OILERS NEED A WILL TO WIN

Jason Gregor
February 27 2013 11:59AM

It seems clear that any player who makes it to the NHL is competitive. They had to beat out thousands of players just to get a shot in the league, but even in the NHL there are different types of competitors.

Your team will have a mixture of tough competitors and fragile competitors.

Do the Oilers have enough tough competitors?

Yesterday on my radio show I had the pleasure of having Chris Morris in studio. Morris is on the Eskimos wall of honour, he won three Grey Cups and now he is the head coach of the U of A Bears football team. Morris was one the best guests I've had on in months.

He was passionate, well-spoken, intense and he outlined his thoughts on coaching, but we also focused on how you build a winner, and the need to the install the drive and desire necessary to win into your players.

"You build that in people. You aren't born hard like that. You are taught it and you are taught how to retrain your mind and reload it every time something bad happens. There a million things a coach has to build into a player's mindset in order for them to be able to compete at that level," said Morris.

Before the interview Morris and I spoke off-air about his pain threshold and his ability to always battle hard. We talked about fragile and tough competitors, and then during the interview he brought it up and gave an excellent breakdown of their differences. I've debated for years that I felt at times the Oilers were too easy to play against, but not just physically. 

We were talking a little bit earlier about different types of competitors. If you want a hard,  tough competitor you have to get all the things that can break them out of them. There are fragile guys who fight really hard for a few minutes, and then one bad thing happens and they fold a little bit and then they fold a little more when something else goes wrong. Those are fragile guys.

You have to build it (toughness) in them. You have to tell them how to build their mindset. When something bad happens this is how your mind has to react to it. This is how you have to react when you're not feeling well. Don't talk to me about being sick. No one cares that you are sick. No one cares that you are not feeling right. None of your opponents care that you aren't feeling right. You have to show up and work harder than them, despite how you feel.

That is the beginning of teaching kids how to act and how to be leaders and how to have a group of leaders on your team, rather than it coming from your coach. Once players are wired that way, I think you are talking about leadership exuding from your team, and that's when you have a championship-level team. 

Right now the Oilers seemingly have too many fragile competitors and it will be up to Ralph Krueger to find out which ones can become tough competitors, and the ones that don't need to be shipped out of town. The Oilers haven't had as much talent as other teams for the past six years, so I never expected them to win very often.

However, too often over the past seven seasons we've see the Oilers get out worked by their opponents. They lose too many one-on-one battles, and that is more about mental toughness than sheer skill.

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Jeff Petry's play in OT was a microcosm of a bigger issue in my mind. He got beat coming off the wall, which is fine, because Patrick Sharp also wants to win, however, how Petry reacted after getting beat out of the corner fit perfectly into the "fragile competitor" label.

He went behind the net, and then glided for a few strides before looking back at the play. To use Morris' definition, he folded a bit. I never expect players to be perfect, nor do I expect them never to get beat, but watching Petry's body language and his decision to take the easy route instead of sticking with Sharp and staying in front of the net illustrated a picture we've seen too often in the Edmonton the past few years. I think Petry showed he can be a tough competitor last year, but right now he, like many of his teammates are fragile. They need to learn to become tough competitors on a nightly basis.

I believe one of the main reasons Krueger was hired last year was due to his strong motivational background. The Oilers need a coach who will help them become mentally tougher. It will be a process, and likely not one that changes overnight, but right now I feel the Oilers need more tough competitors, and it will be on Krueger to find out who he feels can become one and who can't. Those who can't need to get weeded out.

OUTSIDER PERSPECTIVE

I spoke with former NHL player, agent and general manager and now Sportnet analyst Brian Lawton yesterday about building a team. I find Lawton is always well spoken and thought provoking.

"The hardest part about building a team is filling out your blueline. I believe once you get your D straight the rest falls in line," said Lawton. He admitted that they struggled with that during his time in Tampa Bay.

I then asked him being building that blueline and finding the right balance between young players, puck movers, guys who are tough in the corners and in front of the net and overall hockey awareness on the ice. 

