Edmonton Oilers trade for Mike Brown

Jonathan Willis
March 04 2013 09:17AM

 

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On Monday morning, the Edmonton Oilers' official Twitter feed announced that the club had acquired forward Mike Brown from Toronto in exchange for a fourth-round draft pick in 2014.

Brown has played in 12 games with the Maple Leafs this year, picking up a single assist, but his ice-time and importance to the team had diminished sharply with the ascension of fellow tough guys Colton Orr and Frazer McLaren. After averaging more than 9:00 per game in 2011-12, he was down to 4:39 this season, and often spent time in the pressbox. So why are the Oilers interested in a player the Maple Leafs have identified as a spare part?

Pugilism

Brown is likely best known for his physical play - both fighting and hitting. He's had 15 fights since the start of 2011-12 season and hits everything that moves. His size isn't ideal to the role - Brown is listed at 5'11", 212 pounds - but he's very willing and judging by his fight card has had some success against bigger players in the past.

But can he do more than fight?

Can He Play?

The answer to this question is a qualified yes.

The big caveat is that Brown will not score; he's averaged roughly one point for every 10 games over his major-league career, and his career high in NHL points is eight. His career high in the AHL is 15 points, a total he achieved over 78 contests as a rookie professional.

On the other hand, Brown isn't a total liability as a defensive forward. His diminished role this year means he hasn't seen much time on the penalty kill, but NHL coaches in his recent past have used him there - he saw some time in 2011-12, and averaged a career-high 1:35 while shorthanded in 2010-11. It's probably worth noting that the penalty kills he has spent a lot of time on have typically been pretty bad; in significant minutes in 2009-10 with Anaheim and 2010-11 in Toronto, neither club managed to crack the 80% mark in terms of success killing off power plays. 

Brown also saw some success in 2011-12 on a checking line, playing mostly with Dave Steckel - despite a fairly heavy ratio of defensive zone starts, the line came close to holding its own in terms of shots for and against with Brown on the ice. Unfortunately, that's as good as it gets for Brown - in previous years, his line has been lit up despite offensive zone shifts in Anaheim and in defensive zone work in Toronto.

Is it a good move?

There are positives. Brown is likely more capable of playing a regular shift on the fourth line than his predecessor, Darcy Hordichuk, and he will add an edge to whichever line he finds himself on. A fourth-round draft pick is a pretty small price to pay, particularly since it isn't until 2014.

With a logjam of wingers already in the system, this will force the Oilers to move another player off the roster. Maybe that player is Lennart Petrell - a bigger forward who is better defensively and roughly equivalent offensively, but who doesn't fight. Maybe that forward is Magnus Paajarvi or Teemu Hartikainen, in which case the Oilers are sacrificing ability in order to bring in a fighter. Certainly one hopes that head coach Ralph Krueger was on-board with the move, given that his unwillingness to play a part-time guy in Hordichuk ultimately resulted in the veteran getting consigned to the minors.

Ultimately, how Brown responds to the chance to play will determine whether this was a solid move for the Oilers or not. He will upgrade the team's toughness on its bottom lines, but in terms of out-playing the opposition this looks like at best a 'treading water' move. 

Update: Bob McKenzie reports that the draft pick is conditional - if the Oilers make the playoffs this season, it becomes a third-round pick in 2014.

Leafs Nation also has a post up on this trade.

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#102 Czar
March 04 2013, 10:54AM
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Park him out front and hopefully he can deflect a couple off the "stache."

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#103 Hayek
March 04 2013, 10:55AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Because unlike Darcy Hordichuk, Mike Brown has a fairly decent record of playing a regular shift in the NHL.

Funny that was the argument that most blogs (not sure if you did) when Hordichuk came to the team. They said he could take a pass, unlike McIntyre, and would actually be an improvement at even strength. Now I hear the same thing with Mike Brown, and am more than skeptical.

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#104 Phixieus666
March 04 2013, 10:55AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I know you were kidding, but I feel compelled to point out that on eight different occasions, Eric Belanger has scored more points in a season than Mike Brown has in his entire NHL career.

I was more just making reference to the whole belanger triangle thing from last season. Which I find funny because he's been pretty much the same this year but no one has said anything.

