OILERS AT THE DEADLINE

Lowetide
March 13 2013 08:19PM

At last year's trade deadline, the Edmonton Oilers sent away 2-way defender Tom Gilbert in favor of veteran defensive defenseman Nick Schultz. It capped a 3-year period where Edmonton sent away quality, veteran players. Will we see the same this time?

2010 DEADLINE

  • March 1: Oilers trade D Denis Grebeshkov to Nashville for a 2nd round pick in the 2010 draft (Curtis Hamilton).
  • March 3: Oilers trade D Lubomir Visnovsky to Anaheim for D Ryan Whitney and a 6th rd pick in the 2010 draft (Brandon Davidson).
  • March 3: Oilers trade D Steve Staios to Calgary for D Aaron Johnson and 2011 3rd rd pick (Travis Ewanyk).

In what could be termed the 'great Barbara Ann Scott' purge of 2010, Edmonton sent away the sublime Lubo plus two other regular defensemen at a deadline that raised the white flag and sent fans to the draft preview websites.

2011 DEADLINE

  • February 28: Oilers trade L Dustin Penner to Los Angeles for D Colten Teubert, 1st rd pick in 2011 (Oscar Klefbom) and a conditional 3rd rd pick in 2012 (Daniil Zharkov).

This is a classic 'rebuilding team at the deadline' trade save for the fact Penner had another season left on his contract. Edmonton had long since tipped their hand to the fanbase that the rebuild would continue until further notice, and the deal resembles the Ryan Smyth deal of 2007 in that there were 'three assets' in return for a useful player who could contribute in a significant way to a championship run.

The Oilers have not received much at the NHL level from the deal, but that should change starting this fall and could pay dividends rolling out over a decade or more; it could also crash in a heap. Such is the nature of offloading proven talent for picks and prospects.

2012 DEADLINE

  • Februrary 27: Oilers deal D Tom Gilbert (signed through 2014 summer) to Minnesota for D Nick Schultz (also signed through 2014 summer).

This was a trade that gave Edmonton a veteran LH defender who played a safer, more sedate style of game. Gilbert's skill set on the Oilers was duplicated by the emerging Jeff Petry, an Oiler draft from 2006 who took time to develop.

TOMORROW'S JUST YOUR FUTURE YESTERDAY

The Oilers dealt off those veteran players--Lubo, Penner, Gilbert--as part of a rebuilding plan. Purge the actual NHL players, grab a wonderful tomorrow.

At some point, the men who make the decisions about this hockey club--I count Kevin Lowe, Craig MacTavish, Steve Tambellini--have to 'man up' and give these young performers some stable role players to keep the beat and play the opponents to at least a draw.

I think we're at a point where Hall the Chance Machine, Ebs, The Nuge, Yak City and Samwise can push the river if the 6's and 7's and 9's can keep the score even.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The Edmonton Oilers youth is ready to do some damage--but they need help. Today's waiver move of Ben Eager is a nice start, and I do believe there's an opportunity between now and the deadline. There's a UFA-to-be to sign and maybe a trade or two--except this time Oiler fans should expect some immediate help.

Playoffs or not, the time for rebuilding is over and the time for team building has arrived.

The path is clear, it's time to find a way.

 

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#1 oilnik
March 13 2013, 08:33PM
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I hope they find a Veteran Dman again. Someone who can play the tough minutes. They need something.

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#2 Keg on Legs
March 13 2013, 08:35PM
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I'll be the fist to say, oooooh Barbie!

too late

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#3 Tayranchula
March 13 2013, 09:00PM
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First thing I gotta say is Im glad they got rid of that bum Gilbert. Schultz is much better, dont care what anyone says or what any stupid advanced stat says. Tom Gilbert was not a hockey player he was terrible to watch.

Second thing is get Chris Stewart out of St Louis somehow. Dont care how just get him. Without trading the wonder kids.

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#4 mike
March 13 2013, 09:02PM
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Love the pizza nipples.