For me, it is the most critical part of the game, but it is also the most difficult to judge.  There are certain players in the league and you know they’re good players, and they look good on the stats sheet, and they’re well trained, and they may even be great guys, but for whatever reason their teams don’t seem to win with that certain position.

Just getting guys in the right positions is critical, and there are so many ways that we’re measuring a players performance today, yet there still is an element of feel in there as to which guys you win with and which guys you don't.

When I look at Edmonton, without naming names because I have great respect for the organization, they have some people that I’m not sure that you’re necessarily going to win with.  They're trying to develop them and they’re trying to build them to a certain level, and that’s what they should do, but at some point you have to make really tough decisions when you’re the leader. That may be the next evolution for the club, to make some tough decisions on people that - they’ve got all the trappings (as I like to say) of a really good player -- but the end result never matches up, and quite frankly those are the most difficult things that you do when you’re managing a club is you make those calls.

Those decisions are not easy. You’re never going to make them all right, so you have to be prepared as a general manager to have some failure.  But if you work at it and you’re diligent in the process, you’ll get it right eventually. 

That is where the Oilers are at with some players. As Lawton said, Tambellini, Lowe and MacTavish won't make the correct decision with every player, but they need to rid themselve of players with "trappings" and the players who are fragile competitors.

This isn't an easy decision, nor will it be a quick fix, but it has to happen, because for the past six seasons I've seen too many games where the Oilers got out worked and lost too many one-on-one battles.

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#1 Wanye
February 27 2013, 12:23PM
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Sam Gagner?

WHAT MORE CAN THE KID DO ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

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#2 David S
February 27 2013, 12:50PM
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Wanye wrote:

WHAT MORE CAN THE KID DO ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

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*Lines up behind Wanye. Slaps DSG next.*

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#3 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 27 2013, 01:20PM
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I'm going to just leave this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv2jqFd2-qI

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#4 A-Mc
February 27 2013, 12:37PM
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DSG wrote:

Sam Gagner?

Sam, IMO, is an example of perseverance. He has shown that he isn't fragile mentally.

For this reason, his stock goes up a little more each year in my books.

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#5 DSF
February 27 2013, 12:57PM
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I've seen Volpatti play - he's a guy who will give you 8 mins. a night on the 4th line with some scraps but not much else. Who do you take out? Apart from the fighting I don't think he outplays Petrell (PK), Eager, Jones, Belanger, MPS or Harti.

Volpatti is about as useful as Darcy Hordichuk.

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I love this post!

The Oilers and their fans are going through the experience of how to build a Championship team (hopefully).

The Oilers went from being a terrible team trying to make the playoffs, to absolutely sucking the hind teat, to getting some high end talent, to now - what other pieces are needed to succeed. Beautiful!

Add to the tough and fragile competitors, guys who are effective even when they're not excelling at what they're good at.

For example (and I'm risking a slap from Wanye):

Taylor Hall is still an effective player, pushing the play in the right direction, when he's not putting up points.

RNH is very responsible away from the puck, whether he's scoring or not. He's also fantastic at making little plays in all zones. He's just missing the net. People that complain about him struggling this year, watch who's back every time to help their d-men, who makes quick plays to get the puck out, who carries the puck in the neutral zone and dishes to an open winger.

Jordan Eberle is INVISIBLE when not scoring. Half ass back checks, fore checks, stick checks, body check (actually the last one he doesn't do at all). If the puck isn't on his stick, and he's dangling around guys, he's not doing much.

I hate to say it, but I firmly believe Eberle will be the first of the 5 studs (Hall, RNH, Ebs, Yak, JSchu) that will be gone first. He can get the Oilers quite a bit in a trade.

Whether Tambellini and Co. have the balls to do that is another question.

/novel

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#7 DigDeepNBleedBlue
February 27 2013, 01:11PM
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@Haajarverle

I agree he is clutch when the puck is on his stick and the net is within 8ft, but the game is played in three zones. I think he's gonna get it. He just don't get it right now.

Sorry, but Hall is a step or two above Eberle when you think about want, desire and try. JMO.

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#8 Tim in Kelowna
February 27 2013, 12:09PM
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Gregor, I want this guy on the Oilers coaching staff. He has hit the nail on the head. Xs and Os are only one aspect of coaching a hockey team. I don't see any fire in the belly of the Oilers.

