2013 DRAFT TAKES: TOP 15 (OILERS PICK INSIDE!)

Lowetide
February 20 2013 05:14PM

Russian Valeri Nichushkin is the big climber in our third look at this year's top draft eligibles, and we're far enough into the season to list the top 15. What does that mean? We can project the Oilers 'draft window' and what might be available. Top 15 after the jump.

If the season ended today, the Oilers would draft 11th overall. The top of each season's draft usually goes close to form, with one or maybe two sliders (Filip Forsberg last year, famously Alexei Cherepanov and Angelo Esposito in 2007).

  1. D Seth Jones: There's just too much. Big, strong, skilled, massive wingspan, tough, physical, can do it all. I am a believer in taking the forward over the defender UNLESS we're talking someone who is aces across the board. Jones looks to be such a player. Previous Rank: 1
  2. L Jonathan Drouin: Since our last update not quite one month ago, he's gone 8, 10-10-20 for Halifax and is absolutely blowing away the competition (now 39, 34-48-82 for the season) in terms on points-per-game. I don't know that he'll go 2nd overall (his teammate could go #1) but this is an outstanding resume.PR:2
  3. C Nathan MacKinnon: Based on the scouting services I follow MacKinnon will definitely be the first forward and could be first overall at the draft. I move two players above him based on (Drouin's) offense and (Jones') wide range of elite skills. No slight against MacKinnon, he's an outstanding prospect. PR 3
  4. C Sasha Barkov: A big strong center Bob McKenzie compared to Dale Hawerchuk and that's a lot of skill. A strong World Juniors has some saying he's the best Finnish prospect in over a decade. Skating issues have been mentioned in some scouting reports but it doesn't seem to be a major issue (he's highly ranked on the major lists like McKenzie and Pronman.PR4
  5. L Valeri Nichushkin. An exceptional World Junior tournament has the hockey world talking about this big winger. Pronman: "Nichushkin has a ton of upside between his elite skating, his great skill level, and a good power game. He has been playing in the KHL at 17 and had an impressive World Junior showing." PR8
  6. C Sean Monahan: He's enjoyed a solid showing since the last time we looked at the 2013's (7, 6-5-11) and honestly I'd be thrilled if the Oilers acquired him. Team Canada coach Steve Spott on Monahan: "his hockey sense, in my mind, is at a National Hockey League level right now. He has elite hockey sense. He is just one of those players who can play in any situation - 5-on-5, 5-on-4, on your [penalty kill]. Sean has that innate ability. He is going to be an elite NHL player. There is no doubt about that." He is a little shy offensively compared to the kids above him, that's the reason for this rank. PR 5
  7. L Anthony Mantha: This guy is going to be a player based on the numbers. Now at 45 goals in 57 QMJHL games, he's gone 10, 7-4-11 since our last update. Pronman: "Mantha is an intriguing package of tools as he is 6'4'' with good speed, a heavy shot, and offensive instincts. I wasn't all that sold on him last season, but he has developed well over the last six months or so."  PR 7
  8. D Rasmus Ristolainen: Impressive young defenseman already playing in the SM-Liiga. Craig Button: Rasmus has very good offensive skills with an excellent shot. He jumps into the attack and even initiates the attack if he feels it's necessary. He will play physical, and if he makes contact, you are fully aware of that as an opponent. When the game becomes challenging and the moments important, he is ready, willing and capable of taking a leading role to make a positive difference. A player who is more than capable of being a top defenceman. The description 'workhorse defenceman' comes to mind when you assess his potential. Previously Unranked.
  9. C Elias Lindholm: Has slowed down offensively since January, but remains a quality prospect. Roger Ronnberg (Sweden's coach at the WJ) sums up the player thusly: "He has the smartness and he has the grit to play--he has the most important combinations and that is both the will to compete and the smarts to be a really good player." PR 6
  10. L Hunter Shinkaruk. I know, he's an undersized winger. However, this kid is really putting on a show. 6, 4-7-11 since the last update, he's going to force someone to step up and take him despite the size issue. Corey Pronman: "Shinkaruk is a dynamic offensive player who is a unique skater with high-end hands and finishing ability. He is a little on the small side, though." PR 10
  11. D Darnell Nurse. Fast riser and Craig Button tells us why: Big, strong and competitive and he imposes himself on opponents. Very strong skater with quickness, agility and balance that he uses very effectively to close on plays defensively and to move play ahead and out of his defensive zone. Has really developed his offensive game and he shows the capability of being a very well-rounded and dependable player. The type who can 'log' lots of important minutes in a game and these are valuable players in the NHL. Previously Unranked.
  12. C Curtis Lazar: Oil Kings  Curtis Lazar  has been up and down the draft lists all winter, 32-16-48 this season. In his last 19 games, he's 17-4-21 while still playing a gritty, effective game. 6.0, 198. Pronman: Lazar is a plus skater with a similar amount of two-way work ethic. His production this year has caused mild concerns, but he remains an above-average but not a great offensive player with an upper tier shot. Previously Unranked.
  13. D Josh Morrissey: Highly ranked because of his skating and puck moving ability. Morrissey is a great example of the "new NHL" defenseman: good speed, excellent at moving the puck and solid defensively. Corey Pronman: "Morrissey is a really fun player to watch due to his skating and offensive ability. His only real issue is that his physical game is just okay, leading to questions whether he can be a really effective defender." PR9
  14. L Alexander Wennberg. Craig Button: Can play all three forward positions. Excellent skater who has a free and easy stride with excellent quickness and a change of pace is capable of keeping defenders on their heels. He can open up ice and space for himself with his skating. In traffic, he has the ability to 'slice' through tight areas and with very good balance, can be difficult to deter. Previously unranked.
  15. D Ryan Pulock: Liked this kid from the start. Good offense (50, 14-28-42) from the blueline and a good size/speed combination for the blue (6.01, 211). WHL from Above: Smooth 2-way defender with a bomb of a shot. Button: Very steady, effective and efficient player. His strength is founded on an overall game that is consistent and dependable. Very good puck skills that is augmented by an outstanding shot. Very good vision and awareness and he creates offensive chances. He plays with poise and logs all of the important minutes for his team and he plays with a calming influence.Previously Unranked. 
  • Pronman is such a great resource, his stuff is a must read for draft followers. Latest is here.
  • Bob McKenzie has the inside scoop every year, he is the Bible. You could use his final list in the first two rounds every year, draft bpa and come out looking like a genius. Don't tell Columbus.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

