TRADE WINDS....

Jason Gregor
March 27 2013 12:45PM

The 2013 NHL trade deadline is next Wednesday at 1 p.m. MST, and the next week will be great for those who love trade rumours. One rumour got squashed yesterday when it was reported that Mikka Kiprusoff would not report to his new team if the Calgary Flames traded him, which of course was met by laughter amongst Edmonton fans.

Thankfully there are many other rumblings, rumours and potential deals floating around.

What will the Oilers do?

Nikolai Khabibulin made Doug Maclean's suggestion that he could fetch a 2nd rounder seem realistic after his 43-save performance last night.

The tougher question is are the Oilers better off having Khabibulin as a $1.2 million back up next year, or moving him for a draft pick?

So let's look at some of the options the Oilers have to trade. These thoughts are a combination of my views as well as what I've heard and read as far as pros and cons for each player from pundits and fans. I don't agree or disagree with all of them, but respect the differing views.

KHABIBULIN

  • Would he want to play for $1.2 million?
  • He turns 41next January, and age catches up with most players.
  • Unreliable due to injuries.
  • His history of injuries is the main concern. The interesting thing about Khabibulin is that he works incredibly hard to stay in shape. He's in really good shape, but you wonder if his body is breaking down. Maybe he pushes too hard, because he seems to tweak something every few weeks.
  • When he plays he's played very well. In six starts he has a sparkling 1.93 GAA and a .941SV%. Those numbers are unattainable over a long period, but we've seen that when he plays he can still win games.
  • He works well with Dubnyk. They have a healthy and respectful relationship.
  • I don't see the Oilers being able to overhaul the blueline in one summer. It would require three solid moves, and while it is possible, I'm not sure it is realistic. If the Oilers don't land highly touted college prospect Danny Dekeyser (who is good, but far from a saviour or lock to be a top-four), and another D-man via a trade of UFA signing (weak pool) then their D won't be much better next year and they will need a reliable back up.

RYAN WHITNEY

  • The free agent list isn't very good, especially for D-men under the age of 30.
  • Justin Schultz would be the only excellent puck mover remaining. The Oilers need D-men who can move the puck quickly and accurately to their skilled forwards.
  • The Oilers recent history of signing UFAs to come into Edmonton isn't great. There is no guarantee they will find a better replacement. There is also a good chance Whitney performs well in another environment. Being comfortable and feeling confident is a huge factor in how a player performs on the ice.
  • The advanced stats show he's struggled.
  • He will never be able to turn due to his surgeries.
  • It is clear the coaching staff doesn't have a lot of confidence in him. When that happens, usually it is hard to change it. If a player is worried about making a mistake and getting benched, usually they make more mistakes.

RYAN JONES

  • For a team that struggles to score ES, at least he can score 5-on-5.
  • He goes to the net regularly and scores garbage goals. Oilers don't have a lot of guys like that.
  • Jones is a complimentary player. He won't be a key cog in winning, but he's shown the ability to produce. While surrendering scoring chances doesn't look good on paper, scoring goals trumps that.
  • He is on the ice for way too many scoring chances against.
  • Teemu Hartikainen is bigger and can replace him.
  • He isn't physical enough on a team that desperately needs some guys who are harder to play against. He's a solid NHLer, but if needed they can find a veteran UFA to replace him.

I suspect those three would make garner the most interest, amongst players the Oilers would consider trading.

There are some other names that have been tossed around for the Oilers...

Ladislav Smid

  • I think the Oilers would be foolish to deal him. I outlined the available free agent D-men yesterday, and no one on that list looks like a potential upgrade to Smid. Smid knows his role and he's good at it. He plays hard and is the most physical D-man who plays every night. I still believe the Oilers and Smid will come to an agreement prior to April 3rd. If they don't we can chat about then after the 3rd.

Ales Hemsky

  • If you trade him at the deadline you are likely only getting picks and prospects in return. At this point in the rebuild the Oilers need to move him in a deal where you get a proven NHL player back in return rather than picks. He's played much better now that his shoulder issues are behind him and I suspect there would be more interest in the summer.

Sam Gagner

  • Gagner has been the lightning rod for years in Edmonton. He's had a great start to the season and will get a raise on his current $3.2 million contract this summer. His trade value is much higher now than it was last year, so the return would be better. Gagner is very popular in the dressing room, he has worked hard at improving his game and no one questions his desire. I don't see any reason to move him at the deadline, and if he they consider moving him in the summer they have to get a solid D-man of big, skilled forward in return. I don't trade Gagner for anything less than a proven player.

LOOKING AHEAD

No one knows what the future holds, but at some point the results have to match the "potential"and "patience" that has been talked about for years in Edmonton.

For me there is one obvious conclusion coming for the Edmonton Oilers. They won't be able to move forward with all six of their young 19-23 year-old forwards. They don't have the right combination of size, skill and sandpaper needed to succeed in the NHL. That doesn't mean they all won't be successful NHL players, it just means I don't see all of them developing with the Oilers.

Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle will make $6 million next year. Gagner is in line for a raise that will put him close to $5 million next year and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins likely gets a contract similar to Hall and Eberle starting in 2014.

The Oilers still haven't found a recipe to win, and when they do they won't be able to afford all of their young stars, even if you believe they can win with six skilled forwards.

