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Lowetide
March 10 2013 12:02PM

With the wrong-way Oilers securing 15th in the NW and the trade deadline just weeks away, we begin our annual parsing of the roster to find out who among the miserable will be sent away.

AGAIN???????? 

Yes, again. The Oilers have several expiring contracts and a few with an extra year tacked on the back, and that means there's 'savings down every aisle" for teams with hopes for the second season. Here's a quick look at what might be available:

  1. Ales Hemsky (UFA 2014): One year left at $5M, that won't be an issue. The Oilers were not getting strong offers for him a year ago (the rumored return was a 2nd and a 4th from Nashville) but if they're in the shopping mood this time I expect they'll get a 1st rd pick and a prospect back. If he's in play, Hemsky will bring a big return, and the Oilers can move Yakupov onto the 2line. I don't think it's a good idea, Yakupov and Eberle are unready to be stand alone's on the right side and Jones can't deliver like Hemsky.
  2. Ladislav Smid (UFA): Smid makes $2.25M per season and is in his walk year. Smid is on the tough minutes pairing with Jeff Petry. However, Edmonton hasn't signed him yet (I haven't heard anything about contract talks) and that might mean there's a gap between agent and team in terms of zero's on the contract. Smid is going to get paid, the Oilers have to figure out if they want to be the team to pay him. The crickets in contract talks suggest to me he is in play, and that means he'll move--Smid has extreme value as a rental. My guess is the trade talk starts at a 2nd round pick and goes up from there. Remember, the 2013 edition is considered to be a strong draft year.
  3. Ryan Whitney (UFA): He's been inconsistent all year but has shown flashes on this road trip and a team that "saw him good" might be willing to take a chance. Defensemen always have increased value at the deadline, Whitney is a veteran and a team with depth who could play him on the 3rd pairing plus PP might want him for that role. My guess is they surprise everyone and get a 3rd rd pick for the veteran.
  4. Mark Fistric (UFA): I think the Oilers sign him in the next few weeks, it is clear they like Fistric plenty. However, if a team came calling and management were of a mind to trade him I doubt the club would get less than the pick they gave up for him (3rd rd pick). Don't think it happens, though.
  5. Ryan Jones (UFA): He's coming off an eye injury, but his wheels are fine. An NHL team might want to increase their offense in the bottom 6F and have a guy who isn't afraid to get his hands dirty, either. The Oilers may also be looking to extend him, but if they get a 4th rd pick in return that's excellent value for a waiver pickup.
  6. Ben Eager (UFA 2014): One year left at $1.1M and the concussion issues are a concern. Eager is a veteran and does fill a need, so I expect there's interest if he's healthy. A coach might worry about his tendency to take penalties outside what we'd call "good" ones, but his performances in Chicago and San Jose have given him a good post-season reputation. I bet they get a 4th rd pick for him.
  7. Eric Belanger (UFA 2014): Makes $1.75M and might fill a need for a 4line C, faceoff guy and penalty killer. Belanger certainly played better this season, and did his best to fill in for Horcoff but that's a lot of lifting with not a lot of help. I think a team might see him as a solid fit for their playoff run. A 5th rd pick should be enough to get him.
  8. Nikolai Khabibulin (UFA): He's played well when healthy, but the problem is (as always) staying in the lineup. I can't imagine how many games he'd have to play in order for another team to feel safely covered in dealing for him as the backup/insurance. If someone deals for him, a 7th round pick gets it done.

WILL THEY GET ACTUAL PLAYERS BACK?

Draft picks are the deadline currency, there might be a useful AHL player available or a fringe guy. However, as it was when the team dealt Dustin Penner to Los Angeles, the pick (Klefbom) will have more value than the player (Teubert) acquired in return. Teams loading up don't want to deal anything that might help them--remember the Oilers sent Reasoner away in 2006 and then Pouliot got mono, forcing them to sign Rem Murray.

Hard to get players in return when you're offloading at the deadline.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The good news is that the Oilers top 6 forwards, Petry-J Schultz and Dubnyk form an outstanding cluster to build on. The bad news is that the players who Edmonton is trying to unload include a long list of failed airlifts--and that's been a problem for a long time.

