Horcoff Forever?

Jonathan Willis
March 26 2013 08:52AM

It might make some Oilers fans unhappy, but it looks like the club has no intention of moving team captain Shawn Horcoff anytime soon.

30 Thoughts

Hockey Night in Canada’s Elliotte Friedman spoke to Steve Tambellini about the possibility of moving Horcoff at the trade deadline, and on Monday wrote about the answer in his (always must-read) “30 Thoughts” column:

Tambellini also nuked the possibility of a Shawn Horcoff trade. People are always looking for centres and $26 million of Horcoff's $33-million contract will be paid off after this season (he also has a no-move clause). Plus, it was not lost on the Oilers that things improved on the marathon road trip when Horcoff returned.

It makes sense that Tambellini is thinking this way, given what he said during an intermission interview on Sportsnet a few games back:

Shawn Horcoff, I think, stood up and took re-control of the dressing room and I think it was a very important part of this road trip that now he’s in the dressing room and we’re following kind of a lead of his.

The Contract

The problem with Horcoff these days is that there’s no perfect answer for the Oilers. The dollar value on his contract is too high, and ideally they’d have a cheaper option filling his spot in the lineup. However, he adds a skillset the team really can’t afford to lose. On the ice he adds size (at 6’1”, 208lbs he’s one of the Oilers’ bigger forwards), speed, defensive responsibility, and still can play a complementary role offensively. Off the ice, that Tambellini line above says exactly what the team thinks of him – despite occasional fan discontent, everything that’s ever come to light publicly from the players or organization indicates that Horcoff is respected in the room. The players’ were thrilled when Horcoff was named captain, and there’s been no indication that’s changed.

How big of a problem is Horcoff’s contract? Despite the impressive dollar figure, it’s one that should be manageable for the Oilers, for two big reasons:

He’s more tradable in the future. Money earned drops in 2013-14 and again in 2014-15. Additionally, his no-move clause becomes a limited no-trade clause in 2013-14, and goes away entirely in 2014-15. If the Oilers want to move him to a budget team at that time, it should be doable (provided his play doesn’t entirely fall off a cliff).

His contract can be seen as a place-holder. Shawn Horcoff becomes an unrestricted free agent at exactly the same time that Nail Yakupov becomes a restricted free agent; keeping Horcoff around essentially guarantees that the Oilers have enough cap space available to get Yakupov extended.

I’ve long seen Horcoff as a candidate for a compliance buyout in the summer, but that just doesn’t seem likely at this point. He’s still a useful player to the Oilers, his contract isn’t ideal but is far from crippling (the Oilers have $20 million or so in cap space to play with this summer), and if they aren’t willing to think about trading him at the deadline they certainly aren’t going to be willing to pay to make him go away.

Shawn Horcoff seems likely to be an Oiler until at least this time next year, and that’s probably the right decision.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Jordon
March 26 2013, 09:47AM
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To anyone who complains about the dollars committed to Horcoff, I have just one question: can you point to a single instance during the duration of his contract where salary cap concerns had an impact on the team's performance?

Is that why we're missing a solid, stay at home veteran first-paring defenceman? or a Lucic type gritty top 6 forward with size and skill? Or a solid back up option for Dubnyk, or whatever else you think we need to contend?

Is it because we don't have the cap space to sign them, since we shot our wad on Shawn Horcoff instead?

Didn't think so.

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#2 outdoorzguy
March 26 2013, 11:21AM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Oilers officially became sellers last night!

There's nobody capable of handling the sale!!

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#3 Duke
March 26 2013, 09:01AM
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Let me ne the fist to suggest that Horcoff has beeen a consistently good Oiler who takes a beating from fans because Kevin Lowe offered him a golden ticket contract and he signed it.

There's an obvious need to refresh some of the vets on this tean, but Horc is far from the problem.

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#4 Ambassador humantorch
March 26 2013, 09:45AM
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Shawn Horcoff, I think, stood up and took re-control of the dressing room and I think it was a very important part of this road trip that now he’s in the dressing room and we’re following kind of a lead of his.

Seriously, who keeps putting Tambellini in front of a microphone? The man's public speaking is as awkward and fumbling as an 8th grader asking the girl he has a crush on to the big dance (speaking from experience).

Someone in management needs to put a shock collar on him and give him a jolt any time he opens his mouth in public.

