TRADE WINDS....

Jason Gregor
March 27 2013 12:45PM

The 2013 NHL trade deadline is next Wednesday at 1 p.m. MST, and the next week will be great for those who love trade rumours. One rumour got squashed yesterday when it was reported that Mikka Kiprusoff would not report to his new team if the Calgary Flames traded him, which of course was met by laughter amongst Edmonton fans.

Thankfully there are many other rumblings, rumours and potential deals floating around.

What will the Oilers do?

Nikolai Khabibulin made Doug Maclean's suggestion that he could fetch a 2nd rounder seem realistic after his 43-save performance last night.

The tougher question is are the Oilers better off having Khabibulin as a $1.2 million back up next year, or moving him for a draft pick?

So let's look at some of the options the Oilers have to trade. These thoughts are a combination of my views as well as what I've heard and read as far as pros and cons for each player from pundits and fans. I don't agree or disagree with all of them, but respect the differing views.

KHABIBULIN

  • Would he want to play for $1.2 million?
  • He turns 41next January, and age catches up with most players.
  • Unreliable due to injuries.
  • His history of injuries is the main concern. The interesting thing about Khabibulin is that he works incredibly hard to stay in shape. He's in really good shape, but you wonder if his body is breaking down. Maybe he pushes too hard, because he seems to tweak something every few weeks.
  • When he plays he's played very well. In six starts he has a sparkling 1.93 GAA and a .941SV%. Those numbers are unattainable over a long period, but we've seen that when he plays he can still win games.
  • He works well with Dubnyk. They have a healthy and respectful relationship.
  • I don't see the Oilers being able to overhaul the blueline in one summer. It would require three solid moves, and while it is possible, I'm not sure it is realistic. If the Oilers don't land highly touted college prospect Danny Dekeyser (who is good, but far from a saviour or lock to be a top-four), and another D-man via a trade of UFA signing (weak pool) then their D won't be much better next year and they will need a reliable back up.

RYAN WHITNEY

  • The free agent list isn't very good, especially for D-men under the age of 30.
  • Justin Schultz would be the only excellent puck mover remaining. The Oilers need D-men who can move the puck quickly and accurately to their skilled forwards.
  • The Oilers recent history of signing UFAs to come into Edmonton isn't great. There is no guarantee they will find a better replacement. There is also a good chance Whitney performs well in another environment. Being comfortable and feeling confident is a huge factor in how a player performs on the ice.
  • The advanced stats show he's struggled.
  • He will never be able to turn due to his surgeries.
  • It is clear the coaching staff doesn't have a lot of confidence in him. When that happens, usually it is hard to change it. If a player is worried about making a mistake and getting benched, usually they make more mistakes.

RYAN JONES

  • For a team that struggles to score ES, at least he can score 5-on-5.
  • He goes to the net regularly and scores garbage goals. Oilers don't have a lot of guys like that.
  • Jones is a complimentary player. He won't be a key cog in winning, but he's shown the ability to produce. While surrendering scoring chances doesn't look good on paper, scoring goals trumps that.
  • He is on the ice for way too many scoring chances against.
  • Teemu Hartikainen is bigger and can replace him.
  • He isn't physical enough on a team that desperately needs some guys who are harder to play against. He's a solid NHLer, but if needed they can find a veteran UFA to replace him.

I suspect those three would make garner the most interest, amongst players the Oilers would consider trading.

There are some other names that have been tossed around for the Oilers...

Ladislav Smid

  • I think the Oilers would be foolish to deal him. I outlined the available free agent D-men yesterday, and no one on that list looks like a potential upgrade to Smid. Smid knows his role and he's good at it. He plays hard and is the most physical D-man who plays every night. I still believe the Oilers and Smid will come to an agreement prior to April 3rd. If they don't we can chat about then after the 3rd.

Ales Hemsky

  • If you trade him at the deadline you are likely only getting picks and prospects in return. At this point in the rebuild the Oilers need to move him in a deal where you get a proven NHL player back in return rather than picks. He's played much better now that his shoulder issues are behind him and I suspect there would be more interest in the summer.

Sam Gagner

  • Gagner has been the lightning rod for years in Edmonton. He's had a great start to the season and will get a raise on his current $3.2 million contract this summer. His trade value is much higher now than it was last year, so the return would be better. Gagner is very popular in the dressing room, he has worked hard at improving his game and no one questions his desire. I don't see any reason to move him at the deadline, and if he they consider moving him in the summer they have to get a solid D-man of big, skilled forward in return. I don't trade Gagner for anything less than a proven player.

