TRADE WINDS....

Jason Gregor
March 27 2013 12:45PM

The 2013 NHL trade deadline is next Wednesday at 1 p.m. MST, and the next week will be great for those who love trade rumours. One rumour got squashed yesterday when it was reported that Mikka Kiprusoff would not report to his new team if the Calgary Flames traded him, which of course was met by laughter amongst Edmonton fans.

Thankfully there are many other rumblings, rumours and potential deals floating around.

What will the Oilers do?

Nikolai Khabibulin made Doug Maclean's suggestion that he could fetch a 2nd rounder seem realistic after his 43-save performance last night.

The tougher question is are the Oilers better off having Khabibulin as a $1.2 million back up next year, or moving him for a draft pick?

So let's look at some of the options the Oilers have to trade. These thoughts are a combination of my views as well as what I've heard and read as far as pros and cons for each player from pundits and fans. I don't agree or disagree with all of them, but respect the differing views.

KHABIBULIN

  • Would he want to play for $1.2 million?
  • He turns 41next January, and age catches up with most players.
  • Unreliable due to injuries.
  • His history of injuries is the main concern. The interesting thing about Khabibulin is that he works incredibly hard to stay in shape. He's in really good shape, but you wonder if his body is breaking down. Maybe he pushes too hard, because he seems to tweak something every few weeks.
  • When he plays he's played very well. In six starts he has a sparkling 1.93 GAA and a .941SV%. Those numbers are unattainable over a long period, but we've seen that when he plays he can still win games.
  • He works well with Dubnyk. They have a healthy and respectful relationship.
  • I don't see the Oilers being able to overhaul the blueline in one summer. It would require three solid moves, and while it is possible, I'm not sure it is realistic. If the Oilers don't land highly touted college prospect Danny Dekeyser (who is good, but far from a saviour or lock to be a top-four), and another D-man via a trade of UFA signing (weak pool) then their D won't be much better next year and they will need a reliable back up.

RYAN WHITNEY

  • The free agent list isn't very good, especially for D-men under the age of 30.
  • Justin Schultz would be the only excellent puck mover remaining. The Oilers need D-men who can move the puck quickly and accurately to their skilled forwards.
  • The Oilers recent history of signing UFAs to come into Edmonton isn't great. There is no guarantee they will find a better replacement. There is also a good chance Whitney performs well in another environment. Being comfortable and feeling confident is a huge factor in how a player performs on the ice.
  • The advanced stats show he's struggled.
  • He will never be able to turn due to his surgeries.
  • It is clear the coaching staff doesn't have a lot of confidence in him. When that happens, usually it is hard to change it. If a player is worried about making a mistake and getting benched, usually they make more mistakes.

RYAN JONES

  • For a team that struggles to score ES, at least he can score 5-on-5.
  • He goes to the net regularly and scores garbage goals. Oilers don't have a lot of guys like that.
  • Jones is a complimentary player. He won't be a key cog in winning, but he's shown the ability to produce. While surrendering scoring chances doesn't look good on paper, scoring goals trumps that.
  • He is on the ice for way too many scoring chances against.
  • Teemu Hartikainen is bigger and can replace him.
  • He isn't physical enough on a team that desperately needs some guys who are harder to play against. He's a solid NHLer, but if needed they can find a veteran UFA to replace him.

I suspect those three would make garner the most interest, amongst players the Oilers would consider trading.

There are some other names that have been tossed around for the Oilers...

Ladislav Smid

  • I think the Oilers would be foolish to deal him. I outlined the available free agent D-men yesterday, and no one on that list looks like a potential upgrade to Smid. Smid knows his role and he's good at it. He plays hard and is the most physical D-man who plays every night. I still believe the Oilers and Smid will come to an agreement prior to April 3rd. If they don't we can chat about then after the 3rd.

Ales Hemsky

  • If you trade him at the deadline you are likely only getting picks and prospects in return. At this point in the rebuild the Oilers need to move him in a deal where you get a proven NHL player back in return rather than picks. He's played much better now that his shoulder issues are behind him and I suspect there would be more interest in the summer.

Sam Gagner

  • Gagner has been the lightning rod for years in Edmonton. He's had a great start to the season and will get a raise on his current $3.2 million contract this summer. His trade value is much higher now than it was last year, so the return would be better. Gagner is very popular in the dressing room, he has worked hard at improving his game and no one questions his desire. I don't see any reason to move him at the deadline, and if he they consider moving him in the summer they have to get a solid D-man of big, skilled forward in return. I don't trade Gagner for anything less than a proven player.

