 2 years, then the obvious choice is to trade Eberle now, because we will get better return for Eberle than Yak now.

Buy low sell high instead of buy high sell low. Of course, it assumes accurate projection from our pro-scouts and management.

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#70 bazmagoo
December 09 2013, 04:57PM
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Personally I think MacT just needs to do whatever it takes to get a #1 d-man on the roster. I think it will likely take either Yakupov or Eberle, I think RNH and Hall are likely off limits due to their position. Eberle and Yakupov both play the same position, so it's probably a matter of how we get a #1 d-man for either of them.

I think the #1 pick will definitely be in play next draft or before, because it'll be high and a tradeable asset.

I'm thinking it's likely nothing happens until the end of the season, except for the inevitable sell off of assets at the trade deadline.

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#71 BAWS
December 09 2013, 06:10PM
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Gagner plus Yak plus 2014 #1 = Shea Weber.

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#72 NJ
December 09 2013, 06:29PM
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Yakupov vs Eberle being moved.. this is easy.

Eberle: You know exactly what you have and what you're giving. Right now, I would suggest his value is more than anyone on the team except for Hall and RNH. He is the definition of what we have enough of on this team. He's also buddy buddy with Hall and shipping him out of town might send the (proper) message that if you play like butter AND don't play defense, hit the road. Also, the kid-line REALLY needs a good kick in the nuts to get em going.

Yakupov: Is a mystery. He hasn't played 82 games yet. But we know he tries hard. He will hit, and he'll push back. Put 15 lbs of muscle on him and bring him along with some level of forgiveness and who knows what he could be? Probably not Stamkos, but maybe a Neal? Write it down. Yak WILL surpass Eberle in every way. First seasons are almost always a write-off, and sometimes 2nd seasons. It'll be interesting to see how Yakupov plays in the last half of the season.

This year is shot... why rush out to get rid of anyone or anything. The right deal will come and we have probably 12 months to make it.

Next. Weber is not going anywhere. Eberle, J. Shultz and our first might not get Weber and if it did, it would be too much. Eberle for Jones (Seth). Maybe you do that deal. You DEFINITELY do a J. Shultz for Seth Jones deal though... and maybe Nashville goes for it based on their lack of offense AND on the fact that Shultz might learn to play defense playing with Weber.

Gagner could be a #2 centre IF he played defense better. Maybe he just needs to give his head a shake... but he also needs a BIG winger if he is our #2. If MacT can find that somewhere, great. If not, you might as well ship Gagner before his NTC kicks in.

Finally: Hemsky's value is maybe a 3rd round draft pick or prospect. If the summer didn't teach you that, you'll never learn. Nobody wants his cap hit unless they run into serious injury trouble and are pushing for a playoff spot come deadline.

Sorry for the wall of text.

/rant

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#73 nick
December 09 2013, 08:42PM
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Batfink wrote:

Buzzzz! What is Florida? Queue Jeopardy music...

oh wow, Sorry your answer is wrong, Alex |Trebek just buzzed you out. Florida's blue line is head and shoulders better than the Oilers. They actually have a number one defenceman along with Gudbranson, Kulikov, Gilbert. Oilers have, well the Oilers have NOBODY. For god sakes they are playing a 5/6 guy in Ference as a number 2 Ha ha that in itself is a joke

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#76 pkam
December 09 2013, 02:30PM
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It is simple to see what the Oilers needs from Jason Gregor, but it will be difficult to achieve; Have a new baby every time the Oilers play.

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#77 S cottV
December 09 2013, 02:55PM
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Agree with JG - Gagner, Yak and Hemsky to be used as trade bait.

Yak because he still has a #1 pick aura about him and would generate a lot of box office interest in certain markets, to use as leverage.

Would also add J Schultz and a first round draft pick to that mix. His offensive up side will still attract interest and leverage but the longer you watch this guy - like we have, the more you start to doubt that he will ever really become a reliable player.

In return, a solid 2C and a first pairing d man.

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#78 2004Z06
December 09 2013, 03:45PM
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What ever happened to the Eberle to Philly rumor for Wayne Simmonds and Brayden Schenn?

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#79 Wil
December 09 2013, 03:53PM
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I think it's nice the Oilers have acquired these assets, but I think that's how we as fans have to look at them. Tradable pieces in order to get an upgrade for the team.

The only question is what do you get back that makes this team better.

In that respect I think anyone is tradable on this team. It's nice to have some continuity and identity, but what I'd rather have more is a team that makes the playoffs.

I like Hall, I like Nuge, I really like Perron. After that, I'd certainly look to give up one of our right wings for either big returns on the blue line or down the middle.

As this article mentions, if Mac T can turn a project like Magnus into the immediate help that is Perron, then maybe there's a team out there willing to take Yak to save cap space, hopeful they can turn him into a star, and give up a big contract and big veteran talent in return.

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#80 They're $hittie
December 09 2013, 03:59PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

But if you trade Eberle, Won't Hallsy be pissed?