For the Oilers, I think Lazar will be tough to pass over if he's available when they pick. There should be several quality defensemen in that area (the Finn and Nurse are all over the place depending on which scouting service you're reading) and someone like Mantha may fall to them.

The Oilers will not be selecting a Taylor Hall, a Nuge or a Nail this summer. However, the player they get in the first round won't be a bum, either.

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#1 Randy
February 20 2013, 05:16PM
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Oilers will pick a small winger.

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#2 fifthcartel
February 20 2013, 05:29PM
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If the Oilers draft a winger I will be absolutely choked.

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#3 MarcusBillius
February 20 2013, 05:34PM
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Normally I'm very excited to see these, but this year I hoped not to really care who was available 12th overall.

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#4 season not played
February 20 2013, 05:38PM
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If they don't draft another small skill winger how will they ice a third flash and dash line that produces nothing at even strength next season?

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#5 gr8one
February 20 2013, 05:39PM
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Speaking of bum's, that one is perfect.

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#6 gr8one
February 20 2013, 05:41PM
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@Randy

lol, you know what will happen is the Oilers will pick like 6th, Drouin will fall and we won't have a choice but to take him as BPA.

Oh the Hockey gods work in funny ways. lol

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#7 Randy
February 20 2013, 05:43PM
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@gr8one

I fear you maybe right.

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#8 Maggie the Monkey
February 20 2013, 05:43PM
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"the player they get in the first round won't be a bum, either."

Genius line, LT. Even by your lofty standards.

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#10 Toro
February 20 2013, 06:00PM
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ANYONE BUT LAZAR!!!

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#11 MarcusBillius
February 20 2013, 06:03PM
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@Lowetide

Drouin has gone supernova?

I wonder how he is at the other aspects of the game, the intangibles.

Like, I mean right now, if Jordan Eberle had 7 goals and 12 assists for 19 points, but was playing the way he is right now, I'd still think Taylor Hall is the better player. Damn the stats. Taylor is, to borrow a phrase, the straw that stirs the drink. Average gunman, but amazing playmaker (in the actually-makes-plays-happen sense, not the smart-passer sense.)

Is it the same way with Drouin and MacKinnon?