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#5 DSF
March 13 2013, 09:05PM
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Tayranchula wrote:

First thing I gotta say is Im glad they got rid of that bum Gilbert. Schultz is much better, dont care what anyone says or what any stupid advanced stat says. Tom Gilbert was not a hockey player he was terrible to watch.

Second thing is get Chris Stewart out of St Louis somehow. Dont care how just get him. Without trading the wonder kids.

Chris Stewart is currently the Blues' leading scorer with 11G and 23P.

I don't think you'll be getting him for spare parts.

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#6 Tayranchula
March 13 2013, 09:05PM
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Hey Lowetide I got a question.

Do you think its tough for the Oilers to have trade talks with other teams for their "impact" players without the other team only for Eberle Hall Nuge or Schultz? Like asking for big strong top line scoring winger or a top paring dman?

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#8 vetinari
March 13 2013, 09:32PM
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The Oil will actually be in decent position next year, capwise, once Whitney, Khabibulin, and Sutton's contracts and Souray's buyout are off the books, and I'm sure that there will be a dozen or so teams looking to offload talent between now and then-- now's the time to be ringing phones and knocking on doors to supplement the roster and get the players that they should have signed or traded for years ago.

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#9 Mumbai Max
March 13 2013, 09:35PM
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Would you trade Hemsky and a 2nd round pick, or Hemsky and a middling prospect (Marincin/Peckham) for Chris Stewart?

Btw, he is an expiring RFA.

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#11 The Soup Fascist
March 13 2013, 09:47PM
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I'm no doctor but I think Ms Benton may have the mumps.

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#12 Walter Sobchak
March 13 2013, 09:57PM
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See this is where I say the Oiler’s are in no way ready to move off the rebuild.

They need a number 1 defenseman.

I don’t care how many points Gagner has…He is not the center this team need's moving forward.

The Oilers have to find replacements for Horcoff, Smyth, Belanger, Petrel, Whitney, Hemsky , Potter , Hartikainen

The Oilers still have to get tougher in the bottom six.

Like LT said, find player's to mix in the top six.

The Oilers just don’t have the assets to move for these pieces.

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#13 SuperM
March 13 2013, 10:03PM
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San Jose can't buy a goal right now. I wouldn't mind Ryan Clowe for Hemmer....A big body that can play in the top 6

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#14 Mumbai Max
March 13 2013, 10:11PM
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Lowetide wrote:

No, I wouldn't make that deal.

What is the most you would send them for Stewart?

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#15 Serious Gord
March 13 2013, 10:21PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

See this is where I say the Oiler’s are in no way ready to move off the rebuild.

They need a number 1 defenseman.

I don’t care how many points Gagner has…He is not the center this team need's moving forward.

The Oilers have to find replacements for Horcoff, Smyth, Belanger, Petrel, Whitney, Hemsky , Potter , Hartikainen

The Oilers still have to get tougher in the bottom six.

Like LT said, find player's to mix in the top six.

The Oilers just don’t have the assets to move for these pieces.

Hear, hear.

The top five are the only untradables. We took the best players in the draft regardless of their position with the intent of dealing the lesser surplus talent to fill out the team. Hemsky AND gagner are BOTH surplus goods and both are playing at or near the top of their game. This is the perfect time to deal them.

The test is... Do kl@t have the guts to pull the trigger?

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#17 David S
March 13 2013, 10:36PM
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Only a freaking idiot would offload proven talent for picks and prosp...

Nevermind.

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#18 David S
March 13 2013, 10:38PM
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Talk around the intertubes is that Smid is on the block in some form for Jack Johnson. I cannot fathom how stupid that is.

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#19 Woogie63
March 13 2013, 10:45PM
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We need the Right body vs.the Right draft pick. We have lots of bodies to trade, The right body IMO would be a young 1/2 defenseman.

Look to Jack Carlson, Either of the Johnsons , Cam Fowler, one of the Pens Defenseman....that caliber...

The give could be some combination of Hemsky, Whitney, Jones, Yakopov.

I would over pay in hockey trade to get that one piece we need...a great, +25 minute a night dman.

Need that top dman vs. the goal scorer ...

