WARRIOR SHAWN

Lowetide
February 03 2013 10:59AM

The center position will be front and cen, well front page if Shawn Horcoff is out for any length of time. The Nuge (how in hell did he miss that gaping net?) and Sam Gagner (pretty good season so far for a guy no one thinks is a 2line C) are taking care of the offensive business, but with Horcoff out who helps Eric Belanger (if he can walk today) with the heavy lifting?

All graphs and stats below are courtesy Gabriel Desjardins and his dynamic behind the net site. Amazing.

THE ZONE STARTS

  1. Anton Lander 60% offensive zone start
  2. RNH 53.7% "       "       "
  3. Sam Gagner 52.5% "   "    "
  4. Shawn Horcoff 39.1% "   "   "
  5. Eric Belanger 36.1% "    "      "

Ralph Krueger is giving the tough starts at center to Eric Belanger and Shawn Horcoff, and the offensive zone start push to RNH and Sam Gagner. I think we can place this under "duh" strategy, as the Oilers are set up perfectly to give the younger players the push and the older men the hard starts from scrimmage. I don't know why Petrell shows up here but suspect Shawn Horcov has something to do with it.

If Horcoff and or Belanger are gone for any length of time, the Oilers need to be bringing in veteran players. Gagner and the Nuge may one day do the heavy lifting, but this team is set up for those two to score touchdowns. Steve Tambellini might look to Jason Arnott or to the trades that may be available, but there is no "in house" replacement for Horcoff or Belanger.

5X5 SCORING

  1. Sam Gagner 2.50/60
  2. RNH 0.98/60

The Oilers haven't gotten much 5x5 scoring from their 3rd and 4th lines, so Horcoff and Belanger having zero's in this category shouldn't come as a surprise. It does tell us that the guy replacing Horcoff and or Belanger won't have to bring a lot of offense to the parade--if he does, that's a bonus. What he really needs to be though, is low event in his own end.

CORSI REL

Corisl Rel (this is taken from Dudes on Hockey) is "A way to compare players that neutralizes team effects, Corsi Rel is a player’s Corsi when they are on the ice versus when they are off.  If a player has a Corsi/60 of 5.0 (meaning the team directs 5 more shots towards the opposing net than they surrender when the player is on the ice) but a Corsi/60 of 6.0 when the player is sitting on the bench, the player’s Corsi Rel is -1.0.  Corsi Rel is always per 60 minutes of ice time."

  1. RNH 25.4
  2. Shawn Horcoff -0.5
  3. Anton Lander -3.5
  4. Sam Gagner -7.8
  5. Eric Belanger -21.7

Gagner's Corsi Rel is heading in a good direction after a tough start and of course that line has a rookie so there's going to be some struggles this season. Nuge is on the Hall line and that's going to push the river (although Nuge had a tough time by my eye yesterday), and Horcoff is just fine. Belanger on the fourth has been a struggle but again he's been with young players often, and his kids weren't taken #1 overall.

QUAL COMP

It is early for quality of competition numbers, but there is some insight they can offer about how RK is running his bench. Toughest to easiest:

  1. Anton Lander .595
  2. Shawn Horcoff .382
  3. Eric Belanger .174
  4. RNH .152
  5. Sam Gagner -.168

Lander's number is from just a couple of games, and the rest of the numbers are clustered together. I think this tells us that Krueger's priorities lie away from line matching at this point in the season. He's trying to get his offensive players into offensive situations and to get them on the ice as often as possible, and one of the results is a fairly even qual comp number for the four main centermen.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

If Horcoff is injured, the Oilers are going to need a quality veteran to replace him if they plan on getting anywhere this season. They might be able to use Anton Lander--a pretty fair penalty-killer already--in the Belanger role and elevate Belanger to Horcoff's job in the short term, but if they're serious about the second season the Oilers will need to make a move.

Horcoff is not on the IR, and knowing his history he'll drag his ass onto the ice tomorrow night against the Canucks.