The Oilers need to get some size down the middle, improve their blueline and get some productive veterans into their lineup. The issue is many think they can do this without trading any of their young skilled players. Reality check, that isn't going to be possible.

The way I see it the Oilers will end up moving two, maybe three players amongst Hemsky, Gagner, Magnus Paajarvi and Nail Yakupov. You might not like that reality, but I don't see any other way this team will be able to improve and afford their lineup if they don't make those types of moves.

There is a good chance that the Oilers trade those guys and they put up decent numbers on another team, and likely more than the players coming to Edmonton, but that doesn't mean the Oilers will lose those trades. If they acquire a strong, steady defenceman for one of them that makes them more competitive.

If they acquire a skilled forward who plays physical, scores, is a good puck retriever and goes to the net that will make them better. The Oilers will still have three very good skilled players remaining, in Hall, RNH and Eberle and one or two of 64, 89, 91 and 83.

You can't expect the Oilers to have six forwards score 55+ points regularly. It just doesn't happen in today's game. You need a good mix in your lineup. You need some some skilled players with size and grit. Suggesting you don't doesn't jive with teams that win championships.

Here are the top scorers, with at least 34 points, of the last four Cup winners: 

LOS ANGELES          
Player  Pos  GP  G  A  P
Anze Kopitar C 82 25 51 76
Justin Williams R 82 22 37 59
Dustin Brown R 82 22 32 54
Mike Richards C 74 18 26 44
Drew Doughty D 77 10 26 36
Jeff Carter L 55 21 13 34
           
BOSTON          
Player  Pos GP  G  A  P
Milan Lucic L 79 30 32 62
David Krejci C 75 13 49 62
Patrice Bergeron C 80 22 35 57
Nathan Horton R 80 26 27 53
Mark Recchi R 81 14 34 48
Tomas Kaberle D 82 4 43 47
Zdeno Chara D 81 14 30 44
Brad Marchand L 77 21 20 41
Rich Peverley C 82 18 23 41
Michael Ryder R 79 18 23 41
           
CHICAGO Pos GP  G  A  P
Patrick Kane R 82 30 58 88
Duncan Keith D 82 14 55 69
Jonathan Toews C 76 25 43 68
Patrick Sharp L 82 25 41 66
Marian Hossa R 57 24 27 51
Kris Versteeg R 79 20 24 44
Troy Brouwer R 78 22 18 40
Andrew Ladd L 82 17 21 38
Brian Campbell D 68 7 31 38
           
PITTSBURGH          
Evgeni Malkin C 82 35 78 113
Sidney Crosby C 77 33 70 103
Chris Kunitz L 82 23 30 53
Jordan Staal C 82 22 27 49
Bill Guerin R 78 21 27 48
Petr Sykora R 76 25 21 46
Ruslan Fedotenko L 65 16 23 39
Miroslav Satan R 65 17 19 36
Tyler Kennedy C 67 15 20 35

Do you honestly believe the Oilers top-six resembles any of those teams?

The reality is the Oilers will need to move some of their skilled forwards.

The difficult question will be when and who?

THINKING OUTLOUD...

Yesterday on my radio show, I asked Jason Strudwick if he'd deal Nail Yakupov for David Clarkson. Of course the deal would hinge on Clarkson having a new contract and the Oilers getting something else in return. It wasn't a one-for-one deal.

The point of the question was to point out  that the Oilers will need to trade away a skilled player; one who likely will produce points elsewhere. (Yakupov was just an example. Not saying he is the 1st one I'd trade) And by trading one or two of them away, that doesn't mean they are bad players. It just means the Oilers need to alter their lineup to become more successful.

The difficult decision for the Oilers GM, whoever that is when the time comes to trade one of them, is making the right move. The move won't be made solely on statistics. They will have to look at other things: contracts, attitude, competitive nature, size, etc.

It won't be easy, but it you believe it won't happen I think you are fooling yourself.

The reactions to the Clarkson topic ranged from "You're an idiot," to "Yakupov could be like Stamkos."

Both made me chuckle, but the latter really stuck with me. Stamkos is the best goal scorer in the game, so of course it is realistic to compare Yakupov to him because they were both #1 picks and because Yakupov has a good one-timer. I hope for Yakupov's sake he becomes like Stamkos, but Stamkos has more to his game than a great one-timer. Stamkos has incredibly high hockey sense, and he's excellent at anticipating where the openings are in the offensive zone to get himself in good scoring areas.

Yakupov might become a very good scorer, but suggesting he'll be like Stamkos is the ultimate best-case scenario. It is unlikely, however. Just like it is unlikely that the first overall picks taken between Stamkos and Yakupov, John Tavares, Hall and RNH, will score as often as Stamkos.

Many people want the Oilers to acquire good players, but they aren't willing to give up anything of substance. Instead they want to offer up spare parts, usually players you feel are junk, to get players like Clarkson, Lucic, Clowe or others.  

If the Oilers are going to improve moving forward they will eventually need to change the mix amongst their top forwards. It will be a difficult decision, and the organization has to ensure they have the right guy calling the shots. Based on recent decisions, it is fair to question whether the current regime is prepared and able to make the right choice.

This type of trade will occur in the near future, and when it does, the Oilers must make the correct decision and they need the right man calling the shots.