LOOKING AHEAD

No one knows what the future holds, but at some point the results have to match the "potential"and "patience" that has been talked about for years in Edmonton.

For me there is one obvious conclusion coming for the Edmonton Oilers. They won't be able to move forward with all six of their young 19-23 year-old forwards. They don't have the right combination of size, skill and sandpaper needed to succeed in the NHL. That doesn't mean they all won't be successful NHL players, it just means I don't see all of them developing with the Oilers.

Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle will make $6 million next year. Gagner is in line for a raise that will put him close to $5 million next year and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins likely gets a contract similar to Hall and Eberle starting in 2014.

The Oilers still haven't found a recipe to win, and when they do they won't be able to afford all of their young stars, even if you believe they can win with six skilled forwards.

The Oilers need to get some size down the middle, improve their blueline and get some productive veterans into their lineup. The issue is many think they can do this without trading any of their young skilled players. Reality check, that isn't going to be possible.

The way I see it the Oilers will end up moving two, maybe three players amongst Hemsky, Gagner, Magnus Paajarvi and Nail Yakupov. You might not like that reality, but I don't see any other way this team will be able to improve and afford their lineup if they don't make those types of moves.

There is a good chance that the Oilers trade those guys and they put up decent numbers on another team, and likely more than the players coming to Edmonton, but that doesn't mean the Oilers will lose those trades. If they acquire a strong, steady defenceman for one of them that makes them more competitive.

If they acquire a skilled forward who plays physical, scores, is a good puck retriever and goes to the net that will make them better. The Oilers will still have three very good skilled players remaining, in Hall, RNH and Eberle and one or two of 64, 89, 91 and 83.

You can't expect the Oilers to have six forwards score 55+ points regularly. It just doesn't happen in today's game. You need a good mix in your lineup. You need some some skilled players with size and grit. Suggesting you don't doesn't jive with teams that win championships.

Here are the top scorers, with at least 34 points, of the last four Cup winners: 

LOS ANGELES          
Player  Pos  GP  G  A  P
Anze Kopitar C 82 25 51 76
Justin Williams R 82 22 37 59
Dustin Brown R 82 22 32 54
Mike Richards C 74 18 26 44
Drew Doughty D 77 10 26 36
Jeff Carter L 55 21 13 34
           
BOSTON          
Player  Pos GP  G  A  P
Milan Lucic L 79 30 32 62
David Krejci C 75 13 49 62
Patrice Bergeron C 80 22 35 57
Nathan Horton R 80 26 27 53
Mark Recchi R 81 14 34 48
Tomas Kaberle D 82 4 43 47
Zdeno Chara D 81 14 30 44
Brad Marchand L 77 21 20 41
Rich Peverley C 82 18 23 41
Michael Ryder R 79 18 23 41
           
CHICAGO Pos GP  G  A  P
Patrick Kane R 82 30 58 88
Duncan Keith D 82 14 55 69
Jonathan Toews C 76 25 43 68
Patrick Sharp L 82 25 41 66
Marian Hossa R 57 24 27 51
Kris Versteeg R 79 20 24 44
Troy Brouwer R 78 22 18 40
Andrew Ladd L 82 17 21 38
Brian Campbell D 68 7 31 38
           
PITTSBURGH          
Evgeni Malkin C 82 35 78 113
Sidney Crosby C 77 33 70 103
Chris Kunitz L 82 23 30 53
Jordan Staal C 82 22 27 49
Bill Guerin R 78 21 27 48
Petr Sykora R 76 25 21 46
Ruslan Fedotenko L 65 16 23 39
Miroslav Satan R 65 17 19 36
Tyler Kennedy C 67 15 20 35

Do you honestly believe the Oilers top-six resembles any of those teams?

The reality is the Oilers will need to move some of their skilled forwards.

The difficult question will be when and who?

THINKING OUTLOUD...

Yesterday on my radio show, I asked Jason Strudwick if he'd deal Nail Yakupov for David Clarkson. Of course the deal would hinge on Clarkson having a new contract and the Oilers getting something else in return. It wasn't a one-for-one deal.

The point of the question was to point out  that the Oilers will need to trade away a skilled player; one who likely will produce points elsewhere. (Yakupov was just an example. Not saying he is the 1st one I'd trade) And by trading one or two of them away, that doesn't mean they are bad players. It just means the Oilers need to alter their lineup to become more successful.