My hope is they keep Hemsky, sign Smid and deal any of Whitney, Jones, Belanger, Eager and Khabibulin.

Is there a market for these men? History suggests the answer is yes.

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#1 VK63
March 10 2013, 12:09PM
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Trade smid, sign Fistric.

That sounds Oiler like, the gap between the minutes played... well.... Meh.. ralph will figure it out. Or something.

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#2 steve
March 10 2013, 12:12PM
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Sorry, but for some of these trades, we better not be taking back a pick. If anything we should be asking for a developed prospect. Not a top grade obviously unless your looking to move Hemsky or Smid. But Jones/Whitney/Belanger better be a propect over a pick. Otherwise we are spinning our wheels. I would keep Fistric/Smid/Jones and Hemsky unless the return is a 1st and prospect.

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#3 vetinari
March 10 2013, 12:13PM
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Looking at them in terms of picks, it seems to me that unless they get a few warm bodies back in return, there's not enough bodies in OKC to fill the gaps, even if it is just for the last few weeks of the season.

Personally, I would try to extend Smid to a 3 to 5 year deal (give him some of the money that you will save when Whitney comes off the roster) and keep Jones around for another year or two, but everyone else would be up for grabs.

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#4 Ambassador humantorch
March 10 2013, 12:14PM
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I hate having to read this article every year. #firetambo #firekevin #fireTheMall

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#5 mlcsellil
March 10 2013, 12:16PM
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I agree with everything except trading Jones. I think he's a good fit on the team, and seems like he'd be a great guy in the room. I'm surprised you didn't list Smyth.

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#6 season not played
March 10 2013, 12:18PM
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They might as well move as many of those guys as they can for draft picks. They don't have much to show for the last several drafts, except for the obvious, and the cupboards are bare in the system. Aside from Fistric, go ahead any trade any of those players. This team is years away from playing competitve hockey.

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#7 Hayek
March 10 2013, 12:18PM
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Next to Hemsky, I think I'd be willing to trade everyone on the list there. Not saying that I would just give them away, I'd want the appropriate return.

I'd want all picks back. Since Oilers are trying to fill bottom 6 roles, it shouldn't be tough to fill these through free agency.

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#8 Hayek
March 10 2013, 12:19PM
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mlcsellil wrote:

I agree with everything except trading Jones. I think he's a good fit on the team, and seems like he'd be a great guy in the room. I'm surprised you didn't list Smyth.

When you say great guy in the room, what exactly do you mean, and how does this help a hockey team?

What you are really saying is that you enjoy him on twitter, and you like the funny comments he makes in interviews.

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#9 Jay
March 10 2013, 12:21PM
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Why do you have so much faith in dubnyk? I thought this was the year we find out if he's a number 1 or not? Pretty sure were finding out that he doesn't have what it takes! He's far from being the problem of this team but he sure doesnt help. We all know his reputation of the weak goal a game, hasn't changed! He seems to always play just enough decent games to keep some people believing in him. I hope we start looking for an actual #1 good goaltending goes a long way

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#10 Jay W
March 10 2013, 12:26PM
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Look at the Habs this year with the coaching change, they are at the top of the East. They don't have any stars or skilled players (like people say Oilers have on paper), regular 6 Dmen. All 4 lines scoring, almost entire team is + side, they score even strength goals. Last year people were calling to fire their GM too. It starts from the coaching, Leafs with Carlyle, Ducks has Boudreau. Both teams are doing well too. They all have big players and play hard. Why can't the Oilers played like they did against Dallas 2 weeks ago every night? Shoot the puck, drive to the net, keep shot against down. Oilers don't have set plays, when on offensive zone they just pass the pucks around the boards. They don't shoot and then turn pucks over, they are too tired to come back to defend. Oilers Dmen get beat on 1 on 1, they don't play the body, falling all over the place. All the games are like that, to win you have to score more than other teams. Even retarded monkeys know that.

