Edmonton Oilers trade for Mike Brown

Jonathan Willis
March 04 2013 09:17AM

 

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On Monday morning, the Edmonton Oilers' official Twitter feed announced that the club had acquired forward Mike Brown from Toronto in exchange for a fourth-round draft pick in 2014.

Brown has played in 12 games with the Maple Leafs this year, picking up a single assist, but his ice-time and importance to the team had diminished sharply with the ascension of fellow tough guys Colton Orr and Frazer McLaren. After averaging more than 9:00 per game in 2011-12, he was down to 4:39 this season, and often spent time in the pressbox. So why are the Oilers interested in a player the Maple Leafs have identified as a spare part?

Pugilism

Brown is likely best known for his physical play - both fighting and hitting. He's had 15 fights since the start of 2011-12 season and hits everything that moves. His size isn't ideal to the role - Brown is listed at 5'11", 212 pounds - but he's very willing and judging by his fight card has had some success against bigger players in the past.

But can he do more than fight?

Can He Play?

The answer to this question is a qualified yes.

The big caveat is that Brown will not score; he's averaged roughly one point for every 10 games over his major-league career, and his career high in NHL points is eight. His career high in the AHL is 15 points, a total he achieved over 78 contests as a rookie professional.

On the other hand, Brown isn't a total liability as a defensive forward. His diminished role this year means he hasn't seen much time on the penalty kill, but NHL coaches in his recent past have used him there - he saw some time in 2011-12, and averaged a career-high 1:35 while shorthanded in 2010-11. It's probably worth noting that the penalty kills he has spent a lot of time on have typically been pretty bad; in significant minutes in 2009-10 with Anaheim and 2010-11 in Toronto, neither club managed to crack the 80% mark in terms of success killing off power plays. 

Brown also saw some success in 2011-12 on a checking line, playing mostly with Dave Steckel - despite a fairly heavy ratio of defensive zone starts, the line came close to holding its own in terms of shots for and against with Brown on the ice. Unfortunately, that's as good as it gets for Brown - in previous years, his line has been lit up despite offensive zone shifts in Anaheim and in defensive zone work in Toronto.

Is it a good move?

There are positives. Brown is likely more capable of playing a regular shift on the fourth line than his predecessor, Darcy Hordichuk, and he will add an edge to whichever line he finds himself on. A fourth-round draft pick is a pretty small price to pay, particularly since it isn't until 2014.

With a logjam of wingers already in the system, this will force the Oilers to move another player off the roster. Maybe that player is Lennart Petrell - a bigger forward who is better defensively and roughly equivalent offensively, but who doesn't fight. Maybe that forward is Magnus Paajarvi or Teemu Hartikainen, in which case the Oilers are sacrificing ability in order to bring in a fighter. Certainly one hopes that head coach Ralph Krueger was on-board with the move, given that his unwillingness to play a part-time guy in Hordichuk ultimately resulted in the veteran getting consigned to the minors.

Ultimately, how Brown responds to the chance to play will determine whether this was a solid move for the Oilers or not. He will upgrade the team's toughness on its bottom lines, but in terms of out-playing the opposition this looks like at best a 'treading water' move. 

Update: Bob McKenzie reports that the draft pick is conditional - if the Oilers make the playoffs this season, it becomes a third-round pick in 2014.

Leafs Nation also has a post up on this trade.

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#151 gcw_rocks
March 04 2013, 01:07PM
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Isn't this the kind of stupidity that all the MacT fans were expecting would stop with his sage advice added to the mix?

If this is the kind of "advice" he is giving or endorsing, then he should shut the hell up. A tambo that does nothing is better than a tambo that brings in these kinds of players.

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#152 Rama Lama
March 04 2013, 01:14PM
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Hair bag wrote:

Rama Lama you don't see the value in anything. It is obvious with every post you put on this website that you know nothing about the dynamics of hockey, the dressing room, role players - I would say hockey in general other than being able to turn on your tv to the channel that has the game on. Then you bitch and complain on here like you're some kind of expert. I used to be annoyed when I read your dribble now I just have to laugh at you...if I didn't know any better I would swear you and DAF or DSF whatever his handle is were paid to be on here to stoke the flames of controversy with you asinine comments.