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#12 gr8one
February 20 2013, 06:08PM
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@Toro

I don't mind Lazar in the latter part of the first round but if we pick 20th or higher and take Lazar I will be very disappointed. 20-15th, slightly disappointed...anything after that and I won't hate the pick

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#13 Rama Lama
February 20 2013, 06:12PM
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I would move heaven and earth to move up and draft Nichushkin.......big and strong or Barkov.

Drafting Lazar seems all well and good..........but I would ask the Oilers is this the kind of player that will compliment our current roster? I never hear any buzz about this guy except from the Oilers, which is very concerning.

If there is a small fast player in this draft and the Oilers select him.........I'm switching teams!

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#14 Toro
February 20 2013, 06:15PM
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gr8one wrote:

I don't mind Lazar in the latter part of the first round but if we pick 20th or higher and take Lazar I will be very disappointed. 20-15th, slightly disappointed...anything after that and I won't hate the pick

I agree with you there but he definitely doesn't deserve too be rated in the top 15, It seems the Oilers have this crush on the guy though and wouldn't be surprised if they wasted a top 10 pick on this guy.

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#15 geno
February 20 2013, 06:15PM
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if EDM is picking at 12, I don't see why they should be picking Lazar. He's underproduced this year and could drop as far as 25. If EDM is picking at 12, I'd say they should pick someone along the lines of Adam Erne or Darnell Nurse. For some reason I see a smaller version of Backes when I see Erne. Nurse seems to have tremendous upside and I wouldn't mind the oilers having it.

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#16 DSF
February 20 2013, 06:44PM
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Speaking of Columbus, if the draft were held tomorrow, they would be picking #1, #8 and #13. (depending on the outcome of the lottery draw.)

With John Davidson and Magnificent Bastard Kelkalainen (he actually deserves the title), they are looking at a great draft to load up.

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#17 Chet134
February 20 2013, 06:54PM
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Lets stay consistant and draft a winger with lots of skill but soft. We are so far away from competing for the cup it's not funny.

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#18 Burger Baron 49
February 20 2013, 07:07PM
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I think Nichushkin on the left side and Yakupov on the right side would be a deadly combo on the second line. Do NHL teams put much stock into nationality and how they would fit on the team? For example if they had Nichushkin and Mantha as tantamount, would they select the Russian because of a possible fit with Yakupov? Assuming coming over to N.A was not a question.

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#19 bwar
February 20 2013, 07:15PM
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I would be happy with Nichushkin but beyond him please don't draft a winger. (Also I kind of hope we aren't drafting high enough for him to be available anyways)

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#20 Sliderule
February 20 2013, 07:21PM
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Wherever the oilers pick if there is a center that is at all close to BPA they will have to take him. We have a couple of young defenders in the system but no centers. Monahan or Lazar are probably who we pick.

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#21 jimbo
February 20 2013, 07:25PM
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Yannick gets 1 game hmmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbbKhSKU3D0

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#22 RexLibris
February 20 2013, 08:04PM
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It is February 20th and you are talking draft, LT?

What took you so long? ;-)

I'm not opposed to Lazar, if only because at this point he would be a complementary talent, rather than a foundational one, and has the ability to play a kind of game that the Oilers are somewhat lacking as a power forward.

That being said, a big center would be ideal. Kerby Rychel and Fred Gauthier are possible risers on the list that could fit that bill.

Whomever they select, this player, outside of MacKinnon or perhaps Jones, ought to spend some more time developing before getting into the NHL.

No goalies and no defensemen, unless they can get another 1st rounder by trade.

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#23 Hammers
February 20 2013, 08:08PM
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Well the way we are going I think we will fall in the 6-7-8 range but the one thing Tambo is Lucky at is getting a good pick ( His not so much a good GM ) A center so Mckinnon , Barkov or Ristolainen might fall to us . If we all live long enough we may see a team of 1st rounders.

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#24 Walter Sobchak
February 20 2013, 08:11PM
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Thank the Lord the season doesn't end today and the Oilers won't be picking 11th.

When the season ends you can be safe looking at 6-9 or if you want a safer range 5-10.

I'm still taking Barkov and any conversation about players after him doesn't fit the BPA or want, the Oilers absolutely need this player and have to do everything in there power to get him.

Most NHL ready prospect, Dominate center WILL be an upgrade on Gagner in his first year.