JW what do you think the odds are of this being a precursor to an other 2-3 moves by the team up to the deadline?

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#105 fuzzy muppet
March 04 2013, 10:56AM
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Hayek wrote:

I do, but you realize Mike Brown turning out to be a productive NHLer is non-existent right?

I'm okay with trading late picks, but how about for someone that could help the team. Trading away assets (even realitively less valuable assets) for no return is poor management. Mike Brown is no return (in my opinion)

And why didn't they acquire a Center??

Chris Vandevelde is a terrible hockey player, yet you pick up a guy that can't replace him?

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#106 Todd
March 04 2013, 10:59AM
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Every time I see a picture of Tambicakes my blood pressure rises a bit.

SS Titanic Oilers is steaming full speed in the dark towards an iceberg and he is busy changing the wallpaper in his luxury suite.

No amount of tinkering with spare parts and waiver castoffs is going to help the screwed up structure of the entire team. Time to step up and do your job Tambo. Get some real grit in the TOP 6. Get a top 2 d man. It'll take something called being a shrewd and smart GM. It'll take moving out valuable pieces that will be painful to lose.

The Penguins traded away Goligovsky but got JAmes Neal. At the time that was a painful trade of a young stud puck moving d man. Now Neal is ripping home 40 goals. It took balls AND giving up something of value to get something back.

It appears as if Tambi's only plan is to put together a real terrible team to get a bunch of #1 draft picks. Then add some waiver castoff losers from other teams to round things out and close his eyes and pray.

#FAIL #fireTambellini

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#107 Bonvie
March 04 2013, 10:59AM
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common sense wrote:

The reason this puts egg on management is because these kinds of moves should've been before the need arose. Most everyone knew what this team lacked. Tambo et.al. are a joke. We need someone, anyone who will act proactively.

Vancouver just picked up a better Mike Brown on WAIVERS!!!!

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#110 andrewmk20
March 04 2013, 11:04AM
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@Hayek

Actually the issue I have is that Tambellini consistently overpays in relation to the NHL trade market. Loktionov was dealt for a 5th rounder and he projects to be a top 6-9 forward. Simon Gagne and Matthew Lombardi were both dealt for 4th rounders. It just seems that he can never get any value for his picks. It`s a little troubling because to build a contender the GM needs to be able to squeeze good value out of the assets he`s giving up and so far outside of Fistric, which at this point is a fair deal, I haven`t seen Tambellini do so. I mean we all rag on Lowe but he attained quite a bit of value out of the deals he made when he was GM. From Dan McGillis, Anson Carter, and Janne Niinimaa, he attained good players from assets that were going to leave or for picks and spare parts.

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#111 Mr. Sense Common
March 04 2013, 11:04AM
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WOW. Tammy did something useful!

Excellent acquisition. Better than excellent. I have often said "Edm needs 3 Steve Ott's"....well here is 1. Think Tazmanian Devil, in look and speed...this guy is a machine. No need to micro-analyze his points/shots, etc...this guy should be told one thing: HIT.

Excellent move and only took 6yrs. Sheesh...the first thing Bergevin did in Mtl was lock up Prust and Armstrong and the skilled midgets in Mtl are flyin......

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#112 Bonvie
March 04 2013, 11:05AM
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Phixieus666 wrote:

In all fairness Hordi was an upgrade over Big Mac. Just not much of one.

In what world was Hordichuk an upgrade in an enforcer position over McIntyre. At the end of the day there is no difference in terms of wether the Oilers are getting outscored during either of their 2 minutes of ice time. The difference being who would want to fight Steve McIntyre, he is feared.

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#113 Hayek
March 04 2013, 11:06AM
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Why is it that we have trouble filling our bottom 6 with useful hockey players? The top 6 should be the tough part. These are talented guys, and salary always is a factor.

The bottom 6 should be such an easy part to fill. The thing is, Oilers don't even use guys in their own organization. Omark led the Swiss League in scoring this year. Arcobello is putting up a ton of points in OKC. Look at the good teams in the league, and look at their scoring in their bottom 6 (...it exists!!!)

If you say something enough times, the people will believe it. So this concept of grit gets said over and over by sheep in the media, and now it's thought that grit wins games.