Well I'm all ears for your " genius expert opinion" , on this matter. What have you to say on this matter your excellency?

Cant wait!!!

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#153 DigDeepNBleedBlue
March 04 2013, 01:16PM
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Hayek wrote:

I have some friends that played in the WHL that are tough as nails. They were pretty dirty players, and annoying to play against. I would not want them on my NHL team. They lack talent. Brown and Fistric lack talent. Sure we will see a good fight, or a big hit. But we will lose games because of them, because there are better players that could be taking their spots.

But every person gets their own satisfaction from hockey. Me, I don`t care how boring or exciting, I just want to win games.

I assume people like you want more entertainment. So if employing people who are less talented at hockey, at contributing to wins, you`re okay with that. You are willing to pay for a couple fights, and more hits, and the expense of a couple wins.

It`s not that my utility is better than yours, we both just have different goals to what we want from our hockey team.

WHL tough guy and a NHL tough guy are two different beasts. To get to the show you need more talent then your average WHL goon.

When your a soft team to play against you will lose far more often then you will win. A mixture of skill and toughness and energy will allow you to compete every game.

Energy - The strength and vitality required for sustained physical or mental activity.

With an energy shift, ideally, your forwards will be in the O-zone banging bodies, kicking pucks loose, banging more bodies, driving hard to the net and occasionally scoring the prototypical "garbage goal."

It's not pretty ala Gretz, but it works. That's why you also have a 1st and a 2nd line called "scoring lines." The hope would be to sprinkle a little energy/toughness within those lines. Bertuzzi, Neely, Clowe, etc. SKilled men who compete with that energy.

By also doing this (hitting/energy) it wears down the opponents D-men. And, when your tired you make mistakes.

We do differ on what we want to see the Oilers to become. I want a winner, not just a side-show as you accuse me off. Yes, if they had Gladiators hacking themselves apart today I would watch. But, that doesn't change the fact that a soft, passive team is going to win more than a hard as nails team. This is were we disagree on the definition of a "winner." Hitting is part of hockey. Winning battles is part of hockey. And you need the right personnel to do these things or your current group to step up in that respect.

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#154 justDOit
March 04 2013, 01:19PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

This is not a "game changer", but at the same time it is not the worst deal in history. Wounds are a little fresh after last nights debacle, I suppose.

Relax folks, let Brown get into town and play a game or two before we decide to put the run on him. Holy kneejerk reaction, Batman ........

Kadri on Brown trade: 'Can’t say I was happy with the decision ... I was very disappointed. He’s a guy that’s awesome on so many levels.'

(from TSN)

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#155 DigDeepNBleedBlue
March 04 2013, 01:21PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

This is not a "game changer", but at the same time it is not the worst deal in history. Wounds are a little fresh after last nights debacle, I suppose.

Relax folks, let Brown get into town and play a game or two before we decide to put the run on him. Holy kneejerk reaction, Batman ........

Amen, brah.

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#156 The Soup Fascist
March 04 2013, 01:22PM
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justDOit wrote:

Kadri on Brown trade: 'Can’t say I was happy with the decision ... I was very disappointed. He’s a guy that’s awesome on so many levels.'

(from TSN)

Nice to hear. That would indicate he is good with the kids.

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#157 Tom
March 04 2013, 01:29PM
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Are you kidding me! Just a rhetorical question. Is this just to do something! Also rhetorical. Fistric on the IR to make room for Brown?

How about Ebs sits upstairs. I can't believe how bad he is playing. Not buying into the system.

Tambi is useless. How does he keep his job.

Very tired of the Oilers disappointing year after year.

Might have to start watching ping pong or something.

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#158 Rama Lama
March 04 2013, 01:29PM
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@Rama Lama

Furbag?? Hairbag??Dirtbag......whichever moniker you go by.........I'm still waiting for your insightful, thoughts on how Brown makes us better?

Obviously you have an opinion?? Any idiot can be a critic of others, me included, although I reserve this right for Tamby and Lowe, as they deserve the most credit for building this team.