The difficult decision for the Oilers GM, whoever that is when the time comes to trade one of them, is making the right move. The move won't be made solely on statistics. They will have to look at other things: contracts, attitude, competitive nature, size, etc.

It won't be easy, but it you believe it won't happen I think you are fooling yourself.

The reactions to the Clarkson topic ranged from "You're an idiot," to "Yakupov could be like Stamkos."

Both made me chuckle, but the latter really stuck with me. Stamkos is the best goal scorer in the game, so of course it is realistic to compare Yakupov to him because they were both #1 picks and because Yakupov has a good one-timer. I hope for Yakupov's sake he becomes like Stamkos, but Stamkos has more to his game than a great one-timer. Stamkos has incredibly high hockey sense, and he's excellent at anticipating where the openings are in the offensive zone to get himself in good scoring areas.

Yakupov might become a very good scorer, but suggesting he'll be like Stamkos is the ultimate best-case scenario. It is unlikely, however. Just like it is unlikely that the first overall picks taken between Stamkos and Yakupov, John Tavares, Hall and RNH, will score as often as Stamkos.

Many people want the Oilers to acquire good players, but they aren't willing to give up anything of substance. Instead they want to offer up spare parts, usually players you feel are junk, to get players like Clarkson, Lucic, Clowe or others.  

If the Oilers are going to improve moving forward they will eventually need to change the mix amongst their top forwards. It will be a difficult decision, and the organization has to ensure they have the right guy calling the shots. Based on recent decisions, it is fair to question whether the current regime is prepared and able to make the right choice.

This type of trade will occur in the near future, and when it does, the Oilers must make the correct decision and they need the right man calling the shots.

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#51 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
March 27 2013, 02:52PM
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Edmonton management should have a short list of half a dozen guys (league wide) that they'd be interested in if they become available. Stay the course and take the lotto selections till the worm turns. Maybe it has already with Justin Schultz believing in what's going on here. Stay the course and wait till the wind blows (a trade) what we need in our direction.

Once Lowe feels they're getting closer/close enough to being competitive, things will shift in a more competitive direction. Adding another lotto selection this year will help soften the blow of having to surrender an Eberle or a Yakupov to bring in a top pairing blueliner. Just keep adding assets till they can address the next area of weakness.

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#52 PapaMike
March 27 2013, 02:58PM
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I guess my two cents is that I don't see any plan or philosophy on how the Oilers want to play. Until they figure that out, why trade any of our skilled guys now. We don't have a system, other than gap :) control for the D. Once they decide on a system, then target players to get. I would rather target teams that have cap space issues this summer.

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#53 gcw_rocks
March 27 2013, 03:00PM
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On khabby - trade him. As you point out, you can't rely on him to stay healthy and there seems to be more goalies available than spots each summer. You want a vet, Theordore will be available, or Mason.

Whitney's done. They need to trade him if they can. They are going to have to trade Hemsky and/or a defensive prospect for an established defenceman. When they do, Whitney would be irrelevant anyway.

Jones, despite some goal scoring ability, is a horrible hockey player, and his PK work has slipped this year. If Krueger deployed his forwards a little more strategically, and had some better passing from the defense, then the scoring would likely take care of itself. Let Jones go and sign Dominic Moore as a replacement and be much much better off.

Hemsky of Gagner should only be traded if an impact defenceman is coming back the other way. Hemsky is option 1 unless the Oilers slide into lottery territory and grab a Barkov, which may make you think more evenly about who you trade.

They need to use some of their defensive prospect depth to get a second quality defenceman or a power forward like a Chris Stewart. The team's 2014 1st round pick should also be considered as a trading chip.

Next year's roster:

Hall - RNH - Eberle MPS - Gagner - Yakupov Higgins/Stalberg - Horcoff - Hartikainen Smyth - Moore - Belanger

Hemsky trade return - 1st round pick/Klefbom trade return Smid - Petry Schultz - J. Schultz

Dubnyk Theodore

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#54 Rama Lama
March 27 2013, 03:04PM
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At some point Tamby will need to trade one of the young guns. Obviously there is conjecture relating to who gets whom as far as a trade goes.

Hate to sound like a negative nelly but I think the Oilers are preparing for another top pick or picks at this years draft.

There is no trades being manufactured to bring in a power forward........you can take that to the bank.

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#55 rickithebear
March 27 2013, 03:23PM
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David Clarkson Had 8PPG and 8 PP assists last year. this year he is on pace for 12PPGin a 80 GM season. he is a career 10% goal scorer. his 30G season he was 35% over his caeer average for shooting %.