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#11 Spydyr
March 10 2013, 12:28PM
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Dubnyk that is the goalie that lets in shots from center ice. Along with a weak goal just about every game. Yeah, he is the one to build around. Teams that let in weak goals every game go far in the playoffs.The only thing that shouts number one about Dubnyk is his pay check.

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#13 mlcsellil
March 10 2013, 12:28PM
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Hayek wrote:

When you say great guy in the room, what exactly do you mean, and how does this help a hockey team?

What you are really saying is that you enjoy him on twitter, and you like the funny comments he makes in interviews.

That's right.

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#14 Time Travelling Sean
March 10 2013, 12:44PM
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A 4th for Jones? 15-20 goals is worth a 4th rounder? If Gaustad is worth a late 1st, God knows Jones is worth an early 2nd.

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#15 He Who Knows
March 10 2013, 12:53PM
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FIRE TAMBI AND K-LOWE! Smid should not be in play, one of the few guys with balls on this team. again FIRE TAMBI AND K-LOWE!

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#16 Oil Change?
March 10 2013, 12:59PM
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VK63 wrote:

Trade smid, sign Fistric.

That sounds Oiler like, the gap between the minutes played... well.... Meh.. ralph will figure it out. Or something.

I totally agree.

Get rid of Smid? He plays tones of minutes, shows passion and is the only defender that we have that is tough to play against (and nobody tell me Peckham, he is terrible against other teams bottom 6).

Actually, now that I think of it this does make sense for our management. Move a guy that we could use two more of. Don't worry Peckham, Potter and Tuebert will swallow those minutes.

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#17 Reg
March 10 2013, 12:59PM
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Oilers management will do the wrong thing. At least they are consistent.

Brian Burke was right regarding Kevin Lowe.

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#18 eastcoastoil
March 10 2013, 01:02PM
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LT,

Have you heard the line up for tonight. I read somewhere that they were entertaining putting Horcoff out with Hall and Yak?

As far as trades go, the number ones and Justin should stay. Everyone else is up for grabs. We have to give the new GM after the lottery plenty to work with for a actual rebuild.

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#19 DSF
March 10 2013, 01:02PM
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The issue with Dubnyk is whether or not he could stand the work load of a starting goaltender in the NHL since he had never performed t that level in the past.

It's not uncommon for a goalie to dafe as his workload increases.

In his last 10 starts:

1) .975

2) .862

3) .750

4) .893

5) .971

6) .867

7) .907

8) .921

9) .926

10) .846

A couple of heroic performances in there but 5 games below .900 would seem to indicate there IS a problem .

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#20 Kevin
March 10 2013, 01:04PM
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It is hard to imagine outside Oilers #1 picks and the gift Justin Schultz , you could put Eberle on the list he was ranked higher and lower in the draft by experts.

What has Oiler management done in the last 10 yrs.? Aren't these people supposed to be professionals.

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#21 eastcoastoil
March 10 2013, 01:05PM
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@DSF

Should we wait to see how he plays with Seth Jones in front of him before we dump our homegrown?

Sorry for the negative, just got finished reading the blogs over the weekend.

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#22 bleedingoil
March 10 2013, 01:09PM
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not sold on Dubnyk. I know you gotta score goals to win, but when you consistently let in weak goals every game, it deflates the players. He lets in 1 or 2 s***ty goals every game and its time to move on. He can play backup next year. Lets see if we can get a goalie in return for some of our wood.

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#23 DSF
March 10 2013, 01:09PM
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eastcoastoil wrote:

Should we wait to see how he plays with Seth Jones in front of him before we dump our homegrown?

Sorry for the negative, just got finished reading the blogs over the weekend.

Oh, I wouldn't dump him but I certainly wouldn't count on him even being an average NHL starter either.

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#24 Rod from Viking
March 10 2013, 01:11PM
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Lowetide wrote:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?season=20122013&gameType=2&team=&position=G&country=&status=&viewName=savePercentageLeaders#?navid=nav-sts-indiv

Dubnyk is tied for 15th in SP. The Oilers are tied for 26th in the NHL this afternoon.

Dubnyk isn't the problem.