Just in time for the Rexall crowd to shower him with boos.

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#1 Cheap Shot Charlie
February 03 2013, 11:04AM
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Nope...

It hurts to see how valuable Horcoff but that his cap hit will be his or the teams demise.

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#2 DSF
February 03 2013, 11:16AM
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If Sam Gagner IS a second line centre, this would be the ideal time to show it and do some of the heavy lifting.

His Qual Comp is 6th among Oilers centres so he's still facing the softest competition.

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#4 Kevin
February 03 2013, 11:19AM
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A half speed Arnott is an upgrade over Lander.

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#5 DSF
February 03 2013, 11:20AM
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Lowetide wrote:

DSF: The Oilers haven't employed 6 centers. Also, Gagner controls only his performance on ice, and is doing well in the role Ralph Krueger is using him in. Now I know that kills you, but cheer up! He'll be out of the league in 15 years!

Oops...once again BTN has Eberle listed as a centre.

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#6 a lg dubl dubl
February 03 2013, 11:22AM
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Im suprised how snake bit RNH has been so far this season, yesterday proved it imo, if Nuge scored on that open net,along with Whitney's brain fart on the second goal it would have been a different game. I see Nuge having a breakout game really soon though.

I wonder if Arnott would be willing to play on the wing, be a better option than Petrell or Hodichuck, and can easily slide into the center position when needed.

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#8 Poolanov
February 03 2013, 11:28AM
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How DID he miss that gaping net???

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#9 eastcoastoil
February 03 2013, 11:36AM
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Didn't Arnott fail his medical, is there any indication that he has entered some hard training since then?

On a side note LT, how do you think switching gagner and the nuge would look. Giving some softer mins to RNH to get that confidence back and seeing if he has some chemistry with Yak.

Gagner has done well with Hall and Ebs in the past.

Belanger might be up to the task, showed some old man strength yesterday it seems. Enough to give Horc a break and to recover..

Would like to see Lander sent back down soon and MPS back...

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#11 eastcoastoil
February 03 2013, 11:47AM
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Thanks LT,

Any word on Eager and whats going on with Peckham?

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#13 madjam
February 03 2013, 11:56AM
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PENALTY IMBALANCE - due to youth and size ? Are the Oilers picked on by referees because of their youth and size ? Seems like they expect our youngsters to go down legally or otherwise , and therefore we rarely get questionable calls in our favor . If veteran ( fake or otherwise ) on opposition clubs almost always get favorable calls against us - especially youth and smaller players . We often look like pinballs out there with far too many calls being not being called against opposition . Size also gets the advantage of referees calls over smaller less physical players , and it should not be so .

We are slightly better than last year , but are seemingly far away from being a playoff team this season . Center is less than adequate to help make us a playoff team , despite Dubbie's heroics and J.Schultz valued help .

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#14 VK63
February 03 2013, 12:26PM
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Personally I would be curious to know what Gagner could fetch in a trade at the moment.

Teams with high expectations and a brutal start might actually offer up something significant.

Worth exploring as a fact finding, market analysis mission at least.

I was soooo disheartened by that entire train wreck that was the Avs second goal yesterday. Whitney, hemmer and yak got hung with it optically but somewhere floating 80+ feet away was the centre. (and 94 fwiw)

Compounding that observation was the realization that it was a relatively slow developing play for the Avs, Whitney coughs it up and provides some resistance initially, hemmer digs in a hook and battles the puck carrier down the boards also impeding the plays timing. And yet........ bah never mind.

Frustrations abound when efforts are weak.

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#15 Dan the Man
February 03 2013, 12:34PM
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I will be concerned if the Oilers choose to buy out Horcoff this summer. They will miss him, so unless they find someone who can fill his role, I think buying him out sets the team back.