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#9 Hayek
February 27 2013, 12:11PM
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So I am guessing you would not want players like Alex Semin on your team?

I don't think I buy the argument you have completely. As players shed these "fragile competitor" misnomers simply by playing in a long playoff run. So if team success takes away from this fragile competitor label, and you are searching for successful teams, then it is more of correlation determining success, not causation. Basically what is said that winners are good at winning.

That's why I think this argument is a tad weak.

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#10 Dougers14
February 27 2013, 12:11PM
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I agree Gregor, there is something missing in this team. I understand that people want this team to get tougher, but I don't completely agree. This team needs to be more COMPETITIVE. You don't have to be big to compete, you have to have the WILL to win puck battles and hockey games.

When you watch Phoenix and Nashville for example, here are two teams that lack skill, yet win more then they lose. There players battle and are relentless which our team on most nights are not. That has to change ASAP, getting bigger and tougher won't help unless everyone competes and wins battles.

Good piece Gregor, thoughts?

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#11 Wanye
February 27 2013, 12:24PM
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Hayek wrote:

So I am guessing you would not want players like Alex Semin on your team?

I don't think I buy the argument you have completely. As players shed these "fragile competitor" misnomers simply by playing in a long playoff run. So if team success takes away from this fragile competitor label, and you are searching for successful teams, then it is more of correlation determining success, not causation. Basically what is said that winners are good at winning.

That's why I think this argument is a tad weak.

YOUR PERFORMANCE IN DESPERADO WAS WEAK SELMA HAYEK

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#12 DigDeepNBleedBlue
February 27 2013, 12:56PM
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I know everyone (most people) love Eberle. I think he is an extremely talented player. He's been blessed with pure talent. Special player.

Where I've been concerned is his "fragile compete". Not strong in his own zone, not hard on the forecheck, not much compete.

I'm not suggesting he becomes a checker, but I think he needs to develop a "winning" drive. I will say this though, it's easy to focus on Eberle because he should be elite.

I'll turn the key to my car very slowly today....

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#13 RexLibris
February 27 2013, 01:13PM
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Khabibulin on the IR, as per TSN.

Guess that solves the goaltending controversy.

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#14 A-Mc
February 27 2013, 01:13PM
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Eberle has a unique ability to put a puck through a hole half its size. And he does it often.

He's a Wizard!

For that simple fact alone, I doubt he gets moved before 2020. He brings a unique aspect to the game.

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#15 French Toast Mafia
February 27 2013, 01:32PM
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Haajarverle wrote:

Couldn't disagree more. Go back and watch him in the world juniours. He's the epitome of clutch, and it's because he's mentally strong. He's got a winners mentality. From what I've seen of Hall's juniour days I'd say he's the same.

Game to game Hall has shown up far more than any player on this team. Every night he plays hard, gets in on the forecheck, causes turnovers, and backs of defenders with his speed.

I like Eberle a lot and he is a pure sniper but him and the other guys on the team don't bring it every night the way they need to in order to win more.

When you see teams like Chicago, Detroit, and Vancouver they have guys up and down there lineup (Toews, Hossa, Datsyuk, Kronwell, hate to say it Burrows, and Bieksa to name a few) that are tough to compete against every night and do things outside of sniping a beauty that go a long way in winning games.

Hall is all we have as far as a guy that game in and game out is a dominant players that actually difficult for other teams to handle. We need more players that are hard to play against. Even if its just guys that finish their check.

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#16 The Other Ron Burgundy
February 27 2013, 01:33PM
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DigDeepNBleedBlue wrote:

I know everyone (most people) love Eberle. I think he is an extremely talented player. He's been blessed with pure talent. Special player.

Where I've been concerned is his "fragile compete". Not strong in his own zone, not hard on the forecheck, not much compete.

I'm not suggesting he becomes a checker, but I think he needs to develop a "winning" drive. I will say this though, it's easy to focus on Eberle because he should be elite.

I'll turn the key to my car very slowly today....

I am one of the guys that loves Eberle but lately I think I would agree with you. I do not see the level of desire we have seen in the past, or that is required for him to take the next step. Pat Kane seems to have found that fire and look what's going on there (though, granted, it took a while).