Scoring wins games. Creating turnovers wins games. Maintaining possession wins games. Being positionally aware wins games. Drawing penalties wins games.

Grit does not win games.

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#114 Todd
March 04 2013, 11:08AM
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andrewmk20 wrote:

Actually the issue I have is that Tambellini consistently overpays in relation to the NHL trade market. Loktionov was dealt for a 5th rounder and he projects to be a top 6-9 forward. Simon Gagne and Matthew Lombardi were both dealt for 4th rounders. It just seems that he can never get any value for his picks. It`s a little troubling because to build a contender the GM needs to be able to squeeze good value out of the assets he`s giving up and so far outside of Fistric, which at this point is a fair deal, I haven`t seen Tambellini do so. I mean we all rag on Lowe but he attained quite a bit of value out of the deals he made when he was GM. From Dan McGillis, Anson Carter, and Janne Niinimaa, he attained good players from assets that were going to leave or for picks and spare parts.

Tambo is a shmuck. Name 1 good thing he has done. He tanked the team and got us 3 skilled stars. He tried his hardest to give Hemsky away and failed, so he had to overpay to resign him. JSchultz came here cause of the kids, nothing to do with Tambo.

He has done nothing good in 4 years. Epic fail.

FAIL!

Is there a list of everything Tambo has ever done? I'd like to see it. In my mind it plays out like a B horror movie. But perhaps I'm forgetting something good he did.... Anything?

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#115 Sanaa Montana
March 04 2013, 11:08AM
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So our 5v5 just improved?

This trade was made to keep the fans and media quiet and talking about something else.

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#116 Hayek
March 04 2013, 11:09AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

It's all relative. Hordichuk is am uch better hockey player than MacIntyre; Brown is a better hockey player than Hordichuk.

And I'll take your word on that, but Hordichuk was terrible. Why are we setting the bar so low? So who is Brown better than on the team right now? My point is just that improving on terrible players isn't really improving.

If you are going to trade for someone, make it someone useful.

(I think you already mentioned this, so I agree with most of what you are saying. Just don't understand the part where you said Brown was useful last year. Where is this coming from?)

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#117 Bonvie
March 04 2013, 11:10AM
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@Jonathan Willis

And any one of MPS, Hartakanen, VV, Green, Arcobello, Rajalla etc are better hockey players than Hordichuck and Brown.

But if we are talking enforcers than McIntyre will eat Brown and Hordichuks lunch every time.

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#118 Hayek
March 04 2013, 11:12AM
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Sanaa Montana wrote:

So our 5v5 just improved?

This trade was made to keep the fans and media quiet and talking about something else.

Lol, so very true. Now at least sheeple will be quiet about getting more grit. Because after all, we would be in the playoffs right now if our truculence/60 was at a higher level....

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#119 Hayek
March 04 2013, 11:16AM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

How do you create turnovers? How do you get the puck back when you lose possession? How do you win one on one battles? You're right, grit isn't important at all.

See, I agree with you here.

But I quantified things that win games, other people don't quantify grit. I assume they quantify grit as someone who runs around like a chicken with head cut off. Someone who has lots of hits, and someone who gets into scrums after the whistle.

Hitting a guy after he has already passed the puck does not create a turnover. Hitting a guy, and knocking him off the puck does.

That's what irritates me, is when people use the word grit, and don't really know what it means (they just tend to want tough guys, who hit, and fight).

I'm not saying you are one of these people by the way.

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#120 Quicksilver ballet
March 04 2013, 11:17AM
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Mike Brown = Darcy Hordichuk.

Repeat,repeat.....repeat. Oilers Management has to be the posterchild of insanity.

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#121 Sanaa Montana
March 04 2013, 11:18AM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

How do you create turnovers? How do you get the puck back when you lose possession? How do you win one on one battles? You're right, grit isn't important at all.

So is grit defense, or is defense grit? If they're not two of the same: what is more important; defense or grit?

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#122 Hayek
March 04 2013, 11:20AM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

How do you create turnovers? How do you get the puck back when you lose possession? How do you win one on one battles? You're right, grit isn't important at all.