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#16 Rama Lama
February 03 2013, 12:35PM
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I would take just about anyone over Belenger and Horcoff. Yes they may be good in the face offs, but what about the rest of the game? Totally usless on offence and playiing with the puck.

Time for Anton Lander to shine. Also time for ST to finally do something, and earn his keep. You can only finish last, draft first, so many times and ST has shown no other skills as a GM.

I would take Jason Arnott as a fourth line centre any day........at least he is not a hobbit.

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#17 a lg dubl dubl
February 03 2013, 12:37PM
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VK63 wrote:

Personally I would be curious to know what Gagner could fetch in a trade at the moment.

Teams with high expectations and a brutal start might actually offer up something significant.

Worth exploring as a fact finding, market analysis mission at least.

I was soooo disheartened by that entire train wreck that was the Avs second goal yesterday. Whitney, hemmer and yak got hung with it optically but somewhere floating 80+ feet away was the centre. (and 94 fwiw)

Compounding that observation was the realization that it was a relatively slow developing play for the Avs, Whitney coughs it up and provides some resistance initially, hemmer digs in a hook and battles the puck carrier down the boards also impeding the plays timing. And yet........ bah never mind.

Frustrations abound when efforts are weak.

That goal would have never happend imo if Whitney would have skated backwards finding the puck in his feet and dumping it back in deep in the Avs zone, but instead he turns around after giving up on the puck to "get into posistion" for the on coming player.

Whitney has been doing that kinda thing all year so far...you said it best frustrations abound lol

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#18 Shane
February 03 2013, 12:52PM
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Smart bird.

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#19 Shane
February 03 2013, 12:56PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I would take just about anyone over Belenger and Horcoff. Yes they may be good in the face offs, but what about the rest of the game? Totally usless on offence and playiing with the puck.

Time for Anton Lander to shine. Also time for ST to finally do something, and earn his keep. You can only finish last, draft first, so many times and ST has shown no other skills as a GM.

I would take Jason Arnott as a fourth line centre any day........at least he is not a hobbit.

Really Rama?!? Your gonna pull the ol Horcoff and Belanger are worthless even after immediately reading the facts that say otherwise.. Give your head a shake!

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#20 Romanus
February 03 2013, 12:59PM
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VK63 wrote:

Personally I would be curious to know what Gagner could fetch in a trade at the moment.

Teams with high expectations and a brutal start might actually offer up something significant.

Worth exploring as a fact finding, market analysis mission at least.

I was soooo disheartened by that entire train wreck that was the Avs second goal yesterday. Whitney, hemmer and yak got hung with it optically but somewhere floating 80+ feet away was the centre. (and 94 fwiw)

Compounding that observation was the realization that it was a relatively slow developing play for the Avs, Whitney coughs it up and provides some resistance initially, hemmer digs in a hook and battles the puck carrier down the boards also impeding the plays timing. And yet........ bah never mind.

Frustrations abound when efforts are weak.

Yes let's trade our only producing canter because you saw some advanced stats.

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#21 JSR
February 03 2013, 01:05PM
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If Horcoff is out for a stretch, elevate Belanger to the third line, and bring up Van de Velde to center the fourth. Why bring in another contract, when the Oilers are probably not making the playoffs anyway? One more pick in the top 10 would be nice.

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#22 dougtheslug
February 03 2013, 01:08PM
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DSF wrote:

Oops...once again BTN has Eberle listed as a centre.

DSF, what is BTN?

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#23 Smokey
February 03 2013, 01:14PM
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I dont get to watch many Oil Baron's games, but can't Vandervelle fill in for Horcoff on the defensive end. He can win draws at least. I'd even concider Hall and Smytty in spot duty on the fourth line.

Gomez could of least filled in 3rd or 4th line duty. I don't think a NHL player is around the corner until teams are outta of it.