Dubnyk is on a slippery slope, save percentage will continue to drop unless he gets his confidence back quickly.The soft goals are also hard on the rest of the teams confidence.If Smith doesn't re-up with the Coyotes he is the only #1 except for Luongo and Tim (no tools in the tool house) Thomas that will probably be available, oh forgot about Dipietro.

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#25 RexLibris
March 10 2013, 01:11PM
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Eager, Whitney, and Khabibulin I'd have no issues moving. Hemsky? Probably time to call it quits there. It means abandoning Yakupov, but at the same time, do we risk another injury and seeing his stock plummet even more?

Smid and Fistric are best retained, in my opinion. Perhaps Peckham would better to offer to a team, the possibility of retaining him next season may increase the return.

I don't see how we can argue that the bottom six isn't good enough and, in nearly the same breath, then suggest that Ryan Jones should be traded.

At the same time, Belanger is a quandary. Move him now and get something in return, consigning oneself to promoting Lander next season or shopping for a UFA centre, or retain him and let him spend next season as the 4th line centre before moving him at the deadline?

On the bright side, at least many of these trouble contracts are within view of ending.

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#26 Walter Sobchak
March 10 2013, 01:13PM
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eastcoastoil wrote:

Should we wait to see how he plays with Seth Jones in front of him before we dump our homegrown?

Sorry for the negative, just got finished reading the blogs over the weekend.

RE-Seth Jones, we won’t pick # 1 again and there is a very distinct possibility he will tell the Oiler to go pound sand in his interview.

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#27 Dangilitis
March 10 2013, 01:13PM
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Trading away players like Hemsky and Smid sets the team back at least another year in the rebuild, makes no sense. I am tired of people wanting to trade Hemsky. He sometimes floats a bit but is a game changer, something the Oilers sorely need more of, and he's remained fairly motivated through all the crap this team and its fans and management have put him through. That to me is a sign of character. The one year he had a talented crew with him, he was a key playoff performer as well, so you can't knock him on that. He's not a superstar, may never top 60 pts again, but he's not being asked to be a 1st liner, he is a VERY good 2nd liner and can be this way for another 4-5 years. Say you get a first rounder for him, you may have to wait 4-5 years to see a player even a shell of Hemsky, and maybe in 8 years will be better than him. Maybe.

The Oilers should only be trading away spare parts, players they don't need or that are making the team worse, unless that need will not be filled any time soon. E.g. Whitney, Eager, Potter, Peckham or Fistric (don't need both), Brown (this they will never do because they might as well tuck you know what between their legs and admit they screwed the pooch on that one, esp because he is worth a 7th at best), Petrell (PK specialist does not justify his overall suckiness when we play ES), and possibly Belanger but only if they can bring in a 4th liner who is NOT currently 2nd or 3rd caliber on our AHL affiliate.

Don't you think they should be looking at their roster and seeing what position players have been working at their entire careers (e.g. Smyth being unceremoniously thrown to the Wolves with awful 4th line linemates), or finally doing what you and others have been saying for awhile and that is trying either Hall or Paajarvi at C? Why they are suddenly trying to change Smytty makes zero sense, but looking at the depth on LW I see why they are reluctant to do anything.

I have also been following Cheechoo closely, man he's been doing well. It's a shame there's no room to at least try him out a few games in Edmonton and offer him a 2 way deal. This is the year to experiment. In the same breath that I say Hemsky is untradeable, what if he came up and had a great stretch of games as 2nd or 3rd liner, with Yak 2nd or 3rd liner in his natural position? Even if we tried him out as a 4th line RW, I can't see how he does worse than Brown or Petrell and they have depth

Top 4 RW: Eberle, Yakupov, Hemsky, (Cheechoo) and send Petrell and Brown to Siberia once a capable 4th line RW is found (should take a day of looking for the right partner) Top 4 LW: Hall?, Paajarvi?, Hartikainen, Smyth/Jones (Is Eager still here??? I don't know what's further north than Siberia, maybe Nunavut?) Top 4 C: Nuge, Gagner?, Horcoff?, Lander/Belanger?