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#25 The Soup Fascist
February 20 2013, 08:12PM
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RexLibris wrote:

It is February 20th and you are talking draft, LT?

What took you so long? ;-)

I'm not opposed to Lazar, if only because at this point he would be a complementary talent, rather than a foundational one, and has the ability to play a kind of game that the Oilers are somewhat lacking as a power forward.

That being said, a big center would be ideal. Kerby Rychel and Fred Gauthier are possible risers on the list that could fit that bill.

Whomever they select, this player, outside of MacKinnon or perhaps Jones, ought to spend some more time developing before getting into the NHL.

No goalies and no defensemen, unless they can get another 1st rounder by trade.

Pretty sure Rychel is a winger. I like the kid and he may still be a good pick but not a C. Gauthier is interesting (warning: spell check tried to change his name to "gay thief" - good thing I proofed that one) in that he is a late developer, but has put up nice numbers and has great size. Would love to get Monahan, but I can't hope for a continued slide down the standings for the Oilers.

I don't know why but MacKinnon just feels like a potential underperformer. Maybe it is a case of a guy being # 1 so long everyone finds fault with him, but I think there are going to be a few guys potentially better than him in the draft.

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#26 Jeffff
February 20 2013, 08:16PM
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How many people here would trade Yakupov for Seth Jones?

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#27 Jasmine
February 20 2013, 08:23PM
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No matter who the Oilers draft, fans will criticize them for it. It's happened since 2000 so why would this year be different. I remember fans being upset in 2010 as they wanted Seguin instead of Hall. 2011 they wanted Larsson instead of RNH. Last year Don Cherry bashed the Oilers for drafting Nail instead of Murray. Cherry went on to say that the Oilers will regret not drafting Murray.

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#28 The Soup Fascist
February 20 2013, 08:26PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Thank the Lord the season doesn't end today and the Oilers won't be picking 11th.

When the season ends you can be safe looking at 6-9 or if you want a safer range 5-10.

I'm still taking Barkov and any conversation about players after him doesn't fit the BPA or want, the Oilers absolutely need this player and have to do everything in there power to get him.

Most NHL ready prospect, Dominate center WILL be an upgrade on Gagner in his first year.

Not sure any 18 year old is an automatic upgrade on Gagner. Especially a mid first rounder. Not sure what this guy has to do to get off your crap list. Maybe he will drop the mitts tomorrow, as top 20 in NHL scoring and tied for 5th in the conference isn't doing it.

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#29 geno
February 20 2013, 08:26PM
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judging by the above comments, I'm thinking EDM drafts a power forward this year. Adam Erne or Bo Horvat IMO are just what EDM's missing.

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#30 DSF
February 20 2013, 08:31PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Not sure any 18 year old is an automatic upgrade on Gagner. Especially a mid first rounder. Not sure what this guy has to do to get off your crap list. Maybe he will drop the mitts tomorrow, as top 20 in NHL scoring and tied for 5th in the conference isn't doing it.

How about this?:

"Just a horrible game on so many levels here. Sam Gagner put up a season worst -16 even strength Corsi, beating his own record of -14. He was on for 6 shots for, and 22 against.

Think about that.

Almost 4 times as many shots were taken against his net as he got off on theirs. And therein lies the contradiction of Samwise. The guy has the offensive talent level to complement great players and put up points, but his overall play this season at even strength has been extremely, unquestionably poor.

Out of the 15 games played so far, he’s had one of the worst three Corsi rates on the Oilers 8 times. I’m not sure what’s wrong with the second line, but it’s not working, and not having a serviceable second line will kill this team’s chances of making the playoffs."

http://www.boysonthebus.com/2013/02/19/game-notes-oilerskings-feb-19/

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#31 speeds
February 20 2013, 08:46PM
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fifthcartel wrote:

If the Oilers draft a winger I will be absolutely choked.

Who knows where they'll be drafting or who they'll end up picking, but if the Oilers do happen to draft a winger even though they are looking* to draft a C/D, it's probably a good sign they think they are getting really good value at that slot.

*assuming they are targeting a C or D.

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#32 The Soup Fascist
February 20 2013, 08:49PM
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DSF wrote:

How about this?:

"Just a horrible game on so many levels here. Sam Gagner put up a season worst -16 even strength Corsi, beating his own record of -14. He was on for 6 shots for, and 22 against.

Think about that.