Give him 2nd PP unit time he gets u 3-4PPG a year. that makes him a 17-18G/year guy.

Clarkson GF/60 rate on PP the last three years. 2.17 12-13 1.51 11-12 0.45 10-11

Our PP: 12-13 Hemsky 3.86 Horcoff 2.81 Yakupov 2.33 Gagner 2.14 MP 2.13 Eberle 1.93 hartikainen 1.59 Hall 1.33

11-12 Hall 3.64 Jones 2.70 Eberle 2.65 Gagner 1.66 Horcoff 1.33

10-11 Horcoff 2.50 Hall 2.18 Hartikainen 2.11 Jones 1.81 Eberle 1.43 there is no way he plays on our first 2 PP units.

Sometimes people are on the first PP unit for teams cause there are no other options.

What I see is you wanting to trade for a guy that will get to play in the exact same role as Ryan jones and likely get the same production.

Ryan jones was top 10 in Pk winger the last two seasons. Something Clarkson does not do.

trading for a guy who cannot PK. Had 30 goal season by having a career shooting % year and being proped up by playing 3 min of PP a game.

when we have a player with simmiliar even scoring rates with no PP time even though he scores more per minute of pp time.

Plus the guy you want to bring in does not PK.

this is awfull on so many levels - less Pk options - Higher Cap hit. - loss of assets.

If lou is smart he trades for Jones. Dumps Clarkson. Gets a better fit for his team @ probably 1/3 the cap hit.

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#56 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
March 27 2013, 03:24PM
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Oilfred wrote:

I think most of us know what the answer would be if you where to ask NHL GMs what they think about Yakupov for Clarkson.

The Stamkos comparison goes way beyond a one timer. They played on the same junior team and Yak broke Stamkos' scoring record.

I know you feeling defensive but I have to say this come across as having as much grown up responsibility for ones actions as a 5 year old.

Weak dude.

Weak.

Go easy on him, deep down inside he's just a hockeyfan like the rest of us. No harm no foul.

Every trade ever made in the NHL was laughed at from one side or the other before it actually happened. How many times have we seen an NHL trade happen and thought to ourselves, wow, that was alot to give up. Who knows why trades go down the way they do, money reasons, conflicts between players/management yada yada. From the outside deals like this happen all the time.

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#57 John Chambers
March 27 2013, 03:30PM
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@bored

"I personnally believe we have enough assets to field a playoff team next year, however, I don't think we have the right mix of players."

Bingo.

But Yakupov for someone with far less skill in their late 20's is a fireable offense.

Surely we can obtain a quality young asset on D (Carlson, Del Zotto, Fowler, Gudbrandson, Faulk, etc) as well as a quality YOUNG forward in exchange for Eberle or Yakupov.

But Tambellini isn't much of a salesman.

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#58 vetinari
March 27 2013, 03:48PM
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I'd love to see our GM actually add pieces through UFA's because in those situations, we don't give up players from a position of weakness to fill holes-- those trades tend to be to augment rosters not compensate for what's clearly missing in the lineup.

Of course, our brain trust collectively decided a couple years ago that we needed grit and faceoff ability (which was true) and they added Eager, Hordichuk and Belanger as a result. The results have been 2 out of 3 sent to the minors after clearing waivers, and the third being a frequent flyer on the injury reserved list.

I suspect that we will be deadline sellers even if we are a few points out because this roster, as it currently stands, would get killed in the playoffs because that's when teams get really disciplined and tight, and we can't yet compete on that level on a consistent basis, and guys like Khabibulin and Jones will have no value to us past April 3rd.

I think that Yak and Paajarvi are the most disposable/tradable of the recent first rounders, but they may be more tradable in June when teams have to roll back under the new cap for 2013-14 and teams may be willing to dump quality but pricey veterans for youth.

Frankly, I expect a modest to quiet trade deadline for OilerNation but a busy draft day through to the UFA season.

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#59 Zack
March 27 2013, 03:53PM
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Hemsky for clarkson seem fair. But you don't trade 1st overall picks in today's NHL. And if you do it's a blockbuster trade where we benefit greatly not just a quick upgrade.

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#60 Butters
March 27 2013, 04:02PM
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"Do you honestly believe the Oilers top-six resembles any of those teams?"

While the Oiler forwards may not resemble the flavour of the year SC Champion LA Kings', I think Jonathon Quick's 940 Save % and 1.36 GAA going into Game 6 played a big part.