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#51 DigDeepNBleedBlue
March 27 2013, 01:47PM
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I think Yakupov has the greatest opportunity, given his current talents and room to grow, to end up like Stamkos than any other 1st round draft pick since Stamkos was drafted. You can't deny that there is a chance that doesn't happen, but the fact this is the greatest chance for it to happen means you have to take it. Folding now would be a waste. JMO.

As for the other options:

Khabi, Hemsky, Jones, Belanger and Whitney should be traded for prospects and or picks if it can be done.

Those assets can be packaged with other assets in an attempt to acquire what is needed. 2nd line Center and top two D-man. Not easy to do. I get it.

Smid and Gagner should be re-signed, but if the numbers don't work then they too should be traded for prospects and picks.

Could either of these guys get a good young budding prospect? They may in some sort of package.

I'm curious to see what happens in the next few days, but I think at the draft is where you can really work some players/picks/prospects for needed commodities. I expect major changes at that time.

Message to management: Don't (explicit) this up!

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#52 Thinker
March 27 2013, 01:48PM
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How bout we clear the crap off the roster, then see how incapable our big six really are. These are still kids, in a few years they will have their aha moment ala gagner. I truly believe that we can hold on to the core, as is and be successful. Sure we could use some more size, but I wouldn't trade my ace high for a pair of deuces before the flop. There are a very limited number of players who are big, physical, and able to score. Most big skilled forwards are joe thorton, dustin penner types who are about using their size to create space rather than murder faces. I would much rather bring back penner (or someone of his ilk) as a ufa, than make a dumbass trade. The other type of big player is a meathead like eager. This is why kesler, lucic, ect are so highly touted.

I'm starting to realize a little bit about edmonton fans. Number one, the media really manipulates what we think. Then we flip flop on issues all the time. Gilbert doesn't hit enough. We need a puck mover, we have too many N.Schultzes. Penner is too fat,slow, ect. We need a big forward who scores goals. Khabibulin is the worst goalie ever. We should extend him. Can we not just realize what we have, and add to it, rather than try to make someone something they're not, and running them out of town?

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#53 bored
March 27 2013, 01:53PM
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I agree that the Oilers will have no choice but to trade one of the young guns. No question. With there current make up, the existing ceiling is the Washington Capitals of 4 years ago, and that's best case scenario. This was a good team that was consistently in the playoffs, but it is not a team that can win a cup.

There is nothing wrong with trading a loonie for 4 quarters, that's a legit trade (would be nice if we had 50 cent pieces). Everyone assumes that you can only get pennies on the dollar when you trade a young star, but it can happen. Quebec Nordiques trade 1st overall draft pick, Mats Sundin, to Toronto Maple Leafs and win a cup 3 years later...that's the example we need to follow.

Perhaps trading Yak for Clarkson is not the right deal, however, the intention of Gregor is spot on. We currently have an abundance in one area (talented forwards) and we are lacking in other areas (defence, grit and a full roster of NHL players), our best option (in a salary cap world) is balance out our roster by trading what we have in abundance for what we need. That is how championship teams are built. You need to have GM that is capable of looking at the entire landscape of the team and fill the holes appropriately and make tough decisions when required.

We have taken a BPA strategy at the draft every year, at some point you need to leverage that strength for need. You draft Yakupov first overall even if he is not filling a need in order to leverage him fully into what is needed to make a championship team. That's the goal, becoming the next Washington Capitals is not the goal.

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#54 Ryan
March 27 2013, 01:54PM
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So for years we bitch about not being able to sign skilled franchise players that are ufa's . Then we get some good skilled players and want to trade them for utility players and plugs ? Makes sense..... I read hockey buzz for a good laugh but this should be an Eklund article

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#55 The Oilers Shot Clock
March 27 2013, 01:55PM
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Yes, trade yak for a solid young defenseman with a value contract. Carlson would be perfect. Been preaching that one for awhile.

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#56 Sanaa Montana
March 27 2013, 01:55PM
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@Jason Gregor

How old do you think you average reader is? 10? 11?

First and foremost, you're trade proposal is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is the fact that you just won't admit that is is a stupid idea to begin with.

If I was to consider your reasoning as truth, I would conclude that you never had a point to begin with. I can understand how some people would miss the point, and have you accuse them of that: it is very easy to do when no point exist in the first place.

You say that Oilers will need to get one of their young guns, I agree. Then, you don't include Gagner in your list(obvious choice) and go on to call him a lightning rod. Laughable.

If you were trying to make the point and come up with a scenario; why did you only come up with that asinine one? Why only consider Yakupov? Why not something more reasonable, like Gagner? Or for someone who might actually be available instead of Clarkson?

Jones good at 5v5. Again, laughable. He has one goal all in 14 games. Whattathreat.!.. The only thing softer than Jones on the ice during the game is Smyth's shots. Jones was a flash in the pan, at best.

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#57 Racki
March 27 2013, 01:55PM
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@Bored

Good post. That Nords example is very solid. EDIT: I just realized that you mentioned the SUNDIN deal (As someone mentioned below, that was weak).. I thought you were talking about the LINDROS deal... albeit they were forced to make it, that was a good trade in which they gave up the #1 overall "next Gretzky".