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#24 Old Retired Guy
February 03 2013, 01:23PM
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madjam wrote:

PENALTY IMBALANCE - due to youth and size ? Are the Oilers picked on by referees because of their youth and size ? Seems like they expect our youngsters to go down legally or otherwise , and therefore we rarely get questionable calls in our favor . If veteran ( fake or otherwise ) on opposition clubs almost always get favorable calls against us - especially youth and smaller players . We often look like pinballs out there with far too many calls being not being called against opposition . Size also gets the advantage of referees calls over smaller less physical players , and it should not be so .

We are slightly better than last year , but are seemingly far away from being a playoff team this season . Center is less than adequate to help make us a playoff team , despite Dubbie's heroics and J.Schultz valued help .

It's not a bias of the officials......It's part of the price you pay for having a small team that falls down alot....

(Full disclosure: Old Retired Guy is 6'5" 235lbs.)

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#25 Old Retired Guy
February 03 2013, 01:29PM
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@Dan the Man

Agreed

I don't have a firm handle on the Oilers cap issues for next year......but at face value it appears they have no serious cap issues....so why would you pay Horcoff not to play when he's a VERY useful 3rd line center??

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#26 nunyour
February 03 2013, 01:34PM
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Smyth seems to be capable of playing centre,and seems to be ok on the draw.

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#27 Old Retired Guy
February 03 2013, 01:40PM
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Romanus wrote:

Yes let's trade our only producing canter because you saw some advanced stats.

Like many of you here.....I too frequently change my mind on the value of a Gagner and wether or not to consider trading him.

What I think really matters (and hope for) is that the management team has enough savy to understand his value and where he slots into the roster over the long term....such that IF it is decided that he does not fill the neccessary role (i.e. need someone bigger, tougher, better at faces or whatever) they at least move him when his value is at or near a high.....and not when he's struggling. I think thats really all you can hope for....the rest is just emotion and opinion.

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#28 Rama Lama
February 03 2013, 01:43PM
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Shane wrote:

Really Rama?!? Your gonna pull the ol Horcoff and Belanger are worthless even after immediately reading the facts that say otherwise.. Give your head a shake!

I stand by my words.......I do not mind Horcoff as a fourth line centre. The only guy with less skill is Belenger.......I cannot understand who in the organization thought it would be a good idea to get him?? A total waste of a hockey player who does not belong in the NHL. There is NO team stupid enough to take this guy.

What contingency plan do the Oilers have for a solid third line centre, would be my question? ST is sadly the most incompetent GM in the entire league. All the bright lights we have on this team were as a result of finishing last, drafting first.........a monkey with a frontal labotomy could have accomplished the same.

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#29 Oilertown
February 03 2013, 01:47PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

DSF, what is BTN?

Behind the net site.

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#30 David S
February 03 2013, 01:50PM
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Scoring goals has been left entirely to the top two lines. Hemsky withstanding, that's alot of pressure for some pretty young guys. My guess is Hall, Eberle and NUUUUUUUGE are feeling the heat every time the puck gets on their stick.

Our biggest problem right now is total lack of secondary scoring and Horcoff has to be part of the solution. Something tells me Krueger is checking up on Ryan Jones every day to see when he'll be back. A line of Jones, Horcoff and Smyth might be about the best we could put together, but at least they have some scoring punch.

And I'll be the guy to say it. Ryan Whitney is starting to cost us games.

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#31 Old Retired Guy
February 03 2013, 01:51PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

I would take just about anyone over Belenger and Horcoff. Yes they may be good in the face offs, but what about the rest of the game? Totally usless on offence and playiing with the puck.

Time for Anton Lander to shine. Also time for ST to finally do something, and earn his keep. You can only finish last, draft first, so many times and ST has shown no other skills as a GM.

I would take Jason Arnott as a fourth line centre any day........at least he is not a hobbit.

Pajama Lama, You seemed so angry last year that I had to ask you if "Tambellini was dating your mom or something"....

Are your telling me this year that Belanger and Horcoff are dating your sister????

