SIGN THE MAN

Lowetide
February 26 2013 05:03PM

The Edmonton Oilers have to make a decision in the next few months on Lalislav Smid: sign him--buying free agent seasons at a premium--or let him go and attempt to find a less expensive solution. What is the better plan?

ZONE STARTS

We begin with zone starts. Coach Krueger is more about getting the skill lines into offensive situations than worrying about the defense in his own zone, so Smid's number here (mid-pack) likely has more to do with being Petry's defense partner (for the most part) than any attempt to get the strongest defensemen into the toughest situations.

Still, it is interesting to see the new hire Fistric getting the tough starts. With his skill set, that makes sense--he's the least likely skater to get a point based on pure offensive skills.

SHOT DIFFERENTIAL

Gabriel Desjardins: Corsi Number is the shot differential while a player was on the ice. This includes not just goals and shots on goal, but also shots that miss the net, and in some formulations, blocked shots. In other words, it's the differential in the total number of shots directed at the net.

We know from observing the current Oilers that the Corsi (shot differential) number is a negative (Hall, Eberle and the Nuge are the only + Corsi players on the club), and the graph here tells us that there isn't much difference between #1 and #3 on the list--they're all getting outshot handily. The Whitney number is the big one, both overall and in terms of CorsiRel.

Smid's number is a positive relative to the rest of the group.

TIME ON ICE

EVEN STRENGTH

  1. Justin Schultz 17:34
  2. Jeff Petry 17:04
  3. Ladislav Smid 15:54
  4. Nick Schultz 15:45
  5. Ryan Whitney 14:26
  6. Corey Potter 13:35
  7. Mark Fistric 12:44

A stay-at-home defender like Smid is valuable at even strength and on the penalty-kill. Smid is well inside the top 4D in this discipline, playing the "Jason Smith" minutes on the Oilers. I believe this is a slot he's capable of filling now and into the future, and based on coach Krueger's using him almost 16 minutes a night at even strength I think that's a solid endorsement.

SHORTHANDED

  1. Jeff Petry 3:59
  2. Ladislav Smid 3:40
  3. Nick Schultz 3:17
  4. Mark Fistric 2:52
  5. Corey Potter 1:47
  6. Theo Peckham 1:18

Smid's value shows here, the guy is playing big minutes shorthanded (9th in the entire NHL so far this season). His combined total (EV and PK) is a strong indication that the Oilers see him as being one of their most valuable players defensively.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Some decisions are tougher than others. No matter how the Oilers proceed with roster makeup plans, Ladislav Smid is vital to the blue. He is still young enough to be here when the team starts winning, he has a lot of experience he can pass along to youngsters who are perhaps overwhelmed by the leap, and he is (from all we know) a solid citizen.

Losing him would set back an already thin blue line and mean the club gets even younger defensively.

Sign the man.

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#1 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 26 2013, 05:49PM
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They should be pencilling Smid into the 3-4 LD slot for the next 6 years or so.

Give him term. Take the discount.

We made him. Don't throw away the rough years now that he is where we need him to be.

Any other decision is crazy.

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#2 david
February 26 2013, 07:01PM
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smid is 9th in the nhl in hits(60),10th in blocked shots(48). the oilers have the 4th best penalty kill in the league and a lot of that has to do with smid. i have never seen an interview where smid doesnt smile. hes up beat and great for the locker room. jones is also a guy whos solid on and off the ice. you need guys that make your team fun.

if you see LAs locker room they all seem pretty miserable except penner but they hate him.

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#3 Milli
February 26 2013, 07:15PM
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It would be complete and udder madness if they do not lock him up long term. He is and will be a very solid shut down type Dman. In the mold of the man called Gator, and if he becomes even close to what that guy was, we want him LONG term.

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#4 dwillms
February 26 2013, 09:34PM
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Latest contracts from comparable d-men I could find:

Colaiacovo (DET) 2 yrs x $2.5 mil/per

Klein (NAS) 4 yrs x $2.9 mil

Salvador (NJ) 3 yrs x $3.166 mil

Jackman (STL) 3 yrs x $3.166 mil

Oduya (CHI) 3 yrs x $3.375 mil

B. Allen (ANA) 3 yrs x $3.5 mil

Stuart (SJ) 3 yrs x $3.6 mil

Gleason (CAR) 4 yrs x $4 mil

Even with the cap going down, no way you will sign him for $2.5 mil. My guess would be between $3-$3.5 mil depending on term if you can lock him up before he gets to UFA.