Management brought out the old guard to recruit Schultz - I would love it if they brought in guys like Kurri, Mess, etc. to talk to all of these kids and spell out what it takes. One of my favorite stories is about the 83 team losing to the Islanders in the finals, but not thinking it was that big of a deal. Then they walked past the Islander dressing room and saw a bunch of guys beat up, broken, cut, exhausted. That is where Gretz says he realized what it was going to take. Now you can only get a true appreciation by actually going through that, but I'd think a few legends telling some stories would be the next best thing.

Might be just what the doc ordered too in the middle of a 9-game road trip from hell.

Of course that would require a management team that actually anticipated things and then acted on them...

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#17 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 27 2013, 01:43PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Not every player has to be tough mentally, but you want the majority of your team to be that way.

You think winners just naturally become winners? Disagree. It is learned, and those who win learn to not let the challenges/defeats weigh them down.

Considering two of Semin's former teammates questioned his heart and desire, I'd suggest he isn't a guy I'd have at the top of my list, especially at $7 million.

Are we supposed to accept Rhett Warrener's evaluative powers now too?

anyone ripping on Semin epitomizes what is wrong with hockey analysis today.

"Toughness! Truculence! Grinding! Edge! Good Canadian Kid!"

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2012/07/27/alex-semin-and-the-ethics-of-style/

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2012/7/7/3142627/refutation-of-stupid-semin-arguments

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#18 DMAC
February 27 2013, 01:53PM
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I don't think we need a roster full of coke machines, A little more size might be nice but when you look around the league at the players that are hard to play against they are not ushually all that big. we need sensible size with big hearts and a edge to them.

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#19 Quicksilver ballet
February 27 2013, 01:55PM
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In all respect to Mr. Morris, he's overlooked the money element in this equasion. In football, you're rewarded after you've shown you can do the job on the field. Show it on the field of battle consistantly, then you shall be paid accordingly.

It's arse backwards in hockey. Nowadays, kids are rewarded contracts based on optimistic/hopeful future perfomances. What has Taylor Hall done to put him in that 6 million per category......nothing, he's going to be paid that in hopes he'll become a player who'll at some time, give his employers more than their moneys worth.

These kids are set for life without having accomplished anything. What incentive do they have to be better? All that we've seen so far is a group of kids who lack heart,guts, a leader who'll lead by example. Kinda hard to compete with all the money a person can carry and women throwing themselves at them. The crest on the front of their jersey pales in comparison to things that'll remain with them for decades after they're gone from here (Edmonton).

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#20 oilerjed
February 27 2013, 01:59PM
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Good article, I feel that since Jones has been back our team has a new dynamic, hopefully his way of playing will catch on even more! I love a guy that can have that much of an impact on his team and am glad that he was resigned and is back healthy. As for Ebs is he possibly playing hurt? Definetly floating around way too much to have a major effect on the game. And its great to see the Gags haters getting slapped down, that guy is all heart and is getting stronger every year. Now if he could get to 50% in the circle he should be a lifer...

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#21 Milli
February 27 2013, 02:05PM
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I know Sammy is a lighting rod, but come on! All he has ever done is over achieve, work his ass off and compete. Is this team missing something? Yep. But I will be alot more critical when Horc and Hall are in the line up with Jones and Smyth. I think we are still a borderline playoff team, exactly what everyone thought they would be. Of they hang around and have a chance at playoffs, GREAT! Either way we need to make a few changes, add some size and guys who will compete. BUT PLEASE EBS and GAGS ain't the problem.

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#22 Pucker
February 27 2013, 02:48PM
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Light, Sweet, Crude wrote:

Nah, I hear you, man. While I think he has that winning drive for sure - check out his trophy case at his parent's place - can you imagine him getting fired up like Hall or even Gagner (vs. Beauchemin for example). If he could, and maybe he will, he would be even more valuable to a winning team.

Note: I do not want Ebs to fight, but I would like to feel it's not impossible.