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#32 David S
February 03 2013, 01:56PM
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Aaaand for all you guys out there slamming Gagner for his poor FO percentages. He took 13 FO's last game, winning 4 for about 30%. He wins two more - TWO MORE draws and he's "respectable" for the night at about 47%. Two lost draws aren't why this team is underperforming. FO percentages are one of the most over-emphasized stats in hockey.

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#33 Oiler Al
February 03 2013, 01:57PM
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" Read my lips", Arnott failed his medical with the Rangers. We already have a one legged defense man on the roster.We keep bringing in other teams "hurts". Dithers should have grabbed Gomez ,for short term and on the cheap. I know it might be prudent to wait till trade deadline,for a better catch, and to see where the Oilers are at that point, but picking up Gomez was a no risk deal.

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#34 Rama Lama
February 03 2013, 02:02PM
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Old Retired Guy wrote:

Pajama Lama, You seemed so angry last year that I had to ask you if "Tambellini was dating your mom or something"....

Are your telling me this year that Belanger and Horcoff are dating your sister????

Thank god that our family outlawed dating "has beens " so I don't have to worry about that.

I like Belanger, I would like him to play where he belongs.......in the ECHL on the third line.

We need a supporting cast for our youngsters, and the sooner we stop pretending that guys like Belenger and Horcoff are the answer, the sooner we can make some changes.......real changes.

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#35 Old Retired Guy
February 03 2013, 02:03PM
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David S wrote:

Scoring goals has been left entirely to the top two lines. Hemsky withstanding, that's alot of pressure for some pretty young guys. My guess is Hall, Eberle and NUUUUUUUGE are feeling the heat every time the puck gets on their stick.

Our biggest problem right now is total lack of secondary scoring and Horcoff has to be part of the solution. Something tells me Krueger is checking up on Ryan Jones every day to see when he'll be back. A line of Jones, Horcoff and Smyth might be about the best we could put together, but at least they have some scoring punch.

And I'll be the guy to say it. Ryan Whitney is starting to cost us games.

Interesting post Dave.

It gets me thinking that there are a few choices that a coach (or a fan) need to make that seem mutually exclusive.

1) Do you want (like we have today) TWO top scoring lines....with all your talent on those two lines (making lines 3 and 4 grinders and penalty killers)

2) Do you want a balanced attack with your offensive talent spread accross at least 3 lines.

and

3) Do you want to create the maximum amount of chemistry by sticking with your line combonations, or conversely,

4) do you want to create the maximum amount of flexibility be constantly juggling your line cominations ( ex// have have two player tandems Nuge/Eberle, Hall Hemsky, Horcoff/Smyth, with interchangeable third pieces)

Right now Krueger is going with choice 1 and 4.

What's would your choice be? Personally I like 2 and 4.

With 1 and 3 your get more PP point production because your first two lines can actually form your 2 powerplay units......with 2 an 4 you probably get more 5x5 scoring.....

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#36 Old Retired Guy
February 03 2013, 02:04PM
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Should have read "Krueger is currently choosing 1 and 3"

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#37 Shane
February 03 2013, 02:05PM
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@Oiler Al

I'm sure Gomez had somewhat of a choice as to where to go. Probably not ST fault on that one

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#38 Old Retired Guy
February 03 2013, 02:08PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Thank god that our family outlawed dating "has beens " so I don't have to worry about that.

I like Belanger, I would like him to play where he belongs.......in the ECHL on the third line.

We need a supporting cast for our youngsters, and the sooner we stop pretending that guys like Belenger and Horcoff are the answer, the sooner we can make some changes.......real changes.

Rama,

Your reply showed resolve and retraint....I respect that....

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#39 Old Retired Guy
February 03 2013, 02:09PM
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resolve, restraint, (and humor)....I respect that...