The ? marks are there because we've been hearing rumblings of a buyout for Horcs (huge mistake this year) and if Hall or Paajarvi get tried out as centers, then one of those C's becomes expendable but leaves LW a huge weakness. As it is, it is already weak as there is no veteran presence. Another big question is will Smyth be able to play better if shifted back to LW and given proper teammates on a 3rd/4th line? If so, then Jonesy becomes expendable, as the 2 fill the same role (but do you trade away the more youthful option? I think so if Smyth recovers, because that role can easily be filled by a competent GM when/if Smyth is done). I also know there hasn't been much opportunity to trial, but what's wrong with Horcs-Hemsky-Smyth? They are all going to be gone in the next few years, and their veteran presence on their respective lines has not seemed to make a difference. Hemsky and particularly Smyth could use some familiarity in the game. I also think that the AHL 1st line may need to be split up, and that this year should now be more about planning for the future.

Paajarvi/Harski-Nuge-Eberle Hall-Gagner-Yakupov/Hemsky (Hall mentoring Yak, I know, sounds crazy but he is the only one who gives a ---- most nights) Smyth-Horcoff-Yakupov/Hemsky Paajarvi/Harski-Lander/Belanger-Jones(Cheechoo?)

As for the D - as many have mentioned, too many #4 D playing in the top 4, and 5-6 is a train wreck. They really need a 2 for one trade (ala Stoll-Greene for Visnovsky, would have worked out in our favor if we had not turned Visnovsky into one bad ankle). N Schultz or Smid and one of our blue chip D prospects (the only strength of our club right now) for a legitimate top 2 Dman. I know, they don't grow on trees, and we will probably have to wait until the end of the year to do so. But trading away Smid now for a draft pick is not the direction we need to go. Sign him for the best contract before the end of the year (because whatever it ends up being, another team in the NHL will take it), hope either his game or Nick's picks up, and find a trading partner before draft day. This is the most crucial move they can do. Then leave 5-6 open for: one player they find via trade or through free agency, and one player to bring up from AHL (Klefbom or Marincin), with Fistric or Peckham (again, just one) the only remaining Dman from the 5-6 revolving door, as a depth #7.

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#28 Rama Lama
March 10 2013, 01:18PM
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I have NO faith that management will know what to do, who to trade, and who to keep.

I suspect that I am not alone........exactly how does Brown help our current squad? We already have Eager and Hordichuck playing this role and we go and get Brown?

I say let someone else build this team, someone with a vision of what a good hockey team looks like. Tamby and LOwe have failed miserably and deserve a firing squad.

Bring Biran Burke in and do it now Katz.

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#29 Rod from Viking
March 10 2013, 01:19PM
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@Jay W

Montreal did fire their GM and he was way worse than Tambo(at least Steve he isn't an arrogant prick) The new GM Bergevin hired the new coach,bought out Gomez and added the much needed grit, he also got a healthy Markov back and has a true #1 goaltender.

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#30 Walter Sobchak
March 10 2013, 01:20PM
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These Oilers need to be moved.

Jones- he's soft, very buttery soft, who thinks hes a goal scorer now.

Petry- he is even softer, got beat up by a kid who is 5'11 190lbs.

Paajarvi-Butter soft plays on the perimeter

Eager- wont do his job, nuff said.

Belanger- Soft and is one dimensional.

Hemsky- well past due date. is a turn over machine.

Whitney- nuff said.

Peckham - No compete level and desire.

Potter - on any other NHL team he's not on it.

Hartikinen - AHL player.

Horcoff - Cap and well past due date.

Smyth - old past due date.

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#31 Chet134
March 10 2013, 01:21PM
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Let's resign everyone, draft Seth jones, extend smyth for two more years cuz he's good in the room, and blame another year on injuries ie horkoff. Of course sign management to five more years cuz its tough to make a trade right: carter, Richards, Stewart, neil, shatterkirk, Nash, Johnson, staal, sutter etc

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#32 Chet134
March 10 2013, 01:21PM
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Let's resign everyone, draft Seth jones, extend smyth for two more years cuz he's good in the room, and blame another year on injuries ie horkoff. Of course sign management to five more years cuz its tough to make a trade right: carter, Richards, Stewart, neil, shatterkirk, Nash, Johnson, staal, sutter etc

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#33 Dangilitis
March 10 2013, 01:22PM
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DSF wrote:

Oh, I wouldn't dump him but I certainly wouldn't count on him even being an average NHL starter either.

