YAK'S ICE AND HASTEN DOWN THE WIND

Lowetide
March 16 2013 09:25AM

When it comes to the Edmonton Oilers, it seems everyone is looking "long term." Ralph Krueger is taking the longer view in regard to Nail Yakupov's development, and Ladislav Smid is willing to stay with the Oilers--wants to--but also wants the security of a long term deal. Does Ralph have it right? Is Laddy worth a long term deal?

Ralph Krueger is taking things slow with Nail Yakupov. Is it a good idea? Yakupov is a tremendously talented young player, but he's been sitting during most games with the score close in the third period.

Despite being a #1 overall selection, Yakupov is a long way from being the most used rookie in the NHL:

TOI 12-13 FORWARDS (ROOKIE DIVISION)

There are a lot of players getting more TOI per game than Yakupov, and I'd guess most of it comes in the third period. Why would Ralph do this? Well, one logical conclusion would be that young Nail is not familiar enough with many of the disciplines of the NHL game to execute them consistently. Thus coach Krueger goes with Lennart Petrell (or, unfortunately last night, Mike Brown) or Ryan Smyth when he tightens the bench. I have no quarrel with it, a lot of what  Yakupov is experiencing now might have to do with previous coaching styles and tactics. Not every #1 overall selection arrives in the NHL as capable as Taylor Hall, and Yakupov's potential can only be helped by bringing him along at a pace that matches his development.

Backing off the Yak in terms of playing time may also protect him from injury, something the Oilers were unable to do with Hall and the Nuge.

I'm fine with sitting Yakupov in the third period, but would prefer the Oilers had a very capable veteran--someone who won't take a penalty--in the role to replace him. I don't expect this will be an issue next season.

SIGNING LADDY

We talked about the importance of signing Ladislav Smid not long ago, and it's good news to know the Oilers have started negotiations with the young veteran. Smid would be one of the very valuable free agents this summer if it gets that far, and Edmonton is extremely vulnerable at the position. Quoting Edmonton Sun's Robert Tychkowski in an article from yesterday:

  • “It’s a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to be an unrestricted free agent,” he said, adding he’s looking for a four- or five-year deal. “I’ve worked hard for it. I would like to be here, when you see the talent and the future of this team, it’s very bright. I’d like to be here but it’s a business. A business for them and a business for me, as well. I would prefer to stay here. We’ll see what’s going to happen."

My guess is he gets signed, but there might be some sticker shock among the fanbase. Smid's holding some nice cards.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

The time for rebuilding is done, and the time for team building is here. The actions of Ralph Krueger on the ice--being perhaps overly patient with Yakupov--and the actions of the management trio off the ice in regard to Smid, will be a major story of the spring and summer and the team build.

We wait.

Lowetide at High Noon is on Team 1260 today (noon to 2pm Edmonton time) featuring:

  • Rob Vollman from ESPN and Hockey Prospectus. We'll talk about his brilliant player usage charts and specifically look at the Oilers. Their big blue bubbles (good) are in the "two way sector" and are youngsters, and their big red bubbles (bad) are in the less sheltered sector and are older, more mature players.

  • Scott Taylor from Winnipeg. Scott is a legendary writer and personality and always good for insight and a hearty laugh. We'll discuss our national obsession: knocking the Leafs out of the playoffs. Also, some Jets talk (they are a strange team) and I'll ask some deadline questions.
  • Michael Parkatti from Boys On the Bus is doing outstanding work and we'll talk about some of the innovative ideas and findings he is bringing to the Oilogosphere.
  • David Staples from Cult of Hockey. We'll talk about the Oilers and their playoff chances, look at the trade deadline and I'll ask about Ryan Whitney's recent improvement.
  • Jason Strudwick from Team 1260 will give us insight into the Oilers and this stretch run. I'll ask about Horcoff's future, Krueger's 3rd period decisions and what the Oilers have to do in order to close the deal on games like last night.
  • Kent Simpson from the Team 1260 Oil Kings pbp team. The OK won their 50th game last night, that's two seasons in a row. I'll ask Kent about the differences between the two teams and we'll talk Lazar, Moroz, Gernat and others.

Hope you can join me, should be fun.

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#1 skeptik
March 16 2013, 09:31AM
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Lemme be the FIST to say I can't keep drinking away the pain from these losses. Also nails a beast.