LOOKING AHEAD

No one knows what the future holds, but at some point the results have to match the "potential"and "patience" that has been talked about for years in Edmonton.

For me there is one obvious conclusion coming for the Edmonton Oilers. They won't be able to move forward with all six of their young 19-23 year-old forwards. They don't have the right combination of size, skill and sandpaper needed to succeed in the NHL. That doesn't mean they all won't be successful NHL players, it just means I don't see all of them developing with the Oilers.

Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle will make $6 million next year. Gagner is in line for a raise that will put him close to $5 million next year and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins likely gets a contract similar to Hall and Eberle starting in 2014.

The Oilers still haven't found a recipe to win, and when they do they won't be able to afford all of their young stars, even if you believe they can win with six skilled forwards.

The Oilers need to get some size down the middle, improve their blueline and get some productive veterans into their lineup. The issue is many think they can do this without trading any of their young skilled players. Reality check, that isn't going to be possible.

The way I see it the Oilers will end up moving two, maybe three players amongst Hemsky, Gagner, Magnus Paajarvi and Nail Yakupov. You might not like that reality, but I don't see any other way this team will be able to improve and afford their lineup if they don't make those types of moves.

There is a good chance that the Oilers trade those guys and they put up decent numbers on another team, and likely more than the players coming to Edmonton, but that doesn't mean the Oilers will lose those trades. If they acquire a strong, steady defenceman for one of them that makes them more competitive.

If they acquire a skilled forward who plays physical, scores, is a good puck retriever and goes to the net that will make them better. The Oilers will still have three very good skilled players remaining, in Hall, RNH and Eberle and one or two of 64, 89, 91 and 83.

You can't expect the Oilers to have six forwards score 55+ points regularly. It just doesn't happen in today's game. You need a good mix in your lineup. You need some some skilled players with size and grit. Suggesting you don't doesn't jive with teams that win championships.

Here are the top scorers, with at least 34 points, of the last four Cup winners: 

LOS ANGELES          
Player  Pos  GP  G  A  P
Anze Kopitar C 82 25 51 76
Justin Williams R 82 22 37 59
Dustin Brown R 82 22 32 54
Mike Richards C 74 18 26 44
Drew Doughty D 77 10 26 36
Jeff Carter L 55 21 13 34
           
BOSTON          
Player  Pos GP  G  A  P
Milan Lucic L 79 30 32 62
David Krejci C 75 13 49 62
Patrice Bergeron C 80 22 35 57
Nathan Horton R 80 26 27 53
Mark Recchi R 81 14 34 48
Tomas Kaberle D 82 4 43 47
Zdeno Chara D 81 14 30 44
Brad Marchand L 77 21 20 41
Rich Peverley C 82 18 23 41
Michael Ryder R 79 18 23 41
           
CHICAGO Pos GP  G  A  P
Patrick Kane R 82 30 58 88
Duncan Keith D 82 14 55 69
Jonathan Toews C 76 25 43 68
Patrick Sharp L 82 25 41 66
Marian Hossa R 57 24 27 51
Kris Versteeg R 79 20 24 44
Troy Brouwer R 78 22 18 40
Andrew Ladd L 82 17 21 38
Brian Campbell D 68 7 31 38
           
PITTSBURGH          
Evgeni Malkin C 82 35 78 113
Sidney Crosby C 77 33 70 103
Chris Kunitz L 82 23 30 53
Jordan Staal C 82 22 27 49
Bill Guerin R 78 21 27 48
Petr Sykora R 76 25 21 46
Ruslan Fedotenko L 65 16 23 39
Miroslav Satan R 65 17 19 36
Tyler Kennedy C 67 15 20 35

Do you honestly believe the Oilers top-six resembles any of those teams?

The reality is the Oilers will need to move some of their skilled forwards.

The difficult question will be when and who?

THINKING OUTLOUD...

Yesterday on my radio show, I asked Jason Strudwick if he'd deal Nail Yakupov for David Clarkson. Of course the deal would hinge on Clarkson having a new contract and the Oilers getting something else in return. It wasn't a one-for-one deal.

The point of the question was to point out  that the Oilers will need to trade away a skilled player; one who likely will produce points elsewhere. (Yakupov was just an example. Not saying he is the 1st one I'd trade) And by trading one or two of them away, that doesn't mean they are bad players. It just means the Oilers need to alter their lineup to become more successful.

The difficult decision for the Oilers GM, whoever that is when the time comes to trade one of them, is making the right move. The move won't be made solely on statistics. They will have to look at other things: contracts, attitude, competitive nature, size, etc.

It won't be easy, but it you believe it won't happen I think you are fooling yourself.