Almost 4 times as many shots were taken against his net as he got off on theirs. And therein lies the contradiction of Samwise. The guy has the offensive talent level to complement great players and put up points, but his overall play this season at even strength has been extremely, unquestionably poor.

Out of the 15 games played so far, he’s had one of the worst three Corsi rates on the Oilers 8 times. I’m not sure what’s wrong with the second line, but it’s not working, and not having a serviceable second line will kill this team’s chances of making the playoffs."

http://www.boysonthebus.com/2013/02/19/game-notes-oilerskings-feb-19/

So many things wrong with this. How many games has Gagner been saddled with a raw offence-first rookie (yak) and a guy who goes through the motions at times in his own zone (Hemsky) ?

Look at the minus ratings of superior players like Tavares and Malkin. Nobody is looking to run them out of town. I certainly am not saying Gagner is the be all and end all but he is the best option the Oilers have right now and I do not see a centre in the 8 to 15 picks next year that are going to be an upgrade as a rookie. Do you?

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#33 DSF
February 20 2013, 08:55PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

So many things wrong with this. How many games has Gagner been saddled with a raw offence-first rookie (yak) and a guy who goes through the motions at times in his own zone (Hemsky) ?

Look at the minus ratings of superior players like Tavares and Malkin. Nobody is looking to run them out of town. I certainly am not saying Gagner is the be all and end all but he is the best option the Oilers have right now and I do not see a centre in the 8 to 15 picks next year that are going to be an upgrade as a rookie. Do you?

Probably.

Alex Galchenyuk:

2G 8A 10P +9.

6'1" 200.

Oh, what could have been.

P.S. Gagner is the problem on that line.

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#34 David
February 20 2013, 09:01PM
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Toro wrote:

ANYONE BUT LAZAR!!!

I am Lazar's biggest fan. Having watched him play many times he is the perfect player. He has good speed, good shot, good pass, hits everything that isn't wearing his teams jersey, can play a skill pretty play game and a gritty dump and chase game. He is an incredibly hard worker who is very good in his own zone. When his line turns the puck over in the neutral zone he gets on his horse to get back on defense. Watching him makes me think Mike Richards. I definately want the Oilers to get Lazar.

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#35 The Soup Fascist
February 20 2013, 09:04PM
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DSF wrote:

Probably.

Alex Galchenyuk:

2G 8A 10P +9.

6'1" 200.

Oh, what could have been.

P.S. Gagner is the problem on that line.

You are not listening or more accurately comprehending. The always bubbly Walter / Wes indicated the most NHL ready draftable centre in this years draft would be an upgrade on Gagner. I am saying that after the 1st couple centres, at best, their games will not be superior to Gagner's. I liked Galchenyuk too but alas he cannot be drafted this year. I am not sure he is a mensch in his own zone just yet either.

In terms of your PS, thanks. Now that you say he is defensively inferior to Hemsky and Yakupov, it must be true. I can sleep well.

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#36 OilerLand
February 20 2013, 09:07PM
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Fred Gauthier anyone?

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#37 DSF
February 20 2013, 09:11PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

You are not listening or more accurately comprehending. The always bubbly Walter / Wes indicated the most NHL ready draftable centre in this years draft would be an upgrade on Gagner. I am saying that after the 1st couple centres, at best, their games will not be superior to Gagner's. I liked Galchenyuk too but alas he cannot be drafted this year. I am not sure he is a mensch in his own zone just yet either.

In terms of your PS, thanks. Now that you say he is defensively inferior to Hemsky and Yakupov, it must be true. I can sleep well.

It's likely several of the centres available would be better than Gagner right out of the box.

As we've seen, Galchenyuk already is.

MacKinnon, Barkov and Monahan likely will be as well.

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#38 speeds
February 20 2013, 09:15PM
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David wrote:

I am Lazar's biggest fan. Having watched him play many times he is the perfect player. He has good speed, good shot, good pass, hits everything that isn't wearing his teams jersey, can play a skill pretty play game and a gritty dump and chase game. He is an incredibly hard worker who is very good in his own zone. When his line turns the puck over in the neutral zone he gets on his horse to get back on defense. Watching him makes me think Mike Richards. I definately want the Oilers to get Lazar.

What do you make of his lack of assists? It's pretty unusual to see a CHL F viewed as a top 10-15 pick with only 16 assists in 60 GP in his draft year. How are his passing, playmaking, hockey sense?