Also, Gregor I know the Petry game loser has been talked about to death, but I absolutely agree with you and at the time my issue was with how Petry reacted right after he got beat to the net. It was as if he expected Sharp to score. Maybe he was still seeing stars from the Carcillo hit earlier, but yeesh that was weak.

Petry screwed up on the play.

We need to understand how hard it is on the defence when the puck is in their end all night. As assessed by Ralph, he was on an extended shift after spending most the game in their own zone. Fatigue makes you do dumb things. You'll see improvements when they're playing teams not called Chicago.

If the Oilers can ever start getting some sustained pressure down low, I think you'll see improvements in all aspects of their game.

Their hockey this year is still twice as good as last season which was 10 times better than the season before. I even think they're winning some forechecking battles, which they haven't done for a long, long time.

so: 1. Petry screwed up. Not all his fault. 2. Oiler is hockey improving. 2.5 - It would be good if that showed on the score clock. 3. Love the article and makes sense.

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#23 justDOit
February 27 2013, 02:48PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I'm going to just leave this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv2jqFd2-qI

This is worth putting up again on page two of the comments!

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#24 The poster formerly known as Koolaid drinker #33
February 27 2013, 03:44PM
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@Romulus' Apotheosis

Thank you for that video. It totally explained how I always suck at hockey pools. Most guys just want it more than I do. I bet they pick their players harder too.

And all these years i thought it was because i use a loonie to make my picks.

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#25 Harlie
February 27 2013, 04:18PM
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The original calling out of a broadcaster...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uczUKTwgqeY

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#26 Romulus' Apotheosis
February 27 2013, 04:31PM
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Harlie wrote:

The original calling out of a broadcaster...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uczUKTwgqeY

haha... I think you mean this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrX9Ca7LSyQ

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#28 DSG
February 27 2013, 12:07PM
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Sam Gagner?

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#29 PutzStew
February 27 2013, 12:21PM
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Hemsky, Smyth, Horcoff??? Lowe and Tambi are doing the same thing in management.

And no not Gagner. He doesn't win many but he usually doesn't give up on the play either.

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#30 A-Mc
February 27 2013, 12:28PM
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Gregor: What guy(s) would you pick to be fragile types on a consistent basis?

Regardless of how good he is, is there a player that you think the Oilers need to cut lose?

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#31 VK63
February 27 2013, 12:31PM
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"they've got all the trappings of a really good player"

BUT

I laughed when we listened to that line yesterday. the room broke into a Gagner, Hemmer,PRV etc. etc. etc argument. I think the only guys who escaped unscathed were smid and maybe Joey Moss.

My point is, there are a TON of players on this roster that Lawton may have trapped with that line.

And he is correct.

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#33 Harlie
February 27 2013, 12:32PM
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This guy is a bloody analyst, why the heck doesn't he spill the names on the guys he thinks are soft? Isn't giving an opinion his job now? Is he stumping for a job with the Oil?

I've heard the interview and I think Lawton is great, but I'm not sure who he is protecting other than himself by not naming names.

It's a little frustrating for the average fan to guess and wonder who he is referring too.

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#34 westcoastoil
February 27 2013, 12:33PM
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If I read the article correctly, then Lawton's comments were directed at the Oilers' D and not the forwards. Whitney's struggles and inability to adjust to his role/restricted mobility, I think, are an example. Chelios re-invented himself multiple times over his career, but the overriding constant was he was a tough S.O.B. to play against. Whitney, despite his size, hasn't transformed his game from being a D who can skate the puck out of danger (which he can't anymore) to a guy you really don't want to run into. Potter also falls into the: not hard to play against category - again despite decent size.

Ironically, Lawton iirc was never someone who had that hard winning edge to his game.

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#35 tom.MTL
February 27 2013, 12:33PM
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Wanye wrote:

WHAT MORE CAN THE KID DO ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

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Wanye swinging the HEAVY lumber!

Just made a Child Support payment?

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#36 DigDeepNBleedBlue
February 27 2013, 12:39PM
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Petry got outworked for sure. And, he went for a joy ride. That moment, for me, is when it's alright to take a penalty. Get your stick under Sharpe's arm or around his body and just water-ski. All you gotta do from there is touch the puck. Whistle goes, your down a man, but you fight another day.