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#61 Archaeologuy
March 27 2013, 04:09PM
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RNH, Eberle, Yak, Hall, and Schultz are Untouchable. Absolutely untouchable.

The fact is the Oilers only know how much the Cap is going to be next year. After that it is a mystery. The Cap rose every single year in the last CBA, it will likely continue to do so.

The Oilers are not in a Cap bind with their young players. If they arent int a crunch then they have the luxury of waiting for Yak and RNH to emerge.

Trading Yakupov today would be a terrible mistake. What if Stamkos was traded while Barry Melrose was the Coach and he was struggling?

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#63 HockeyBoss
March 27 2013, 04:33PM
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@Jason Gregor

Fair enough.

We agree that "in the near future" somethings gotta give..The Oil have an "embarrassment of riches" at FWD as they say..One can make the arguement that it takes talent to get talent..So i get your point..But disagree that we'll need to move one of the core kids to get tougher....

This is where I think a new GM - someone who can work multiple deals, has the nuts to pull a trade needs to come in...

Move future draft picks...Add a decent roster player (such as a Hemsky)and you get the tough fwd (or Dman) the fill any other void the oilers have.

Make moves now so you don't have to move the core in the future.

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#64 bazmagoo
March 27 2013, 04:37PM
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Trading Yakupov would be a major error in judgement. The kids got a great attitude and has the potential to be a consistent top 25 scorer in the league (or higher).

The only top 6 type forward we should be looking at trading is Hemsky, but it would also have to be a hockey trade. No more trades for picks, we need veterans who can perform on a consistent basis.

Oilersnation continues to be in panic mode, but to be honest I can't understand why. Anyone who watched the first 10 games of the season should have known there was zero chance this team would make the playoffs (still hoping they prove me wrong) but the arrows are all pointing in the right direction. Just need a little more stability on d, more size upfront (note Hall, Eberle, Gagner, Yakupov, and RNH will all get bigger/stronger over the next 5 years as well as they grow into their bodies) and a little more consistent goaltending.

Slowly but surely we are becoming more and more competitive, it isn't likely to happen over night

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#65 Ducey
March 27 2013, 04:40PM
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@Jason Gregor

The Oilers are not built, and won't be in four years, to win with all kids. Age, size, maturity, style of play are the reasons. You don't have to like it, but if you don't see the differences between the Oilers and the makeup of the championship teams then you are watching more with your heart.

Uh, in 4 years the kids won't be kids anymore...and they will be more mature...and better defensively, and uh, what are you talking about?

Oh right, it really boils down to the "too small" argument again.

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#66 BRHLBryce
March 27 2013, 04:53PM
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If any of the big 5 (Hall-Ebs-Nuge-Yak-Schultz) has to be traded, you would want to trade the least dynamic of the group. Looking 2-3 years down the road when the contracts are the concern, it HAS to be Eberle that is moved.

I love Ebs, but lets face it, the upside of everyone else on that list surpasses Eberle, and will be more valuable to us in the longterm. Add in his sp% regression to the norm, and Eberle is probably overpaid on his extension.

If Ebs is traded to get us that top pairing dman, or big bodied top 6 forward, it would make sense.

That being said, with tambo at the help, I am sure we deal Whitney and Jones for picks, and stand pat, yet again.

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#67 Bucknuck
March 27 2013, 04:59PM
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If I was trading one of the kids, then I would be looking at a player like Evander Kane in return.

That I could handle.

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#68 washed up
March 27 2013, 05:07PM
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If you can get a deal for Eberle like the Blues got for Johnson. You make that deal all day long.

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#69 Ducey
March 27 2013, 05:33PM
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BRHLBryce wrote:

take a shot at Tyler Myers at 5.5 million? You could get him relatively cheap from Buffalo (as in PRV gets a quick yes), he has 8 years at 5.5 left, which is brutal if he plays like he has this year. But if he rebounds, and plays like he did the first 3 years? There's your top pairing young, monster dman.

If he doesn't is management willing to use a compliance buyout on him down the road?

Unfortunately, that outside the box thinking is not prevalent. I guess we wait till Tambo gets fired and see what MacT does

FTNF

Thats a big risk. Myers numbers have been going down steadily. He might rebound but you have to figure his confidence may be shot - maybe for good.

I'd take a flyer on him but I would not want to give MPS for him, especially with that contract. He could be an anchor, even with a buyout.