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#5 Fatbob24
February 26 2013, 05:09PM
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FISTly, sign the man!

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#6 106 and 106
February 26 2013, 05:56PM
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He would command quite the 1st rounder or two if the Oil slink into the depths and for some reason Tambo decides to ship him out at the deadline.

And he's got a beauty for a girlfriend... wait a minute, ex-girlfriend???

http://www.playerwives.com/nhl/edmonton-oilers/ladislav-smids-girlfriend-amanda-vanderpool/

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#7 a lg dubl dubl
February 26 2013, 07:10PM
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Kinda off topic but LA traded Simone Gagne back to Philly today for a 3rd round pick, I guess that could be used as a comparable for Whitney, except for position, both are early 30s having a brutal year and both coming off injuries and dont fit with thier team anymore.

As for Smid, Id sign him to 3.5/4yr. Imo he's the backbone of the defence til Shultz jr rounds more into form.

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#8 John
February 26 2013, 05:21PM
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Im a big fan of Smid. He's the warrior needed on the back end. But what is he worth? Without point production he's hard to value.

Should he be getting Nick Schultz type money ($3.6M) or should he be getting Matt Greene type ($3M)?

He seems keen to play in Edmonton long term, so any 4-5 year deal at $3M average would sit well with me. But that's only a $750k annual raise from today.

Give him $4M+, I fear the fans will have a Horcoff-level of disgust in no time.

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#9 Hayek
February 26 2013, 05:44PM
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It all comes down to price and term. He is only a 2nd/3rd pairing guy, and paying him for more than that, restricts us from having salary cap space to sign others on the roster.

He's a solid defender, however there is risk that people base the assessment on him on last year, which was a career year for him. We should pay for expected performance, not peak performance. This year he has looked far weaker.

The risk on this team is not being able to fill his hole in the lineup if he goes UFA. However, signing defensive defencemen is a somewhat easier task in the NHL. I believe there will be many other comparable defenders available that also have superior offensive ability, or puck moving ability.

I would not give him a deal more than 2 years, and not more than $3M/season. It's not that I don't value him as a player, but if he wants too much, let him walk, and go out on the UFA market to replace him.

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#10 Russ99
February 26 2013, 05:52PM
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The FA crop of defenseman is weak this summer, I'd sign Smid now before some team offers him the moon.

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#11 DSF
February 26 2013, 07:09PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

That 1 million per yr overpay on Hall and Eberle will bite the Oilers in the arse and prevent them from keeping one of these support players.

He's not a top 3 d'man (on a contending team), so why should the Oilers pay him like one?

3 yr, 10 million absolute max if he'll stay.

Want to bet they overpay him?

I'd wager they give him $4M/year for 4 years.

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#12 DSF
February 26 2013, 07:50PM
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david wrote:

smid is 9th in the nhl in hits(60),10th in blocked shots(48). the oilers have the 4th best penalty kill in the league and a lot of that has to do with smid. i have never seen an interview where smid doesnt smile. hes up beat and great for the locker room. jones is also a guy whos solid on and off the ice. you need guys that make your team fun.

if you see LAs locker room they all seem pretty miserable except penner but they hate him.

Smiling in the locker room is far more important than having a Stanley Cup ring.

Those poor, pathetic Kings.

P.S. No one hates Penner.

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#13 misfit
February 26 2013, 09:48PM
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I'm a huge Smid fan and have been really impressed with how his game has developed over the last couple of seasons. Definitely gotta sign the man.

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#14 The Oilers Shot Clock
February 27 2013, 02:13AM
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I block many shots with my face. I pass the puck to many people. Sometimes I pass puck to boards, much easy. I look away from Avery and then shamefull act. I'm not scared of the powerful play, but I'm not so good with. I demand 73 000 000 crowns and I pass the puck to Nail very much...or boards, Nail has much fast. He go get.

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#15 Spydyr
February 27 2013, 08:19AM
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Lock him up. The team spent years getting his game to the place it is at now.

If you let him walk in the summer for nothing , well that is just abysmal asset management.

He is the type of player you need to win in the playoffs. He is close to the core age.

This should be a no brainer.