@Idries Shah

One season doesn't make or break a player. He's coming off a serious eye injury. In the previous 2 years here he's had nearly 20 goals each season and mostly from our 3rd line. I think he should be signed on a 1-year deal here. Gives him the chance to prove he's still the near 20-goal from the 3rd line guy. Jones might look not so good right now, but if you trade him, you're guaranteed that there is a hole that needs to be filled. If you keep him another year, he could prove he can still be good in his role.

Short term memory in Oilersland is pretty common though.

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#58 Lochenzo
March 27 2013, 01:55PM
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Scour the leagues for big men with good pedigree that can be had for a decent price.

I'm going to throw this out there again. The Rangers would be crazy to move Chris Kreider even if he's had a tough year, but then again, they are supposed to be a Stanley Cup contender and right now they're struggling just to make the playoffs. That's a scenario that can be leveraged.

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#59 Bucknuck
March 27 2013, 01:56PM
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The oilers lack that one awesome player in the top six. The rock that steadily gets them where they need to go.

Toews in Chicago, Brown in LA, Lucic for Boston. The Oilers do need that player. I disagree that Clarkson is that player, but I get the idea.

You have to give up something spectacular to get a player like those three.

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#60 oilabroad
March 27 2013, 01:57PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

You talk of trading one or two of Yakupov, Hemsky, Gagner, or Paajarvi.

Why isn't Eberle on your list?

He is small, skilled, doesn't have a lot of grit -- everything you want to get rid of. And his contract is a big one.

He is established, therefore should be able to get back a better return than the others you have mentioned.

Is it because he is western Canadian? Or because he scored clutch goals in the World Juniors? I don't understand -- Yakupov projects to be the superior player. And to my eye, he appears to bring a more consistent effort than Eberle or Hemsky.

this... I think Eberle gets you more in return and you are giving up the lesser player. If there is any duplication in the top 6, its with players like eberle not yak. Yak is unique in that he is a one shot scorer. I think gagner is more than enough to get you Clarkson, take advantage of his current value as it may not stick...

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#61 Bucknuck
March 27 2013, 01:59PM
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I remember in '06 when the San Jose Sharks were eating the Oilers alive in the series. up 2 games to nothing and getting pushed all over the ice. Then a remarkable thing happened.

Torres blew the wheels off of Michalek with a huge hit. You could almost feel the team take a deep breath and inflate. They started playing with some confidence and aggression. And they made it a LONG way.

This team needs that. Not Torres - his time is past, but someone who can put another team on their heels.

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#62 Racki
March 27 2013, 02:01PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

I remember in '06 when the San Jose Sharks were eating the Oilers alive in the series. up 2 games to nothing and getting pushed all over the ice. Then a remarkable thing happened.

Torres blew the wheels off of Michalek with a huge hit. You could almost feel the team take a deep breath and inflate. They started playing with some confidence and aggression. And they made it a LONG way.

This team needs that. Not Torres - his time is past, but someone who can put another team on their heels.

I'm Racki, and I approve this message.

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#63 Muji
March 27 2013, 02:01PM
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Comparing rosters is mostly pointless imo. There's no single recipe to success.

It's interesting that you only went back 4 years. Go back the 5th year and you'll see that a skilled, non-truculent Detroit Red Wings team won the cup.

But hey, we don't have Nik Lidstrom. Nor do we have Crosby/Malkin.

We have some really good pieces here (Hall/Ebs/Nail/Nuge/JSchultz/MPS). I'm not saying that we shouldn't move any of them. We should if the deal is out there. But we shouldn't move them just because Boston's recipe for success has a "big mean powerforward" ingredient.

In the end, does it even matter? Tambellini makes the decisions. Not us. And, last time I checked, he's pretty bad at making decisions.

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#64 Dawn
March 27 2013, 02:01PM
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The only things we have in excess are wingers and D prospects. I think most of us (with the exception of Gregor of course) can agree that Yak, Ebs, & Hall are untouchable right now. Klefbom also sounds like the real deal. Of the rest, a deal involving an NHL winger, a D prospect, and/or a pick for an NHL centre or D man could improve the team now and free up a contract for free agency later.

Most of us also agree that this team is not 1 or 2 pieces away from the playoffs this year. Nor are we in the collecting picks part of the rebuild. For that reason, we should not be buyers or sellers this week. If an opportunity presents itself to make another step toward a contending team, good. Otherwise, patience please.

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#65 John Chambers
March 27 2013, 02:04PM
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@bored

Trading one of the Fab-4 up front for a sandpaper forward + talented defenseman is the book move.

Eberle for Carlson & Brouwer, or Yak for Marc Staal and Stepan would be nirvana.

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#66 The Oilers Shot Clock
March 27 2013, 02:11PM
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@Sanaa Montana

Gagner is near untouchable right now. There's nobody to replace him. Yakupov is a logical option.

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#67 speeds
March 27 2013, 02:12PM
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@Racki

EDM has Hartikainen in the AHL, perhaps they don't retain Jones and Petrell and replace them with Hartikainen and a UFA?

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#68 Klima's Mullet
March 27 2013, 02:15PM
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bored wrote:

I agree that the Oilers will have no choice but to trade one of the young guns. No question. With there current make up, the existing ceiling is the Washington Capitals of 4 years ago, and that's best case scenario. This was a good team that was consistently in the playoffs, but it is not a team that can win a cup.