MPS is going to be a stud two way forward in a few years. Just what the Oilers need. He likely will average around 35 - 40 pts, so he shouldn't get too expensive.

I might be inclined to give up Hemsky for him if they take Eager's contract or throw in a pick.

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#70 justDOit
March 27 2013, 05:37PM
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WinterNightSky wrote:

Craig Millar and Len Barrie. That was super awesome.

Thx. My point was that if the return on that trade didn't suck the big one, we would remember who came back.

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#71 leadfarmer
March 27 2013, 07:03PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Zack,

In five years you think the Oilers will be able to afford 4,14,93,89,64, 91, Schultz and this year's top pick?

And that they will win with all skilled forwards, with not much size?

How do you see the Oilers getting bigger in their top-six and wearing down teams, if you don't move any of the current players. I don't see them suddenly growing and getting bigger.

And I never said the deal happens today, but they will happen in the next two years.

They'll have to move one or 2 but I sure hope the return is better than Clarkson.

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#72 GVBlackhawk
March 27 2013, 07:15PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

Is the question "Who is the better player?" or "Who projects to be better throughout their career?"

If it is "Who is the better player?", then an additional question is "Who would you rather have on the ice with 1min to go?"

Eberle..... all day long. Eberle is the better player today.

The question was "Who projects to be the better player".

Who do I want on the ice with one minute to go? The five guys who are playing the best during that game/period.

Yakupov had some great late game heroics earlier this year :) I definitely want him on the ice from age 20-30!

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#73 Bucknuck
March 27 2013, 07:30PM
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I figure LA for Iginla, as long as he passes the physical. :-)

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#74 outdoorzguy
March 27 2013, 09:44PM
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"What will the Oilers do"? Nothing of any significance, our management is to insignificant to do anything significant to improve this team.

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#75 outdoorzguy
March 27 2013, 09:48PM
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NewAgeSys wrote:

You have an excellent read on the roster and its potential, congratulations.

I agree with every single thing you posted 100%.

I will add that it is beyond negligent to even suggest tradeing Yakupov.

I believe that we will dump as many contracts and players as we can before the deadline and make a decisive move to retool our 3rd line.

Goaltending is an issue as well, Dubby is still evolving but hes not a Rookie anymore and we need to see more out of him, he is doing ok but we are seeing a bad tendancy to forget and drop at the wrong times and several teams have already targeted this weakness systemwise and had sucess against us doing it

Whitney believe it or not has evolved his game in the last six games, he has turned a corner and we now need him its ironic but once he got it he really got it and has done much better lately and looks like he is proving it was a communication issue systemwise not him as an individual.

The Coyotes want Gagner really bad because they recognise his vision and ability to run a system like they have there,and now is the best time for the Oilers to deal him if the Yotes will cough up Yandle, we wont have to give them MPS now that Gags has evolved offensively.

Bowmeister is definately a Cup type of player and we need him badly as well but would need to be creative to land him, I am sure the Managment is looking at him.

I still think Luongo is heading here for Whitney and Hemmer.

We seem to have Klefbom and Deshay-whatever on the horizon to add to J Schultz and Petry and Smid, if we land either BowMeister or Yandle or both and can pick up Luongo we are suddenly a playoff team if we can get the 3rd line re-tooled.

I dont endorse or subscribe in any way to any of these trades listed, I am simply generating an educated guess as to how the Round Table might view things with their group mindset.

"I am simply generating an educated guess as to how the Round Table might view things with their group mindset."

Had to laugh at this one. The moronic Oiler management have no such thing as a mindset and as such would never be able to find the table round or otherwise!

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#76 @Oilanderp
March 27 2013, 09:57PM
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Props Gregor for sticking your balls on the executioner block and actually suggesting a detailed possible solution, even if it was only an example.

Probably better though if you had auctioned them off for charity: 'Next up, Gregor's balls™'

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#77 The Soup Fascist
March 27 2013, 11:45PM
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DSF wrote:

The Russian projects as a second line centre...Bartkowski a 4-5 D.

I "projected" to be a Brad Pitt stand-in. Didn't work out as planned.

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#78 GVBlackhawk
March 27 2013, 11:57PM
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Iginla goes to Pittsburgh.

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#79 HOFFFF
March 28 2013, 12:05AM
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Good call on Pittsburg DSF!

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#80 HOFFFF
March 28 2013, 12:08AM
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Bad call on Boston Aaron Ward!