Hmm... DSF, aren't you a Wild fan? Dubnyk has a better save percentage than Backstrom behind a much weaker D. I am not saying he's our savior, but he has won the Oilers several games this year, and I certainly wouldn't count on him being a subpar NHL starter. The team definitely needs a capable insurance policy, like one of those Senator goalies. The asking price may be either an actual player or draft pick, and I don't think the Oilers management likes to trade either of those...

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#34 Puritania
March 10 2013, 01:22PM
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Trading Smid, Fistric, and Jones would be as stupid as it gets. These are the exact type of players this organization shouldn't be flushing. Get these boys signed.

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#35 Spydyr
March 10 2013, 01:23PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

These Oilers need to be moved.

Jones- he's soft, very buttery soft, who thinks hes a goal scorer now.

Petry- he is even softer, got beat up by a kid who is 5'11 190lbs.

Paajarvi-Butter soft plays on the perimeter

Eager- wont do his job, nuff said.

Belanger- Soft and is one dimensional.

Hemsky- well past due date. is a turn over machine.

Whitney- nuff said.

Peckham - No compete level and desire.

Potter - on any other NHL team he's not on it.

Hartikinen - AHL player.

Horcoff - Cap and well past due date.

Smyth - old past due date.

I can't believe it's not butter.

I'm with you on all of the above softness wise.

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#36 Calgary Oil
March 10 2013, 01:25PM
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Garrioch has written that Dubinsky is available. Although his contract is a little pricey he is the type of support player I would like to see the Oilers add. He is young, can add some offence, but even when he isn't scoring adds some functional grit and intangibles

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#37 Hemipower
March 10 2013, 01:25PM
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Remember when a goalie like Chris Osgood was deemed " not great / numbers inflated /didn't face quality shots, etc. etc. "? The reasoning was he had such an awesome defence helping him in Detroit so he didn't need to be great.

Yet captain obvious qoute's Dubnyk's number's and says there is a problem. No kidding ! Have you been watching these games ? The defence is brutal and we are averaging 4~ shots a game. We lose 60% + of the face-off's and play 99.978 % of the time in our own end. Dubnyk is the least of our worries as it is a *@#&* shame no one is helping him out after how he played at the beginning of the year.

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#38 eastcoastoil
March 10 2013, 01:25PM
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@Walter Sobchak

The thought never occurred to me that he would do that. Here i was actually looking forward to next years D

Shultlz's

Klefblom/Jones

Whitney/Petry/Fistric/Peckham/Smid/Potter/Sutton/Davidson/Fedun

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#39 admiralmark
March 10 2013, 01:26PM
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Hemsky- Yes Please to a 1st and prospect... If we don't "Guaranteed" he's inj'd before end of the season. Thats just how Hemsky Rolls. Smid- No trade would be best. He is playing top 4 minutes and at times struggles.. But would make an excellent 3rd pairing D where he belongs. Of course if that means more then 3+ Mill to sign then a trade would make sense. Whitney- Yes please to any deal... Feel bad for the guy. I think he's trying.. but you cant beat tendon and bone deformities with sheer will.. Get what you can for him. Having said that.. On a decent NHL team where he can slot in the #6 spot.. I think he could do well in a playoff run. Fistric- Love what he brings. Sign him slots in great in #6 slot. Jones- Very likeable character.. good team guy. Not sure he's that effective on the ice.. If offered a 3rd? I'd take it. Eager- Go.. just go. For anything. Belanger- God we are sad at Center. But he makes me sadder. As a 4th line Center he's serviceable. Why cant the hockey gods cut us a break and make Lander a better option?! 4th rounder i think i'd take it? Khabby- Whatever we can get. Its not that we have a great option to fill his spot... But when he's inj'd "all" the time.. we always have a better option.. Time for him to go. I would like to add Smytty to this list.. Obviously i'd discuss if he would be open to a playoff run with a contending team.. If a contending team came asking.. But if they did? I would look at making that move as well.