The reactions to the Clarkson topic ranged from "You're an idiot," to "Yakupov could be like Stamkos."

Both made me chuckle, but the latter really stuck with me. Stamkos is the best goal scorer in the game, so of course it is realistic to compare Yakupov to him because they were both #1 picks and because Yakupov has a good one-timer. I hope for Yakupov's sake he becomes like Stamkos, but Stamkos has more to his game than a great one-timer. Stamkos has incredibly high hockey sense, and he's excellent at anticipating where the openings are in the offensive zone to get himself in good scoring areas.

Yakupov might become a very good scorer, but suggesting he'll be like Stamkos is the ultimate best-case scenario. It is unlikely, however. Just like it is unlikely that the first overall picks taken between Stamkos and Yakupov, John Tavares, Hall and RNH, will score as often as Stamkos.

Many people want the Oilers to acquire good players, but they aren't willing to give up anything of substance. Instead they want to offer up spare parts, usually players you feel are junk, to get players like Clarkson, Lucic, Clowe or others.  

If the Oilers are going to improve moving forward they will eventually need to change the mix amongst their top forwards. It will be a difficult decision, and the organization has to ensure they have the right guy calling the shots. Based on recent decisions, it is fair to question whether the current regime is prepared and able to make the right choice.

This type of trade will occur in the near future, and when it does, the Oilers must make the correct decision and they need the right man calling the shots.

RECENTLY BY JASON GREGOR

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#151 The Oilers Shot Clock
March 27 2013, 04:42PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Show me where I said compare the Oilers to the Hawks. Actually I included players who had 35 points to show it is rare for teams to even have 4 guys score 50.

Bolland is an excellent two-way player. Size has nothing to do with it. Suggesting Gagner plays like Bolland is completely inaccurate. The Oilers mix isn't just size. It is a lack of defensive awareness.

Hossa is a heavy player. Ask NHL D-men he's incredibly hard to play against. He also was 30 and a veteran. And you didn't include Patrick Sharp in their top-six? He had 66 points playing on the 3rd line? Wow that is the best 3rd liner in recent history.

And Sharp and Hossa were veterans, and the rest were all mid 20s...except Toews and Kane.

The Oilers are all kids and is a major factor. They don't have the gamesmanship or experience needed to win.

The Oilers are not built, and won't be in four years, to win with all kids. Age, size, maturity, style of play are the reasons. You don't have to like it, but if you don't see the differences between the Oilers and the makeup of the championship teams then you are watching more with your heart.

Then you can add in the salary cap factor and how the ELC deals will all be done in two years. Another major hurdle.

100% Theres nothing wrong with trading a good player for another good player if it fills a need. Im as attached to these kids as the next guy but at least one will have to move and I dont understand how thats a bad thing. Our bottom 6 is a disaster and our options on defense are too limited. Trading a kid to sort some of this is both wise in the short term and years down the road.

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#152 BigE91
March 27 2013, 04:50PM
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What's needed in the top 6 is someone in the mold of Bill Guerin. Hard nosed, heavy game with 30 goal potential. Maybe I missing them but I just don't see many of that type of player around the league right now.

Maybe Ryan O'Reilly but he's not moving for a year now.

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#153 washed up
March 27 2013, 05:03PM
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The olny player's I would't listen to offers for are, Hall, RNH, and Schultz. Everyone else is fair play.

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#154 hunkybill
March 27 2013, 05:06PM
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RNH production is down. How about trade him for Joe Thornton and first rounder.

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#155 WinterNightSky
March 27 2013, 05:08PM
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justDOit wrote:

Can you remember what the Oilers got back in return for Satan? I can't.

Craig Millar and Len Barrie. That was super awesome.

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#156 Shredder
March 27 2013, 05:13PM
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So Gregor, feeling a bit defensive for the Clarkson trade suggestion are we? I don't know that we needed a whole other blog to go over this point.

So you want to switch up the skill players for grit and/or defense. I can do that. Clarkson for Yakupov in no way makes sense. What you add to that, go ahead and suggest it. I see Yakupov, as the #1 overall pick, and proving to be worth that pick, being as equal value as one of the top young defensemen in the game. Yes there's a risk he doesn't pan out, but there's also a lot more time on his RFA status that pretty much everyone in the league. That's going to be worth more than you think when the new cap kicks in.

IMO Eberle, Hall, Nuge, Yakupov are the most important pieces of this rebuild. Ideally we can keep Gagner and MPS as well. Schultz(19) is probably a very important player to build a blue line, and we'll need to keep guys like Smid for this team to really work.