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#5 Racki
March 26 2013, 09:06AM
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Always been a fan of Horcoff. It's clear what he brings to the team (and, unfortunately also what he does not). He is a very useful piece for this team. People focus on the money all the time, and that's what I think is the biggest reason for some people not liking him. Well, the Oilers aren't being handcuffed by his contradct, and I'm not paying the bills... so it doesn't bother me.

His ability to be used in any game situation makes him quite valuable to the team. If he was a bargain contract (say $2.5M or so) people would love him. So again, if he isn't hindering us from signings, who cares? Yes, the Oilers blew that re-signing... it's long time for people to get over it.

That said, I do know we can improve at this position (including Horcoff, himself), but a good C is extremely hard to come by, so I don't see him going anywhere.

I wish fans would just embrace that, and support him rather than bagging on him. Fitting and funny quote by Ryan Jones on Horc recently. Unfortunately I don't have exact quote. But Jones said something like, before he (Jones) came here, he had no idea that fans were so hard on Horcoff (because he thinks he is a good player). But I think that kind of speaks to our fans here. Can be pretty embarrassing to be a fan here, and not just because the team is awful.

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#6 Reg Dunlop
March 26 2013, 09:09AM
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The 2nd round pick that Horc would return in a trade would not help us now or in the future, given our spotty draft record. Anyway, we have to keep NHL players, jettison the crap otherwise the rebuild spins it's wheels and we remain the league's worst team. Wait a minute... maybe we have no NHL players.

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#7 Benhur
March 26 2013, 09:17AM
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Horc is playing as well as I would expect him too. Obviously he is over paid for his last few years performance but he definitley is trying hard to be a difference maker...no slack ass here. BUT he is flat lining as a player and probably is on the down side of his performance peak. He would be a good fit for a SC challenger in the 3rd centre roll. If you could make a good deal for him I see no reason not too. BUT they would have to find someone in free agency to replace him and also get a solid prospect or young NHL prospect to replace him. I like Horc and always thought he has a lot of heart and determination. That's why he was selected the Captain!

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#8 The Goalie 1976
March 26 2013, 09:33AM
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I would actually keep Horcoff for the entire contract for 3 reasons.

1. Management has shown no ability or desire to find a equal replacement.

2. He brings elements to the team that are sorely lacking.

3. Because you showed loyalty in keeping him, I bet he would sign a super cheap hometown discount on a really short term extension to fill in as a 3rd or 4th line center. Think about it .... no more Smyth/Vandevelde/Petrell/not prepared rookie bleeding chances against.

That's just what I would do. Also at some point he would pull a Modano and give the "C" to one of the kids.

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#9 Mike Krushelnyski
March 26 2013, 09:36AM
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Horcoff's skill set is something we absolutely need and don't have a ready replacement for in the organization. Could a competent GM replace him with a guy making $2.5-3M? Probably. Should we let him go with Tambellini at the helm? Not a chance.

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#10 vetinari
March 26 2013, 10:22AM
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I never faulted Horcoff for taking the contract, but rather the management team that gave it to him in the first place.

If he was a $3M/year cap hit player, I don't think anyone would be complaining about him but at $5.5M/year, expectations are higher, especially in the area of offensive production.

At this point, I'm fine with seeing him in Oiler silks until the end of his current contract, and if he drops to a $2M to $3M/year player after that, then for so long as he's playing.

The real problems are riddled throughout the lineup and when I look at the roster and try to project who will be or should be here in 3 to 5 years, I only see the names of Hall, Eberle, J. Schultz, RNH, Yakupov and maybe Gagner as locks-- the rest are likely replaceable. I'm not saying that everyone should be replaced, just that none of the other players seem to possess skill sets that make you want to lock them up long term... and that's the sad part-- our core players are too young to be consistent and our support players are too flawed or one dimensional to be effective.

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#11 Butters
March 26 2013, 10:26AM
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@Outdoorzguy

I wouldn't include Laforge in your list. That guy must be a marketing genius. He is able to sell us dog **** and call it ice cream year after year. And we keep coming back for more.