There is nothing wrong with trading a loonie for 4 quarters, that's a legit trade (would be nice if we had 50 cent pieces). Everyone assumes that you can only get pennies on the dollar when you trade a young star, but it can happen. Quebec Nordiques trade 1st overall draft pick, Mats Sundin, to Toronto Maple Leafs and win a cup 3 years later...that's the example we need to follow.

Perhaps trading Yak for Clarkson is not the right deal, however, the intention of Gregor is spot on. We currently have an abundance in one area (talented forwards) and we are lacking in other areas (defence, grit and a full roster of NHL players), our best option (in a salary cap world) is balance out our roster by trading what we have in abundance for what we need. That is how championship teams are built. You need to have GM that is capable of looking at the entire landscape of the team and fill the holes appropriately and make tough decisions when required.

We have taken a BPA strategy at the draft every year, at some point you need to leverage that strength for need. You draft Yakupov first overall even if he is not filling a need in order to leverage him fully into what is needed to make a championship team. That's the goal, becoming the next Washington Capitals is not the goal.

The Nordiques trading Sundin was one of the worst trades in history...Colorado won the cup in spite of this bone head trade.

"The Maple Leafs acquired Sundin in a trade on June 28, 1994. The Nordiques sent Sundin, Garth Butcher, Todd Warriner, and a 1994 first-round draft pick (acquired through the 1992 Eric Lindros deal, traded to the Washington Capitals, used to pick Nolan Baumgartner) to the Leafs in exchange for Wendel Clark, Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson, and a 1994 first-round draft pick (used to pick Jeff Kealty)"

Trading Yakupov=really stupid

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#69 Bloodsweatandoil
March 27 2013, 02:16PM
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I totally agree with what Gregor feels that this club needs to do / or what to do in the future. Let be honest, our top six are not getting anywhere in this league because every other club in the league is killing us with size and grit in their top 6! Sure we win 1 of 3 games with speed and finesse, but the two we lose is because we always get knocked around and off the puck. It is not very hard to coach or have a game plan against a small top 6 like the Oilers.The top 6 make or break your hockey club for goals for, our top 6 is breaking ours!

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#70 Bucknuck
March 27 2013, 02:18PM
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I really think the term should be Fab Five:

Yakupov, Eberle, Hall, RNH, and Gagner

Of those the heaviest and most tenacious competitor is Gagner. And that's the guy a lot of people want to trade?

It doesn't make sense to me unless you have something AMAZING coming back.

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#71 bored
March 27 2013, 02:19PM
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@John Chambers

Agreed. Both trades would immediately make both teams better. Those are real hockey trades.

Having the assets is one thing, but managing them against time in a salary cap world requires a whole other skill set.

Who is more valuable to another GM:

Yakupov with 2 years remaining on ELC or Eberle with none.

The answer is that it depends on who you're talking to because managing the salary cap is half the battle. Exploiting other teams weaknesses to get the greatest return, that what we need from our GM...unfortunately, we have Tambo instead.

I personally believe we have enough assets to field a playoff team next year, however, I don't think we have the right mix of players.

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#72 Oilcan
March 27 2013, 02:25PM
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Agreed the Oilers need a different mix in their lineup but I would not trade Yakupov right now, the Oilers cant retain Hemsky after his contract is done and in two years we will all be talking about the Oilers having no one behind Eberle at RW. Yakupov plays with a little edge to his game at 18 I would not move him. I think he will be a guy who can carry his line (2nd line) in a few years and be a PP force.

I love Gagners development and how he has played this year (On the PK now too) but I think his value is extremly high right now and might be someone I look at trading in the off season. Jets could use a skilled centre of Gagners calliber and a RFA Gagner for RFA Bogosion could work for both teams. Now obviously that leaves a whole at Center but the Oilers have a whole anywhere they trade someone.

Hall-RNH-Ebs FA/Trade-Horcoff-Yakupov Paajarvi-FA/Trade-Hartikainen Smyth-Lander-Borwn

N. Schultz-Bogosion Smid-Petry DeKayser/Klefbom-J.Schultz Fistric

Dubnyk Danis

I am not a fan of playing a rookie like Klefbom on D and would rather the Oilers find a veteran but that d would be an improvement over this year.

The Oilers would have two spots to fill maybe three if lander is not ready for 4th line duty. Hemsky might get you a LW with 1 or 2 years left on his deal but he probably gets a solid 3rd line center that has a few years on his deal or is a RFA.

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#73 bored
March 27 2013, 02:26PM
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@Klima's Mullet

Ya, but they won the cup. All that matters.

We live in a world where people think having superstars is all that matters, this isn't the NBA, ths sum of the parts is all that matters. That's why crappy teams like Phoenix make the conference finals...it's also why Ovechkin will never win a cup.

Having 50 goal scorers does not equal championships. Having good teams does.

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#74 Racki
March 27 2013, 02:30PM
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Klima's Mullet wrote:

The Nordiques trading Sundin was one of the worst trades in history...Colorado won the cup in spite of this bone head trade.

