DESTINATION BOSTON?

Lowetide
March 28 2013 10:49PM

 

The Edmonton Oilers have been connected to the Boston Bruins many times since 1979. Some very famous playoff series, a few trades of note and the two clubs have some executives in common over the years, too. This week, the two teams have been associated with trade talks involving names like Ryan Whitney and Ales Hemsky. 

Is there a match? What could Boston offer?

Watching the Bruins last night, it's pretty obvious they need some blueline help. Their top 4D is solid, led by state of the art defender Zdeno Chara and including veterans Dennis Seidenberg, Johnny Boychuk, Andrew Ference and the young and talented Dougie Hamilton. 

Whitney could slide right into the 5-6 role and help on special teams. Although he's not playing at pre-surgery levels, his competition for that job (Aaron Johnson, Adam McQuaid, Matt Bartkowski) isn't terribly stout and Whitney's a good bet to play in front of them.

If the Oilers deal Whitney (and they're playing well with Whitney playing big minutes), Boston could certainly use his talents.

WHAT CAN BOSTON OFFER?

Edmonton has a few things to gain in dealing Whitney. They could finally carry the normal 7 defensemen, and allow Theo Peckham out of the doghouse. They could also shave a few dollars off the payroll, always a nice item for the owner. And of course, there's the asset they get in return. That might be a draft pick, a prospect (the Oilers have a lot of graduating prospects, suspect they'd prefer one in Europe, college or junior).

  • D Matt Barkowski: AHL defender with average size, he was reportedly part of the package for Iginla. He wouldn't be a top 6 option in Edmonton any time soon (unless I'm missing something) and aside from being LH I don't think he has a lot of appeal for the Oilers.
  • R Jordan Caron: AHL winger, 6.03, 204, spent much of the 2010-11 season with the Bruins and is 81, 10-14-24 in his career with Boston. Caron's size and skill set make him an interesting possibility for next season, I could see him being a contender for bottom 6F duties in the fall. Someone to follow if the trade is made.
  • G Niklas Svedberg: Tall, stringbean goalie from Sweden has been outstanding in Providence, and frankly I think the Bruins are more likely to make their current NHL backup (Anton Khudobin) available before this fellow. Currently boasts a .923SP and should be considered an outstanding prospect based on his current season.

WHAT ABOUT DAN DEKYSER?

Trading Whitney for an asset who doesn't need to be added to the big league roster would allow the Oilers to add Dan DeKeyser to their roster without having to move anyone/risk waivers. DeKeyser is going to make his decision sometime in the next 24 hours (based on reports) so it's a consideration. The Oilers have made a presentation, and now they're waiting along with Detroit (considered the favorite) and a few other clubs. 

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Ryan Whitney can help the Boston Bruins, and I think there are players in Providence that could make the Oilers system stronger. There's also a certain logic in trading Whitney for a draft pick, and Boston may be in acquisition mode after the events last night.

There's also a growing feeling that the best destination for Ryan Whitney is Edmonton. If that's the case, the Oilers at the deadline could be quiet for the first time in years.

 

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#1 Jonathan Willis
March 28 2013, 11:35PM
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No Oilers defenceman is on the ice for a worse ratio of scoring chances for to against than Ryan Whitney.

Not even Corey Potter.

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#2 outdoorzguy
March 28 2013, 10:54PM
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I thought maybe we could unload Tambellini and Lowe on them (because these are the two idiots we really need to trade), but Chiarelli is much smarter than the idiots combined to make that deal!!

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#3 Bucknuck
March 28 2013, 11:10PM
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outdoorzguy wrote:

We don't have anything worth trading that would actually get us anything in return...thanks to our moronic management for getting us into that position.

Nothing worth trading? If I ever saw a post that screamed TROLL as loud as this one does, I don't remember it.

1st round draft pick is worth trading Hemsky, Whitney, Jones, Hartikainen, MPS. That's not mentioning the super six (Ebs, Hall, RNH, Gags, Yakupov, Schultz).

Nothing to trade? Yeah OK.~~~~~~

Consider yourself fed.

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#4 Jay
March 29 2013, 12:35AM
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Just the thought of resigning Whitney makes my stomach turn. Thought were trying to get better, not stay the same. As for whether trading him or not... I'd keep him for the year and let him walk for nothing. The depth on the blue line this year gives Krueger somthing to tinker with and we need to stay close to the race just for the experience. This is an important time. And even if we get a second for him, it won't be as important of a piece as this playoff race will be

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#5 106 and 106
March 29 2013, 08:42AM
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There's an Edmonton Oiler defensemen that other teams want, and he's been a black-hole for scoring chances against, and only going to falter with ankle age. Our PP only has one D-man, so it's no big deal with Schultz around. Get the deal done, Lambellini.