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#20 Devon
March 13 2013, 10:51PM
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Hey LT, what about going out and using their depth on D to acquire a skilled depth center. They could really use a number one guy down their that's good enough to play a regular shift at the NHL level and not get killed. Lander's about the closest guy and he could use at least another year full time in the AHL. Anyone currently on D with Okalahoma you'd be willing to part with and whom might they be able to acquire? It's only a minor deal, but something they should look at especially when they could have all three of Klefboom, Gernat and Musil taking regular shifts the Barons next fall.

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#21 David S
March 13 2013, 10:51PM
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Let's stop the "Yakupov for XXXX" crazy talk, shall we? Kid's playing top 6 minutes right outta the box despite being a defensive calamity. We need that big juicy D-man, we can buy him this summer or trade Hemsky + a second rounder.

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#22 Arnie Wallburger
March 13 2013, 10:54PM
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That girl has huge nipples

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#23 Tayranchula
March 13 2013, 10:56PM
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Hey Lowetide

I should have phrased my question better. I know the Oilers dont need any "impact" forwards cause they already have those, Im talking more about a top end "imapact" Dman like a Keith or Seabrook (AND I KNOW THE HAWKS AND OILERS ARENT GOING TO MAKE THAT DEAL JUST AN EXAMPLE) or a big physical skilled forward (which dont fall off trees, so thats why the asking price is always huge).

Also about Stewart. Ya he is inconsitent (maybe not as bad as Penner has been before) but so is every other big skilled guy not named Lindros. The thing I like about Stewart is, he is really hard to compete against. So even if he isnt scoring at that particular time he still makes it diffucult to play against for the other teams best players or dman.

I like the St louis Blues forwards group because they are so skilled but also have the abbility to wear down the others teams player.

On another note how about Jake Gardiner agent tweeting what he did. Maybe him and Schultz want to have a reunion because I sure would welcome it.

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#24 Time Travelling Sean
March 13 2013, 11:06PM
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@Tayranchula

What did his agent tweet? :@

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#25 eastcoastoil
March 13 2013, 11:15PM
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@Time Travelling Sean

#FreeJakeGardnier

He's playing in the AHL with 30 points in 40 gmaes.

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#26 eastcoastoil
March 13 2013, 11:17PM
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@Time Travelling Sean

Gardiner was asked about it after a marlies game tonight and just said he was waiting for his oppurtunity. Toronto is doing well but has issues on the back end and he isn't the only one sitting out of the show

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#27 @Oilanderp
March 13 2013, 11:23PM
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Don't forget the Smid to DET trade of 2013 for a 2nd rnd pick and a bag of Lidstrom's hair.

Most of us were broken up about that one, but we got over it once our top 6 d-men were Lidstrom clones.

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#28 RSD
March 13 2013, 11:25PM
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David S wrote:

Talk around the intertubes is that Smid is on the block in some form for Jack Johnson. I cannot fathom how stupid that is.

I've heard instead of smid it's ebs and a 1st rounder for jack Johnson. If that were true Tambi better be a doomsday prepper. )= (

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#29 GVBlackhawk
March 13 2013, 11:26PM
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David S wrote:

Talk around the intertubes is that Smid is on the block in some form for Jack Johnson. I cannot fathom how stupid that is.

Bringing in Jack Johnson is a dreadful idea. He is a defensive trainwreck.

Dubinsky, Anisimov, and John Moore would the targets in Columbus.

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#30 Walter Sobchak
March 13 2013, 11:33PM
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David S wrote:

Only a freaking idiot would offload proven talent for picks and prosp...

Nevermind.

I agree with you David except.

I would use Gagner and Petry for that defensemen, cause let’s face it; you’re not getting a number 1 defensemen without giving up more.

Petry become’s expendable, because I think the Oilers expect Klefbom to fit right in.

Hemsky and a pick won’t get you that player. Gagner has more value.

While I tend to agree with giving up proven talent for pick or prospects, I would in a heartbeat give up Hemsky for a pick in the top 10 - 15 of this year’s draft only.

One that can fill Horcoffs spot within the Next year or two.

This because Hemsky’s position is filled already, the Oilers have to draft two centers in this draft IMO.