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#16 Junk
February 27 2013, 08:42AM
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Smid needs to be signed. He wants to be in Edm, his wife IS from Edm, and I suspect he even takes a hometown discount to stay. Although this would have been more if they just talked to him in the offseason. The problem with the organization is there lack of knowing how to deal with the players. When a player wants to stay here and wants to sign long term how do you not have the conversation with him? The keep alienating the players and turn them off from wanting to stay. Year after Year. 4 yrs at 3.2 would be perfect. Just get it done.

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#17 Spydyr
February 27 2013, 10:50AM
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Couldn't agree more. Smid will be traded at the deadline. The simple fact of the matter is on a contending team a player like Smid only fits into the third pairing and he will be asking top 4 salary. Kruger and Stauffer have both stated that in order for a team to be competitive the top 4 all need to be able to move the puck. So unless they talk with Smid and tell him in the long term future he only fits as a 3rd pairing guy and they can only offer him that pay maybe for a lot longer term however, he will be moved.

The way I see it at least a couple D men need to go. N.Schultz is better suited for 5/6th D duty as well. The only players I see as top 4 D are J.Schultz and Petry. Having a 5/6/7 of Smid/Schultz/Fistric and or Potter just doesn't make sense. Someone will be moved and Smid will have the best return right now. Its a business people you gotta remember that. Smid and Hemsky could easily be used to get a top 4 if not a top 2.

Have you seen Petry play this year. Smid is covering his ass big time.

Just last game Hossa undressed Petry. Cost them a point.

Smid is the type of player you need to win the Cup.

The team spent years developing him. Then you say trade him away?

That is the Islanders rebuild model.

Do you think top 2 defensemen grows on trees? Every team in the league is looking for them.

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#18 geeker99
February 26 2013, 05:24PM
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i am not a stats guy, watch games and you sign this guy. i watched oil change and this leader should have a letter on his sweater. he gives encouragement during games but lets the team know when mistakes are not acceptable. sign him now and not at the end of the year when he has tambo over a barrel. like the Hemsky deal

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#19 Bubba
February 26 2013, 05:31PM
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Get it done. Let him go and get a less expensive option? Are whole D is an option but at least Smid is NHL calibre. We still need a legitimate number 1 but Smid is a great warrior.

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#20 DrunkGuyTy
February 26 2013, 05:52PM
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On a cup winning team, Smid would be a 4-ish d-man. He's definitely got value and I'd think we'd need him to be in the $3-3.5m range. I really hope he's on our blue for years to come.

*I ragged on him over the OT goal. Then realized I said he got pulled out of position because Petry already was. SMRT! I mentally changed my blame to Petry.

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#21 Oiler Al
February 26 2013, 06:32PM
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$ 3.0 - 3.2 million. On a contender and winning playoff team, Smid would at best be # 3 or 4. He's not a puck mover, not devastating hitter, etc.Give him term instead.

Check out salaries of top two players , many are in the $3. $3.5 range.

I think he's a keeper but at not some insane price. Tambi over paid for Dubnyk, when he didnt have to.

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#22 Quicksilver ballet
February 26 2013, 06:49PM
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That 1 million per yr overpay on Hall and Eberle will bite the Oilers in the arse and prevent them from keeping one of these support players.

He's not a top 3 d'man (on a contending team), so why should the Oilers pay him like one?

3 yr, 10 million absolute max if he'll stay.

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#23 Stealthwise
February 26 2013, 07:15PM
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Four to five years at four milll per season, if not slighly less

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#24 non descript
February 26 2013, 07:19PM
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part of the reason the oilers are a poor team and organization in general is they have a tendency to over value and over pay players. im not going to rip smid, i mean he is what he is, which is a shot blocking penalty killer who belongs in your third pair. unfortunately the oilers like to drop labels on players based on organizational need and desire rather than merit. you know, "shutdown center" or "shutdown d" and the like. anyway, this latest version, this "shutdown pair" of ladislav smid and jeff petry is just the latest version. last night in ot was a prime example, but notwithstanding that, can somebody please explain to me what exactly these two players are shutting down when they are on the ice? the oil should sign smid, but in the 2.5-3.0 range. otherwise a decent gm could probably find a better option for cheaper.

better book a smid overpay.