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#2 book¡e
March 16 2013, 09:39AM
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So, you think Smid will be signed? You should talk to that other Lowetide over at Alan Mitchell's site because just two days ago he said that Smid is already gone, it's done.

For the record, I agree with you and think the other lowetide is a little overly dramatic at times.

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#3 skeptik
March 16 2013, 09:41AM
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It is lame to see how krueger is using yak. Fourth line . Sitting periods. I don't know how anyone can expect this kid to produce. He is talented, no doubt. He needs to be leaned on a little. Builds character

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#5 steveb12344
March 16 2013, 09:58AM
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Poor Horc! He just looks so lonely up there in extreme "shutdown" territory. lol

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#6 DieHard
March 16 2013, 10:00AM
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LT: off topic but...

How do rookie bonuses work with the new CBA. Same as it always was or was there a change?

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#9 T__Bone88
March 16 2013, 10:16AM
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I can't see Smid getting more than 4 million a year. 3.25-3.75 million is more the range he will be in. Although Smid is one of the best defensemen on the team, blocking shots and being good on the PK shouldn't warrant more than 4 million a year. If he produced more points then yes he is worth 4 million, and not playing a single playoff game does not work in his favor. Similar players like Boychuk, Salvador and Jackman don't have a cap hit over 3.5 million.

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#10 RexLibris
March 16 2013, 10:20AM
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The Smid contract (presumably 5 years, $4.5 million per) may, as you say, have some sticker shock for fans in the first year.

However, like Gilbert's contract, with Smid's gradual improvement and the likely increase of the salary cap, within four or five years it would probably be in the range of market value.

Provided the term is there, I'm okay with the dollar figure as shot-blocking defensemen usually have a stable market value in the event the team ever needs to jettison his cap hit in favour of another player.

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#11 RexLibris
March 16 2013, 10:25AM
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I find the continuing argument from outside observers that the Oilers have thrown their rookie players to the wolves interesting when looking at Yakupov's TOI this year.

Some of those same critics would probably turn around and in the same breath suggest that Yakupov is a bust because he isn't doing as well as the other rookies did in the seasons where the Oilers shouldn't have been playing them.

If that makes any sense.

Thank the sweet heavens that the team has finally arrived at a point where every 1st round pick taken hereafter won't be asked to step in and make a difference in their first year.

Depth. I'd almost forgotten how comforting it can be. Now, to fill out defense, centre, goaltending and the left wing...

*sigh*

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#12 turnover
March 16 2013, 10:42AM
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If Smid got paid $30,000 for every shot he blocked he'd probably make $4,000,000 per year.

If the Oilers charged him $30,000 for every giveaway/turnover he created, he would owe them $4,000,000.

So overrated it's unreal. He's a 5-6 maybe even 7th defenceman on a good team.

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#13 Rama Lama
March 16 2013, 11:03AM
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I love SMID and would like him to stay.........but for 4 to 5 mil per season it seems to me we can bring in a shutdown player of his style for a lot less? He is a warrior and I love his style of play........but the money part is hard to get over. I beleive that Fistric replaces him nicely and would probably sign for less.

We need to go get Chris Stewert, this is they type of player we lack.

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#14 Jay
March 16 2013, 11:05AM
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If smid gets 4.5 mil what is gagner worth? And I assume simply because RNH was a 1st overall selection he'll get his 6mil without needing to earn it. This team's slowly transforming from the worst team in hockey to the most expensive underperforming team in hockey

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#15 morgie99
March 16 2013, 11:18AM
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Lowetide, what the hell are you talking about blaming Brown for the penalty, it was a BS call, he didn't even touch the detroit player with his stick, detroit player flings his head back and the ref buys it

and you blame Brown, give me a break

thats poor lowetide, poor

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#17 DaveChamp
March 16 2013, 11:22AM
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Trade him for Chris Stewart, then sign him in the summer.

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#18 MAC962
March 16 2013, 11:33AM
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It takes time, but R.K. is as much a Rookie as Yak, and i think some of the choices he is making prove it. R.K. needs or needed a little more time to learn the NHL game. A seasoned Coach is what this young group needs. Too Late now i know, a Lindy Ruff or even a Brent Sutter would have been better i feel for the first while. Sutter wears thin quickly i know but....

R.K. makes some questionable decesions.

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#19 morgie99
March 16 2013, 11:40AM
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Lowetide wrote:

I'm not blaming Brown, I'm blaming Krueger. Brown is much more likely to take a penalty, and he did. I get the idea of wanting a veteran out there instead of Yakupov, but they didn't need a goal.