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#40 Shane
February 03 2013, 02:14PM
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@Rama Lama

Belanger has been playing the best players(and killing their powerplays)in the league for 10+ years all while maintaining around a 55% FO(IMO the perfect 4line C) and you want to replace him with a 21 year old with 58 GPs in the show who's playing on a third line in the AHL?

Your one of these ELPH guys aren't you?

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#41 Old Retired Guy
February 03 2013, 02:15PM
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David S wrote:

Aaaand for all you guys out there slamming Gagner for his poor FO percentages. He took 13 FO's last game, winning 4 for about 30%. He wins two more - TWO MORE draws and he's "respectable" for the night at about 47%. Two lost draws aren't why this team is underperforming. FO percentages are one of the most over-emphasized stats in hockey.

Not dissing Gagner....but I do recall reading somehwere along the way that there is a significant/strong coorelation between faces won in the offensive zone and goals scored....and cooresponingly...faceoffs won in the defensive zone and goals scored gainst.....

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#42 Old Retired Guy
February 03 2013, 02:26PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

" Read my lips", Arnott failed his medical with the Rangers. We already have a one legged defense man on the roster.We keep bringing in other teams "hurts". Dithers should have grabbed Gomez ,for short term and on the cheap. I know it might be prudent to wait till trade deadline,for a better catch, and to see where the Oilers are at that point, but picking up Gomez was a no risk deal.

Agree with you (and others) that grabbing the Gomezes and Reddens of the world would probably have made it easier to acheive our goal of making the playoffs this year.....which in turn would have given all the young guns invaluable training and maturity.

I can only guess that Oilers management are concerned about a few different things....What do non-leaders like Gomez and Redden introduce into the locker room.....and how much does having Gomez and Redden and Smyth and Petrel and Hordichek and Jones and Horcoff and, and, and,.....cut into the playing/development time of the younger talent that you want to develop.

Looks like maintaining a LEADERSHIP first and youth development won out over the shorter term approach.....I would be hard pressed to disagree with you or them...

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#43 Rama Lama
February 03 2013, 02:33PM
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Shane wrote:

Belanger has been playing the best players(and killing their powerplays)in the league for 10+ years all while maintaining around a 55% FO(IMO the perfect 4line C) and you want to replace him with a 21 year old with 58 GPs in the show who's playing on a third line in the AHL?

Your one of these ELPH guys aren't you?

Granted he is good in the face-offs, I still think if we are going with a youth movement........let the young player gain some NHL experience. The upside to this out weighs what Belenger brings.

Better Anton Lander learning in the NHL than Belanger winning the face-off.

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#44 @Oilanderp
February 03 2013, 02:34PM
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Once upon a time I would have commented on this article. Now, in my old age, I realize it is pointless. :) Thanks for the reading anyway, LT.

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#45 Old Retired Guy
February 03 2013, 02:34PM
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Old Retired Guy wrote:

Interesting post Dave.

It gets me thinking that there are a few choices that a coach (or a fan) need to make that seem mutually exclusive.

1) Do you want (like we have today) TWO top scoring lines....with all your talent on those two lines (making lines 3 and 4 grinders and penalty killers)

2) Do you want a balanced attack with your offensive talent spread accross at least 3 lines.

and

3) Do you want to create the maximum amount of chemistry by sticking with your line combonations, or conversely,

4) do you want to create the maximum amount of flexibility be constantly juggling your line cominations ( ex// have have two player tandems Nuge/Eberle, Hall Hemsky, Horcoff/Smyth, with interchangeable third pieces)

Right now Krueger is going with choice 1 and 4.

What's would your choice be? Personally I like 2 and 4.

With 1 and 3 your get more PP point production because your first two lines can actually form your 2 powerplay units......with 2 an 4 you probably get more 5x5 scoring.....

You know your getting old ( and thus boring) when you start replying to your own posts...

Thinking it over, Krueger's choice of 1 and 3 is probably a better thing for a young team....it builds familiarity and confidence...

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#46 David S
February 03 2013, 02:37PM
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Old Retired Guy wrote:

Interesting post Dave.