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#81 TigerUnderGlass
March 28 2013, 01:35AM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Show me where I said compare the Oilers to the Hawks. Actually I included players who had 35 points to show it is rare for teams to even have 4 guys score 50.

Bolland is an excellent two-way player. Size has nothing to do with it. Suggesting Gagner plays like Bolland is completely inaccurate. The Oilers mix isn't just size. It is a lack of defensive awareness.

Hossa is a heavy player. Ask NHL D-men he's incredibly hard to play against. He also was 30 and a veteran. And you didn't include Patrick Sharp in their top-six? He had 66 points playing on the 3rd line? Wow that is the best 3rd liner in recent history.

And Sharp and Hossa were veterans, and the rest were all mid 20s...except Toews and Kane.

The Oilers are all kids and is a major factor. They don't have the gamesmanship or experience needed to win.

The Oilers are not built, and won't be in four years, to win with all kids. Age, size, maturity, style of play are the reasons. You don't have to like it, but if you don't see the differences between the Oilers and the makeup of the championship teams then you are watching more with your heart.

Then you can add in the salary cap factor and how the ELC deals will all be done in two years. Another major hurdle.

I went with the top six by even strength ice time per game during the playoffs the year they won the cup. You made it fairly clear you were talking about what was necessary to win in the playoffs no? Patrick Sharp was 7th after the players I named.

Makes more sense than throwing out names of guys who scored points, including defensemen, and asking if our top six looks like the players you listed. Instead of acting smug try asking why instead.

You are the king of the moving goalposts. How can you go on and on saying "does the Oilers' top six look like the top six of these teams" and then decide we're talking about anything but size?

You asked if they looked like these top sixes, I basically said I don't think it would take much to look like the CHI top six, and it wouldn't.

I don't have to like it? You think we need to move a #1 overall pick for a larger middling veteran player and I'm the one watching hockey more with my heart? That is insane.

I never said they should trade any of these guys. I have in fact repeatedly suggested Eberle should be moved. What I wouldn't do is trade Eberle for Troy Brouwer because TALL.

Of course those teams are different. Would you like to know how? Chicago didn't trade Kane to get Andrew Ladd. PIT didn't trade Malkin to get Kunitz. LA didn't trade Kopitar for Penner. The problem with the Oilers is that they might do exactly what you suggest and then wonder why they aren't improving.

Everyone but the Oilers' management knows they aren't going to win. It doesn't mean they should move Yakupov for the type of player who was subsequently dealt for Ivan Vishnevskiy and Atlanta's 2nd round choice. Ridiculous. There are other means to get players.

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#82 NewAgeSys
March 28 2013, 02:54AM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

Props Gregor for sticking your balls on the executioner block and actually suggesting a detailed possible solution, even if it was only an example.

Probably better though if you had auctioned them off for charity: 'Next up, Gregor's balls™'

Jesus, lets leave the cojones out of this , I have never heard an execution micro-managed to the degree that the twins became a target of the blade. There is something just not right about that....

Just curious here but is there a funky looking chopping block that comes with that visualisation?Ha ha ha AAGGHHH!!! God that whole idea is so wrong,hahaha.

The Oilers need to hire you ase a Motivational Facillitator. ha ha ha agh aghhh----Chokes on slice of Kiwi and gets lucky and executes a self-applied NHS Hemleich Manouver with the arm of the sofa and cheats the Reaper yet again---

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#85 Manfly
March 28 2013, 07:33AM
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HOFFFF wrote:

Bad call on Boston Aaron Ward!

ya he really jumped the gun on that announcement, didn't he? still, if i'm the Flames management, i'm taking the Boston deal instead!

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#86 The Soup Fascist
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

A very good draft!

I think they move Kiprusoff this summer when everything dies down and Kipper has time to evaluate his next move. There’s your four first rounder’s, between Calgary and Columbus picks they could move forward quickly.

Calgary's last 20 years of 1st round selections:

Jankowski (Midget House League scoring champ in Quebec), Baertschi, 2010 Traded Away, Erixon, Neimsz, Backlund, Irving, Pelech, Chucko, Phaneuf, Nystrom, Kobasew, Krahn, Saprykin, Fata, Tkaczuk (Daniel - not Keith), Derek Morris, Gauthier, Dingman, Mattsson.

Wow. That is impressive. Do the Flames have Barry Fraser on speed dial in Mexico?

Let the Flames have four 1st round picks themselves - they will need all of them to find one viable NHLer.