Maybe you can get a job with them and teach them what to do?

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#159 Phixieus666
March 04 2013, 01:36PM
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Hayek wrote:

Well that`s good. It`s nice to have people give 100% effort to the team.

I don`t think anyone questions that though. Where the dislike of this deal comes from is his hockey ability. It`s just that him trying at 100% isn`t good enough to be NHL replacement level.

We can having exciting guys, that entertain fans, or we can have guys that help win games. I would think the key to building a winning team is having guys who help win games. (If they can be entertaining, and show great attitudes, even better, but they need to be NHL replacement level)

His ability to play physical and hard every shift could open up more space and could wear down the opponents faster. Making it easier for our top guys to do their thing. Would that not be him helping the team win games?

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#160 bumblebpete
March 04 2013, 01:39PM
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@Zamboni Driver

Has anyone else noticed that Ryan Whitney's picture has been removed from the Oiler's home page? Is this an omen?

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#161 justDOit
March 04 2013, 01:44PM
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@bumblebpete

I just noticed the other day that he was on the background. I wonder if they change that up every so often, or what?

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#162 justDOit
March 04 2013, 01:59PM
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bumblebpete wrote:

Has anyone else noticed that Ryan Whitney's picture has been removed from the Oiler's home page? Is this an omen?

Click on a video link - his mug is still on the background.

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#163 hoil
March 04 2013, 02:26PM
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@Hair bag

Hayek wrote:

The number of goals, assists, does not a winning hockey team make - it is the chemistry of personalities in the room that ultimately determines success ie the dressing room. Role players are the other ingredients aside from skill players that you need in a room in for success. You can't win with a team full of Gretzky's...

Actually, the winner at the end of the hockey game is ultimately determined by the team scoring the most goals. A team that wins that hockey game by scoring the most goals is therefore a "winning hockey team." Meanwhile, "chemistry of personalities" is one of those imaginary intangibles that luckily enough for its believers manages to escape any burden of proof of existence at all.

"You can't win with a team full of Gretzky's..."

Yeah, I suppose you would need a goaltender, but I bet that goalie wouldn't have to be very good for the team to win.

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#164 Phixieus666
March 04 2013, 02:29PM
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hoil wrote:

Hayek wrote:

The number of goals, assists, does not a winning hockey team make - it is the chemistry of personalities in the room that ultimately determines success ie the dressing room. Role players are the other ingredients aside from skill players that you need in a room in for success. You can't win with a team full of Gretzky's...

Actually, the winner at the end of the hockey game is ultimately determined by the team scoring the most goals. A team that wins that hockey game by scoring the most goals is therefore a "winning hockey team." Meanwhile, "chemistry of personalities" is one of those imaginary intangibles that luckily enough for its believers manages to escape any burden of proof of existence at all.

"You can't win with a team full of Gretzky's..."

Yeah, I suppose you would need a goaltender, but I bet that goalie wouldn't have to be very good for the team to win.

Not so sure man, Team full of Gretzky's might not be so great against a team full of Hartnells. It would look like friggin football out there with all the hits. Could you imagine a team full of Dustin Brown's.

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#165 Rama Lama
March 04 2013, 03:09PM
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Phixieus666 wrote:

I thought that Whitney looked pretty decent last night. Now whether that was because the whole team had slowed down to his pace or not I don't know. One thing I did notice is Peckham passing the puck right on guys sticks. Very surprising and if he keeps it up maybe there is a place for him on this team.

Yea I have to agree with your assessment on Peckham and Whitney. TP is playing a simpler game and deserves a chance to show his game.

I know that Krueger is big on " offseason training and body fat", but sometimes these metrics are over rated. Imagine telling big Byfuglien he cannot play due to his total body fat??

Some guys carry more body fat then others but this should not be the sole judge of a player's ability to help his team. Last time I checked Fistric does not look like a chiseled body builder...........but he is very effective in his role.

Go Theo!

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#166 Phixieus666
March 04 2013, 03:21PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Yea I have to agree with your assessment on Peckham and Whitney. TP is playing a simpler game and deserves a chance to show his game.