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#6 Mikey
March 29 2013, 09:21AM
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Please don't trade MPS. I would trade eberle over him as MPS brings something the others don't.

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#7 Quicksilver ballet
March 29 2013, 11:48AM
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To even include the names Hemsky and Paajarvi without something tangible coming back the other way is what put us into this mess. All those prospects are just that, prospects. No gaurantee they'll even be a regular NHL player. Whitney and Tuebert/Plante for the Bruins first rounder maybe.

Puck Boston, if a Hemsky and Paajarvi package is available, they should be going after Dale Tallon for Erik Gudbranson, or a more desireable target like that. Chiarelli is screwed already, he's waited too long to better his club.

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#8 Harlie
March 28 2013, 11:35PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

Nothing worth trading? If I ever saw a post that screamed TROLL as loud as this one does, I don't remember it.

1st round draft pick is worth trading Hemsky, Whitney, Jones, Hartikainen, MPS. That's not mentioning the super six (Ebs, Hall, RNH, Gags, Yakupov, Schultz).

Nothing to trade? Yeah OK.~~~~~~

Consider yourself fed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RubBzkZzpUA

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#9 TeeVee
March 28 2013, 11:43PM
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Lowetide wrote:

It's an interesting question. If you sign Smid and Whitney the club's main area of need (defense) remains the same. Smid-N Schultz-Whitney left side, right side Petry, J Schultz and ???

If the club gets DeKeyser something has to give. Sign Whitney, trade Nick Schultz?

Nick Schultz is rapidly not fitting in with this team anymore. After the coaching staff paired Whitney with J.Shultz late in the game tonight it was obvious finally that he shoudn't be paired with Justin.

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#10 Old Retired Guy
March 29 2013, 10:12AM
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northof51 wrote:

All the Whitney love was making me nauseous , so thanks for weighing in JW.

Whitney was OK against CBJ, but was absolutely terrible the game before against STL. And don't forget that he sat out in Nashville after one of his worst games this season at home vs. STL. So I would say that "improving" is a very relative term when used to describe Whitney.

Potter or Petry can play the PP in Whitney's absence. We have to get rid of him ASAP!

For some time now I've been stating that COURAGE and RISK TAKING are key components of good management, and that it takes courage to move players when they are playing well, at or near the top of their game.

All year we've been praying that Hemsky and Whitney would improve enough to bring value at the deadline. DON'T F83K this UP!

Move them now. The market is there for them and they are as healthy as they will ever be!

I've been one of the patient ones when it comes to the rebuild....but this opportunity may NEVER come again!

We could actually get more for Hemsky/Whitney than Calgary got for Iginla. JUST DO IT BABY!

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#11 Old Retired Guy
March 29 2013, 10:14AM
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And don't even think about moving Magnus unless its a deal you just can't refuse!

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#12 Old Retired Guy
March 29 2013, 10:27AM
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Same principle applies to Habby....He's at the peak of his trade value....move him now!

Hind sight is 20/20, but i'm wishing we would have dept him on the bench after the shutout through to the trade dealine.

Probably won't make much difference in the end, question now is do you play him once more before the deadline and risk injury???

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#13 K_Mart
March 29 2013, 12:19PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I40HfH1UiXo&feature=player_embedded

nooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!

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#14 nvan97
March 28 2013, 10:55PM
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I would like to say that this team is better with Whitney than without. If they want to make a playoff push I think they should keep him around.

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#15 Eddie Shore
March 28 2013, 10:57PM
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Why not resign him?

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#16 outdoorzguy
March 28 2013, 10:58PM
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We don't have anything worth trading that would actually get us anything in return...thanks to our moronic management for getting us into that position.

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#18 TayLordBalls
March 28 2013, 11:10PM
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Whitney is our 3rd best defender, why trade him?

Surely he can teach the younger defenders a few tricks

Oiler's fans don't have to eat their own

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#20 Dog Train
March 28 2013, 11:23PM
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I'm still torn on trading Whitney. His mobility is an issue but he is one of the few dmen we have who can move the puck. I don't see the Bruins moving any more than a draft pick for Whitney. They will move on and find another rental if we expect any more than that. So I say stick it out with Whitney. If we sign this Dekeyser kid, put Potter on waivers. He is playing better of late but I still don't believe he is any more than a decent AHLer or 7th dman.

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#22 Hammers
March 28 2013, 11:36PM
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DeKeyser still hasn't proven anything and may need time in the AHL . If Whitney would sign for say $ 2 mil keep him if not get what you can .Habby needs to go hopefully a 2nd or at worse 3rd. Biggest problem is still the management group who just wait . I, like you had hoped McT would help move them along .