I know this is sarcasm, but for the people that think it is real, do you not think that maybe now that they are men they would like to achieve stuff themselves and not be linked only to each other. Maybe both would be happy apart but winning hockey games. It should be pretty apparent to them by now that they are not going to have a dynasty together here in Edmonton until they learn defense and how to play hard every night. And even than still wont.

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#81 Smokey
December 09 2013, 04:09PM
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Freewheeling Freddie wrote:

First things first get Hiller from the ducks

Bryzgalov?

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#82 Toro
December 09 2013, 04:50PM
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I've been saying for awhile we need to get Shea Weber , and I honestly think Yakupov and next years 1st can get it done , possibly throw in another prospect but I think this is the type of trade we have to make, Weber is a game changer single hand and could win games for us by himself, I honestly think his addition would make us a contender with a couple extra moves.

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#83 oilerman53
December 09 2013, 05:49PM
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The Oilers will most definitely be sellers at the deadline this year. Gagner, Hemsky and maybe even Smyth can be playoff rentals and all the talk about Hemsky no garnering much of a return is all Eastern bias. There will be teams looking for a secondary scoring punch will be willing to part ways with a decent prospect or maybe even a first rounder at the eleventh hour. With talk of the salary cap going up to at least $70-72 million for next season. Hemskys contract, Smyths money and potentially Gagner off the books. The only substantial pay raise being the Nuge and maybe Petry if hes here. I see the Oilers trying to make a major splash during free agency.

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#84 **
December 09 2013, 06:37PM
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I used to be a boxer. I think Orpik got injured because when you're down (you can see how the ref protects a boxer when he goes down because of this) you can't absorb the blow. Usually when you take a punch you try to go with it, loosen up so you kill part of the momentum. When you're down you're basically taking the brunt of the punch and the only thing that absorbs it is you neck whip lashing back and forth.

It was very stupid of Thornton to hit Orpik in that position. Having said that, if Orpik is going to run around crushing guys, he better be ready to drop the gloves.

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#85 Will
December 09 2013, 02:30PM
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I'd really like to see what it would take to get Giroux out of Philly. Holmgren is known for brash moves like that, and it seems almost every player is available at the right price.

With Philly having such a terrible season, I wonder if Eberle and a 1st round is enough to get him. Then Gagner could move over to whichever wing he was needed, and both Yak and a cheaper Hemmer could play on the right side in the top nine.

That would finally give us the one two punch down the centre we've been missing. With Gordon, Arcebello, and Lander as some nice 2 way depth options.

It still doesn't land us our much needed defence. But Giroux, Nuge as our one and two would be incredible. With that duo down the middle, maybe a free agent would be willing to head our way.

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#86 Freewheeling Freddie
December 09 2013, 02:58PM
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First things first get Hiller from the ducks

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#87 S cottV
December 09 2013, 03:40PM
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The other difficult part for MacT is that part of the solution will have to involve attracting free agents, to plug some of the holes.

For one thing it is difficult to attract free agents to the North Pole - as Bryz would describe it.

The teams track record and play - is not yet looking like a future winner and unless this starts to change, Free Agents looking for their first Stanley Cup, to close out an otherwise illustrious career - are gonna job search elsewhere.

Free Agents also look at Coaching to help decide where to play and I really think that while Eakins continues to look like a struggling rookie Coach - it will not help MacT's sales pitch.

MacT will probably have to pull "Ferrance like" free agent moves, to bring in local guys who wouldnt mind closing out their careers at home. Boumeester and Phaneuf come to mind, but probably years away - if at all possible.

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#88 They're $hittie
December 09 2013, 03:53PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

What ever happened to the Eberle to Philly rumor for Wayne Simmonds and Brayden Schenn?

Mac T killed it when they asked for Eberle. He wants to be bold but he will not trade 4, 14, 89, 93, or 64.

Dont see how anything else will be bold.

4 and 93 are untouchable. If you have anyone else on an untouchable list ask your self this; we havent won with this core, do you trade your best and most dominant player? do you trade a number one center you have been looking for for years?

Or do you trade the players who have value and are not the best at anything on the team. 14, 89, 83, 64, 26? That is how you maximize assets and mix it up.

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#89 bulldog12
December 09 2013, 06:11PM
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MacT knows and has been trying to get that #1 dman since he got the job. There's not many out there and there hard to acquire. The biggest problem with the Oilers is all there dmen are playing higher in the lineup than there capable of. Happened to Gilbert and now it's happening to Petry. Trade Yak Gagner Hemsky and the 1st round pick. What happens if you trade someone else keep Yak and he decides to go back to Russia because him and his agent decide he's not on the 1st line 1st power play unit or that hitting and back checking aren't part of his game. Let him go be someone else's problem.

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#90 S cottV
December 09 2013, 08:07PM
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The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33 wrote:

This is clearly Horcoff's fault. We could use that bastard right now. He was a good captain and the kids actually looked up to him. You suck Horcoff!

Yep - Horcoff, Smyth and Hemsky on the 3rd line would soon be the second line - maybe the first. They would do it on combined smarts, grit, character and some vintage skill. Also - to prove to the young guns that they have a lot of growing up to do. Oilers turned this team over too soon, to the young guys.