I guess the point I'm making is that if you do sell a young guy, who is a big part of the core of the team, you better be able to fill all the holes on the team, not just one. Thornton got 3 role players for one skill player. And still the Bruins looked stupid for that trade. And you'd give up Yak for less? That's where I had an issue.

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#157 The Soup Fascist
March 27 2013, 05:13PM
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WinterNightSky wrote:

Craig Millar and Len Barrie. That was super awesome.

You had the "Barrie" part right but it was Barrie Moore not Len Barrie. Len Barrie may have actually played a season or two in the NHL - Barrie Moore - not so much.

But allegedly Mr. Moore was much better at paying casinos, taxes and business partners than Mr. Barrie ....... But that is another story.

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#158 BigE91
March 27 2013, 05:16PM
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BRHLBryce wrote:

If any of the big 5 (Hall-Ebs-Nuge-Yak-Schultz) has to be traded, you would want to trade the least dynamic of the group. Looking 2-3 years down the road when the contracts are the concern, it HAS to be Eberle that is moved.

I love Ebs, but lets face it, the upside of everyone else on that list surpasses Eberle, and will be more valuable to us in the longterm. Add in his sp% regression to the norm, and Eberle is probably overpaid on his extension.

If Ebs is traded to get us that top pairing dman, or big bodied top 6 forward, it would make sense.

That being said, with tambo at the help, I am sure we deal Whitney and Jones for picks, and stand pat, yet again.

Come again? You're going to move the guy that has been compared to Joe Sakic in terms of skill set and hockey sense?

Personally, I can't say which one I'd move. To me Schultz will likely become the cornerstone if he lives up to his potential. Hall can be that power forward and I think the jury is out on RNH and Yakupov. Though if RNH's offense catches up with his defensive game he will be hard to move.

Right now Yakupov is the wild card. He hasn't played himself into a top 6 role YET but he may soon and that will make the decision making process much tougher for the Oilers middling upper management.

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#159 BRHLBryce
March 27 2013, 05:17PM
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take a shot at Tyler Myers at 5.5 million? You could get him relatively cheap from Buffalo (as in PRV gets a quick yes), he has 8 years at 5.5 left, which is brutal if he plays like he has this year. But if he rebounds, and plays like he did the first 3 years? There's your top pairing young, monster dman.

If he doesn't is management willing to use a compliance buyout on him down the road?

Unfortunately, that outside the box thinking is not prevalent. I guess we wait till Tambo gets fired and see what MacT does

FTNF

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#160 T__Bone88
March 27 2013, 05:18PM
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Maybe a possible Yakupov for James Neal in the summer might work out as a trade? I believe some report was saying that Pittsburgh is loading up for this year because in the next few years might run into cap issues especially with Malkin and Letang coming up for resigning in 2014. So basically it would allow Pittsburgh to free up some cap room and still have a potential 40 goal/80 point player in Yakupov that would look good with Crosby/Malkin. Oilers would get a bigger player in Neal.

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#161 BRHLBryce
March 27 2013, 05:20PM
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How does who he's been compared to (rightly or wrongly) have any effect on what his longterm ability is?

Again, I like Eberle, but of the big 5? He's the most expendable, since he doesn't have nearly the ceiling that the others do. His skating will never be great, he isn't big, and has no physical game at all.

As far as Sakic, as someone living in Denver, if anyone is Sakic like, it's the Nuge.

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#162 washed up
March 27 2013, 05:23PM
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T__Bone88 wrote:

Maybe a possible Yakupov for James Neal in the summer might work out as a trade? I believe some report was saying that Pittsburgh is loading up for this year because in the next few years might run into cap issues especially with Malkin and Letang coming up for resigning in 2014. So basically it would allow Pittsburgh to free up some cap room and still have a potential 40 goal/80 point player in Yakupov that would look good with Crosby/Malkin. Oilers would get a bigger player in Neal.

I Agree. That's one of the big adavatages that Yakapov has. He's cheap. For the next few years anyway. That's a big asset when talking trades in this cap era.

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#163 Ducey
March 27 2013, 05:40PM
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BRHLBryce wrote:

How does who he's been compared to (rightly or wrongly) have any effect on what his longterm ability is?

Again, I like Eberle, but of the big 5? He's the most expendable, since he doesn't have nearly the ceiling that the others do. His skating will never be great, he isn't big, and has no physical game at all.

As far as Sakic, as someone living in Denver, if anyone is Sakic like, it's the Nuge.

Eberle has already established a 76 point season.

He is a pure sniper.

Guys like him always get overlooked. See Luke Robitaille, Joey Mullen etc.