I know that Krueger is big on " offseason training and body fat", but sometimes these metrics are over rated. Imagine telling big Byfuglien he cannot play due to his total body fat??

Some guys carry more body fat then others but this should not be the sole judge of a player's ability to help his team. Last time I checked Fistric does not look like a chiseled body builder...........but he is very effective in his role.

Go Theo!

There was a story a while back talking about guys that are all chiseled, more directed towards MMA fighters but I think it would hold true for most sports, and occurrence of injuries. Basically guys that are chiseled are more susceptible to injuries because they are constantly pushing their bodies too hard. Then you have a guys like Roy Nelson who has never been injured.

I dont care what a guy looks like, I only care what he does on the ice. The same crap was said about Kadri before the season and he is having a really good season. Means nothing.

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#167 Wäx Män Riley
March 04 2013, 03:24PM
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DSF wrote:

Puzzling.

Could have plucked Sestito off waivers for nothing but to then go and use a pick to acquire a player with lesser value is baffling.

Not baffling at all.

Tambo has no creativity at the NHL level.

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#168 Phixieus666
March 04 2013, 03:56PM
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Oilers lose against the Jackets and it should be firing time. We are in 14th right now and only 4 points ahead of the jackets. no way this team should be this close to the bottom

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#169 CaptainLander
March 04 2013, 03:58PM
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Will wrote:

I agree with you that pure goon on goon fights do little if anything. I was merely pointing out that a fourth round pick for this guy, especially before he plays a single game with Edmonton, is not enough reason to ask for Tambi's head. In fact, I think the guy is doing what he can to improve the team without screwing it up too much.

I would imagine most GM's are trying to do the same, tinker but not tear apart. I for one am going to give this guy a shot and see if it helps. In my mind, it can't really hurt. Because even if we did manage to find that sleeper in the fourth round, well that guy is likely years away from becoming the superstar, and by then our roster of superstars will be going full boar anyway.

Am inclined to agree and if there is a Superstar sleeper pick just take him in the 3rd round.

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#170 Rama Lama
March 04 2013, 04:48PM
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CaptainLander wrote:

Am inclined to agree and if there is a Superstar sleeper pick just take him in the 3rd round.

I think that we traded our third round pick.......Fistric?? I would not worry about our picks beyond the second.........we have no track record to speak of guys drafted in the third rounds and later...........at least not like Detroit.

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#171 Mikey
March 04 2013, 05:02PM
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Hayek wrote:

Yeah, fair enough. Except the thing is, this is just making a move to make a move, so it`s not doing anything to improve the team. Not like a 3rd or 4th round pick means a lot, but these are also assets that we could have used in a package for a trade that actually mattered. I wouldn`t ask for Tambo`s head because of this trade, but because of a string of moves made over the past couple years. The only positive move I can think of attributable to him, was claiming Jones off waivers.

Trading for a goon is not a good move, or something to get excited about. It`s pretty useless as this guy will play 8 minutes a night if he`s lucky. There are lots of 3rd and 4th liners in the NHL that can actually play hockey. The question is why we are not trading for these guys with our 3rd and 4th round picks.

Name 6 of them....

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#172 The Soup Fascist
March 04 2013, 05:13PM
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CaptainLander wrote:

Am inclined to agree and if there is a Superstar sleeper pick just take him in the 3rd round.

That should be easy. It is pretty common. Last Oilers superstar in the 3rd round was Mark Messier - only 33 drafts ago (in a double dip draft).

Granted that WAS a gooder. Best since then best 3rd rounder drafted by the Oilers was Kirk Maltby. That would be considered a "bit" of a drop off.

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#173 Mike B
March 04 2013, 05:43PM
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As a leaf fan, this is a loss for Toronto but a huge win for the Oilers. All the young talent now have tough guy who can skate and keep up with all that young talent. Huge win for Mike Brown and the Oilers. Just what you needed.

I am a closet Oiler fan (thanks to Oil Change) and if this team can stay together, another Dynasty is in the making.

Mike Brown, you deserved this trade and I am confident it is going to send your game to new heights. Congrats!

