YAK CITY FAITHFUL

Lowetide
March 06 2013 05:46PM

 

I'm hearing whispers that some Oiler fans believe the club made a mistake in drafting Nail Yakupov #1 overall. In times like these, it's important to remind ourselves of what the "experts" said at the time of the draft and about small sample sizes and how silly we can look in drawing short term conclusions.

I'm sure everyone has their own way of evaluating a new talent, but for Oiler fans the third #1 pick in a row should be easy to compare to......THE LAST TWO #1 OVERALL PICKS!

So, let's do that:

  • Ryan Nugent-Hopkins year 1: 22, 10-14-24 (1.09ppg) +3
  • Nail Yakupov year 1: 22, 6-6-12 (.545ppg) -10
  • Taylor Hall year 1: 22, 5-6-11 (.500ppg) -6

In his first 22 games, RNH scored 24 points and 10 goals. Since then, he's scored 9 goals in 59 games, and that gives us a really nice reminder that (say it with me....) we shouldn't judge players--especially young players--on small sample sizes. 

In regard to Nail Yakupov, here's what we can conclude from his first 22 NHL games: he's tremendously gifted, has an exceptional release, and is miles from being the player he'll become. I'm excited about watching him, and am thrilled he's doing so well, but it's clear the young man has some development in front of him and perhaps some growing up to do. 

No shame in that; show me a 19-year old who is mature and never makes an error of entusiasm and I'll show you one sad, sad teenager. 

TIL THEIR DYING DAY! 

Yakupov scored one of the truly famous goals of the entire season against Los Angeles early on. Nail--who was born in Russia--celebrated a huge goal for the Oilers with the kind of youthful joy that makes us all kids just by watching it. If there's anyone in the adult world who thought Yakupov made that sprint on purpose--or to show up the LAK--they're crazy. Seriously. 

WHERE DOES HE RANK?

Yakupov is 6th in points among rookies, tied for third in goals and ranks 10th in F time-on-ice per game. This is a marathon, not a sprint and Yakupov's season--although halfway over--promises to put him in prime offensive positions for the Oilers simply because they don't have a lot of other options who are better. 

Nail Yakupov is a skilled player. Among Oiler forwards, he's already among the 6 best available (he ranks 5th in points among Oiler forwards). 

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Nail Yakupov is an outstanding talent. Five years from now, maybe we'll be able to say that someone taken later in the draft turned out better, but it was a strong bet on draft day and it is a strong bet now. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, and don't listen to anyone who talks about "soft Euro's" or "acting like an idiot" in regard to Yakupov. 

He's a killer. When the tumblers click, this guy is going to kick ass from Boston to Vancouver. And his shot is going to be heard all the way to Kingston. 

 

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#1 MarcusBillius
March 06 2013, 05:49PM
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Jonathan Toews!

Good thing Kane has extra fun on his behalf. They're the odd couple of the NHL.

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#2 Muji
March 06 2013, 05:50PM
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Enigmatic.

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#3 MAC962
March 06 2013, 05:59PM
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Yak is 19. nuff said. I have ginch that old. He has passion and hates to lose. He has Character. He has a Stamkos like one timer, strong legs, picture him in 2-3 years AND Wants to learn, loves this city and his team mates. Go Yak !!

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#4 Citizen David
March 06 2013, 05:59PM
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The people who suggest trading Yak should give their head a shake. When he's in his prime, he's going to be a beast.

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#5 Will
March 06 2013, 06:08PM
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I still really like this pick as he brings something none of the other picks do, unbridled enthusiasm. While the others seem like they kind of expect to be there, Yak seems like he's still in awe that he's there.

However, why, why why haven't they tried a Hall Yak line?

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#6 PutzStew
March 06 2013, 06:25PM
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So Here's the Question. Choose 2 of these 3 that you are willing to keep.

Hemsky Eberle Yak

If there is to be balance on this line up then on of these three has to be turned into something else (eg a LW with Size, Third Line Center, Etc)

Personally I keep Eberle and Yak. What your say?