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#164 justDOit
March 27 2013, 05:49PM
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LeBrun said today that he wouldn't be surprised to see J Jokinen moved soon, but either Carolina keeps some salary, or takes back a player on the deal. Eager for JJ sounds about right then, if the Oilers can take his $3M salary next season - I don't claim to have enough time to delve into any team's cap management strategies.

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#165 seanjohn
March 27 2013, 06:10PM
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@TigerUnderGlass

Yak for the Buf? in a f--king heartbeat. are you kidding me? you guys have to get over your fascination with what you percieve as 'skill'. you do not need or want 6 or 7 danglers on one team. 4 is about right. Hall/RNH/Ebs + one more is enough. trade the other danglers for different types of skill. I'd trade Yak for Lucic just as fast. too many people look at the player and think 'he could be a 40 goal scorer' without considering team needs and surpluses. Yak could probably net 2 or 3 very needed players.

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#166 Chet134
March 27 2013, 06:22PM
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I have the same mind set of management. Raise tickets prices and concessions up 5 to 10 per cent, put two or three more new rookies in the squad, resign smitty and horkoff to 5 year contracts, resign smid whitney fistric and gagner and don't bring in any other players. Hold on crickets crickets from managements office. We can keep bashing other organizations on how poorly they run there team but WE ARE THE JOKE OF LEAGUE. Great supportive fans but the worst run club. Down with the evil empire.

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#167 Oilerfan4ever
March 27 2013, 06:32PM
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JG, I couldn't agree more with your article. The truth is the Oilers have a great nucleus to build from but they are missing that size,toughness and grit that will make them a playoff and potential stanley cup contender in years to come!

I just don't think under the current regime of ST,KL and Co. that they have the ability to make such moves..........I don't know how as fans we can see there are pieces missing and they working from the inside cannot make the connection.

As always the frustration builds. Serenity now, serenity now!!

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#168 DSF
March 27 2013, 06:44PM
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Here we go.

Iginla a healthy scratch tonight.

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#169 GVBlackhawk
March 27 2013, 07:01PM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

How old do you think you average reader is? 10? 11?

First and foremost, you're trade proposal is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is the fact that you just won't admit that is is a stupid idea to begin with.

If I was to consider your reasoning as truth, I would conclude that you never had a point to begin with. I can understand how some people would miss the point, and have you accuse them of that: it is very easy to do when no point exist in the first place.

You say that Oilers will need to get one of their young guns, I agree. Then, you don't include Gagner in your list(obvious choice) and go on to call him a lightning rod. Laughable.

If you were trying to make the point and come up with a scenario; why did you only come up with that asinine one? Why only consider Yakupov? Why not something more reasonable, like Gagner? Or for someone who might actually be available instead of Clarkson?

Jones good at 5v5. Again, laughable. He has one goal all in 14 games. Whattathreat.!.. The only thing softer than Jones on the ice during the game is Smyth's shots. Jones was a flash in the pan, at best.

No doubt. Ryan Jones is awful 5v5. The only thing he is good at is falling down.

Have a look at the Blues game from yesterday. Jones has the ultimate 'Jones' shift in the second period where he falls down three times. The third time, at 5:27 of the second period, he falls wildly and looks like Bambi doing it. Then he gets up, skates to the bench, and gets ROCKED. It's comical to watch him.

He skates around and does nothing, but because he is trying so hard, some people think he is good/effective.

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#170 Wax Man Riley
March 27 2013, 07:04PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

I am shocked that you have to ask that question.

Yakupov projects to be a better player because he was putting up the same numbers at age 17 that Eberle was doing at age 20. Their age by age comps all favor Yakupov -- and it isn't even close.

Yakupov's skill set is at a higher level than Eberle's (if not everyone on the Oilers). Better shot, better skater, better passer, better vision. There is a reason why he was coveted as the 1st overall pick.

Eberle stepped into the NHL in his 21 year old season and did well on a sheltered line with cherry minutes. In his 22 year old season, he played lights out on a sheltered line with cherry minutes and an incredibly high shooting percentage. He is regressing now that he has to face tougher competition.

Yakupov is playing NHL in his 19 year old season, not playing sheltered minutes and doesn't receive the power play time that Eberle did in his rookie year.

Regarding the 'consistency of effort' comment, that is difficult to quantify, which is why I said 'by eye'. From what I have observed, Yakupov will engage the body at any time. Eberle rarely engages physically. Yakupov is also more inclined to backcheck and make a defensive play (versus Eberle in his rookie season).

Yakupov is the better player. Ignoring this is just blatant western Canadian homerism (and I was born and raised in Saskatchewan).