They needed the clock to tick. The 4th liners to move up were Smyth and Petrell, not Brown.

so a bad call proves your suspicions Brown would take a penalty?

so what if the call wasn't made, and he didn't take another penalty, then what

i think you reaching to support your theory Lowetide

which is fairly common, Gregor uses extremes to support his arguments all the time, not saying you do, but that's a reach at best

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#20 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
March 16 2013, 11:42AM
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Oilers certainly need multiple upgrades on the blueline. Smid,Nick Schultz, same thing, don't need two of them. Whitney, Petry, both similar as well. Once management wants to distance themselves from this intentional tanking mode they're in, it'll be great to see them go hard after a guy like Shea Weber. We've all certainly had our fill of managements assess,differ differ.... and then do nothing to address the many holes on this hockey club.

Krueger is doing a fine job of taking the fun out of the game for Yakupov, hardly see the kid having fun since the seasons first week. If they feel they're going to turn him into another systems puppet, then he won't last long here in Edmonton. Systems play is for losers to use when you don't have enough talent on the roster. That's not the case now. The sooner they shed this 90's style coaching, the better.

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#21 admiralmark
March 16 2013, 11:42AM
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Smid for 4 million / year. I would be ok with. At 4.5 million per year it s an overpay even if it is market value. On a good to very good team he would be in the #4 or even #5 slot. But my biggest concern here is when does this team ever sign a "value" contract?? If we continuously pay the market price or above then this has a trickle down affect for years to come. Give him 5 years for 20 million MAX!

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#22 Old Retired Guy
March 16 2013, 11:51AM
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turnover wrote:

If Smid got paid $30,000 for every shot he blocked he'd probably make $4,000,000 per year.

If the Oilers charged him $30,000 for every giveaway/turnover he created, he would owe them $4,000,000.

So overrated it's unreal. He's a 5-6 maybe even 7th defenceman on a good team.

I think you have to ask yourself, "what are you not seeing that EVERY professional analyst in the industry does see??"

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#23 Taylor Gang
March 16 2013, 11:58AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Oilers certainly need multiple upgrades on the blueline. Smid,Nick Schultz, same thing, don't need two of them. Whitney, Petry, both similar as well. Once management wants to distance themselves from this intentional tanking mode they're in, it'll be great to see them go hard after a guy like Shea Weber. We've all certainly had our fill of managements assess,differ differ.... and then do nothing to address the many holes on this hockey club.

Krueger is doing a fine job of taking the fun out of the game for Yakupov, hardly see the kid having fun since the seasons first week. If they feel they're going to turn him into another systems puppet, then he won't last long here in Edmonton. Systems play is for losers to use when you don't have enough talent on the roster. That's not the case now. The sooner they shed this 90's style coaching, the better.

What's up with you and Shea Weber? Every post you talk about getting Weber as if it's a possibility. Even if Nashville was making him expendable (which is incredibly unlikely) then we wouldn't be able to compete with teams that wanted him, that is unless we traded one of the kids. But you don't want to, do you? You think that Poille, one of the best GM's in the NHL, would give up Weber for a Gagner Hemsky package. Do you have any idea how much value Weber has? We'd be more likely to get both the Sedin twins than Weber, ESPECIALLY if names that weren't Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, or Yakupov were included.

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#24 LinkfromHyrule
March 16 2013, 12:09PM
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Trading gagner would be moronic at this point. Our most consistent player this year and one of the few who seems to give a crap every game. We cannot trade away what we are already lacking in for the risk of a trade paying off. The payoff of any trade dealing with gagner would have to be very high to make it worth it, and I just don't see it happening.

As has already been stated i think hemsky would be the best choice but not at the deadline for draft picks. We can't afford to keep drafting, veterans is what we need.

Sadly, seeing the "blockbuster" trades that the circus we call management has made leads me to believe any trade we are involved in will leave us out to dry. Those two wins at the end of our road trip have bolstered tambo to believe there is nothing wrong with this team. Two decent games (one of which we almost lost) cannot make us forget what is wrong with this team!

Also trading for weber? That would take epicly sized gonads the likes of which tambo could only dream of. Besides why would nashville ever trade a franchise defenseman like that

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#25 TonyT
March 16 2013, 12:12PM
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@Lowetide

What are Yak's OT numbers? Ever since the OT magic in Phoenix it SEEMS he's never out there.