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#7 Mr. Pederson
March 06 2013, 07:04PM
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In that first video:

Pierre McGuire: "I don't think there's any way they were taking Nail Yakupov with the first overall pick."

To be fair, he may be talking about another team, but it's pretty hilarious in 20/20 hindsight.

I also love Duthie asking about going after potential free agent Justin Schultz and Tambellini's playing dumb on it.

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#8 Taylor Gang
March 06 2013, 07:06PM
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PutzStew wrote:

So Here's the Question. Choose 2 of these 3 that you are willing to keep.

Hemsky Eberle Yak

If there is to be balance on this line up then on of these three has to be turned into something else (eg a LW with Size, Third Line Center, Etc)

Personally I keep Eberle and Yak. What your say?

We've already established that Hemsky is the one who has to go. The question now is whether or not Tambellini has the stones to trade him.

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#9 Taylor Gang
March 06 2013, 07:09PM
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Yak stays. Better yet, all of our first overall picks stay. Of the fab 5, it seems Eberle lacks the most motivation. Would it be possible to trde Hemsky now for an okay defenseman, then Eberle for a franchise D down the road? Clearly one of the kids will have to go later, and Eberle has the lowest ceiling for potential.

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#10 Jeremy
March 06 2013, 07:21PM
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@Citizen David

Would you trade him for Seth Jones?

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#11 Taylor Gang
March 06 2013, 07:25PM
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Jeremy wrote:

Would you trade him for Seth Jones?

Trade for a player who's a year behind in development? No thanks Jeff

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#12 DigDeepNBleedBlue
March 06 2013, 07:25PM
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@Taylor Gang

I've been harping on Eberle recently. He needs to bring more in the form of energy, compete and some forecheck. I agree with you there. But, the kid is seriously talented and last game I watched him go in on the forecheck and lay a hit. Then I watched him drive hard to the net. It was nice to see. I'd bet Bordens he'll come around.

What's the basis for my argument? I've got a voodoo doll, half full can of Kokanee, a wooden hockey stick and a dime bag of oregano. That sh*t don't lie, dude.

I do also agree that Hemsky may have to go. Package him and something else for a top 4 D or a top 6 power forward and we're laughing all the way to the bank!

We shall see.

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#13 Quicksilver ballet
March 06 2013, 07:29PM
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The Oilers themselves didn't want to take Yakupov last June.

The Oilers were working Scott Howson to get that second selection to go along with having the first. If Howson would've taken the package the Oilers were offering, they were going to take Murray with the first pick, and Galchenyuk with that second selection. That would've left Yakupov to fall to 3 or even 4.

The actions leading up to the draft lead me to believe this is true. The Oilers publically state Murray's their guy the morning of the draft, they release their soon to be selection through the usually media puppets at their disposal sending oiler fans into a state of disbelief. Lowe wants Howson to believe his guy will be gone by the time the Jackets head to the podium, hoping to loosen Scotts grasp on that second pick.

Moments before the draft Jason Gregor (at the draft) has an opportunity to chat with Igor Larionov. Once Igor finds out he's from Edmonton, he states at a distance from Jasons booth where he's doing his radio program from (but still could be heard on the air) "Edmonton doesn't talk to me, i don't talk to Edmonton" Gregor is taken aback by Larionovs sudden dislike for Edmonton. Igor had gotten wind of what the Oilers were trying to do, letting his kid fall to 3 or even 4 in the draft.

Howson doesn't cooperate leaving the Oilers at the alter so to speak. Lowe and Tambellini remain seated at their table at the start of the draft hoping Scott Howson accepts their offer, they remain seated waiting so long they need to be reminded by the commisioner they're due up at the podium to start the proceedings. With only the first selection to be had now, that one and only selection had to be Nail Yakupov. I'd like to know where the Oilers offer fell short that afternoon. Oiler fans would've been dancing in the streets with both Galchenyuk and Murray in the fold. I'm sure if Kevin could go back he might sweeten that offer a little.