Is the question "Who is the better player?" or "Who projects to be better throughout their career?"

If it is "Who is the better player?", then an additional question is "Who would you rather have on the ice with 1min to go?"

Eberle..... all day long. Eberle is the better player today.

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#171 Clyde Frog
March 27 2013, 07:07PM
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So, if Calgary has a firesale; who is interested in Glencross?

Seems like he would be an excellent (Hopefully cheapish) addition to a top 6..

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#172 Citizen David
March 27 2013, 07:14PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

I am shocked that you have to ask that question.

Yakupov projects to be a better player because he was putting up the same numbers at age 17 that Eberle was doing at age 20. Their age by age comps all favor Yakupov -- and it isn't even close.

Yakupov's skill set is at a higher level than Eberle's (if not everyone on the Oilers). Better shot, better skater, better passer, better vision. There is a reason why he was coveted as the 1st overall pick.

Eberle stepped into the NHL in his 21 year old season and did well on a sheltered line with cherry minutes. In his 22 year old season, he played lights out on a sheltered line with cherry minutes and an incredibly high shooting percentage. He is regressing now that he has to face tougher competition.

Yakupov is playing NHL in his 19 year old season, not playing sheltered minutes and doesn't receive the power play time that Eberle did in his rookie year.

Regarding the 'consistency of effort' comment, that is difficult to quantify, which is why I said 'by eye'. From what I have observed, Yakupov will engage the body at any time. Eberle rarely engages physically. Yakupov is also more inclined to backcheck and make a defensive play (versus Eberle in his rookie season).

Yakupov is the better player. Ignoring this is just blatant western Canadian homerism (and I was born and raised in Saskatchewan).

props props PROPS!

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#173 Citizen David
March 27 2013, 07:16PM
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DSF wrote:

Here we go.

Iginla a healthy scratch tonight.

Got a prediction on who he's going to?

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#174 Oilfred
March 27 2013, 07:19PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Zack,

In five years you think the Oilers will be able to afford 4,14,93,89,64, 91, Schultz and this year's top pick?

And that they will win with all skilled forwards, with not much size?

How do you see the Oilers getting bigger in their top-six and wearing down teams, if you don't move any of the current players. I don't see them suddenly growing and getting bigger.

And I never said the deal happens today, but they will happen in the next two years.

I don't know man. Hall is already a beast and we will be talking about him like we do Hossa soon. PRV is doing Power forward thing more and getting quite good at it.

You say that teams can't win with just skill but when was the last time a team tried with this kind of talent?

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#175 The Oilers Shot Clock
March 27 2013, 07:22PM
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Got a prediction on who he's going to?

Gotta be Boston right? Maybe Montreal...

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#176 vetinari
March 27 2013, 07:25PM
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Frankly, I just hope that our GM doesn't waste the better part of the kid's ELCs before picking up the missing pieces to help them succeed, but the economics of the new NHL means that within the next few years one of the kids will have to probably be moved. Of course, within the next year to three, I know that Khabibulin, Whitney and Sutton will be off the books and most likely, Horcoff and Hemsky.

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#177 DSF
March 27 2013, 07:26PM
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Got a prediction on who he's going to?

Just a hunch.

Pittsburgh.

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#178 DSF
March 27 2013, 07:29PM
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Frankly, I just hope that our GM doesn't waste the better part of the kid's ELCs before picking up the missing pieces to help them succeed, but the economics of the new NHL means that within the next few years one of the kids will have to probably be moved. Of course, within the next year to three, I know that Khabibulin, Whitney and Sutton will be off the books and most likely, Horcoff and Hemsky.

All those players need to replaced.

Any cap savings will be eaten up by the kids.

And the team isn't close to good enough.

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#179 Citizen David
March 27 2013, 07:30PM
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Just a hunch.

Pittsburgh.

That would be quite a cup run load up. I figured since they got Morrow they wouldn't go after Iginla but they would look unstoppable of they got him. Who would they give up for him though? 1st round pick + Pouliot + roster player?

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#180 Citizen David
March 27 2013, 07:31PM
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Gotta be Boston right? Maybe Montreal...

I don't think he'd accept going to Montreal. But I would love it if he did.

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#181 DSF
March 27 2013, 07:35PM
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That would be quite a cup run load up. I figured since they got Morrow they wouldn't go after Iginla but they would look unstoppable of they got him. Who would they give up for him though? 1st round pick + Pouliot + roster player?

Pittsburgh is going all in.

1st, Bennett and Pouliot?

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#182 Citizen David
March 27 2013, 07:53PM
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Pittsburgh is going all in.

1st, Bennett and Pouliot?