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#12 Oilerz4life
March 26 2013, 10:38AM
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Horcoff is a bum. The sooner you get rid of him the better. Sure he had a couple good games there. Soon he'll go back into overpaid rich lazy hockey again like he always does. Float around the ice and back off waving your stick around like you're on the penalty kill. The oilers need a real team. Finally fed up with this crap. If we don't see some real changes this summer, like real change, like axing all these bums and bringing in some real talent then Im done and I think alot of oiler fans feel the same way right now. We're fed up. This summer is the litmus test If we dont see something drastic this summer and next year sucks as much as the last, you're going to see some pissed fans. That goes for Horcoff, Tambellini, even these spoiled little brats we call the fab five. Sick of this crap. Im so angry im ready to file for divorce from my signature, which has been oilerz4life, unwavering for years, to Canucks for now, or Jets for a while. As far as this brand of Oilers hockey. It makes me want to puke and that starts with Horcoff. Get rid of that bum and get something real to replace him and not just him but alot of this lacklustet crap on the team, but start with Horcoff.

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#13 jason
March 26 2013, 09:08AM
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which brilliant managment team gave him this contract? (i'm being sarcastic). it's like giving the captain of the titanic another ship after he's sent your flag ship to the bottom. how many times has tambo (bozo) sunk our ship? at this point i trust a monkey's judgment over tambo or lowe. it's time to kick the drunken sailors off the ship before they sink us again!

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#14 outdoorzguy
March 26 2013, 09:14AM
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I think we can all live with Horcoff now. What we can't live with is the incompetent leadership fiasco we have, starting with Laforge right down the line and ending with Krueger. Timid Tambellini, Loser Lowe, Moronic McTavish and even Howson are just a joke. Anyone attending the games (I haven't been in years, won't give them a dime!!) should start the chant for Burke (not sure he's the best choice, but the message will get across hopefully, then again with these idiots they'd probably think the fans are chanting for Brooke Burke!) and Ruff. Until some displeasure is shown publicly towards this management group/ownership, nothing will change. Booing the team is a start, but they can only play within the means of what management provides them. I think there is very good potential here with the core group. A few changes will go a long way. But my God, lets move this top heavy, malignant management team out the door. Our patience should be over and it's time for results, especially after a dozen years of this crap.

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#15 Nucky
March 26 2013, 09:21AM
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You are apparently assuming the nimrods who signed Horcoff are going to be here in the future to continue the insanity.

Gulp...

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#16 Vincent
March 26 2013, 09:34AM
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What is stopping the oilers from trading horcoff to another team with a player who that respective team also wants to buy out but retain, then re-signing them afterwards. Assuming the Pens want to keep Martin, Horcoff for Martin, then re-signing Horcoff?

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#17 Phixieus666
March 26 2013, 09:39AM
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Any one else hear the Cloutier on the Buzz was saying that last nights game likely scared off DeKeyser. It made me laugh, really the team showed how incompetent they are on defense. That kid was probably sitting there thinking "man I could easily play better than three out of their top 6, I'll be on the NHL roster for sure with this team".

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#18 Rick
March 26 2013, 09:40AM
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There is room on this team going forward for Horcoff, atleast for the next couple years.

The problem, like with alot of other players on this team, is that he is continually looked at for the wrong role.

Build a balance bloody team and Horcoff would would be seen as a decent piece to the puzzle.

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#19 Rob
March 26 2013, 09:51AM
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I can hardly wdit for the end 'o season happy talk from Oiler coaching and management. I love it when Tammy gets all butch and stern and makes all kind of promises for next year. Brrr...gives me the chills.

I fully expect to hear the Oiler 'brain-bust' blame everything and everyone going back as far as the Comet Kahoutek(1973 AD) for the Oiler's bad luck.

Having read the comments above I was wondering if someone would pass me the Kool-Aid. I still want to know if Horcoff can actually play that piano tied to his ass.

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#20 Wippit
March 26 2013, 10:01AM
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Well Oilphanz it has finally happened. The Oiler team looks so bad Horcoff is now an All-Star. Best thing since toilet paper came on rolls. Somebody better throw this city a life ring because if that is a generally held view of this team you are about to go down for the 3rd and final time. Glug...Glug

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#21 flynn
March 26 2013, 10:05AM
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@Jordon

Agreed. There are numerous other reasons why guys don't come here.

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#22 Sal-Sational
March 26 2013, 10:08AM
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@outdoorzguy

i was thinking the same with Burke and Ruff...

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#23 Hammers
March 26 2013, 10:11AM
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Totally agree . Buyouts will be Eager as nobody wants him and Belanger (total disaster by Tambellini).Pettrell & Hordichuck won't be resigned . Jones traded.This means a new 4th line with Lander , Hartski + ? unknown . "D" is still the problem .