The Chicago game was ugly and the point was a grace from God or Allah, Ganesha, Ra, Zues.... whatever you like in your drink. Out played, Out gunned.

Willis has an article out on A. Volpatti currently on waivers. He brings truculence, sand paper, etc. Something needs to be done with the cluster (explicit) we call the D. Someone has to go in order to open up a roster spot. Whitney is my choice, but sounds as though he's not on any GMs list. Maybe Potter down to the farm? Whatever happens, needs to play out soon.

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#37 Oiler Al
February 27 2013, 12:41PM
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There is something missing on this team!. I can't say for sure but as it was last year, I suspect anarchy in the room. [ ya in front of the mike they say the right things], but think about it... first off, leader ship should come from the vets on a very young team! The vets here Smyth, Whitney,Potter,Belanger, end up with big pouts and whines when they get benched. It tells me that the attitude is " OK, you young pup's show us what you can do". And really the vets should be demonstrating hard on the puck and tight checking, which they dont. At the end the young guys have to carry the team, as the vet presence is limited, especially in the leadership role.[just for the record, I think #94 puts in a decent effort, but he's No.1 on the pout list].

I think Hall, should be made Capt., as he show s the most jam in his game, lead the new young group. Other teams have made young guys captain.s [ Towes, Crosby, Landesgog,Backus come to mind]

Guys that need to find their jam in the trunks of their cars, and bring them to the game: Hemsky, Eberle, Paajarvi, Gagner, Petry, POtter,Justin Schultz,Belanger,Horcoff,Vandevelde. I think RNH and Yakapov, are catching on quickly.

Alot of the guys above tend to wear their "fly-by" jackets durig the game.

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#38 David S
February 27 2013, 12:49PM
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Part of building a winning team is the necessity for absolute dedication to winning throughout the entire organization. You can't expect players to assume a winning mindset when it's patently obvious the team has no real intention of doing so. You go into Montreal and it's basically win or die every day. When is the last time we could say that about Edmonton? 2006?

Tanking (i.e. not caring about winning) got us three first round pics, but the psychological damage it's done to our young guys will take a loooong time to fix.

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#39 Will
February 27 2013, 12:49PM
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It'd be interesting to hear if Petry just read the play wrong. I don't think his compete level was off, it'd be interesting to see if WIllis can analyze that play differently to justify what Petry did. As for having the compete factor on our blue line, I really think Nick, Justin, Fistric, and Smid, are all fierce competitors. I'd put Petry in there as well but he's stilll kind of developing and will be prone to make mistakes.

As for the forwards, Ebs, Hall, Harti, Smyth, Horcoff, Petrell, Yak are all clearly passionate about winning night in night out. I think if anything, this team has turned the corner on the whole nights off thing. The core they are building around (Hall) are notorious competitors. These guys literally bleed for the team. So I really kind of think this argument might not be all that sound as I can't think of another team that is more stacked with tough competitors.

PS Dubnyk and Habby have been competitors all season.

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#40 Cody anderson
February 27 2013, 12:55PM
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Losing and winning are habits. The problem with a rebuild is changing that attitude and compete level.

Even a person that has had an incredible work ethic and compete level his entire career can develop a losing attitude.

If the outcome of the game is the same no matter how hard you work people end up taking short cuts or the easy road. This is not a concsious a decision but human nature. If there is no reward for the extra work.....the extra work typically fades away.

Every time you bring a new person into the group that has a winning attitude you expose your players to it and that can help to break them of their losing attitudes.

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#41 westcoastoil
February 27 2013, 12:55PM
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DigDeepNBleedBlue wrote:

Petry got outworked for sure. And, he went for a joy ride. That moment, for me, is when it's alright to take a penalty. Get your stick under Sharpe's arm or around his body and just water-ski. All you gotta do from there is touch the puck. Whistle goes, your down a man, but you fight another day.

The Chicago game was ugly and the point was a grace from God or Allah, Ganesha, Ra, Zues.... whatever you like in your drink. Out played, Out gunned.