Hemsky makes also makes a cap crunching 5 million.

The Oiler’s can then possible deal Jones and Belanger as a package or separate for picks or prospects.

Would Jones and a prospect get you Gardiner? One would have to think so.

Would Gardiner be an upgrade on Potter,Peckham,Fistric, I would think so.

I would use one of the two second round pick’s this year plus a player/ prospect for Ryane Clowe in a trade and sign situation, the player could possibly be Whitney.

The Oilers will need to move out the remaining players on this year’s roster to make way for new players that will compete better for a playoff position next season.

Time to move out dead weight.

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#31 GVBlackhawk
March 13 2013, 11:34PM
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Woogie63 wrote:

We need the Right body vs.the Right draft pick. We have lots of bodies to trade, The right body IMO would be a young 1/2 defenseman.

Look to Jack Carlson, Either of the Johnsons , Cam Fowler, one of the Pens Defenseman....that caliber...

The give could be some combination of Hemsky, Whitney, Jones, Yakopov.

I would over pay in hockey trade to get that one piece we need...a great, +25 minute a night dman.

Need that top dman vs. the goal scorer ...

NEW RULE: if you cannot spell Yakupov's name correctly, you are not allowed to suggest a trade involving him.

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#32 Walter Sobchak
March 13 2013, 11:36PM
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RSD wrote:

I've heard instead of smid it's ebs and a 1st rounder for jack Johnson. If that were true Tambi better be a doomsday prepper. )= (

This is an incredibly stupid rumor……just pie in the sky sh!t.

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#33 Hammers
March 13 2013, 11:57PM
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All I know is anyone can be traded but if our management group keeps taking picks and not players we will be on this merry go round for years.What about a package deal of say Whitney, Tuebert and Hartski for a top 3 "D"from Columbus or a center. If its a 3rd rd pick for Whit it means we gave up Green & Stoll for a 3rd . WAKE UP >

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#34 Mr. Common sense
March 14 2013, 12:02AM
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The oil need these 4 players and they are set:

Steve Ott (for the love of god get him Tammy!), Brandon Dubinsky, Wayne Simmons, Curtis Glencross

These 4 would be PERFECT complimentary players, rugged, hard mothers who can play, skate and take a pound of flesh. You'd see Noogie's, ebbs and yak play 2ft taller.

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#35 Acumen
March 14 2013, 12:02AM
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@RSD

Would this rumor happen to come from the HF Boards rumor thread where a poster incorrectly claimed that Johnson was traded for Carter and a first (when the first actually went WITH Johnson), and claimed the equivalent would be Eberle and a first?

Because that was never even presented as a rumor. And it's not worth repeating.

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#36 RSD
March 14 2013, 12:48AM
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Acumen wrote:

Would this rumor happen to come from the HF Boards rumor thread where a poster incorrectly claimed that Johnson was traded for Carter and a first (when the first actually went WITH Johnson), and claimed the equivalent would be Eberle and a first?

Because that was never even presented as a rumor. And it's not worth repeating.

Read it on FlamesNation posted by RexLibris. Seemed nervous about it.

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#37 SmyttyForMayor
March 14 2013, 12:58AM
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What about Hemsky +++++ for Shattenkirk? St. Louis needs a scoring forward, and Shattenkirk is one of the best defenceman in the league in my eye. Would Hemsky, Whitney, Marincin and a 2nd/3rd be enough for St.Louis?

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#38 SmyttyForMayor
March 14 2013, 01:16AM
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Plus the 2014 1st round pick. Just looked up Shattenkirk's stats, and wow, he would be awesome to have. Am I out to lunch?

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#39 andrewmk20
March 14 2013, 01:42AM
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@SmyttyForMayor

Not going to happen. Shattenkirk has become the centerpiece of the Stewart/Johnson deal between St. Lou and Colorado. In fact the reason Chris Stewart's name is out there in trade rumours is because St. Louis needs the cap space to re-sign Berglund, Shattenkirk and Alex Pietrangelo and they also need to fill out the rest of the roster because they only have 12 players currently signed for 2013-14 and the cap is dropping by 6M.