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#24 Supernova
March 26 2013, 10:15AM
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Jonathan,

Oilers could have even more cap space if they bought out / traded Smyth and Belanger. Both of these players are very replaceable. (almost everyday a comparable cheaper option comes on the waiver wire)

Even though Horcoff is overpaid, I have never understood why there is so much venom spewed his way. The oilers are nowhere close to the Cap, we really aren't a factor in big time free agents, and he is a excellent leader /player as a 2/3 center. If he is your 2C your not a good team, as we have seen.

I always think the oilers should have at least 6 centers on their forwards. Forcing the Centers to learn to play the wings is far better than forcing a wing to play center. The oilers have been playing with 3 centers for far too long this year.

Their Petrell / Jones players realistically should be a center playing on the wing.

Ridiculous roster mismanagement by the team, forcing Kreuger to go to a gun fight with knifes game after game.

Having 4 seventh Defenceman (Whitney, Potter, Fistric, and Peckham) doesn't help as well.

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#25 Butters
March 26 2013, 10:18AM
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I think it is time for us to all be at peace with the Horcoff contract. Also, the Oilers aren't the only NHL team to offer a massive overpay like this. It happens all the time, we have to let it go.

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#26 geoilersgist
March 26 2013, 10:32AM
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Looks like Jon Cooper is now officially off the market. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=662106&navid=nhl:topheads

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#27 Jay
March 26 2013, 10:34AM
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I'm sick of this team. I've seriously had enough! Look at the flames, they're 1 point behind us and they're calling to blow up the team! They've hit rock bottom and they're only 1 point behind us. Are we suppose to be happy with our "progress"? How this management team still had a job blows my mind

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#28 2004Z06
March 26 2013, 10:51AM
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Oilers officially became sellers last night!

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#29 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
March 26 2013, 11:05AM
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Wow, this is surreal. Tambellini feels so strong while backing this contract. What a debacle, it's no wonder we're wandering aimlessly in the desert still. I'm sure not many teams feel as strongly about a 3rd line center who doesn't fight or ever lean into anyone, rarely contributes offensively, yet he's considered a leader. 10 yrs a pro now and how many times has he been named even a league AllStar? I think this number must be zippo.

He took a puck in the collarbone for the team nearly ten yrs ago......big deal. If there was ever a suitable target to pin the tail on what has put us in this mess, it certainly wears #10 in the Oilers lineup.

What a role model for all these kids to look up to. Shawn Horcoff has done it all.

On the other hand, we must offer a tip of the hat to Horcoff as well. He's singlehandily made/exposed Edmontons management group as they continue to defend this contract, this leagues laughing stock. For that Shawn, we thank you.

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#30 Oiler Al
March 26 2013, 11:10AM
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Never had a problem with Horcoffs, salary, heck, people win lotteries and we dont knock them for it , same thing.

My point, however, is that Horcoff is not No. 1 ctr, in the NHL,!!! At best he is a third line player.... and picking up some important faces offs, as a rover. For a guy at his size and weight ,plays a very soft game. role should be third line checker with roving face off duties. He's not even a great skater.

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#31 Jay
March 26 2013, 11:15AM
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I think a sh**storms brewing. We've been patient, and if this team doesn't start rewarding us with our patience starting next year, jock sniffer Dan tencer's gonna have alot more than just booing to complain about.

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#32 outdoorzguy
March 26 2013, 11:59AM
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So really, what do we have to trade off? Khabibulin? We'll get noting for him. But goodbye anyways. Gagner? He's actually played pretty well and does bring a lot of heart and soul to the team, much more than othere who should be stepping up. Moving him would be a mistake I think. Horcoff? Again, what do we get? One of the kids? possibly get something here, but you'll really only be looking at other teams cast offs. In reality, the management morons have put us in a position where we don't have any strength to deal from. Are we still paying Pat Quinn as a consultant?

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#33 Newj
March 26 2013, 12:17PM
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IMO this whole situation is quite different compared to other team's situations....

The Oilers have an asset that is in relatively low demand and who is also their captain. Yet to this team he provides quite good leadership qualities but other teams aren't likely to absorb his current contract for his leadership attributes.

Stars sent their captain packing for a 1st round prospect & B Morrow waived his NTC. The Pens saw value in B Morrow & gave up good value in return. Flames are likely to trade their "C" for the right deal & he too will waive his NTC. Another team will see value in Iginla & likely offer good compensation.