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#40 a lg dubl dubl
March 10 2013, 01:26PM
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Dubnyks problem imo is the lack of team defence in front of him, its not the "weak" goals he lets in but the other teams players that score goals that are so wide open they could build a house before shooting the puck on net.

Hell even Price, Fluery, and Lundquist let in a weak goal every game.

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#41 Dangilitis
March 10 2013, 01:32PM
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Rod from Viking wrote:

Montreal did fire their GM and he was way worse than Tambo(at least Steve he isn't an arrogant prick) The new GM Bergevin hired the new coach,bought out Gomez and added the much needed grit, he also got a healthy Markov back and has a true #1 goaltender.

Hey I am definitely aboard the firing of Lowe through Tambo, lets make that clear. But lets not give Bergevin too much praise. There was no amnesty buyout clause last year, and anyone with a fraction of a brain would have bought him out his year. That wasn't great management. Markov back and a #1 goalie - I didn't know Bergevin doubled as a sports trainer? His rookies have panned out nicely with Gallagher being an especially nice surprise that not even Bergevin could have expected, Pacioretty is getting even better. Subban in some people's eyes was a great move, and in others' eyes it might have set them on a collision course when the FA contract expires. The ONLY things you can give him credit for (at least at present) is picking the right coaching fit, and preying on Dallas' shallow pockets. But at least he has done that right, Oilers brass have not made a correct move that has significantly improved the team in 5 or 6 years, other than choosing the consensus #1 picks for 3 yrs running

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#42 a lg dubl dubl
March 10 2013, 01:33PM
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If management are serious about winning, they should dangle the 1st round pick this year in a package that will get them the dman they need.

Seth Jones as good as he his/will be, the team cant afford to wait on him rounding into form, I say this because Jones may turn into Barker 2.0, the Oilers cant have that, get a nhl dman that is proven with the pick.

Sign Smid, Fistric

Trade Peckham, Whitney, Potter

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#43 DSF
March 10 2013, 01:42PM
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Dangilitis wrote:

Hmm... DSF, aren't you a Wild fan? Dubnyk has a better save percentage than Backstrom behind a much weaker D. I am not saying he's our savior, but he has won the Oilers several games this year, and I certainly wouldn't count on him being a subpar NHL starter. The team definitely needs a capable insurance policy, like one of those Senator goalies. The asking price may be either an actual player or draft pick, and I don't think the Oilers management likes to trade either of those...

No, I am not a Wild fan but I do note they could move into 1st in the NW and 3rd in the WC with a win over the Canucks tonight.

I've never been able to find a credible explanation of how the quality of defense is correlated with save percentage so I remain more or less convinced that save percentage is the best way assess a goaltender.

Considering that Jonathan Quick currently has a save percentage of .895, I would conclude he's not having a very good season rather than blame his team's defense for the lousy save percentage. (Bernier is .916 playing behind the identical D).

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#44 a lg dubl dubl
March 10 2013, 01:45PM
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DSF wrote:

No, I am not a Wild fan but I do note they could move into 1st in the NW and 3rd in the WC with a win over the Canucks tonight.

I've never been able to find a credible explanation of how the quality of defense is correlated with save percentage so I remain more or less convinced that save percentage is the best way assess a goaltender.

Considering that Jonathan Quick currently has a save percentage of .895, I would conclude he's not having a very good season rather than blame his team's defense for the lousy save percentage. (Bernier is .916 playing behind the identical D).

theres gotta be a corsi or whatever its called to find out lol....JW YOUR UP!!!

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#45 rob
March 10 2013, 01:48PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

If management are serious about winning, they should dangle the 1st round pick this year in a package that will get them the dman they need.

Seth Jones as good as he his/will be, the team cant afford to wait on him rounding into form, I say this because Jones may turn into Barker 2.0, the Oilers cant have that, get a nhl dman that is proven with the pick.