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#26 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
March 16 2013, 12:50PM
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@Taylor Gang

Where do you kids keep coming from....

A player doesn't have to be "frigging made expendable" for there to be a deal happen (insert fawking Gretzky trade here). Alot of deals that are made are often financial ones, let alone ones made for family reasons. In a small revenue sharing dependant market like Nashville, this deal will become a ball and chain sooner rather than later. Give it till the summer of 2014 and he'll certainly be wearing a different jersey. Edmonton, with nearly the highest ticket prices in the league, is likely soon to start robbing from the poor again rather than being the victim. There are cap teams, like the Oilers will soon be, and then there's the Nashvilles of the world whom limp through year by year in that markey/economy. Shea Weber is a luxury vehicle the Oilers can afford.

Sometimes shedding your financial responsibilties to a player is what justifies making a deal like this. The Predators have operated much closer to the salary floor than they have near the cap for a reason these last 20 yrs.

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#27 turnover
March 16 2013, 12:53PM
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Old Retired Guy wrote:

I think you have to ask yourself, "what are you not seeing that EVERY professional analyst in the industry does see??"

The liability maybe? ..."EVERY professional analyst in the industry"? Seems to me, that most of those "professional analyst" also said the Oilers were the team to watch in the west. The Oilers should open their eyes, and not their wallets to this guy.

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#28 Taylor Gang
March 16 2013, 12:56PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Where do you kids keep coming from....

A player doesn't have to be "frigging made expendable" for there to be a deal happen (insert fawking Gretzky trade here). Alot of deals that are made are often financial ones, let alone ones made for family reasons. In a small revenue sharing dependant market like Nashville, this deal will become a ball and chain sooner rather than later. Give it till the summer of 2014 and he'll certainly be wearing a different jersey. Edmonton, with nearly the highest ticket prices in the league, is likely soon to start robbing from the poor again rather than being the victim. There are cap teams, like the Oilers will soon be, and then there's the Nashvilles of the world whom limp through year by year in that markey/economy. Shea Weber is a luxury vehicle the Oilers can afford.

Sometimes shedding your financial responsibilties to a player is what justifies making a deal like this. The Predators have operated much closer to the salary floor than they have near the cap for a reason these last 20 yrs.

Where do you kids keep coming from?

Alright then, because I don't believe Weber is a realistic player to come to Edmonton I'm a kid? This isn't NHL 13. You can't just trade half of our team for a guy like Weber. Put yourself in Poille's shoes: would YOU trade Weber without a big name coming back?

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#29 Jasmine
March 16 2013, 01:01PM
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turnover wrote:

If Smid got paid $30,000 for every shot he blocked he'd probably make $4,000,000 per year.

If the Oilers charged him $30,000 for every giveaway/turnover he created, he would owe them $4,000,000.

So overrated it's unreal. He's a 5-6 maybe even 7th defenceman on a good team.

And the Oilers hatred continues. Oilers fans have criticized team ever since Slats left. When Lowe made first trade, fans wanted him fired. Now they say Lowe is still GM and Tambo is still a puppet.

Why wasn't Slats ever criticized for his bad moves. He was never criticized for the bad move but Lowe gets criticized for good moves. Lowe was criticized after every trade. Oilers fans are the reason Tambo is now GM and not Lowe.

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#30 Jasmine
March 16 2013, 01:03PM
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@Jay

Typical for Oilers fans as they can't do anything but criticize the team no matter what ever since Slats left left. It's getting ridiculous. Oilers fans have a habit of running players out of town.

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#31 David S
March 16 2013, 01:06PM
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skeptik wrote:

It is lame to see how krueger is using yak. Fourth line . Sitting periods. I don't know how anyone can expect this kid to produce. He is talented, no doubt. He needs to be leaned on a little. Builds character

We're so used to seeing young first-year players abused with way more minutes and ice time than they should realistically be given *cough, Gagner, cough* that when a new guy gets handled the way most other teams do it, we think it's a bench management issue.

"Play the young guys! Beat 'em up and put 'em away wet every damn game!"

It's right up there with "SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!"

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#32 Jasmine
March 16 2013, 01:07PM
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morgie99 wrote:

Lowetide, what the hell are you talking about blaming Brown for the penalty, it was a BS call, he didn't even touch the detroit player with his stick, detroit player flings his head back and the ref buys it

and you blame Brown, give me a break

thats poor lowetide, poor

Brown in the paper today said he didn't touch the Detroit player and doesn't know why he got the penalty.