I am not sure the same can be said of what the Oilers would get for Horcoff from other teams. Oilers aren't likely get a 1st rnd pick or a proven top 6 forward for him so I guess they keep him & get value from his leadership.

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#34 Jasmine
March 26 2013, 12:28PM
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@Phixieus666

Cloutier is an idiot. He always bashes the Oilers and blocks you if you don't agree with him.

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#35 Oil4Life
March 26 2013, 12:33PM
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Horc is great for the team he fills a extremely valuable roll. and his cost is going down with every year. i would be sad if the traded him. he's an oiler through and through. hope he retires here.

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#36 Neal
March 26 2013, 12:38PM
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@Racki

Racki nailed it. The problem with Oiler fans has always been the contract. Blame Lowe, not the player.

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#37 george666
March 26 2013, 12:41PM
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lets start calling our beloved gm draftilini. has a nice ring to it.

the more things change...the more things stay the same...sighhhhhhhhh

someone has to say it --

"and for the first overall pick in the 2014 draft, the edmonton oilers choose ____________???

so sick of this :(((((((((((((((

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#38 Bucknuck
March 26 2013, 01:10PM
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Horcoff is a great third line centre. He used to be a 1st line centre, then he got hurt and he's never been the same. Unfortunately he got a 1st line centre contract. You can't blame him for that. It will be over soon.

Now that the Oilers are sellers thanks to the last three games, I think the Oilers will start moving assets again. If Ryan Whitney or Ladislave Smid aren't extended, then I would expect them to be gone by the deadline.

Can someone please trade Tambellini!? That is the definition of addition by subtraction.

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#39 jason
March 26 2013, 01:13PM
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2004Z06 wrote:

Oilers officially became sellers last night!

it's to bad we don't have a competent managment team. we try to build a hockey team from smurfs, hobbits and bums. maybe if we package enough of these little people together we can trade them for regular sized ones who can play in the nhl. wasn't that what was supposed to happen? we draft the the best player available (usually a really small talented winger) and when we have enough of them we trade them for talented defencemen and centermen? wasn't that the plan? for the love of christ tambo we have enough the same piece turn them into things we need already!

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#40 Pucker
March 26 2013, 01:23PM
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Jordon wrote:

To anyone who complains about the dollars committed to Horcoff, I have just one question: can you point to a single instance during the duration of his contract where salary cap concerns had an impact on the team's performance?

Is that why we're missing a solid, stay at home veteran first-paring defenceman? or a Lucic type gritty top 6 forward with size and skill? Or a solid back up option for Dubnyk, or whatever else you think we need to contend?

Is it because we don't have the cap space to sign them, since we shot our wad on Shawn Horcoff instead?

Didn't think so.

I bet we could of gotten Heatley.

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#41 Bucknuck
March 26 2013, 01:52PM
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@Pucker

Actually when they were chasing Hossa, they ignored Glancross. He would look pretty good on the wing now, wouldn't he? Was he ignored because of cap dollars? ~If so, everything that is wrong with this team should be pinned on Horcoff~

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#42 Milli
March 26 2013, 04:45PM
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I like horc, I like what he brings and I don't pay him. But when in BLEEEEEEP is Tambi gonna get axed? How can he run the trade deadline when he is a deadman? Come on oilers, be better that this.

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#43 Dog Train
March 26 2013, 04:54PM
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We don't have any internal candidates to replace him. His minutes are tough too. RNH will be awesome but he isn't ready to take on the toughest opponents yet. Gagner has had an awesome season but I think he is best when facing the secondary competition and feasting offensively. We are definitely better off with Horcoff next year. I see C as probably our shallowest position organizationally.

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#44 The Other Ron Burgundy
March 26 2013, 04:56PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Wow, this is surreal. Tambellini feels so strong while backing this contract. What a debacle, it's no wonder we're wandering aimlessly in the desert still. I'm sure not many teams feel as strongly about a 3rd line center who doesn't fight or ever lean into anyone, rarely contributes offensively, yet he's considered a leader. 10 yrs a pro now and how many times has he been named even a league AllStar? I think this number must be zippo.

He took a puck in the collarbone for the team nearly ten yrs ago......big deal. If there was ever a suitable target to pin the tail on what has put us in this mess, it certainly wears #10 in the Oilers lineup.

What a role model for all these kids to look up to. Shawn Horcoff has done it all.