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#87 RexLibris
March 28 2013, 10:32AM
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We should be sending Kiprusoff a gift basket. His removing himself from the trade market has actually created a market for Khabibulin.

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#88 Ogie Oilthorpe
March 28 2013, 11:38AM
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Whitney out of the line-up tonight? Hopefully on a plane.

Nevermind..

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#89 Chirp
March 27 2013, 01:01PM
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What is the consensus on Kyle Beach and his development?

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#90 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
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Hayek wrote:

A pretty balanced and informed argument which is nice to see.

I wouldn' trade Yakupov for Clarkson because this team isn't ready to compete for at least 2 years. It's kind of the equivelent of Toronto trading 2 firsts for Kessel. We have Yakupov, who is only an RFA after his entry level deal. These players can get a ton of return as they mature. Selling Yakupov for Clarkson is selling low, and buying high....and all at a time where we are not ready to compete.

That's why I am not a fan of trading young talent for older players at this stage.

Are you talking about the same Toronto Maple Leafs that are solidly in 6th in the eastern conference and 9 points ahead of the Oilers in the standings?

Looks like the Kessel trade isn't working out too badly for them.

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#91 tileguy
March 27 2013, 01:07PM
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We just need to stay patient for a few more months. If we have to make a trade, make it spare parts for picks. The landscape in the NHL has change because of thenew CBA, there will be some talent available this summer. Play the virtual trade game here if you must, but hold the booing, grin and bear it for a few more months. Katzs' chequebook will do the talking this summer.

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#93 Mantastic
March 27 2013, 01:12PM
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during the summer i hope we can go after Yandle. Hemmer+ or Eberle/Yakupov

also i would rather have Simmonds than Clarkson any day of the week

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#94 scoob
March 27 2013, 01:14PM
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Khabibulin is there for Yakupov. You need a Russian in the room to bring him along and so he can talk in his own language. I would keep him for his 1.8 million. He has adapted to his role as a backup and Dubynk is still fairly inexperienced. He has also has a ring on his finger which most of the other oilers don't.

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#95 Ogie Oilthorpe
March 27 2013, 01:15PM
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I love that Gregor is actually posing the tough questions. I see constant comments here about lets move Jones+Whitney for Horton, or lets give them MPS+Whitney+Jones+Teubert for Dustin Brown, and can hardly contain my laughter. There are some vets we could move for picks, but those picks aquired should be used to sweeten up the trade pot when management finds their effin phone and decides to fill some needs.

It is going to be tough to part with any of the young guns, but I agree that is has to happen. I hope its not Yak, I think his upside potential is very high. But trading Gags and Hemmer in the offseason coupled with a couple picks (I would even be up for a first unless there is a chance at Jones) for a solid top 4 d-man and a power forward would improve the ability for the team to compete. Well written article Jason, I think it was a very good assessment of the situation.

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#96 Hammers
March 27 2013, 01:15PM
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Jason . Couple of exceptions to your blog . If they let Magnus go there nuts a 20 year old over 6' & 200lbs that they should sign for $2-2.5 mill. Not $5 or $6 mil. Agree that you must give to get but a package of say Hemsky/ Marachin ( I like both ) for a top "D" or big winger should be possible . Thet also need to buy out Belanger & Eager say goodby to Petrell, Hordichuck and Tuebert & Plante .Part of what's needed is a change of character in the room . Last is a decision on Ryan Smyth ??? . Agree on Whit , Jones , Habby .

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#97 Carlos Danger
March 27 2013, 01:15PM
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Are there any D-men that are probable candidates for being bought out this summer? And would we want any of them?

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#98 BingBong
March 27 2013, 01:15PM
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If Dubnyk is our starter next year - and he will be - then we need a reliable backup who can play between 20-30 games. Or maybe even a young backup who can seriously challenge for the starter role if Dubnyk falters. With Khabbi's injury history and age, he's neither of those, and thus should not be re-signed.

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#99 Hunter5
March 27 2013, 01:16PM
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When the rhetoric matches the fashion. The sport coat with the hat. Everything is much clearer now, it makes sense. Maybe just maybe he's the Cat in the Hat.

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#100 Oil Kings 'n' Pretty Things
March 27 2013, 01:17PM
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westcoastoil wrote:

Umm I think it's safe to say that Boston got the better end of that deal.

You're missing my point.

If the season ended today, Toronto's in the playoffs and the Oilers aren't. If you want to find an example of a team trading futures for "win now" and falling flat on their face, you have to look elsewhere.

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