"The Maple Leafs acquired Sundin in a trade on June 28, 1994. The Nordiques sent Sundin, Garth Butcher, Todd Warriner, and a 1994 first-round draft pick (acquired through the 1992 Eric Lindros deal, traded to the Washington Capitals, used to pick Nolan Baumgartner) to the Leafs in exchange for Wendel Clark, Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson, and a 1994 first-round draft pick (used to pick Jeff Kealty)"

Trading Yakupov=really stupid

I'm guessing he got the trade confused with the Lindros deal, which netted them Steve Duchesne, Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Kerry Huffman (meh), Mike Ricci and Chris Simon. That completely turned the franchise around and was a great deal for them.

The Sundin trade was, as you noted, quite awful, however. But that Lindros trade was fantastic and is a better example of moving a highly touted #1 overall player for lesser, good parts.. or the ol' trading a dollar for 4 quarters adage that was used earlier.

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#75 Dog Train
March 27 2013, 02:31PM
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There are very few hockey trades around the deadline. I think we will make a bigger move in the off-season, most likely involving Hemsky. For now, keep Smid, Gagner and Hemsky because the return will not feature any proven players.

If Belanger was healthy, he would be a goner for sure. Jones, it mostly depends on what he is asking for. I like Jones but he is far from irreplaceable and Smyth will likely still be here (hopefully on the 4th line and not at C). I am not sure that there is room for both Jones and Smyth on the wing. Whitney would depend on the return but I would rather lose him for nothing than get a mid-round pick right now. We are devoid of puck movers and while Whitney's mobility is brutal right now, he can at least help out on the PP and offensively.

I would move Khabibulin if we could get a 2nd rounder for sure. I don't want him as the back-up next year because I feel like he's too much of an injury liability. I think Olivier Roy should be the guy in OKC next season but I do not feel totally safe with him as the #3 if our backup isn't usually healthy. A guy like Ben Bishop would be my personal target. All depending on what happens with Craig Anderson, he could be dealt. They traded a second round pick for him so if he traded Khabby for a second and then flipped that pick to Ottawa? Just thinking aloud but basically, I want to go younger in goal. Dubnyk needs a viable threat, not a stopgap backup in my opinion.

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#76 DSF
March 27 2013, 02:33PM
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What a different conversation this would be if the Oilers had drafted:

Voracek

Kulikov

Ederle

Seguin

Huberdeau

Galchenyuk

Loaded at centre, a young top pairing D, and a couple of high scoring wingers.

Would make it pretty easy to trade Gagner + to fill any hole.

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#77 Bloodsweatandoil
March 27 2013, 02:33PM
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bored wrote:

Ya, but they won the cup. All that matters.

We live in a world where people think having superstars is all that matters, this isn't the NBA, ths sum of the parts is all that matters. That's why crappy teams like Phoenix make the conference finals...it's also why Ovechkin will never win a cup.

Having 50 goal scorers does not equal championships. Having good teams does.

Well said!

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#78 morgie99
March 27 2013, 02:38PM
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Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things wrote:

You're missing my point.

If the season ended today, Toronto's in the playoffs and the Oilers aren't. If you want to find an example of a team trading futures for "win now" and falling flat on their face, you have to look elsewhere.

Yes and what about next year?

The leafs could miss the playoffs next year, with this year being no guarantee either.

Obviously, if you're going to trade it needs to make sense for now and in the future.

I'm not sure the Kessel trade falls in that category, I think it was horrible deal by toronto

if such a deal wins you a cup then it's worth it, toronto winning a cup in the near future seems very unlikely

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#79 Spydyr
March 27 2013, 02:39PM
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DSF wrote:

What a different conversation this would be if the Oilers had drafted:

Voracek

Kulikov

Ederle

Seguin

Huberdeau

Galchenyuk

Loaded at centre, a young top pairing D, and a couple of high scoring wingers.

Would make it pretty easy to trade Gagner + to fill any hole.

Sure hindsight is always 20/20.

Another DSF cherry pick.

Should of took Lukic too.

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#80 Oiler Al
March 27 2013, 02:40PM
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Really wrote:

All this talk about getting Clarkson.....Really is Clarkson going to make us that much better?

My top priority would be adding a veteran Dman. Very few out there....so when you get a chance you might have to over pay.

Really, I am with you on this one... I think this guy is over rated and is having a decent season this year.

Over the last 5 yrs , Gagner's numbers are superior to Clarksons! Gagner is only 2 inches shorter, and close to the same weight.

Lets, not forget that Clarkson spents half of his hockey life in the penalty box. He registers' 120 min. per year. Gagner is less than half of that. Watch what you wish for.

There are hundreds of players in the NHL, who can be great players , playing at 185lbs and 5 ft 11, types... Look at Detroit.

Gagner was on a program last summer to improve his size, strength, etc. More Oilers need to get on those type of programes.. Look what it did for Stamkos with Gary Roberts a couple seasons back.

There are other ways to skin a cat..

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#81 Oilcan
March 27 2013, 02:41PM
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DSF wrote:

What a different conversation this would be if the Oilers had drafted:

Voracek

Kulikov

Ederle

Seguin

Huberdeau

Galchenyuk

Loaded at centre, a young top pairing D, and a couple of high scoring wingers.

Would make it pretty easy to trade Gagner + to fill any hole.

If we drafted Voracek we wouldn't have Gagner to trade...

I think the only hole to fill is between your ears....

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#82 DigDeepNBleedBlue
March 27 2013, 02:43PM
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I assure you Gagner is touchable.