It gets me thinking that there are a few choices that a coach (or a fan) need to make that seem mutually exclusive.

1) Do you want (like we have today) TWO top scoring lines....with all your talent on those two lines (making lines 3 and 4 grinders and penalty killers)

2) Do you want a balanced attack with your offensive talent spread accross at least 3 lines.

and

3) Do you want to create the maximum amount of chemistry by sticking with your line combonations, or conversely,

4) do you want to create the maximum amount of flexibility be constantly juggling your line cominations ( ex// have have two player tandems Nuge/Eberle, Hall Hemsky, Horcoff/Smyth, with interchangeable third pieces)

Right now Krueger is going with choice 1 and 4.

What's would your choice be? Personally I like 2 and 4.

With 1 and 3 your get more PP point production because your first two lines can actually form your 2 powerplay units......with 2 an 4 you probably get more 5x5 scoring.....

Hmmm...

I think the problem is twofold.

a) We're burning out our 3-4 lines by having to kill so many penalties. Maybe that's why we're starting to see some young guys take PK shifts.

b) Our 1-2 lines are really good hockey players. Our 3-4 lines are a magnitude less. Mixing up the lines might dilute the only scoring strength we have. What we really need are better 3-4 line players, which might be possible if we didn't have Hordichuk and Ben Eager plugging up two (as it turns out) very valuable spots.

We're still too thin of a team to be able to withstand the loss of Horcoff and Jones. We get those two guys back and things will be better, if still not ideal. If we pick up two MORE quality 3-4 liners that'll make a quantum difference in the makeup of our ice hockey squad.

Lastly, Linus Omark. He's leading the Swiss elite league with 62 points in 43 games playing on Zug. Just sayin'.

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Old Retired Guy wrote:

resolve, restraint, (and humor)....I respect that...

Thanks........life perspective. If all I can complain about is my hockey team......how blessed am I?

Beyond words.

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Once upon a time I would have commented on this article. Now, in my old age, I realize it is pointless. :) Thanks for the reading anyway, LT.

Feeling a little Superior in our old age are we?? :)

I can tell your not OLD old.....If you were OLD old you'd have realized that EVERYTHING is pointless......and therefore.....you might as well comment.......

Ahhh Grasshopper......it is time for you to leave.......

This is where I would draw the infinity symbol and state that when you are OLD old, you discover that your journey has taken you back to the point where you started....

(This has been a public service message brought to you by Old Retired Guy.. warning against the prolonged use of Medicinal Marijuana)

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David S wrote:

Hmmm...

I think the problem is twofold.

a) We're burning out our 3-4 lines by having to kill so many penalties. Maybe that's why we're starting to see some young guys take PK shifts.

b) Our 1-2 lines are really good hockey players. Our 3-4 lines are a magnitude less. Mixing up the lines might dilute the only scoring strength we have. What we really need are better 3-4 line players, which might be possible if we didn't have Hordichuk and Ben Eager plugging up two (as it turns out) very valuable spots.

We're still too thin of a team to be able to withstand the loss of Horcoff and Jones. We get those two guys back and things will be better, if still not ideal. If we pick up two MORE quality 3-4 liners that'll make a quantum difference in the makeup of our ice hockey squad.

Lastly, Linus Omark. He's leading the Swiss elite league with 62 points in 43 games playing on Zug. Just sayin'.

Just got my prescription refilled.....

Your comment is making me think......Both you and Rama Lama make the point that we have a strong top 6 and now we need to work on a stronger bottom six......At face value how could anyone argue with that.....you are always looking to improve your weakest link(s).

The messy part is salary caps and contracts etc. Practically speaking, you need 8 bottom 6 guys in your organization that take up about $10 million or less total....and you don't get to cherry pick contracts....and ...as soon as one of those bottom 6 guys plays above expectations, he wants a raise or a trade....etc etc etc....

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