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#23 Crooked
March 28 2013, 11:40PM
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I'd be pleased if the Oilers added Caron. He's young with an inexpensive cap hit and has a lot of the attributes the team needs for a bottom 6 winger. Big, strong on the puck, solid defensively and not afraid to hit someone.

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#24 Thinker
March 28 2013, 11:41PM
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I like the idea of flipping the vets for picks in this draft and subsequent ones. To be buyers in the future we could use some extra chips. Trimming the fat, and adding more meat in the summer is the way to go.

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#25 Woogie63
March 28 2013, 11:43PM
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Trade to Boston will only bring back prospects. We need a few new skill sets from NHL players to keep the rebuild progressing. Washington needs to change their mix as well. Trade three or four players from our Roster (Whitney, Hemsky, Prospect/Jones) ... For either Carlson or Alzner and a goalie.

Both Teams are better for the trade

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#26 dawgtoy
March 28 2013, 11:51PM
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The article says Jordan Caron is 81? Tambo will sign him to a four year deal.

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#27 Eddie Shore
March 28 2013, 11:52PM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

No Oilers defenceman is on the ice for a worse ratio of scoring chances for to against than Ryan Whitney.

Not even Corey Potter.

This year or every year? By eye, his play has been getting better lately. Do the #'s support this?

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#28 Supernova
March 28 2013, 11:54PM
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Lowetide,

I like your thoughts on trading Nick Schultz.

Sign Smid, hopefully get the college stud, trade N Schultz,

Decide on Whitney in relation to what you can attain. Gathering another 2nd rounder could allow them to trade a few to their 2's to get another 1.

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#30 Eddie Shore
March 28 2013, 11:58PM
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Lowetide wrote:

It's an interesting question. If you sign Smid and Whitney the club's main area of need (defense) remains the same. Smid-N Schultz-Whitney left side, right side Petry, J Schultz and ???

If the club gets DeKeyser something has to give. Sign Whitney, trade Nick Schultz?

If you trade/dont resign him, who replaces him? I would rather lose N Schultz than Whitney.

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#31 plikestechno
March 29 2013, 01:17AM
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Nick Schultz is awful. I'm so mad. We would have been so much better off just keeping Tom Gilbert. Everyone was excited about Schultz but he is definitely not as advertised or hyped. Hopefully the oilers have seen this and can still trade him.

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#32 plikestechno
March 29 2013, 01:21AM
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+1 on keeping him for the rest of the year and either resigning him or letting him walk. If we're close to a playoff spot and the return isn't great I'd rather let him play it out.

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#33 Chet134
March 29 2013, 01:54AM
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If we trade Whitney, we replace him with a possible rookie, peckham or fistric. We get toughness but we lose a puckmoving defenseman. Mmmmm let's keep Whitney. Repeatedly hockey analysts tell the fans that hemsky has no trade value and I agree. 5 million cap hit for a player that is on pace for maybe 20 goals and fifty points plus he hasn't played a full season for four or five years. Why in the hell would u trade MSP when he is starting to find his game. Keep this kid and see what u have. Honestly we are trading these players for a bunch of prospects, maybes or draft picks. We need NHL players back that will help us now and for the future. We lose these trades and put our team development back a few years. DON'T EXPECT TO PICK UP A QUALITY UFA THIS SUMMER. That's a pipe dream. Hold on to these players unless ur getting a quality NHL player back and it makes sense.

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#34 geeker99
March 29 2013, 01:59AM
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I have a real feeling we stand pat on the team roster unless we go on a suckfest. I dont't mind watching Hemmer heroics as long as we get a nhl player back if the trade is on.

no more getting picks, the rebuild needs paint and custom parts and then we go for a couple of years. ballsy move pulling khabi but it worked. Exciting and hockey with effort is all I ask and was generally happy. Meaningful hockey is fun!!!

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#35 Rocket
March 29 2013, 03:10AM
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Now is the time to offload Whitney. I like him but it's about time for him to drop his R's & go to southie for a spell & see how he does.

Boston needs him & the Oilers need another draft pick to mess up so it works both ways.

Either way, the Oilers D needs to improve.

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#36 Curcro
March 29 2013, 04:41AM
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N Schultz is actually the Oilers best defensive defenseman this year. He has screwed up a couple times royally but statistically he is doing well as measure by his Corsi.

Whitney is pretty much useless most nights. Tonight he messed up 3 breakouts that I counted and that is his bread and butter.

If we can get something for him all the better.