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#25 Walter Sobchak
February 26 2013, 07:36PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

That 1 million per yr overpay on Hall and Eberle will bite the Oilers in the arse and prevent them from keeping one of these support players.

He's not a top 3 d'man (on a contending team), so why should the Oilers pay him like one?

3 yr, 10 million absolute max if he'll stay.

I would say the same Quick, but I'm more inclined to believe that DSF is actually correct here.

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#26 Quicksilver ballet
February 26 2013, 08:05PM
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Want to bet they overpay him?

I'd wager they give him $4M/year for 4 years.

I can see why you're so pizzed off at everything Oiler under these two bozos DSF. They're running a gong show here it appears. They orchestrated this "losing is the best option" route, now they can't seem to turn the taps off.

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#27 Mikey
February 26 2013, 08:10PM
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Hayek wrote:

It all comes down to price and term. He is only a 2nd/3rd pairing guy, and paying him for more than that, restricts us from having salary cap space to sign others on the roster.

He's a solid defender, however there is risk that people base the assessment on him on last year, which was a career year for him. We should pay for expected performance, not peak performance. This year he has looked far weaker.

The risk on this team is not being able to fill his hole in the lineup if he goes UFA. However, signing defensive defencemen is a somewhat easier task in the NHL. I believe there will be many other comparable defenders available that also have superior offensive ability, or puck moving ability.

I would not give him a deal more than 2 years, and not more than $3M/season. It's not that I don't value him as a player, but if he wants too much, let him walk, and go out on the UFA market to replace him.

IN ONE PARAGRAPH YOU SAY DON'T LET HIM GO, BECAUSE IT WILL BE TOUGH TO FIND A REPLACMENT VIA FA. THEN YOU SAY LET HIM WALK AND FIND A D MAN THREW FA. WHY ONLY TWO YEARS? WHY NOT THREE MIL FOR 4-5?

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#28 Mikey
February 26 2013, 08:14PM
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DSF wrote:

Want to bet they overpay him?

I'd wager they give him $4M/year for 4 years.

Please no.

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#29 Hayek
February 26 2013, 09:14PM
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Mikey wrote:

IN ONE PARAGRAPH YOU SAY DON'T LET HIM GO, BECAUSE IT WILL BE TOUGH TO FIND A REPLACMENT VIA FA. THEN YOU SAY LET HIM WALK AND FIND A D MAN THREW FA. WHY ONLY TWO YEARS? WHY NOT THREE MIL FOR 4-5?

Did you even read what I said? I said that I would sign him, but must not overpay for him as it is easy to find replacements for him on UFA market at what figures to be a lower price if they choose to pay over $3M/season.

I wouldn't sign him longer term because he has way more downside than upside. Last thing the team needs 2 years from now is an untradeable contract when we are potentially ready to compete.

This is the salary cap era, value contracts allow you to spend more on the remainder of your team. Overpayments hurt the team, and the GM needs to be careful not to overpay players (especially role players).

Personally, I would be happy with 2 years/$2.5M per season. I could live up to $3M, but think that's a slight overpay. Anything over $3M/season, or 2 seasons is irresponsible.

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#30 Dog Train
February 26 2013, 09:32PM
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It would be a big blow to lose Smid at this stage of the game. He wears his heart on his sleeve and is a testament to the patience that is needed with young defensemen. We've put too much time into this player that it would be a shame to see him play the prime of his career anywhere else.

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#31 Reach Advantage
February 26 2013, 09:55PM
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Give him a raise. 2.75

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#32 Butters
February 26 2013, 10:10PM
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Sign him. He blocks shots, gives 100%, good team guy, good dman, and he is good at Corsi-whatever the hell that means.

Plus his wife is from here, yes?

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#33 etownman
February 26 2013, 11:26PM
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Not a big fan of Smid after the last game! He would fetch a nice return on the trade market! Like Fistric's game better, more bite to Fistric's game rather than the bark of Llady's!

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#34 Oil
February 26 2013, 11:32PM
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Smid is always trying to block pass with his body he is lying on his ass ... He is 5th or 6th dman on a very good team. Where was he last night against Chiago ??? He was lying down try to block pass Kane & Hossa scores while he is lying on the ice. Plz try to notice what he is doing when you watch next oilers' game. He is 2 to 2.5 million dollar player.