Oh, by your definition here, you pretty well explain Omark spot on. He creates a lot of turnovers, mostly through the use of his stick. He wins one on one battles, and is shockingly great on the boards for a player of his size. Yet in my mind, I would not consider him a gritty player, because he doesn`t hit that often, and he doesn`t fight.

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#123 fuzzy muppet
March 04 2013, 11:20AM
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I'm Fine with Brown as a player that knows his role.

What I am not fine with is that this kind of player is constantly on the waiver wire and is worth no more than 6th rounder.

Another small overpay. You add up all these small over pays (like schultz for gilbert, 3rd for fistric, eberle contract, eagers contract term, Belanger contract term etc...)you end up with bad asset management.

Edmonton is great at bad asset management.

And i'm really not fine with this if they send out Pajaarvi to make room. It's f*&%ing lunacy.

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#124 Zamboni Driver
March 04 2013, 11:21AM
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Again a list of 'my blind faith favourites'...

NONE of you, ZERO had any clue who Mike Brown was 45 minutes ago.

But now he's EXACTLY what we need.

Well...other than maybe Macintyre and Penner, of course.

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#125 Spydyr
March 04 2013, 11:23AM
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bwar wrote:

My only issue with this trade is that if Krueger refused to give Hordichuk ice time why will he give Brown any?

Also who cares about any draft pick outside of our yearly #1 pick? Trade em all who cares.

Henrik Zetterberg was drafted 210th overall in the seventh round

Daniel Alfredsson was chosen 133rd overall

Datsyuk 171st pick in 1998

Lidstrom 53rd pick

Pavel Bure 113th pick.

Milan Lucic 50 overall

Yah who cares about any of those guys

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#126 Hayek
March 04 2013, 11:24AM
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@Will

But Brown has no upside. Why trade for a guy that can be picked up on waivers. I also argue not to waste time picking up guys like Brown at all. The team isn`t losing because we are getting run over, or outhit. We`re losing games because we are getting outshot massively.

Let`s correct the real problem, instead of trying to appease some fans that want to see more fights during a game. I mean, now when someone hits RNH, Hall, Eberle, Gagner, Yakupov, Hemsky, J Schultz....our goon can fight their goon.

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#127 Rama Lama
March 04 2013, 11:31AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I know you were kidding, but I feel compelled to point out that on eight different occasions, Eric Belanger has scored more points in a season than Mike Brown has in his entire NHL career.

This is hilarious, defending the most incompetent hockey player on the Oilers roster. Eric Belenger. His only claim to fame is an average face off percentage........so what!

If Brown can do anything more than Belenger, he is automatically an upgrade. It's because we think guys like Belenger, Horcoff, and Petrell are so good that we are where we are.

A total upgrade on the bottom six is required, not trading for someone else's castoffs. If Tamby and Lowe think that somehow adding a marginal player is going to improve our fortunes.......they are sadly mistaken.

I do not see the value of this deal from any angle.

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#128 bdiddy18
March 04 2013, 11:31AM
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Brown replaces petrell - and its all said and done... but we live in Edmonton so we will over analyze its importance and debate how much closer Brown gets us to utter NHL dominance that is pending on this club.

in baseball it would be arguing about the bullpen pitcher No. 11 in the rotation.

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#129 Phixieus666
March 04 2013, 11:36AM
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How close is Horcoff to coming back?

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#130 Lochenzo
March 04 2013, 11:39AM
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It's not the fighting per say that I'm looking forward to. It's the potential energy a Mike Brown can add to this lineup. The Oilers were outshot 18-0 in the 2nd period yesterday. Unacceptable and embarrassing. Somebody needed to do something. Scoring a goal would have changed the momentum. But if you can't score, a fight or a big hit works sometimes too.

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#131 Ales Hallsky
March 04 2013, 11:41AM
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"Hitting a guy after he has already passed the puck does not create a turnover. Hitting a guy, and knocking him off the puck does."

I disagree a little with this my friend, it will cause future turnovers. After you crush him, that player (maybe his teammates too) will rush to get the puck away every time he sees you coming at him.