The fact of the matter is, the Oilers do need better defense than they are getting and Whitney is a 5/6 powerplay specialist. Useful to certain teams, but not the Oilers.

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#37 oilabroad
March 29 2013, 06:54AM
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Whitney is not in the long term plans (nor should he be), if they can get a second for him, take it and run... this is Edmontons last year of the rebuild, stock up on draft choices and prospects, as you will be trading those away in the next few years for useful pieces and rentals...

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#38 northof51
March 29 2013, 09:35AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

No Oilers defenceman is on the ice for a worse ratio of scoring chances for to against than Ryan Whitney.

Not even Corey Potter.

All the Whitney love was making me nauseous , so thanks for weighing in JW.

Whitney was OK against CBJ, but was absolutely terrible the game before against STL. And don't forget that he sat out in Nashville after one of his worst games this season at home vs. STL. So I would say that "improving" is a very relative term when used to describe Whitney.

Potter or Petry can play the PP in Whitney's absence. We have to get rid of him ASAP!

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#39 Eddie Shore
March 29 2013, 09:54AM
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@northof51

Corey Potter has 2 pts.

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#40 michael
March 29 2013, 09:58AM
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Take what Boston is offering for Whitney and move on. If you can move Jones do it also. If someone comes knocking for Hemsky make sure you fleece them for at least a first round pick and an A level prospect.Rangers? Kreider and a first. Washington?Forsberg and a first?

Washington is 3 points out and is need of an offensive infusion.

You know who I think is a one and out. Vancouver.They look awful.

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#41 Silver Streak
March 29 2013, 09:58AM
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Change the D coach....seems fairly obvious to me. We have to look at the coach ...our D personnel arrived with more skill and confidence that what we see now.....our D systems are weak....our breakouts terrible. time to get off our players backs and have a long long look at replacing Mr Smith.

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#43 northof51
March 29 2013, 10:50AM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Corey Potter has 2 pts.

Let me clarify that I do not think Potter is the answer. I do however think that the Oilers should move Whitney to get SOMETHING in return. They will need to make improvements at D, and that is obvious. Sticking with our current crew is clearly not the answer.

Also, Whitney has 4 times as much time on the PP compared to Potter, and has 5 times the points. Total point production is not the only measure of a player. Whitney has been beyond terrible - we get dominated when he is on the ice (save for for a handful of games this year).

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#44 lee
March 29 2013, 11:04AM
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Wouldn't the Oilers be better off not cleaning house and making a push into the playoffs? I think getting these kids the experience is far more valuable than getting a couple extra 2nd and 3rd round picks.

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#45 EricOG
March 29 2013, 11:05AM
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On another note, it feels kind of cool to look at the standings and see other teams behind the Oilers instead of having to look up. That first pick at the moment would be number 10.

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#46 a lg dubl dubl
March 29 2013, 11:07AM
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I still think the Oilers should trade their 1st round pick this year along with Whitney to get a better player than Caron. Ive never seen him play but to me he's a guy that cant really stick with the big club, Oilers dont need that, if they do trade Whitney they should get a dman back that can stick with the club.

A little over payment now can go a long way in pushing this rebuild to the next level.

It still irks me that Murray went for 2 picks and Mr. Dithers, as far as we know didnt grab him.

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#47 a lg dubl dubl
March 29 2013, 11:08AM
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lee wrote:

Wouldn't the Oilers be better off not cleaning house and making a push into the playoffs? I think getting these kids the experience is far more valuable than getting a couple extra 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Exactly!

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#48 Chet134
March 29 2013, 11:15AM
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@michael

Hemsky doesn't have that trade value especially in the east. U would be lucky to get a late first round pick for hemsky. Lucky. So we trade hemsky, jones and Whitney for prospects or draft picks.. Then what. The guys we get in return take 3 or 4 years to become NHL players. How does that make sense. I would look to see if we could get bouwemester out of Calgary. Then we could look to trade Whitney for prospects. We need NHL players in return for our players or we don't make the playoffs next year.

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#49 Oilers_21
March 29 2013, 11:33AM
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Whitney and prospect&/pick for Dougie Hamilton? thoughts

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#50 Eddie Shore
March 29 2013, 11:35AM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

I still think the Oilers should trade their 1st round pick this year along with Whitney to get a better player than Caron. Ive never seen him play but to me he's a guy that cant really stick with the big club, Oilers dont need that, if they do trade Whitney they should get a dman back that can stick with the club.

A little over payment now can go a long way in pushing this rebuild to the next level.

It still irks me that Murray went for 2 picks and Mr. Dithers, as far as we know didnt grab him.

Murray is a UFA at the end of this year. Why the hell would Tambo give up anything for likely 15 games from him?

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