Yes, there is no one to replace him, but if he and a package (Smid and a pick as an example) land you a Couturier and a pick does that suffice?

I'm not saying that will happen, but I think this is the type of trade you need to make and a playoff cusp team may trade a good, young, budding prospect in order to make a push.

This is where you need management to be slick and crafty. Not trade away one of your best prospects. That's easy.

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#83 jason
March 27 2013, 02:44PM
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i agree, we have to mych of the same and need to make some trades to fill our holes at center and defense. the only concern is that tambo and lowe are the ones making this franchise shaping deal. i love the way hall plays but we could have picked a big skilled #1 center instead (seguin) no reflection on hall but a guy like him shows up in every draft (landskog & yakapov) the #1 center is the hardest position to fill if you can draft one you don't pass it up, we did. how many first and second round picks did we give up for penner? look these two guys have as much hockey sense as a cricket coach, if this critical trade isn't done just right we may never make the playoffs agai nevermind win a stanly cup, think i'm over reacting? ask islander or lightening fans because that's were this team is headed straight into a never ending rebuild.

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#84 etownman
March 27 2013, 02:47PM
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At this point I would never trade the high potential of Yakupov for Clarkson! Teams just shouldn't do that! You can filter into line ups physical players just like Pittsburgh does with Cooke & Kunitz & I can guarantee you those guys didn't cost a #1 overall pick! Hemsky, yes, I would make that deal if it were there! Paajarvi would be ok as well but never the pure goal scoring instincts that Yakupov has plus the compete level he seems to have!

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#85 Oilcan
March 27 2013, 02:48PM
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Depending on the price point for Clowe I would try and trade for him at the deadline, the Oilers arent making a cup push but you now have the PF on your team and hopefully make a playoff push, hope that he likes the environment here and playing with the young guys and the Oilers have his rights till July 1st, hopefully they can sign him and if not trade his rights to someone for a pick.

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#86 Team Seguin
March 27 2013, 02:49PM
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here is a much better trade proposal:

Yakupov + ________ for Seguin.

Then trade Gags for a Malone type.

And I didn't even get paid to write that.

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#87 TYLER
March 27 2013, 02:52PM
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Would anyone be against what san jose did with Burns? I would like to see the oilers take on a pet projest with peckam, why not turn him onto a winger move him to the fourth line to play with brown? he hits,fights and i think he would be a great fit there, any thoughts?

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#88 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
March 27 2013, 02:52PM
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Edmonton management should have a short list of half a dozen guys (league wide) that they'd be interested in if they become available. Stay the course and take the lotto selections till the worm turns. Maybe it has already with Justin Schultz believing in what's going on here. Stay the course and wait till the wind blows (a trade) what we need in our direction.

Once Lowe feels they're getting closer/close enough to being competitive, things will shift in a more competitive direction. Adding another lotto selection this year will help soften the blow of having to surrender an Eberle or a Yakupov to bring in a top pairing blueliner. Just keep adding assets till they can address the next area of weakness.

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#89 Ogie Oilthorpe
March 27 2013, 02:57PM
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Racki wrote:

I'm Racki, and I approve this message.

Don't forget that you cut for Deaner..

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#90 PapaMike
March 27 2013, 02:58PM
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I guess my two cents is that I don't see any plan or philosophy on how the Oilers want to play. Until they figure that out, why trade any of our skilled guys now. We don't have a system, other than gap :) control for the D. Once they decide on a system, then target players to get. I would rather target teams that have cap space issues this summer.

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#91 gcw_rocks
March 27 2013, 03:00PM
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On khabby - trade him. As you point out, you can't rely on him to stay healthy and there seems to be more goalies available than spots each summer. You want a vet, Theordore will be available, or Mason.

Whitney's done. They need to trade him if they can. They are going to have to trade Hemsky and/or a defensive prospect for an established defenceman. When they do, Whitney would be irrelevant anyway.

Jones, despite some goal scoring ability, is a horrible hockey player, and his PK work has slipped this year. If Krueger deployed his forwards a little more strategically, and had some better passing from the defense, then the scoring would likely take care of itself. Let Jones go and sign Dominic Moore as a replacement and be much much better off.

Hemsky of Gagner should only be traded if an impact defenceman is coming back the other way. Hemsky is option 1 unless the Oilers slide into lottery territory and grab a Barkov, which may make you think more evenly about who you trade.

They need to use some of their defensive prospect depth to get a second quality defenceman or a power forward like a Chris Stewart. The team's 2014 1st round pick should also be considered as a trading chip.

Next year's roster:

Hall - RNH - Eberle MPS - Gagner - Yakupov Higgins/Stalberg - Horcoff - Hartikainen Smyth - Moore - Belanger

Hemsky trade return - 1st round pick/Klefbom trade return Smid - Petry Schultz - J. Schultz

Dubnyk Theodore

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#92 geoilersgist
March 27 2013, 03:01PM
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TYLER wrote:

Would anyone be against what san jose did with Burns? I would like to see the oilers take on a pet projest with peckam, why not turn him onto a winger move him to the fourth line to play with brown? he hits,fights and i think he would be a great fit there, any thoughts?

This is exactly what I said yesterday. Why are the Oilers not trying this.