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#35 NewAgeSys
February 27 2013, 02:23AM
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geeker99 wrote:

i am not a stats guy, watch games and you sign this guy. i watched oil change and this leader should have a letter on his sweater. he gives encouragement during games but lets the team know when mistakes are not acceptable. sign him now and not at the end of the year when he has tambo over a barrel. like the Hemsky deal

I agree he deserves a letter, I say Gagner with the C and Laddy and Nuge with the As, let the rest develop competatively.

I cant help but think playoffs and who will bleed for the Oildrop and Laddy is the FIRST man I want from this Roster out there in gm 1 when the going is ugly and in gm 7 of the final in OT when everything is on the line.

Moving Smid from the top pair was a disruptive influence to our defensive chemistry. The fact of the matter is that Kreuger doesnt understand how to utilise his defense to catalyse his offense, he simply doesnt understand how the system he is trying to use works. We need to maintain integrity in our own zone under pressure the old fashioned way with stay at home d-men and ONE offensive weapon and we need to make defensive changes to our defensive zone exits, the zone exits are the key area and we DO NOT need to blow the team up in every area to improve and adjust in that tactical planning department.

Heres some hot news Ralph, this come from the NHS understanding of how ralphs system works, you are going to need to restructure your defensive format totally or you will be buried, we need a standup defensive base where we make our adjustments based off of stopping the neutral zone entry up high and not allowing the transition game to develop in our zone. kevin Lowe of all people should have seen this need evolving long ago, after all its what the old Oilers did as well and for the exact same reasons.

We need stay-at-home, tall, lanky, long reach tough d-men who can execute standup checks in the high d-zone and RECOVER consistanlty from those checks to maintain defensive zone integrity. Colten Tuebert will soon become real popular.We will need to readjust our forward support to enable this defensive evolution, Ralph is looking to activate his defensive scheme right now using speed instead of tactical manouvering, this means that gapping becomes a going concern and is transient, when we use a standup catalyst Gapping becomes a two-way street north/south instead of a four way street going in all directions on the ice, we need to eliminate the lateral movement ,learn to eliminate that playaction so we can simplify and speed up our defensive adjustments. We need to cut the defensive cerebral workload exactly in half, and not trade Whitney quite yet.

Whitney doesnt fit into an NHS system but the fact is that kruger is mismanagng an adjusted hybrid by trying to forcefeed it NHS tactics and core values, and it will not work, almost every western conference team has went to the adjusted hybrid and we are being beaten by our own system consistantly being outcoached when we have deeper rosters skillwise. If we keep this system then we will need Ryan because we will be forced to go to the standup defense to survive the NHLs adjusted-hybrid evolution. The Hawks are doing this stand-up evolution as we speak and it is working great. They were doing it to us int he 1st period effectively.

So far this season we have only seen Ralphs tinkering with Mac-Ts and Renneys exact system base. Remeber these words, "good defense creates good offense" and now heres the translated version NHS style, well transitioned and executed defensive zone exits allow proper neutral and offensive zone system execution. "Good" defense does NOT mean 'tighter' defense, it means more reactionary and accurate in its execution, if you mix up those interpretations you begin to tighten the defense and with the adjusted hybrid you choke out your own offense.

Exactly as Ralph has been consistantly doing, now he is trying to reinforce his base defensive concept and is moving players around and trying to tighten the defense up to stop the bleeding. He needs to OPEN the defense up via verticle adjustments as opposed to so many lateral ones defensively. Simplify not overcomplicate. Remove cerebral workload without losing performance but with gaining performance. Its not that hard to do if you understand how the defense activates the offense with this system. The defense DICTATES the offense long before we get anywhere near the o-zone with the system we use now. You can move Whitneys influences but the systems reliance on this need for a north/south focus and activation of the offense dynamic will remain, you will just need to find another way to satisfy it. This means mobile d-men who can play the game well laterally and verticlly to support the transitions we need to generate in the n-zone to satisfy Kruegers vison OR we need to lose the lateral focus and become a standup defense overnight like Mac-T tried to utilise. Ralphs vision is a hodge podge of NHS concepts mixed in with Ralphs huge database, but the NHS adjustments are catalysed from a system he doesnt understand enough about, he saw things he liked and tried to add them to a system that couldnt handle them. Ralph is trying to create a Franken-System that will look and do as he asks based on the parts he can stitch together instead of using a complete and naturally syncronistic approach.