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#174 Wäx Män Riley
March 04 2013, 06:18PM
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justDOit wrote:

One possible exception:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/53/140590208_f6263845cc.jpg?v=1146792801

What does Jay Feaster have to do with this?

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#175 Hayek
March 04 2013, 07:07PM
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Mikey wrote:

Name 6 of them....

Seriously, are you trolling me here? Just look through lineups and at bottom 6 players.

BOS: Chris Kelly, Rich Peverly CHI: Daniel Carcillo, Brandon Saad WIN: Nik Antropov, Kyle Wellwood

I mean, pretty arbitrary, but I'm sure you could go through every team in the league and pick out 3 or 4 players on bottom 6 that would likely be an improvement over Mike Brown.

What's more interesting is players that were placed on waivers this year that would be an improvement over Brown, or veterans in the AHL that would be an improvment over Brown. If all we can say that Brown is an improvement over Hordichuk, it means nothing, since Hordichuk isn't even in the NHL anymore.

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#176 Oilfred
March 04 2013, 07:19PM
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Hayek wrote:

Seriously, are you trolling me here? Just look through lineups and at bottom 6 players.

BOS: Chris Kelly, Rich Peverly CHI: Daniel Carcillo, Brandon Saad WIN: Nik Antropov, Kyle Wellwood

I mean, pretty arbitrary, but I'm sure you could go through every team in the league and pick out 3 or 4 players on bottom 6 that would likely be an improvement over Mike Brown.

What's more interesting is players that were placed on waivers this year that would be an improvement over Brown, or veterans in the AHL that would be an improvment over Brown. If all we can say that Brown is an improvement over Hordichuk, it means nothing, since Hordichuk isn't even in the NHL anymore.

What a load of bull.

Seriosly the man is a useful peice and one that the team desperately needs at the moment.

One fight all year.

One.

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#177 Citizen David
March 04 2013, 08:05PM
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Hayek wrote:

Seriously, are you trolling me here? Just look through lineups and at bottom 6 players.

BOS: Chris Kelly, Rich Peverly CHI: Daniel Carcillo, Brandon Saad WIN: Nik Antropov, Kyle Wellwood

I mean, pretty arbitrary, but I'm sure you could go through every team in the league and pick out 3 or 4 players on bottom 6 that would likely be an improvement over Mike Brown.

What's more interesting is players that were placed on waivers this year that would be an improvement over Brown, or veterans in the AHL that would be an improvment over Brown. If all we can say that Brown is an improvement over Hordichuk, it means nothing, since Hordichuk isn't even in the NHL anymore.

You could not get any of those guys with a 3rd or 4th rounder.

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#178 Hayek
March 04 2013, 08:27PM
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Citizen David wrote:

You could not get any of those guys with a 3rd or 4th rounder.

Nonis admitted there was no room for brown on the Leafs roster with Frattin coming back. We could have gotten Brown for free off waivers.

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#179 Hayek
March 04 2013, 08:30PM
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T__Bone88 wrote:

I can't believe that people think giving up a 4th rounder is the end of the world. If that player drafted ever makes it to the NHL and that's a big IF it won't for at minimum four years. From that timeline Hall and Eberle's contracts will almost be finished so relax on the trade. It's not a bad trade, it's a warm body that can maybe be a spark plug to get other guys going.

It's not the end of the world, but the player in question isn't of NHL caliber. It's exaggerating but saying that Joey Moss for a 4th round pick means nothing. A 4th rounder is still worth something. A fringe NHLer that would have been put on waivers for a 4th rounder is terrible.

The fact is, Brown can't play hockey, he can only hit and fight. I thought we wanted a winning hockey team. Brown will get into fights, hit guys, take penalties, but he won't help score goals, play defence, or win games.

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#180 Citizen David
March 04 2013, 08:34PM
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Hayek wrote:

It's not the end of the world, but the player in question isn't of NHL caliber. It's exaggerating but saying that Joey Moss for a 4th round pick means nothing. A 4th rounder is still worth something. A fringe NHLer that would have been put on waivers for a 4th rounder is terrible.