That would be going all in. We wait.

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#183 Bucknuck
March 27 2013, 07:58PM
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Apparently it's Boston.

Can you say "stacked team". I think they want the cup back.

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#184 NewAgeSys
March 27 2013, 08:55PM
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At what point do we stop saying Gagner is a kid?! Next season he'll be 24 years old and it be his 7th season. Sounds sort of veteran like... Or do veterans have to be 35, decrepit and useless before we must acquire them for their "experience"

Hall and Eberle will be entering their fourth year. Eberle's barely younger than Gagner.

Hall's a beast who can take the physical play, Nuge is 6'1 and defensively responsible, Yak throws hits, oozes passion. Gagner's got a fire in him. NHL.com has him listed as the same size as Mike Richards too... Paajarvi has lots of size, good defense, learning to use his size more and more. The problem isn't size (overrated) and it isn't heart, we have lots of that. It's youth. And youth becomes not youth. I think this is a fantastic core to keep. Each year they will get better. Gagner's playing the PK now too. If the cap starts to go up again then we will be able to afford them all for the next 6-7 years until their second contracts come up.

Trading Yakupov is quite simply silly.

You have an excellent read on the roster and its potential, congratulations.

I agree with every single thing you posted 100%.

I will add that it is beyond negligent to even suggest tradeing Yakupov.

I believe that we will dump as many contracts and players as we can before the deadline and make a decisive move to retool our 3rd line.

Goaltending is an issue as well, Dubby is still evolving but hes not a Rookie anymore and we need to see more out of him, he is doing ok but we are seeing a bad tendancy to forget and drop at the wrong times and several teams have already targeted this weakness systemwise and had sucess against us doing it

Whitney believe it or not has evolved his game in the last six games, he has turned a corner and we now need him its ironic but once he got it he really got it and has done much better lately and looks like he is proving it was a communication issue systemwise not him as an individual.

The Coyotes want Gagner really bad because they recognise his vision and ability to run a system like they have there,and now is the best time for the Oilers to deal him if the Yotes will cough up Yandle, we wont have to give them MPS now that Gags has evolved offensively.

Bowmeister is definately a Cup type of player and we need him badly as well but would need to be creative to land him, I am sure the Managment is looking at him.

I still think Luongo is heading here for Whitney and Hemmer.

We seem to have Klefbom and Deshay-whatever on the horizon to add to J Schultz and Petry and Smid, if we land either BowMeister or Yandle or both and can pick up Luongo we are suddenly a playoff team if we can get the 3rd line re-tooled.

I dont endorse or subscribe in any way to any of these trades listed, I am simply generating an educated guess as to how the Round Table might view things with their group mindset.

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#185 outdoorzguy
March 27 2013, 09:49PM
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Has anyone considered maybe we should trade Dubnyk and keep Khabibulin?

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#186 @Oilanderp
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I agree that we need to tinker with the team makeup but I have one question. If the Oilers were unwilling to trade their first round pick since it was much too valuable to give up, why would they do it now that it has become an actual person?

Trade this year's pick. No? It would be too high? But you'd still trade a #1 overall pick?

P.S. Yakupov broke Eberle's finger WITH A HALF WRISTER. See Oil Change. Can you imagine what this kid can do with a full wind-up wrister or god forbid a slap shot?

No, you don't trade Yak. No, no, no, no no no.

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#187 DSF
March 27 2013, 10:36PM
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It's official.

Iginla to Boston for a first rounder and two young players.

Next up...Jaybo to Detroit for another first rounder a young defenseman and Riley Sheehan.

Instant rebuild.

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#188 vetinari
March 27 2013, 10:41PM
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Bye-bye Iginla and good luck in Beantown... looks like Calgary has finally decided to enter rebuilt mode... we'll leave you some breadcrumbs to follow.

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#189 DSF
March 27 2013, 10:43PM
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vetinari wrote:

Bye-bye Iginla and good luck in Beantown... looks like Calgary has finally decided to enter rebuilt mode... we'll leave you some breadcrumbs to follow.

If they can convince Kiprusoff to move and can get another first round pick that would make four.

An interesting draft.

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#190 The Soup Fascist
March 27 2013, 10:47PM
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It's official.

Iginla to Boston for a first rounder and two young players.

Next up...Jaybo to Detroit for another first rounder a young defenseman and Riley Sheehan.

Instant rebuild.

I hope you are kidding. The Oilers are not exactly building a better mousetrap here, but adding three sleds and a couple draft picks are not going to fix the mess that is the Flames.

Good Luck to Iggy. Class act all the way. Will be cheering for the B's.