All the good things Ralph has had sniffs of are coming from a different system than he is using right now. He can taste it, he knows there is a concept that eclipses the system he is using now, he just cant find this system in the NHL library, yet.

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#36 Hayek
February 27 2013, 02:50AM
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dwillms wrote:

Latest contracts from comparable d-men I could find:

Colaiacovo (DET) 2 yrs x $2.5 mil/per

Klein (NAS) 4 yrs x $2.9 mil

Salvador (NJ) 3 yrs x $3.166 mil

Jackman (STL) 3 yrs x $3.166 mil

Oduya (CHI) 3 yrs x $3.375 mil

B. Allen (ANA) 3 yrs x $3.5 mil

Stuart (SJ) 3 yrs x $3.6 mil

Gleason (CAR) 4 yrs x $4 mil

Even with the cap going down, no way you will sign him for $2.5 mil. My guess would be between $3-$3.5 mil depending on term if you can lock him up before he gets to UFA.

Just curious as to whether you think those are good contracts as I don't think I would be happy with most of them?

As regard to the salary cap, assuming it drops from $70.2M to $64.3M next year, that is an 8.5% drop. So when calculating an equivelent salary of of $3M this year would equate to a salary of $2.75M next year.

Players such as Jones, Gagner, and Paajarvi need to be re-signed next year (if they are re-signed) so just realize that we are going to be inching nearer the salary cap. We are at about $44M already for next year.

It's not like years past where we have not had talent here, and ample cap space to try and get talent. We must start beginning to manage our cap space, and field the best team possible.

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#37 dwillms
February 27 2013, 04:00AM
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Hayek wrote:

Just curious as to whether you think those are good contracts as I don't think I would be happy with most of them?

As regard to the salary cap, assuming it drops from $70.2M to $64.3M next year, that is an 8.5% drop. So when calculating an equivelent salary of of $3M this year would equate to a salary of $2.75M next year.

Players such as Jones, Gagner, and Paajarvi need to be re-signed next year (if they are re-signed) so just realize that we are going to be inching nearer the salary cap. We are at about $44M already for next year.

It's not like years past where we have not had talent here, and ample cap space to try and get talent. We must start beginning to manage our cap space, and field the best team possible.

Although I'd say most of those deals aren't good, it's irrelevant because that's simply the going market rate for defensive dmen (either UFA or pending UFA like Smid)

We're at $44 mil next year, but using the amnesty on Horcoff could take another $5.5 off that if need be.

Also, I truly don't believe the cap going down will have much impact on his worth. His agent will still want to get max value, this summer's UFA crop of dmen is really weak, and if revenues stay strong the cap will climb back up again quickly.

It's easy to think he could be quickly replaced by another UFA until you look at what they've been signing for. And we could possibly replace him in-house with someone like Teubert or Musil, but that would take another what, 3-5 yrs of development? Why throw away the 8 yrs we've already invested in him?

Sign the man.

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#38 CaptainLander
February 27 2013, 09:24AM
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Not sure. 3.2 for 4 works for Smid's agent, agent will be push for $4 for 6 years or something. I think he tests the free agent market, one of the youngest free agents available. Someone will be willing to overpay this guy, usually the Oil just overpay their own players though. So maybe they will sign him. Hate agreeing with DSF out of principle but $4 for 4-5, I could see that happening.

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#39 Johnny
February 27 2013, 09:36AM
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Smid is a BOTTOM PAIRING defender. If he gets anything starting with a 3, the Oilers over paid.

There is a reason the Oilers have been the WORST team in the league. Our blueline is weak and guys like Smid are playing top 4 minutes.

A guy playing top 4 minutes on a horrible team probably means he should not be playing top 4 minutes.

Sometimes Edmontonians have their heads in the clouds....

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#40 Phixieus666
February 27 2013, 10:00AM
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Johnny wrote:

Smid is a BOTTOM PAIRING defender. If he gets anything starting with a 3, the Oilers over paid.

There is a reason the Oilers have been the WORST team in the league. Our blueline is weak and guys like Smid are playing top 4 minutes.

A guy playing top 4 minutes on a horrible team probably means he should not be playing top 4 minutes.

Sometimes Edmontonians have their heads in the clouds....