I'm not saying there's no reasonable explanation for such low assist production, but it is rare and I'm wondering if those who have seen him play a bunch can give their take on why his numbers are so low? It's not like this is a one year phenomenon either, he only had 11 assists in 63 GP last season (although he did post 11 assists in 20 playoff games last season).

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#39 Smokey
February 20 2013, 09:17PM
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DSF wrote:

How about this?:

"Just a horrible game on so many levels here. Sam Gagner put up a season worst -16 even strength Corsi, beating his own record of -14. He was on for 6 shots for, and 22 against.

Think about that.

Almost 4 times as many shots were taken against his net as he got off on theirs. And therein lies the contradiction of Samwise. The guy has the offensive talent level to complement great players and put up points, but his overall play this season at even strength has been extremely, unquestionably poor.

Out of the 15 games played so far, he’s had one of the worst three Corsi rates on the Oilers 8 times. I’m not sure what’s wrong with the second line, but it’s not working, and not having a serviceable second line will kill this team’s chances of making the playoffs."

http://www.boysonthebus.com/2013/02/19/game-notes-oilerskings-feb-19/

Yet he puts up points and everyone ignores the fact he's a Corsi and defensively challenged center. I love the guy but last night is emblematic of his season. He gets destroyed at evens, but scores.

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#40 The Soup Fascist
February 20 2013, 09:21PM
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DSF wrote:

It's likely several of the centres available would be better than Gagner right out of the box.

As we've seen, Galchenyuk already is.

MacKinnon, Barkov and Monahan likely will be as well.

That is where we have to disagree. Nathan Mackinnon would get eaten alive in Gagner's place. He could not play in the top 3 lines at the World Jrs. but suddenly he is lighting it up vs. Mike Richards or Ryan Getzlaf? Barkov is unlikely to play in the NHL next year. I like Monahan but I just don't see these guys playing like seasoned pros in their first year.

That is what makes RNH's rookie year so amazing. What is happening this year is more what I thought last year would be like. Hopefully this year is the anomaly.

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#41 DSF
February 20 2013, 09:24PM
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Smokey wrote:

Yet he puts up points and everyone ignores the fact he's a Corsi and defensively challenged center. I love the guy but last night is emblematic of his season. He gets destroyed at evens, but scores.

And loses.

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#42 DSF
February 20 2013, 09:27PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

That is where we have to disagree. Nathan Mackinnon would get eaten alive in Gagner's place. He could not play in the top 3 lines at the World Jrs. but suddenly he is lighting it up vs. Mike Richards or Ryan Getzlaf? Barkov is unlikely to play in the NHL next year. I like Monahan but I just don't see these guys playing like seasoned pros in their first year.

That is what makes RNH's rookie year so amazing. What is happening this year is more what I thought last year would be like. Hopefully this year is the anomaly.

That we have to compare a 5 year veteran who was picked in the top 10 with raw rookies is just pathetic.

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#43 David
February 20 2013, 09:29PM
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speeds wrote:

What do you make of his lack of assists? It's pretty unusual to see a CHL F viewed as a top 10-15 pick with only 16 assists in 60 GP in his draft year. How are his passing, playmaking, hockey sense?

I'm not saying there's no reasonable explanation for such low assist production, but it is rare and I'm wondering if those who have seen him play a bunch can give their take on why his numbers are so low? It's not like this is a one year phenomenon either, he only had 11 assists in 63 GP last season (although he did post 11 assists in 20 playoff games last season).

Well from when I've watched him, he makes good passes, makes the good play. The person he passes to doesn't always finish. I don't know why so few assists but I haven't seen him make bad reads.

He has scored again tonight. At this rate he could hit 40 goals playing second line minutes. He is on a tear right now.

I also forgot to say that he goes to the net and stands in front of the goalie on the powerplay. I was at the most recent game against the Prince George Cougars, he parked himself in front of the net and took crazy abuse. Five or six solid cross checks to the back, then a big punch to the side of the head. He just smiled at the guy.

Also plays the penalty kill. Had a short handed goal that game.

And coaches have labeled him a big game player. He always shows up in playoffs.

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#44 geno
February 20 2013, 09:39PM
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The only way they'll get a centre that'll replace and be an improvement over gagner, is if they tank and finish 27th. Look at prospects outside the top 6 for once guys ://

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#45 The Soup Fascist
February 20 2013, 09:39PM
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That we have to compare a 5 year veteran who was picked in the top 10 with raw rookies is just pathetic.