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#132 Todd
March 04 2013, 11:42AM
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Spydyr wrote:

Henrik Zetterberg was drafted 210th overall in the seventh round

Daniel Alfredsson was chosen 133rd overall

Datsyuk 171st pick in 1998

Lidstrom 53rd pick

Pavel Bure 113th pick.

Milan Lucic 50 overall

Yah who cares about any of those guys

Cherry picking draft flukes is pointless. Sure it happens. People win at the slots in Vegas too. But 99.99% of people don't.

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#133 Hayek
March 04 2013, 11:47AM
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Lochenzo wrote:

It's not the fighting per say that I'm looking forward to. It's the potential energy a Mike Brown can add to this lineup. The Oilers were outshot 18-0 in the 2nd period yesterday. Unacceptable and embarrassing. Somebody needed to do something. Scoring a goal would have changed the momentum. But if you can't score, a fight or a big hit works sometimes too.

It`s actually been researched that after a fight, it does not increase shots on goal, or goals in the period after the fight. This thing about fighting or hits changing momentum largely does not exist.

Why people think it exists is because of times after a fight or hit, the team scores. People forget all the times after a fight or a hit the team doesn`t score, or the opposing team scores.

In general, people are terrible at recognizing patterns. They also attribute patterns often to where they do not exist.

So you`re logic here is pretty flawed. It can`t hurt to hit someone, or fight someone. But it doesn`t help in scoring goals.

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#134 michael
March 04 2013, 11:50AM
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Brown? What we'll see next is TH sent to OKC. Grit for a guy who has shown little of that in his time here this year. Brown with Eager and Petrell. I can live with that.Tambo did something.Points for that at least.

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#135 Hayek
March 04 2013, 11:51AM
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Ales Hallsky wrote:

"Hitting a guy after he has already passed the puck does not create a turnover. Hitting a guy, and knocking him off the puck does."

I disagree a little with this my friend, it will cause future turnovers. After you crush him, that player (maybe his teammates too) will rush to get the puck away every time he sees you coming at him.

Yeah, I can agree with you there. I argue the same, however this is more of a secondary effect. It definitely exists, but obviously is not as effective as knocking the guy off the puck to create a turnover.

The thing that kind of counters the argument on the idea of `grit` is that instead of hitting the guy after he passes the puck, just being in his face and threatening a poke check does the same thing. The hit itself is not the part that creates the future turnover, it`s just being in the vicinity and forcing him to release the puck sooner than he normally would.

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#136 Todd
March 04 2013, 11:56AM
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Tambicakes sucks.

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#137 Lochenzo
March 04 2013, 12:02PM
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I agree with you Hayek. Not all fights or hits will change momentum. The stats show that most of them don't. But some of them do. I liken it to defibrilators. The odds of jolting your system with electricity and reviving you is only roughly 30%. Not good odds, but we're thankful we have it when it does work. Translate that over the course of a season. How many points would the Oilers gain vs rolling over and dying? Would it be enough to get this team into the playoffs?

Imagine if you're on the Oiler bench while they are getting blitzed 18-0 in shots. You have a bunker mentality. You're just happy to get the puck out of the zone. We've seen it a few times this year. These young Oilers need to find a way to break that mentality when it does happen. Maybe somebody laying out a big hit will get these guys out of that mindset.

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#138 Will
March 04 2013, 12:03PM
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@Hayek

I agree with you that pure goon on goon fights do little if anything. I was merely pointing out that a fourth round pick for this guy, especially before he plays a single game with Edmonton, is not enough reason to ask for Tambi's head. In fact, I think the guy is doing what he can to improve the team without screwing it up too much.

I would imagine most GM's are trying to do the same, tinker but not tear apart. I for one am going to give this guy a shot and see if it helps. In my mind, it can't really hurt. Because even if we did manage to find that sleeper in the fourth round, well that guy is likely years away from becoming the superstar, and by then our roster of superstars will be going full boar anyway.

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#139 R Adel
March 04 2013, 12:06PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Henrik Zetterberg was drafted 210th overall in the seventh round

Daniel Alfredsson was chosen 133rd overall

Datsyuk 171st pick in 1998

Lidstrom 53rd pick

Pavel Bure 113th pick.