Couldn't agree more. Smid will be traded at the deadline. The simple fact of the matter is on a contending team a player like Smid only fits into the third pairing and he will be asking top 4 salary. Kruger and Stauffer have both stated that in order for a team to be competitive the top 4 all need to be able to move the puck. So unless they talk with Smid and tell him in the long term future he only fits as a 3rd pairing guy and they can only offer him that pay maybe for a lot longer term however, he will be moved.

The way I see it at least a couple D men need to go. N.Schultz is better suited for 5/6th D duty as well. The only players I see as top 4 D are J.Schultz and Petry. Having a 5/6/7 of Smid/Schultz/Fistric and or Potter just doesn't make sense. Someone will be moved and Smid will have the best return right now. Its a business people you gotta remember that. Smid and Hemsky could easily be used to get a top 4 if not a top 2.

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#41 Mike Modano's Dog
February 27 2013, 10:20AM
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I say sign him!

As stated often here we have paid his dues of learning on the job in the NHL and now can reap the benefits of it. I love the guy, personally.

We keep saying we need a "Jason Smith" type. This guy blocks shots and sacrifices himself on the ice all the time, whenever needed! He is big and the Oilers NEED that, plus he is in the heart of his career. Few of our d-men are...and when you are competing for the Stanley Cup you need guys playing at the peak of their careers.

The best is yet to come for Laddy, and I don't think he'll be too expensive to sign for us either. If we need the cap room later it will not be a problem getting a team to trade for a big d-man, with a great attitude, in his prime as well!! I see him as a 3-4 defenceman, even on a contending team just to be clear. It is my belief that he will only get better as he gets more experience. He is only now reaching his potential for strength and still young enough to be a strong skater!

I'm all for youth - but if we get even younger at 'D' - God help us!! lol...

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#42 DieHard
February 27 2013, 10:59AM
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Smid is 27 years old. Sign him to a 6-7 year contract with a higher salary start compared to the end. Maybe with the cap at 3.5 or close to it. He'll start as a top pairing (because that's just where we are right now) and move to second pairing as other options become available.

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#43 michael
February 27 2013, 11:01AM
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The Oilers are fine cap wise. They'll be shedding more salary come the trade deadline. If were even at 40 million by July 1st I'll be surprised.

Smid at 3.4 is reasonable. You add Klefbom next year and ? to your bottom pairing and delete Potter and Whitney. Jones and Belanger will both be asked for come the deadline.

Horcoff is not getting bought out.

If anything the Oilers will be trading Hemsky at the deadline if were out of a playoff spot.His value this season should garner a first and a A level prospect.

Plenty of cash to go around.

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#44 DieHard
February 27 2013, 11:16AM
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The Oilers are fine cap wise. They'll be shedding more salary come the trade deadline. If were even at 40 million by July 1st I'll be surprised.

Smid at 3.4 is reasonable. You add Klefbom next year and ? to your bottom pairing and delete Potter and Whitney. Jones and Belanger will both be asked for come the deadline.

Horcoff is not getting bought out.

If anything the Oilers will be trading Hemsky at the deadline if were out of a playoff spot.His value this season should garner a first and a A level prospect.

Plenty of cash to go around.

"Horcoff is not getting bought out."

At least not this summer. However, he has to provide a list of teams he would go to in a trade. It's possible he's traded this summer. If not, I see a buy-out on his last year (or traded if he's agreeable).

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#45 nathan
February 27 2013, 12:35PM
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Dubnyk sounded like Smid's agent on Oil Change talking about blocked shots and consistent positioning.

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#46 Pucker
February 27 2013, 01:38PM
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I've liked Smid since he was a rookie and the question 'what ta heck was that' was often asked. I believe he came into the league touted as an offensive/puck moving defenceman.

He adjusted. I remember an episode where he was talking to Krueger or Renney asking what he had to do to get more ice time. I guess he figured it out.

I can't think of a reason not to sign him, as long as he's not looking for an overpay.

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#47 mrBacon
February 27 2013, 08:50PM
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I keep seeing people saying that on a cup contender Smid is at best a 3-4 defenseman, but he's already that on the Oilers right now and, especially in terms of our defensive game throughout the lineup, are very far from being a cup contender.

I fear that the Oilers will overpay to keep him and any wasted cap space is going to hurt this team with the hefty financial requirements upcoming.

Comparable d-men around the league seem to come in around 3 mil.

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