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#93 gcw_rocks
March 27 2013, 03:03PM
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On khabby - trade him. As you point out, you can't rely on him to stay healthy and there seems to be more goalies available than spots each summer. You want a vet, Theordore will be available, or Mason.

Whitney's done. They need to trade him if they can. They are going to have to trade Hemsky and/or a defensive prospect for an established defenceman. When they do, Whitney would be irrelevant anyway.

Jones, despite some goal scoring ability, is a horrible hockey player, and his PK work has slipped this year. If Krueger deployed his forwards a little more strategically, and had some better passing from the defense, then the scoring would likely take care of itself. Let Jones go and sign Dominic Moore as a replacement and be much much better off.

Hemsky of Gagner should only be traded if an impact defenceman is coming back the other way. Hemsky is option 1 unless the Oilers slide into lottery territory and grab a Barkov, which may make you think more evenly about who you trade.

They need to use some of their defensive prospect depth to get a second quality defenceman or a power forward like a Chris Stewart. The team's 2014 1st round pick should also be considered as a trading chip.

Next year's roster:

Hall - RNH - Eberle MPS - Gagner - Yakupov Higgins/Stalberg - Horcoff - Hartikainen Smyth - Moore - Belanger

Hemsky trade return - 1st round pick/Klefbom trade return Smid - Petry Schultz - J. Schultz

Dubnyk Theodore

frigin' formatting!

Line 1: Hall - RNH - Eberle,

Line 2: MPS - Gagner - Yakupov,

Line 3: Higgins/Stalberg - Horcoff - Hartikainen,

Line 4: Smyth - Moore - Belanger,

1st pairing: Hemsky trade return - 1st round pick/Klefbom trade return,

2nd pairing: Smid - Petry,

3rd pairing: Schultz - J. Schultz,

Starter: Dubnyk, Back up: Theodore

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#94 Rama Lama
March 27 2013, 03:04PM
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At some point Tamby will need to trade one of the young guns. Obviously there is conjecture relating to who gets whom as far as a trade goes.

Hate to sound like a negative nelly but I think the Oilers are preparing for another top pick or picks at this years draft.

There is no trades being manufactured to bring in a power forward........you can take that to the bank.

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#95 Oilfred
March 27 2013, 03:05PM
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I think most of us know what the answer would be if you where to ask NHL GMs what they think about Yakupov for Clarkson.

The Stamkos comparison goes way beyond a one timer. They played on the same junior team and Yak broke Stamkos' scoring record.

I know you feeling defensive but I have to say this come across as having as much grown up responsibility for ones actions as a 5 year old.

Weak dude.

Weak.

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#96 DigDeepNBleedBlue
March 27 2013, 03:11PM
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TYLER wrote:

Would anyone be against what san jose did with Burns? I would like to see the oilers take on a pet projest with peckam, why not turn him onto a winger move him to the fourth line to play with brown? he hits,fights and i think he would be a great fit there, any thoughts?

I haven't liked the way Teddy has been used this year. I keep hoping Whitney gets traded, sooner than later, and we get to see what we have with this cat.

One has to wonder if he is better than both Whitney and Potter. His usage would suggest no. And, if that's the case he must be very, very bad because I believe Potter and Whitney are not that good.

Coach used these two in last nights game instead of Fistric and Peckham because they could move the puck out of their end better. I'm not so sure about that assessment...

Move him to forward? Not a horrible thought. I would prefer him on the back end, though. If he is able to do it well, that is. But, we need to see if he can thrive there first. He's got to play in order to determine that.

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#97 Butters
March 27 2013, 03:17PM
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Taylor Hall 21 Sam Gagner 23 Jordan Eberle 22 Justin Schultz 22 Rookie Nail Yakupov 19 Rookie Ryan Nugent-Hopkins 19

Hmmm, why doesn't this team win more? We must be missing grit and sandpaper.

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#98 John Chambers
March 27 2013, 03:17PM
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DSF wrote:

What a different conversation this would be if the Oilers had drafted:

Voracek

Kulikov

Ederle

Seguin

Huberdeau

Galchenyuk

Loaded at centre, a young top pairing D, and a couple of high scoring wingers.

Would make it pretty easy to trade Gagner + to fill any hole.

Indeed, however how would the Oilers have acquired Gagner had they drafted Voracek? :)

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#99 Lochenzo
March 27 2013, 03:18PM
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We have yet to see Seguin play centre at the NHL level. I'm sure that Boston and Edmonton are asking the same question...will or when will we see Seguin and Hall play centre.

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#100 DigDeepNBleedBlue
March 27 2013, 03:19PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

At some point Tamby will need to trade one of the young guns. Obviously there is conjecture relating to who gets whom as far as a trade goes.

Hate to sound like a negative nelly but I think the Oilers are preparing for another top pick or picks at this years draft.

There is no trades being manufactured to bring in a power forward........you can take that to the bank.

I still think the boys can compete for a playoff spot. Whether they get there or not remains to be seen, but I don't agree with throwing in the towel yet. It teaches our core nothing useful.

Preparing for another top pick? I think the tell was in the conditional 3rd round pick for Brown if the Oil make the playoffs. I like Brown, but that was a tell for me.

I just chose to think competing this year for a playoff spot is more beneficial in the long run. And, mathematically, they still can. JMO.

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