Detroit got away with worse infractions all night. Last game vs Detroit, Oilers didn't get a single PP chance.

I'm getting sick and tired of the infractions Detroit does and gets away with. Why do refs have a love affair with Detroit. This happens year after year after year after year.

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#33 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
March 16 2013, 01:11PM
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@David S

Let me fix that for you David....

"Play the young guys! cuz they're already so much damn better than the retreaded veterans in place here!"

It's right up there with SQUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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#34 Jasmine
March 16 2013, 01:11PM
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admiralmark wrote:

Smid for 4 million / year. I would be ok with. At 4.5 million per year it s an overpay even if it is market value. On a good to very good team he would be in the #4 or even #5 slot. But my biggest concern here is when does this team ever sign a "value" contract?? If we continuously pay the market price or above then this has a trickle down affect for years to come. Give him 5 years for 20 million MAX!

According to Oilers fans, no matter the contract, they'd be an overpayment. Some so-called Oilers fans think the whole team is overpaid.

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#35 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
March 16 2013, 01:22PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Where do you kids keep coming from?

Alright then, because I don't believe Weber is a realistic player to come to Edmonton I'm a kid? This isn't NHL 13. You can't just trade half of our team for a guy like Weber. Put yourself in Poille's shoes: would YOU trade Weber without a big name coming back?

Hey, Edmonton wrote the book on the "We'll take your 3 twenty dollar bills, in exchange for our 100 dollar bill" type trades. If Poile doesn't want to take on 14 mill in salary, then offer him the first rounder in 14. He'd still save some cash taking Hemsky,Smid and the first rounder. You'd have to admit, spreading 3 pretty good players throughout his lineup, he'd have atleast give it some thought. The money issue alone (all tied up in one player) leads me to believe he'll be on the move in the next 18 months.

The shoe is on the other foot now, payback may be a biotch for floor teams (financially challenged like the Oilers were in the 90's). One player (Pronger), can make a huge difference. Edmonton can afford a Weber type now.

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#36 Jay
March 16 2013, 01:54PM
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Cloutier from hockey buzz put this together Cap Situation after Re-Signs 2013/2014

Forwards (14) Taylor Hall $6mil Jordan Eberle $6mil Shawn Horcoff $5.5mil Ales Hemsky $5mil Sam Gagner $4.5mil Nail Yakupov $3.775mil Ryan Nugent-Hopkins $3.775mil Ryan Smyth $2.25mil Eric Belanger $1.75mil Magnus Paajarvi $1.5mil Ryan Jones $1.5mil Teemu Hartikainen $1.2mil Lennart Petrell $1.1mil Mike Brown $736,667

Total Cap Hit - $44.59mil

Defense(7) Justin Schultz $3.775milTotal Cap Hit - $44.59mil

Defense(7) Justin Schultz $3.775mil Ladislav Smid $3.5mil Nick Schultz $3.5mil Ryan Whitney $3mil Jeff Petry $1.75mil Mark Fistric $1.6mil Oscar Klefbom $1.275mil

Total Cap Hit - $18.375mil

Goal Devan Dubnyk $3.5mil Random Backup $1mil Total Projected Team Cap Number 2013/2014: $67.465mil

Cap Ceiling will be $64.3mil, so this means the Oilers would be $3.165mil OVER the cap ceiling.

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#37 Jay
March 16 2013, 02:05PM
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That's with smid at 3.5, before RNH and Yak get their raises. Kinda scary

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#38 bazmagoo
March 16 2013, 02:38PM
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Lowetide, I've been wondering about something. Horcoff's actual salary is much lower than his cap hit for the next two seasons, is it possible for the Oilers to buy him out in the summer then resign him?

If we were able to resign him at $2 - $2.5 million per season this would probably make it a little easier to swallow for the fans and against the cap. But, if I remember correctly, I don't think you were allowed to resign players you bought out under the previous CBA. Has this changed?

Say the Oilers bought him out (would cost $4.66 million I believe) then resigned him at $2.5 million for 3 seasons would that be acceptable to Oilers nation? Would definitely help with our cap issues if it's possible.

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#39 bazmagoo
March 16 2013, 02:40PM
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Can't really see Petrell and Hartikainen getting any raise (except possibly minimum needed) to keep them around. New cap is making it pretty hard to pay 3rd and 4th line guys anything substantial.