Milan Lucic 50 overall

Yah who cares about any of those guys

Brown can PK and skate fast! He is a great 4 checker. You can't compare him to Hordy. Brown is a way better hockey player

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#140 Ales Hallsky
March 04 2013, 12:09PM
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Hayek wrote:

Yeah, I can agree with you there. I argue the same, however this is more of a secondary effect. It definitely exists, but obviously is not as effective as knocking the guy off the puck to create a turnover.

The thing that kind of counters the argument on the idea of `grit` is that instead of hitting the guy after he passes the puck, just being in his face and threatening a poke check does the same thing. The hit itself is not the part that creates the future turnover, it`s just being in the vicinity and forcing him to release the puck sooner than he normally would.

I was thinking that while i wrote the last comment. The only difference is one instills fear. Its a different OH $#!t moment.

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#141 Hayek
March 04 2013, 12:11PM
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Will wrote:

I agree with you that pure goon on goon fights do little if anything. I was merely pointing out that a fourth round pick for this guy, especially before he plays a single game with Edmonton, is not enough reason to ask for Tambi's head. In fact, I think the guy is doing what he can to improve the team without screwing it up too much.

I would imagine most GM's are trying to do the same, tinker but not tear apart. I for one am going to give this guy a shot and see if it helps. In my mind, it can't really hurt. Because even if we did manage to find that sleeper in the fourth round, well that guy is likely years away from becoming the superstar, and by then our roster of superstars will be going full boar anyway.

Yeah, fair enough. Except the thing is, this is just making a move to make a move, so it`s not doing anything to improve the team. Not like a 3rd or 4th round pick means a lot, but these are also assets that we could have used in a package for a trade that actually mattered. I wouldn`t ask for Tambo`s head because of this trade, but because of a string of moves made over the past couple years. The only positive move I can think of attributable to him, was claiming Jones off waivers.

Trading for a goon is not a good move, or something to get excited about. It`s pretty useless as this guy will play 8 minutes a night if he`s lucky. There are lots of 3rd and 4th liners in the NHL that can actually play hockey. The question is why we are not trading for these guys with our 3rd and 4th round picks.

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#142 Phixieus666
March 04 2013, 12:21PM
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Hayek wrote:

Yeah, fair enough. Except the thing is, this is just making a move to make a move, so it`s not doing anything to improve the team. Not like a 3rd or 4th round pick means a lot, but these are also assets that we could have used in a package for a trade that actually mattered. I wouldn`t ask for Tambo`s head because of this trade, but because of a string of moves made over the past couple years. The only positive move I can think of attributable to him, was claiming Jones off waivers.

Trading for a goon is not a good move, or something to get excited about. It`s pretty useless as this guy will play 8 minutes a night if he`s lucky. There are lots of 3rd and 4th liners in the NHL that can actually play hockey. The question is why we are not trading for these guys with our 3rd and 4th round picks.

He plays with a lot of heart and energy. Gives a 100% every shift. And if you watched last nights game. They can use more players that actually show up to play.

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#143 Hayek
March 04 2013, 12:26PM
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Phixieus666 wrote:

He plays with a lot of heart and energy. Gives a 100% every shift. And if you watched last nights game. They can use more players that actually show up to play.

Well that`s good. It`s nice to have people give 100% effort to the team.

I don`t think anyone questions that though. Where the dislike of this deal comes from is his hockey ability. It`s just that him trying at 100% isn`t good enough to be NHL replacement level.

We can having exciting guys, that entertain fans, or we can have guys that help win games. I would think the key to building a winning team is having guys who help win games. (If they can be entertaining, and show great attitudes, even better, but they need to be NHL replacement level)

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#144 Oiler Al
March 04 2013, 12:27PM
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This is much to do about nothing. Brown is replacing Hordicuk, both are middleweights, with similar stats. Brown is more likely to drop the gloves than Hordichuck, who wont be resigned, and Petrel's deal is also up . Brown has another year left on curent deal, and will be this and next years Hordichuck. I mention Petrel in the same sentence as he should be a tough guy on the team, and he's not. Rarely makes a hit.

Some of this is about cleaning house for next year. Vendevelde , another big body that contributes very little to the toughness. Hartikienen is another guy that needs to be looked at, when considering upgrading toughness.