The fact is, Brown can't play hockey, he can only hit and fight. I thought we wanted a winning hockey team. Brown will get into fights, hit guys, take penalties, but he won't help score goals, play defence, or win games.

I think you are undervaluing Brown.

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#181 Light, Sweet, Crude
March 04 2013, 08:38PM
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Citizen David wrote:

Give Brown a chance. And cheer like crazy for him. And for the Oilers for that matter.

Now we're talkin!

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#182 Hayek
March 04 2013, 08:49PM
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Citizen David wrote:

I think you are undervaluing Brown.

Maybe so, to be honest, I don't know a lot about him. I've seen him in a couple Lefs games, and he just seemed like a goon, and a guy who goes for big hits. He didn't show me anything offensively, and put himelf out of position to make a couple big hits on the other side.

I see 4th liner on a bad team, doesn't get points, get outshot like crazy, even compared to his teammates. So yeah, not pleased at all. If you take away fighting, and big hits (which both don't have impact on winning), what exactly does he bring?

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#183 Harlie
March 04 2013, 09:38PM
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looks like Adele from zulily has a hankering for Mike.

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#184 David S
March 04 2013, 09:43PM
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I'm no fan of this Brown signing, but what are the odds a 4th round pick eventually gets an NHL contract and even plays at all, let alone 8-10 minutes a night?

Jeez you guys, 4th round picks are throwaways at best. You spend one of those picks on an NHL player and consider it a good day.

http://theleafsnation.com/2011/3/10/the-value-of-an-nhl-draft-pick

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#185 Dog Train
March 04 2013, 09:45PM
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I was talking to a buddy of mine who is a big leafs fan and he was telling me how he wished that they would give Brown some more minutes because of the energy that he brings to the table. We could certainly use some guys who bring it every shift. I don't think it's too much of a risk but we could have had Sestito for nothing less than a week ago and that would have been my preferred move but that's just me.

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#186 Slats
March 04 2013, 10:48PM
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http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/story/?id=417305

Komisarek on the move as well -could this be the other trade Mr. Dithers has planned for??? Whitney + pick other way?

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#187 EHH Team
March 04 2013, 11:24PM
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Hayek wrote:

Nonis admitted there was no room for brown on the Leafs roster with Frattin coming back. We could have gotten Brown for free off waivers.

only if he isn't picked up by another team first

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#188 bazmagoo
March 05 2013, 12:26AM
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Solid pickup for the Oilers, really like the way Tambellini is managing the team. Always trying to pick up team guys who give it their all every night and are good team mates. We need more of that in our lineup. This can also free up Eager a little bit so he doesn't have to worry about answering the bell (not that he has been).

I see a consistent trend of bringing in players with a positive attitude, and that boads well for the future.

PS - Anyone who is still holding onto hope that we "should" be making the playoffs this year obviously hasn't watched enough hockey. Teams make the playoffs based on merit and consistency, both of which the young Oilers are sadly lacking. I'd be very happy if they finished 10th in the west, and the way they've played up until now that's a pretty big if.

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#189 andrewmk20
March 05 2013, 12:54AM
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@Todd

I'm confused are you agreeing with me or asking me to defend Tambo. Because I can't. He has stood pat and just crossed his fingers hoping the prospects will automatically fill the roles on the club that need filling. If he can't get anything done this offseason he should be fired before September rolls around. With MacT back in the fold as part of the management team and right below Tambo he should feel the pressure. Tambo cannot continue to draft and hope that the prospects can develop quickly enough to fill the roles on this team.

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#190 Mfdcap10
March 05 2013, 02:11AM
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A huge turning point for this organization is when the Oilers acquired Kevin McClelland and Marty McSorley. I wonder how many folks were loathing trading the soft albeit talented Tom Rolston for McClelland? How many goals is McClelland going to score?

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#191 pelhem grenville
March 05 2013, 06:10AM
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''..."Dave (Nonis) and I spoke awhile ago," explained Edmonton GM Steve Tambellini, "but it was only in the last few days that everything came together. I didn't want to hesitate...''

credit...sportsnet dot ca

...y'can't call him dithers anymore ...here's proof that he didn't wanna hesitate...

beware the Ides of March stevo

...beware!