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#40 bazmagoo
March 16 2013, 02:45PM
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Guarantee Whitney isn't around next season either, which is a kind of a shame as I like Whits. But they need the room for Klembom (sp?), so Whits is expendable.

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#41 Dog Train
March 16 2013, 03:13PM
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4.5 million is ridiculous for Smid. I love his compete but I find it hard to imagine paying a guy who offers zero offence that much money. Hopefully, we can get him down to 3.5 million at least.

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#42 dv.asteroid
March 16 2013, 03:43PM
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Play number one pick line...magic follows.

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#43 OilFan
March 16 2013, 03:56PM
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It's a good thing that in this day & age hockey is 100% about offense & 0% about keeping the puck out of your own net. Thus, they don't have to worry about re-signing a guy like Smid to help with defending their own end or consider allocating any amount of their salary cap to the cause. They should maker a rule that all roster players have to deliver above-average offense or they can't be on the team. If not, no need to sign them. Yep, makes a ton of sense.

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#44 Oiler Al
March 16 2013, 04:17PM
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Smid at $ 4.000 million per year... you guys nuts.Marc Staal resigned at $3.975 x4 years.

Valasic $4.200 at 5 years. Josh Gorges $3.900 at 6 years Trevor Daley $3.300 at 5 years. Matt Greene $2.950 Beiksa $4.6 at 5 years. Orpik $3.700 with 2 yrs remaining

Letang $3.500.. yes his next contract will be huge.

There are many more examples. Smid isnt in the same level, of these players. Smid current salary is $2.250, honestly I dont think he`s worth more than $3.5 tops, at say 4 years.

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#45 striatic
March 16 2013, 05:03PM
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Smid you need to give term to keep the price low.

3.5 x 5 would make me very happy.

i think he'll end up closer to 4 though.

4 x 3 or so.

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#46 Hair bag
March 16 2013, 10:13PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Where do you kids keep coming from....

A player doesn't have to be "frigging made expendable" for there to be a deal happen (insert fawking Gretzky trade here). Alot of deals that are made are often financial ones, let alone ones made for family reasons. In a small revenue sharing dependant market like Nashville, this deal will become a ball and chain sooner rather than later. Give it till the summer of 2014 and he'll certainly be wearing a different jersey. Edmonton, with nearly the highest ticket prices in the league, is likely soon to start robbing from the poor again rather than being the victim. There are cap teams, like the Oilers will soon be, and then there's the Nashvilles of the world whom limp through year by year in that markey/economy. Shea Weber is a luxury vehicle the Oilers can afford.

Sometimes shedding your financial responsibilties to a player is what justifies making a deal like this. The Predators have operated much closer to the salary floor than they have near the cap for a reason these last 20 yrs.

Quick, if Weber is traded in the next 18mos I'll be the first to come on here and eat crow but IMO your wishing on a star, it's not going to happen.... Weber is their anchor, they will underpay everyone else or bring in cheap young guys to play around him but they won't trade him. It would have been like Detroit trading Lidstrom. As far as the Gretzky analogy goes there is none, so much is different 25 yrs later that it is like comparing apples to oranges - do better.

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#47 Jay
March 17 2013, 12:21AM
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Umm... Are guys still wanting weber? Makes no sense. First of all the contract. I don't care who you are, in this day and age no one will ever be the best at there position for 14 years in a row! What is he 27 right now? So his contract goes til he's 41!?? and people complain about horcs contract! Secondly isn't he a right D?? We got J Schultz and Petry on that side. If I'm GM I wouldn't take weber for free simply for the fact that I don't want to touch that contract! Webers good but he's nowhere near being lidstrom, is he even a pronger???? Talk to me in 4 years and tell me you still want weber! If he's still playing he'll only have 10 years left at 7.8/year! Absolutely retarded. The only thing worst would be either Parise or suter. I'd rather get Dipietro

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#48 @Oilanderp
March 17 2013, 07:55AM
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I guess we will see how much Smid wants to be here when he's offered 3.8 x 5yr. I want him to stay, but it has to be at the right price. What a shame it would be to develop him and then lose him at the deadline for a pick.