Sign Smid, Fistric

Trade Peckham, Whitney, Potter

I agree,put a first round pick package together with hemsky,mps and marcinin to get us someone good!they have to keep smid and fistric!say bye bye to eager,horcoff,belanger,smyth,peckham,whitney potter and keep jones and brown(put a good center there and you have a great 4th line!)get rid of Dubnyk or get us a starter and let dubbie be the backup,but it is what it is and he sucks!if managment does not pull a trade of two this time I will be wearing a hawks jersey from now

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#46 Taylor Gang
March 10 2013, 01:49PM
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This is the year we trade Hemsky. Trade him while he still has value. I can't help but not imagine him being the long term solution, thank you for the service you've given us Hemmer but your skills are what could save this team, and I'm not talking about in Oilers silks.

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#47 Dog Train
March 10 2013, 01:50PM
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I am not sure what the gap in money is between the Oilers and Smid but I really hope that they keep him in the fold. Trading him now would be so Oiler-like. Spend years developing a player and just when he is beginning to pay dividends, you deal him for a pick. The endless cycle. He hasn't had a great season but he strikes me as a proud guy who wants to be an Oiler and I wonder if not having a deal right now is weighing on him. Who knows but he is a top-4 dman if he has the right partner with him to move the puck.

I am torn on Hemsky. I don't think that we can keep Yak out of the top 6 for too long but the last two games more or less with Hemsky hurt we have done absolutely nothing offensively. He is one of maybe 2 guys (along with Hall) that we have up front who can play power vs. power right now. It would depend on the return I suppose as this might be the time to strike while the iron is hot.

Sign Fistric. He knows his role and is a quality depth guy on a team that is devoid of consistent dmen. I like Jones but again it depends on what he wants for a contract. We need more guys who play like he does but I believe that they can be found for cheaper than he might cost.

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#48 Rod from Viking
March 10 2013, 01:52PM
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@Dangilitis

I am not giving all the credit to Bergevin but if they wouldn't have made a change I doubt if they would be in the position they are, I also did not mean he had anything to do with Markov's recovery, the point was him being healthy and the addition of Prust and Armstrong just goes to show how a few changes can make a huge difference.

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#49 DSF
March 10 2013, 01:54PM
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Calgary Oil wrote:

Garrioch has written that Dubinsky is available. Although his contract is a little pricey he is the type of support player I would like to see the Oilers add. He is young, can add some offence, but even when he isn't scoring adds some functional grit and intangibles

Hemsky for Dubinsky would be a win-win.

But I'm not sure Columbus would want to take on Hemsky's inflated contract.

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#50 Dangilitis
March 10 2013, 01:57PM
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DSF wrote:

The issue with Dubnyk is whether or not he could stand the work load of a starting goaltender in the NHL since he had never performed t that level in the past.

It's not uncommon for a goalie to dafe as his workload increases.

In his last 10 starts:

1) .975

2) .862

3) .750

4) .893

5) .971

6) .867

7) .907

8) .921

9) .926

10) .846

A couple of heroic performances in there but 5 games below .900 would seem to indicate there IS a problem .

You can use stats to prove whatever you want. 99% of all statisticians know that. Yes, brainiac, he has played worse in the last 10 games, as has the entire team in front of him. Looking past the stats, you have to figure out who has been responsible for losing the majority of the games in the last 10? His flub in Nashville didn't help, but they were already down 1-0 and didn't score any goals, so can't even fault him for that one. Detroit, ditto. 2nd Minny game he was under fire from the get go and still managed above 900 with all sorts of chances, finally collapsing in 3rd (but still outplaying opposition goaltender). Can go on for the rest of them.

Did he win us any? Well he helped get us loser points in 2 games we had no business even being in. Won us a game in CBJ that we had no business being in. Was solid in the 2nd Dallas game until the team took over.

Did he lose us any? Bad in 1st Minny game, not sure if he lost it though. Mediocre/bad luck in 1st Dallas game, could argue but I am not sure how 2 fluke goals could have been prevented by better play. Khabby bailed him out against Colorado, but had one bad goal against Duchenne who kind of surprised him accidentally, but the other 2 his D failed him.

So I would say that the balance even in these last 10 games was more in his favor. Its not normal to play 6 games in 9 nights, in any league under any circumstance. I will reserve judgment until the end of the year.

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