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#191 Harry Crack
March 27 2013, 10:49PM
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If they can convince Kiprusoff to move and can get another first round pick that would make four.

An interesting draft.

Kipper told all Flames Brass years back that he would not be playing the last year of his deal.It sucks for never miss a Feaster now , but no foul on Kippers part. He is not a trade asset. It sucks for my Team , but its true. Another cow pattie Duhryl left for Jumbo Jay to walk through.

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#192 sephf
March 27 2013, 10:51PM
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I think the Stamkos comparison also comes from the fact that they both played for the Sarnia Sting and both put up strikingly similar PPG / GPG totals in junior. Not saying he'll ever be on that level but I definitely think he has all the tools to be the best goal scorer on the Oilers.

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#193 Harry Crack
March 27 2013, 10:52PM
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I hope you are kidding. The Oilers are not exactly building a better mousetrap here, but adding three sleds and a couple draft picks are not going to fix the mess that is the Flames.

Good Luck to Iggy. Class act all the way. Will be cheering for the B's.

Agree on all counts. Iggy all class all round. as for the wisdom of the deal....what part of interfering Owner Edwards , and Meathead Ken King management past should allow for hope of intelligence now ?

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#194 DSF
March 27 2013, 10:56PM
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I hope you are kidding. The Oilers are not exactly building a better mousetrap here, but adding three sleds and a couple draft picks are not going to fix the mess that is the Flames.

Good Luck to Iggy. Class act all the way. Will be cheering for the B's.

Watch.

It doesn't need to take 7 years to build a team that can't come close to the playoffs.

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#195 The Soup Fascist
March 27 2013, 10:59PM
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Agree on all counts. Iggy all class all round. as for the wisdom of the deal....what part of interfering Owner Edwards , and Meathead Ken King management past should allow for hope of intelligence now ?

I feel your pain but at least as an owner, Edwards will likely not let incompetent management (see O''Reilly debacle) continue on unfettered - unlike another unnamed NHL team in Alberta.

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#196 The Soup Fascist
March 27 2013, 11:06PM
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Watch.

It doesn't need to take 7 years to build a team that can't come close to the playoffs.

Maybe. But I don't see this being a quick fix. Their draft record in the first round has killed them. They were going "off the board" with one pick. What will they do with multiple picks? Chris Chucko 2.0? Plus the Iggy pick is conditional on him re-signing, which is no slam dunk.

If his turns out to be Iggy for an AHL Dman and some future KHLer ........ YIKES.

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#197 Rocket
March 27 2013, 11:09PM
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Watch.

It doesn't need to take 7 years to build a team that can't come close to the playoffs.

Agreed.

I don't know much about Bartkowski or Alexander Khokhlachev. Was Khokhlachev on the Russian WJHC team? My hazy memory has him getting ejected from a game against Canada for a dirty hit. I could be incorrect though so I'm not sure.

Anyway, Not a bad trade & I can't wait to see Boston play Pittsburgh in the playoffs now.

Iggy vs. Morrow!

(Also Crosby vs. Chara)

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#198 DSF
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Maybe. But I don't see this being a quick fix. Their draft record in the first round has killed them. They were going "off the board" with one pick. What will they do with multiple picks? Chris Chucko 2.0? Plus the Iggy pick is conditional on him re-signing, which is no slam dunk.

If his turns out to be Iggy for an AHL Dman and some future KHLer ........ YIKES.

If this is all they do...you would be right. But it won't be.

With the cap dropping, this is an ideal time to clear cap space because so many decent players will be available.

How bout them Wild:)

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#199 Rocket
March 27 2013, 11:10PM
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Maybe. But I don't see this being a quick fix. Their draft record in the first round has killed them. They were going "off the board" with one pick. What will they do with multiple picks? Chris Chucko 2.0? Plus the Iggy pick is conditional on him re-signing, which is no slam dunk.

If his turns out to be Iggy for an AHL Dman and some future KHLer ........ YIKES.

Yeah it's a little risky & I hope the Flames totally blow it but I don't see that happening.

Now I wonder about Kipper.

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#200 DSF
March 27 2013, 11:11PM
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Agreed.

I don't know much about Bartkowski or Alexander Khokhlachev. Was Khokhlachev on the Russian WJHC team? My hazy memory has him getting ejected from a game against Canada for a dirty hit. I could be incorrect though so I'm not sure.

Anyway, Not a bad trade & I can't wait to see Boston play Pittsburgh in the playoffs now.

Iggy vs. Morrow!

(Also Crosby vs. Chara)

The Russian projects as a second line centre...Bartkowski a 4-5 D.

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