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#49 michael
March 17 2013, 10:00AM
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Jay wrote:

Cloutier from hockey buzz put this together Cap Situation after Re-Signs 2013/2014

Forwards (14) Taylor Hall $6mil Jordan Eberle $6mil Shawn Horcoff $5.5mil Ales Hemsky $5mil Sam Gagner $4.5mil Nail Yakupov $3.775mil Ryan Nugent-Hopkins $3.775mil Ryan Smyth $2.25mil Eric Belanger $1.75mil Magnus Paajarvi $1.5mil Ryan Jones $1.5mil Teemu Hartikainen $1.2mil Lennart Petrell $1.1mil Mike Brown $736,667

Total Cap Hit - $44.59mil

Defense(7) Justin Schultz $3.775milTotal Cap Hit - $44.59mil

Defense(7) Justin Schultz $3.775mil Ladislav Smid $3.5mil Nick Schultz $3.5mil Ryan Whitney $3mil Jeff Petry $1.75mil Mark Fistric $1.6mil Oscar Klefbom $1.275mil

Total Cap Hit - $18.375mil

Goal Devan Dubnyk $3.5mil Random Backup $1mil Total Projected Team Cap Number 2013/2014: $67.465mil

Cap Ceiling will be $64.3mil, so this means the Oilers would be $3.165mil OVER the cap ceiling.

Hemsky 5 million. Belanger 1.75, Whitney at 3.0. Random goalie at 1.0.. Pronman must be under the failed assumption that Tambo is a total wank and keeps this team intact. Under the heading of wishful thinking. Whitney you really think gets 3 million.Not a chance. Gone for a 3rd round pick this deadline. Hemsky? 1st and 3rd also this deadline. Belanger? Someone? Anyone give us a 3rd or 4th and I'll be ecstatic. Nick Shultz? I would dump his contract if I could too. Give me a first for him too. Throw out Potter while were at it. 5th round pick. NK? Anything? If its me Jones is gone for a 2cd or 3rd pick. Petrell.5th round pick.

The Oilers need less of these wait until next year kinda deals. Or he'll be better kinda deals. Time to move on and add someone like Corey Perry to the fold. You want to pay a guy, pay a guy who has Cup ring and is only 27. Potter,Whitney and Nick Shultz. Move on and get some bangers who will punish the opposition.Ala Fistric. Jones? His eye injury will make him less useful rather than more. Time to move on.Belanger? Square Peg in a round hole holding up the development of Anton Lander. NK?40 year back up goalie with a history of injuries.Can't stay healthy. Never mind the whole going to jail fiasco that still lingers as a bad aftertaste. Eager and Hordichuck. Hordi is a minor league guy who I keep in OKC. I'd pay him 225,000 to be a transition guy. A veteran who could lead in OKC. Eager. Just plain buy him out and be done with him.

This team isn't good enough with its current roster of players.Were still getting pushed around at home and having our show run by the bigger teams out west like LA and San Jose and Anaheim. We need to get bigger and natier to play against. Our defence lacks any physicality other than when Peckham and Fistric are in the lineup.Smid plays hard,blocks shots and is heavy on the puck.But he lacks the nastiness that a guy like Fistric brings to his game. Whitney,Potter and N Shultz are so soft that they make cotton candy seem hard to chew. Jones? If he ever drops the gloves again I'll be shocked. I lost my left eye a kid. I only see out of right. If it comes down to a fight or running away.I run. Can't replace eyes. Jones is less effective if he can't bring that part of his game night in and night out. Just saying that this current roster is not good enough to compete every night without some changes to its base character. Were to oft to play against. We need to get uglier. Nastier.Bigger and heavier in the bottom six.It has to happen.Tambo knows it and is bidding his time. He has no choice but to wait till this team is effectively out of the playoff race to justify the changes he needs to make. till then well suffer through losses like Nashville and Detroit this week. Close some nights. Out played on others.

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#50 Oilers4ever
March 17 2013, 05:05PM
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Gotta say I disagree... there's been late powerplays trying to tie the game, get closer, what have you and they don't play him as much. Look what he did against the Kings with fractions of time to go. Yaks proved he's a gamer... sure he makes defensive mistakes.. so does RNH and Hallsy still sometimes, yet there are out there.. Ebs is pretty slick. You don't burn him very often.

All I am saying is the kid won't learn without the experience of playing in those situations. So what are they going to do next year when he does make the errors cuz hes had no experience in these issues and is half way through his ELC... Sit him in the 3rd again?

Totally disagree with this but I ain't the coach so its not my ass on the line. :)

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