On the other hand, we must offer a tip of the hat to Horcoff as well. He's singlehandily made/exposed Edmontons management group as they continue to defend this contract, this leagues laughing stock. For that Shawn, we thank you.

Horc was an All Star in 2008. He also scored 19 points in the 2006 Stanley Cup Playoffs and would have a ring but for the hated MAB. So in other words he's closer to having done it all than any other Oiler not named Ryan Smyth. He's also put up with more fan BS than almost any other player in the league, has battled through injury and done whatever his coaches have asked of him, all without complaining despite being on one of the worst teams in the league over the last lets call it a decade.

On the negative side of the ledger you have the fact that he gets paid too much and (likely as a direct result of the former) gets too much time in offensive situations, where as always he does his best but unfortunately for all of us his best in those scenarios is nowhere near good enough. I literally cannot count the number of plays that have died on his stick. Not his fault though - he shouldn't be out there.

That is where you are right - that he's an indictment of management. One for the ridiculous contract (which looks terrible in hindsight, but maybe not so much had he been able to sustain the near point-per-game pace he was on when he signed), two for the lack of recognition of that mistake, and three for the lack of steps taken to rectify that mistake and bring in the talent necessary so that Shawn Horcoff is not on your first freaking power play unit. Oh, and four for every goddam coach in the last 5 years for throwing him out on the ice in those situations (unless that is being directed from above...).

None of the above however takes away from the fact that Shawn Horcoff is an Edmonton Oiler. Role model? Absolutely.

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#45 Fresh Mess
March 26 2013, 05:06PM
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A few things:

One - Let's drop this "it's not Horc's fault Lowe handed him a massive contract" line. A player's agent asks for a sum and the GM usually counters. I highly doubt Lowe's opening offer was 5.5 per season. For all we know Horcoff could have initially asked for 7 million per.

It's Lowe's fault for being fiscally reckless, but Horcoff's side played a role by demanding big bucks.

Two- Horcoff will be 36 after this contract expires. I don't understand why several commenters here think it would be such a major score if the Oilers could extend him beyond this contract for 1 or 2 million per season.

Three- I believe Horcoff has a small window in his contract this summer in which his no-movement clause is briefly lifted. This would allow The Oilers to expose him to waivers.

I could see a cap floor team being interested in Horcoff, as he is due to be paid $4 000,000 next year and then 3.5 million the year after that. His cap hit will remain at 5.5 million.

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#46 DonDon
March 26 2013, 05:44PM
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I laughed when I read: "wandering aimlessly in the desert still" in reference to the Oilers' hockey operations management. I believe the quote was originally attributed to Jay Feaster. And Feaster is still correct in his analysis of the Oilers' top ops people.

What will it take to flush Lowe, Tambellini and others that have contributed to this long-time mess? For any other NHL organization, 30th, 30th and 29th place finishes over the last three seasons and six years out of the playoffs would earn dismissal. Why not here? Can we get someone with hockey intelligence to buyout the owner?

As for Captain Horcoff, I really don't have a problem with his contract, even if it is a huge overpay. Others have remarked that Horcoff isn't the only one with an undeserved contract. NHL GMs continue to stupidly overpay. Case in point Semin this week. I have a problem with Horcoff's on-ice performance, he really is a floater, a non-performer that takes up ice time. And he wastes a position as a centre, where the Oilers are really deficient and ties one of the 50 contracts. The club would be better off with Lander.

Which Oilers team will show up tonight in St. Louis?

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#47 Maggie the Monkey
March 26 2013, 06:16PM
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Horcoff is my "star" and is still my favourite player on the team. He has been since Pisani left.

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#48 Rama Lama
March 26 2013, 07:03PM
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Except for playmaking, shooting, passing, scoring, physical play, toughness, and hockey vision, Horcoff is a good player.

Look people he can skate really fast and win the odd faceoff.......a star on the Oilers!

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#49 Serious Gord
March 26 2013, 10:59PM
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The quicker we strip horcoff of the captaincy and give it to hall the better.

Look at Toews, and morrow and iggy when he was younger. They hated to lose. They held everyone else to account partly by their intense play. Hall has the same characteristics.

Horcoff floats. Horcoff is used to losing (as is iggy). And hes now on the third line The team will go nowhere as long as he's the captain.

Buy him down to make him tradable and get him and the dark days that he symbolizes behind us.

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