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#93 Oiler Al
December 10 2013, 05:47AM
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nick wrote:

Ask MacIdiot why he traded Smid. If he was honest, which he isn't. he would say because I don't like him. It was strictly personal with MacT and that is so sad. He gave away one of the true Oilers because he didn't like him. MacTavish is without a doubt the worst GM in the league. There is a very strong rumor within the NHL that there is a group of 12 to 15 GM's that will not deal with MacTavish and Lowe. Kind of makes sense seeing that trades cannot be made. As for the trading of Smid, shame on you MacTavish, making the team you are responsible for worse because of a personal issue.

Hey DNick, heres why Smid got moved:

1. Not a great skater 2. Terrible passer and puck handler 3. His hits were baby bear hugs. 4. Only time he cleared guys in front of net was after the whistle blew. 5. Tambelini overpaid for a # 5 defenseman.

Great shot blocker,,, but so are pylons.

As for GM rumor mill.... I heard rumors that Crosby wants to come to Edmonton.

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#94 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
December 09 2013, 04:03PM
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Zarny wrote:

There is zero chance Weber is on the move soon. Zero.

If you want to know why...go look at how much Nsh has paid him and how many games he has actually played under his new contract.

It's not going to happen.

The money he's been paid to date is in the past. Maybe that ownership group in Nashville would look favourably to getting out from underneath the remaining 82 million due over the remainder of that deal, no? Is there an echo in here, yes, 82 million dahlahs (a lot of cash to a small market team heavily dependant on revenue sharing) Zarny.

With Jossi, and now Seth Jones, maybe that's an option to help address their abysmal top 9 forward group.

If #99 can be traded, so can #6. Organizations often change their minds/direction, and rather quickly these days I'm sure. You're opinion is no different than the pre August 8th 1988 talk there Zarny. Some trades don't need to make sense. It could be just not wanting to be house poor anymore.

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#95 Smokey
December 09 2013, 04:06PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

The money he's been paid to date is in the past. Maybe that ownership group in Nashville would look favourably to getting out from underneath the remaining 82 million due over the remainder of that deal, no? Is there an echo in here, yes, 82 million dahlahs (a lot of cash to a small market team heavily dependant on revenue sharing) Zarny.

With Jossi, and now Seth Jones, maybe that's an option to help address their abysmal top 9 forward group.

If #99 can be traded, so can #6. Organizations often change their minds/direction, and rather quickly these days I'm sure. You're opinion is no different than the pre August 8th 1988 talk there Zarny. Some trades don't need to make sense. It could be just not wanting to be house poor anymore.

Seth Jones ain't going anywhere. Webber is not going anywhere.

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#96 pkam
December 09 2013, 04:14PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

The money he's been paid to date is in the past. Maybe that ownership group in Nashville would look favourably to getting out from underneath the remaining 82 million due over the remainder of that deal, no? Is there an echo in here, yes, 82 million dahlahs (a lot of cash to a small market team heavily dependant on revenue sharing) Zarny.

With Jossi, and now Seth Jones, maybe that's an option to help address their abysmal top 9 forward group.

If #99 can be traded, so can #6. Organizations often change their minds/direction, and rather quickly these days I'm sure. You're opinion is no different than the pre August 8th 1988 talk there Zarny. Some trades don't need to make sense. It could be just not wanting to be house poor anymore.

The only time Nashville will trade Weber is offseason. They pay him 13M signing bonus and 1M salary.

If they trade him now, they will pay him about 13.4M to play about 40% of the regular season. And who will buy their tickets for the rest of the year with Weber gone?

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#97 Blucifer Copperballs
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Who says Yakupov is considered to have a higher ceiling? Because he was drafted 1st overall? IMO That has no bearing now that both are in the NHL.

As for saying Eberle was protected and plays with great players, you do realize that Eberle, regardless of who he plays with, has produced chances and points.

I'm not opposed to trading Eberle, if the package is that good, but when I compare the two players Eberle is better in every facet, and I don't see Yakupov's hockey sense improving as much as it needs to be to be a better overall player than Eberle.

Time will tell.

Right on, JG. Yakupov is a PP specialist, and right now only has a huge shot (one of the best, no doubt). But other than that, at this point in his career, brings nothing else to the team.

Trading Ebs over Yak is a crazy notion.

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#98 china town man
December 09 2013, 08:42PM
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As an oilers fan it is frustrating To watch our oilers play ! Don't know Which team is going to show up and play.

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#99 Zarny
December 10 2013, 09:55AM
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nick wrote:

Better skater than Ference, Better passer and puck handler than Ference at least he could clear a body unlike Ference. Speaking of over paying for a #5 D-man how about over paying for a #6 D-man in Ference and adding in a NTC. Now there is a bold move. Guess Ference isnt even a pylon because he can't block shots. Oh ya, he won a cup ha ha Penner won 2

LMAO!

Sorry but Smid was not a better skater than Ference, a better passer than Ference or a better puck handler than Ference.

That's ridiculous.

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#100 BleedOil4Life
December 09 2013, 09:37PM
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@Toro

For the last time...they are not trading SHEA WEBER

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