I know that given what's happened since Horcoff has been back that the Oilers need him pretty badly but would it be out of the question to send him and a healthy Khabi to Chicago for a pick and Victor Stalberg. Chicago would get insurance in net and a good third line center and the Oilers would get a good top 9 player who can play either wing and has good size at 6'3 209. I know the hawks can't keep Horcoff past this season because of cap issues so the deal would be contigent on Chicago being willing to use one of their buyout compliances on Horcoff. Then it would be a matter of re-signing Horcoff. Would that be a ridiculous scenario?

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#40 Sanaa Montana
March 14 2013, 02:10AM
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Gagner, Whitney, prospect and a pick will get the Oilers something nice at the trade deadline.

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#41 Curcro
March 14 2013, 03:46AM
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How about Tambellini, Moroz, a 2nd Rd Pick for Ken Holland?

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#42 bwar
March 14 2013, 04:13AM
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In my opinion, until we replace some pieces in our current management, we are in a rebuild.

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#43 106 and 106
March 14 2013, 04:15AM
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When we had such defensive needs, would it have been too much to trade anyone else but Gilbert, for Schultz? What's wrong with having a competition for these spots?

And now these rumours about Smid - we should keep Smid AND add another defensemen. You can't take away our minute-eater, shot-blocker and expect to be any better.

Come on Management - ADD, not subtract (subtract the forwards Gagner, Hemsky, 4th liners - not the productive defensemen).

I mean what kind of organization doesn't even begin contract talks with a guy who clearly likes (Oil Change) being on this team and in this city.

Maybe they should hire another management position to deal with talking contracts ahead of their expiration date, Mr. Dithers is too busy assessing (and cue Howson's return).

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#44 season not played
March 14 2013, 06:52AM
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This team should not make another major transaction until it changes management. That includes the draft.

Is there any way they can replace a management and scouting staff in time for this draft so they can stop flushing draft picks down the toilet?

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#45 gcw_rocks
March 14 2013, 08:06AM
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Lowetide wrote:

No, I wouldn't make that deal.

Would you trade them straight up?

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#46 Romanus
March 14 2013, 08:53AM
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David S wrote:

Only a freaking idiot would offload proven talent for picks and prosp...

Nevermind.

Good way to keep the rebuild going a few more years. Sigh.

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#47 Spydyr
March 14 2013, 09:00AM
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Arnie Wallburger wrote:

That girl has huge nipples

Really, Hadn't noticed. Said no hetro man. Ever.

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#48 Neal
March 14 2013, 09:15AM
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Only thing guys is, it's not as easy as some of the posts are implying. I share the frustration of Tambellini's errors over time, but am REALLY hesitant to let him get the idea he should "do something". I go back to what MacT said: "...important to not do anything stupid". In order to get quality, we have to give up quality, unless there's a GM out there dumber than T. I don't know of any (maybe Snow but they have Dougie too). So, to be more real, we have to think about upgrading and changing the composition of the team by investing some of our quality players. "Whitney and Potter for Crosby" trades ain't gonna happen. Our junk is not going to get us anything more than small upgrades to better junk. (Like Brown/Eager). That's a good thing but isn't going to get us the keys to the Cup. The elephant in the room is having 5 crown jewels who are all sort of the same size and skill set. I won't dare chance the vilification by going there! So, first move? Hemsky and whatever for something big, fast, with hands, and most of all, who doesn't turn the puck over every shift. After that it gets trickier. Just sayin'

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#49 Lochenzo
March 14 2013, 09:36AM
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I'd ask Glen about Brian Boyle. Big center having a very bad year in NY. He's a 3rd line guy but he brings elements that this team needs. NYR should be looking to bolster their team for the playoffs. Any time you have Richards, Nash, Lundqvist and Gaborik together, you should be thinking Stanley Cup run.

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#50 A-Mc
March 14 2013, 09:48AM
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SuperM wrote:

San Jose can't buy a goal right now. I wouldn't mind Ryan Clowe for Hemmer....A big body that can play in the top 6

Clowe is a UFA this summer. Might not need to trade anything for him

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