Lost me here, Sport. Sorry.

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#46 DSF
February 20 2013, 09:42PM
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@The Soup Fascist

Try this.

From LT's site.

The guy who is tracking underlying numbers.:

It’s actually kind of amazing that the Oilers have as many points as they have, considering how much they’re getting outshot and how terrible their even strength shooting percentages are right now.

They can thank their power play for that. Things will even out, but how this plays out in reality will be unpredictable in terms of game results. I feel myself getting pessimistic more and more over time (save for the COL game).

This may very well be the perfect storm to sell Gagner high. His underlying numbers are crap, but he’s got points coming out of his ass (mostly from PPs). It’s not like we’re asking him to carry a line with MPS and Omark, he’s got the best 18 year old in the world on his left and one of the most talented RWs in the league on his right. There is no explanation — the results just aren’t there. z

I’ve defended him for years as a fantastic complementary player, but if we have to sign him to a 5/$25M type of deal to reward terrible underlying performance we have a problem.

If you can engineer something to get ROR, this may be the first time I’ve been on board with trading Gags. I feel a bit dirty…. yuck.

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#47 The Soup Fascist
February 20 2013, 09:54PM
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DSF wrote:

Try this.

From LT's site.

The guy who is tracking underlying numbers.:

It’s actually kind of amazing that the Oilers have as many points as they have, considering how much they’re getting outshot and how terrible their even strength shooting percentages are right now.

They can thank their power play for that. Things will even out, but how this plays out in reality will be unpredictable in terms of game results. I feel myself getting pessimistic more and more over time (save for the COL game).

This may very well be the perfect storm to sell Gagner high. His underlying numbers are crap, but he’s got points coming out of his ass (mostly from PPs). It’s not like we’re asking him to carry a line with MPS and Omark, he’s got the best 18 year old in the world on his left and one of the most talented RWs in the league on his right. There is no explanation — the results just aren’t there. z

I’ve defended him for years as a fantastic complementary player, but if we have to sign him to a 5/$25M type of deal to reward terrible underlying performance we have a problem.

If you can engineer something to get ROR, this may be the first time I’ve been on board with trading Gags. I feel a bit dirty…. yuck.

Agree. Find a suitable replacement to help the team win and I am on board. My whole point, and this the last time I will say it, is Barkov, Mackinnon, et al are very unlikely to be an upgrade next year.

Bring in a big, tough, two way, offensively viable centre (since they grow on trees) and I will shake Sammy's hand and help him pack.

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#48 Chuckpuck5000
February 20 2013, 09:58PM
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MILA ... YUMMMM . go oilers

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#49 Ystoil
February 20 2013, 10:02PM
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3 pieces I'd use to improve the oilers roster is to sell high. Trade gagner, Hemmer and maybe klefbom.

Leave the 2013 pick if possible. I predict (if we make no moves) we will be picking at about 8 to 12. I'd look at mantha, gaiuthier, or maybe Monahan falls. Monahan or barkov are our ideal picks. I'm fine with lazar but maybe if he is available in the 20 to 30 range. I'd like to see us couple out two second founders to get another first perhaps. Pulock is intriguing too.

Obviously if we miss the playoffs I'm hoping for seth jones :)

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#50 speeds
February 20 2013, 10:04PM
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David wrote:

Well from when I've watched him, he makes good passes, makes the good play. The person he passes to doesn't always finish. I don't know why so few assists but I haven't seen him make bad reads.

He has scored again tonight. At this rate he could hit 40 goals playing second line minutes. He is on a tear right now.

I also forgot to say that he goes to the net and stands in front of the goalie on the powerplay. I was at the most recent game against the Prince George Cougars, he parked himself in front of the net and took crazy abuse. Five or six solid cross checks to the back, then a big punch to the side of the head. He just smiled at the guy.

Also plays the penalty kill. Had a short handed goal that game.

And coaches have labeled him a big game player. He always shows up in playoffs.

Thanks for the take, for what it's worth I liked his play when I saw him last year (haven't seen him this year). I do think it is pretty curious to see a highly touted F with so few assists in his draft year, but your take largely lines up with another I read elsewhere (unless this is you posting at HF as well?)

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showpost.php?p=60016127&postcount=483

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