Then again, Horcoff is the same size as Brown?

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#145 ScottieA
March 04 2013, 12:35PM
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Nonis must be giddy about this.

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#146 Hayek
March 04 2013, 12:35PM
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DigDeepNBleedBlue wrote:

Good 1st and 2nd move this year. Both add toughness. Fistric has made this team harder to play against and Brown will too.

He is not a top six option. Good addition though. He's a hard, energy, tough as nails fourth liner.

Good job Tambo. Now someone to play with the skilled cats.

I have some friends that played in the WHL that are tough as nails. They were pretty dirty players, and annoying to play against. I would not want them on my NHL team. They lack talent. Brown and Fistric lack talent. Sure we will see a good fight, or a big hit. But we will lose games because of them, because there are better players that could be taking their spots.

But every person gets their own satisfaction from hockey. Me, I don`t care how boring or exciting, I just want to win games.

I assume people like you want more entertainment. So if employing people who are less talented at hockey, at contributing to wins, you`re okay with that. You are willing to pay for a couple fights, and more hits, and the expense of a couple wins.

It`s not that my utility is better than yours, we both just have different goals to what we want from our hockey team.

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#147 Spydyr
March 04 2013, 12:44PM
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Todd wrote:

Cherry picking draft flukes is pointless. Sure it happens. People win at the slots in Vegas too. But 99.99% of people don't.

Sure ever draft pick is a gamble.The one thing we can be sure of is Brown will never be like any of the players listed.Never, no way, not going to happen.

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#148 justDOit
March 04 2013, 12:49PM
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Yep wrote:

The only people less qualified to GM an NHL team are OilersNation commenters.

One possible exception:

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#149 Hair bag
March 04 2013, 01:03PM
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Hayek wrote:

He actually offers an argument. You just berate others. When your main case is saying `dynamics of hockey, the dressing room, role players`... You offer nothing. You might as well copy paste main stream media cliches.

If you are going to criticize someone on their arguement, explain why.

I criticize RL because almost every one of his posts berates Oiler Management for not doing this or that. Well there is nothing you can do about what management does so why not offer some suggestions/solutions to the issues instead of just complaining that they are incompetent. Saying you need to change the bottom six or get a big centerman is fine but let's hear who exactly you would trade for and who you would give up and make it realistic. Every one of the Oiler management is a hockey lifer with far more knowledge and experience than anyone putting their two cents on this forum - do you honestly think they don't know the issues or that they are not trying to find solutions!?!

As far as the "dynamics of hockey, the dressing room, role players, etc", these are not just cliches - they are actual facets of a hockey team. Anyone who has played on a winning team knows that there are many ingredients (so to speak) that go into success ie the dynamics of hockey. The number of goals, assists, does not a winning hockey team make - it is the chemistry of personalities in the room that ultimately determines success ie the dressing room. Role players are the other ingredients aside from skill players that you need in a room in for success. You can't win with a team full of Gretzky's...

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#150 John
March 04 2013, 01:03PM
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andrewmk20 wrote:

Actually the issue I have is that Tambellini consistently overpays in relation to the NHL trade market. Loktionov was dealt for a 5th rounder and he projects to be a top 6-9 forward. Simon Gagne and Matthew Lombardi were both dealt for 4th rounders. It just seems that he can never get any value for his picks. It`s a little troubling because to build a contender the GM needs to be able to squeeze good value out of the assets he`s giving up and so far outside of Fistric, which at this point is a fair deal, I haven`t seen Tambellini do so. I mean we all rag on Lowe but he attained quite a bit of value out of the deals he made when he was GM. From Dan McGillis, Anson Carter, and Janne Niinimaa, he attained good players from assets that were going to leave or for picks and spare parts.

I agree with your assessment with the picks. However, Lowe was only ever a good GM when he had no money to work with. He was great at replaceing guys like guerin, carter, ninnima,etc. with guys with just lesser talent but at least comparable. Around the time of the "new" nhl he started to make more bad trades than good (aside from his 2006 fluke). I hear people calling for tambellini's head and preaching for MacT, but is no one concerned that we don't even bother to look at the best person available, we look for the best person available in our own management or friends of management? Fire everyone and start over fresh.

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