Willis has an article out on A. Volpatti currently on waivers. He brings truculence, sand paper, etc. Something needs to be done with the cluster (explicit) we call the D. Someone has to go in order to open up a roster spot. Whitney is my choice, but sounds as though he's not on any GMs list. Maybe Potter down to the farm? Whatever happens, needs to play out soon.

I've seen Volpatti play - he's a guy who will give you 8 mins. a night on the 4th line with some scraps but not much else. Who do you take out? Apart from the fighting I don't think he outplays Petrell (PK), Eager, Jones, Belanger, MPS or Harti.

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#42 DigDeepNBleedBlue
February 27 2013, 01:01PM
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Good point. But he could be a 14th forward. Come in a provide some sh*t disturbance every other game. He could take out whoever needs to be taken out. Whoever isn't doing what they should be at that moment. Gotta be accountable for your game. Game in and game out.

Depth pick up. Saving grace? No, that he is not. But, he does have a good element to his game. Crazy!

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#43 Haajarverle
February 27 2013, 01:01PM
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Eager, Belanger, Paajarvi need to go. I don't think they have the real fighting spirit. Or they need to watch tapes of Ryan Jones all day and dream of his shifts all night. I think our top 6 are mentally tough. They battle consistently.

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#44 Haajarverle
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Couldn't disagree more. Go back and watch him in the world juniours. He's the epitome of clutch, and it's because he's mentally strong. He's got a winners mentality. From what I've seen of Hall's juniour days I'd say he's the same.

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#45 DigDeepNBleedBlue
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This may be the case. Don't watch the 'nucks play a lot. But, from what I've seen he's got some crazy. This teams needs a little crazy. From someone.

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#46 Will
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Paajarvi has found a role. I think he's too soft along the boards or in front of the net, but that doesn't mean he's not valuable. The kid just needs to play with his speed and drive to the net, and draw a penalty, which he has done a great job of doing this year.

As for Jones, why on earth would you ever want to get rid of that guy. He never takes a shift off, and his production over the last two years has been off the charts, especially in relative to what he's paid. Jones is the exact type of player this article is saying we need to get.

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I know everyone (most people) love Eberle. I think he is an extremely talented player. He's been blessed with pure talent. Special player.

Where I've been concerned is his "fragile compete". Not strong in his own zone, not hard on the forecheck, not much compete.

I'm not suggesting he becomes a checker, but I think he needs to develop a "winning" drive. I will say this though, it's easy to focus on Eberle because he should be elite.

I'll turn the key to my car very slowly today....

Exactly what I'm saying. Didn't even see your comment when I wrote mine.

This may get "interesting".

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#48 Haajarverle
February 27 2013, 01:15PM
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I agree he doesn't affect the game in all three zones like Hall or RNH, but I don't think it's due to lack of mental toughness. Hall and RNH have said they've been working hard to improve in the other areas, whereas maybe Eb's has been thinking about winning the Art Ross. I don't think his defensive skills are lacking because he gets down on himself, maybe he just hasn't been working as hard at it. Same result I suppose...

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#49 Light, Sweet, Crude
February 27 2013, 01:16PM
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DigDeepNBleedBlue wrote:

I know everyone (most people) love Eberle. I think he is an extremely talented player. He's been blessed with pure talent. Special player.

Where I've been concerned is his "fragile compete". Not strong in his own zone, not hard on the forecheck, not much compete.

I'm not suggesting he becomes a checker, but I think he needs to develop a "winning" drive. I will say this though, it's easy to focus on Eberle because he should be elite.

I'll turn the key to my car very slowly today....

Nah, I hear you, man. While I think he has that winning drive for sure - check out his trophy case at his parent's place - can you imagine him getting fired up like Hall or even Gagner (vs. Beauchemin for example). If he could, and maybe he will, he would be even more valuable to a winning team.

Note: I do not want Ebs to fight, but I would like to feel it's not impossible.

Also, Gregor I know the Petry game loser has been talked about to death, but I absolutely agree with you and at the time my issue was with how Petry reacted right after he got beat to the net. It was as if he expected Sharp to score. Maybe he was still seeing stars from the Carcillo hit earlier, but yeesh that was weak.

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#50 Chad
February 27 2013, 01:17PM
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That was the best article I've read on the Oilers in a long time. Great insight.

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