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#192 CaptainLander
March 05 2013, 08:56AM
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2008 - Johan Motin 2007 - Linus Omark 2005 - Vande Velde 2005 - Vyacheslav Trukhno 2004 - Liam Reddox 2002 - Ivan Koltsov 2002 - Jonas Almtrop 2002 - Robin Kovar

Oiler Draft history on 4th round picks, I would be okay trading any one of these guys for Mike Brown, save maybe Vande Velde so relax on the whole 4th round pick is an asset thing. It is not much of one.

I made a comment earlier about taking a sleeper in the third, it was of course sarcasm. Sleeper picks are extremely rare, the idea the by giving up a 4th round pick the has a .02% chance of becoming a Zetterberg is ridiculous. You have the same chance of finding one ion any of your other late rounds. Do you really think Detroit new the players they were getting when the drafted them late? They got lucky, it was not their development strategy, it was luck pure luck the these guys turned out to be the players they are. Brown may be an NHL castoff, but he can be an effective NHL player. I am willing to give him a shot, what is he going to do make the Oilers worse? Maybe Hall won't have any more "leg injuries" if there is guy on the bench that will have his back.

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#193 Mikey
March 05 2013, 12:00PM
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Hayek wrote:

Seriously, are you trolling me here? Just look through lineups and at bottom 6 players.

BOS: Chris Kelly, Rich Peverly CHI: Daniel Carcillo, Brandon Saad WIN: Nik Antropov, Kyle Wellwood

I mean, pretty arbitrary, but I'm sure you could go through every team in the league and pick out 3 or 4 players on bottom 6 that would likely be an improvement over Mike Brown.

What's more interesting is players that were placed on waivers this year that would be an improvement over Brown, or veterans in the AHL that would be an improvment over Brown. If all we can say that Brown is an improvement over Hordichuk, it means nothing, since Hordichuk isn't even in the NHL anymore.

My bad, I was too vauge, name 6 of them that play 10min a night that you could trade for with just a 3/4 round pick....

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#194 Mikey
March 05 2013, 12:02PM
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The thing about taking other players cast offs is, you hope to get luckey maybe the guy turns into something more you never know.

I believe thier is a term for it. Uh yea Reclemation Project. We have all heard it before and even seen it, just not on the oilers...

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#195 Mfdcap10
March 05 2013, 01:35PM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

...McClelland was acquired waaay before the instigator rule too Mfdcap10...dunderheads(they were a good thing then) like he and others were all the rage back in the day and every contender had to have their 'skills' to get sh!t done...it was in fact Kevins' goal on the Island to beat the dreaded Islanders one nil in a playoff match that actually turned this franchise into the dynsty it became imo...yup a goal from secondary goonage... Mac, Marty and Sammy were all the ones who complimented the Linsmans Lowes Buchbergers and Donny Jacksons of our squad...a different era to be sure but if Mike Brown can upgrade the Hordichuk then so be it... but further... nobody should 'applaud' our GM for making this trade...it's one of the last ditch efforts of a lame duck walking dead GM.

Linesman feisty..... Lowe a good mix of positional play and toughness..... Bucky tough..... Don Jackson tough as nails.

What this team needs is two lines that put the fear into other teams, a physical line that can check, bang, and chip in, and a fourth line to bang and put fear into other teams. It's all about balance.

The oilers dearly need a line that hits everything that moves. Now the oilers need another banger to go with Eager and Brownie. Maybe Chris Nilan, Steve Ott, hell even Rafi if we could rehabilitate him.

When the games get to the point you're fighting for every inch of ice, you need to fight for it or else get chewed up and spit out. Work ethic breeds work ethic. Otherwise it's just the blind leading the blind. If the softies have no one to come to their aid, they'll just disappear until the next game when the going might not be so tough.

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#196 pelhem grenville
March 06 2013, 05:05AM
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...all good points BUT i'm not sure this GM can pull any of this off ...hmmm

Eager Brown and Torres?... the line from hell

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