Getting to know and see Nail Yakupov has been a treat. I really hope for the Oilers sake and Yakupovs, he's an Oiler for a long long time.

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#14 Cody anderson
March 06 2013, 07:30PM
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Jeremy wrote:

Would you trade him for Seth Jones?

I sure would. Seth has potential Pronger/Chara dman written all over him.

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#15 Wäx Män Riley
March 06 2013, 07:32PM
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Mr. Pederson wrote:

In that first video:

Pierre McGuire: "I don't think there's any way they were taking Nail Yakupov with the first overall pick."

To be fair, he may be talking about another team, but it's pretty hilarious in 20/20 hindsight.

I also love Duthie asking about going after potential free agent Justin Schultz and Tambellini's playing dumb on it.

Hehehe....

Yes Tambellini PLAYING dumb about Schultz.

In reality, Tambo was saying in his head "Jeff Schultz? Doesn't he play in Washington? This Duthie guy has NO IDEA what he is talking about. Pffft.... free agent"

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#16 Jeffff
March 06 2013, 07:40PM
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Fire Lowe .

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#17 Cody anderson
March 06 2013, 07:42PM
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PutzStew wrote:

So Here's the Question. Choose 2 of these 3 that you are willing to keep.

Hemsky Eberle Yak

If there is to be balance on this line up then on of these three has to be turned into something else (eg a LW with Size, Third Line Center, Etc)

Personally I keep Eberle and Yak. What your say?

I trade Hemsky every day of the week. With the season he is having he has increased his value back up to where it should be.

I have been a Gagner supporter forever and blasted everyone that wanted to trade him for a Dman leaving Horcoff as our #2 Centre. This year he has looked gritteir, stronger, plus the points have been coming very consistantly. Finally a few people are starting to see his value.

That being said, if he continues to put up points at the rate he is on I would not shop him but I would certainly listen to offers as long as they included either a power forward and a centre prospect with size or a big young centreman. I don't think you need your centres to be big, but I do think having your only 2 centres with any offensive ability unable to win faceoffs kills you. It also makes putting Horcoff or Belanger on the ice a requirement in must score situations.

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#18 Citizen David
March 06 2013, 07:42PM
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Jeremy wrote:

Would you trade him for Seth Jones?

I wouldn't. Yakupov will be great. Jones looks like the real deal and if we win the lottery I'd take him but I wouldn't be willing to look like an idiot if Jones pulls a Eric Johnson and I gave up Yakupov for him. I wouldn't be surprised if Yakupov ends up being the highest point getter of all our players. Give him 3-4 more years and he'll be one of the best in the league.

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#19 DSF
March 06 2013, 07:49PM
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If you wanted an unbalanced team LT...Yakupov was the pick.

Galchenyuk would have been much smarter.

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#20 Cody anderson
March 06 2013, 07:49PM
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Offensively I think Yak is everything we hoped he would be before the draft.

Defensively he looks like a rookie.

Imagine how Hall, Nuge or Eberle would have faired without protected minutes, playing most of their minutes with 2 of Belanger, Petrell, Vandevelde or Eager.

His good minutes were with Hemsky who is very hard to play with. He is extremely hard to develop chemistry with.

I agree with the poster above I would love to see Yak and Hall on the 1st or second line. If this does not happen I would also be interested in seeing Paajarvi and Yak as wingers on either the first or second line.

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#21 Hammers
March 06 2013, 08:04PM
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What's with 5 years from now . We should have that answer in 3 not 5 .

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#22 Tim
March 06 2013, 08:13PM
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If there is one player that should maybe be traded before his stock falls to much is nuge. The guy last year, to me at least, wasn't all that impressive. He played alot of shelter minutes. Plus he doesnt really have the power/ability to cotroll the pass of the game. He would bring more help by being traded for a bigger, more experienced, first line centre.

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#23 DigDeepNBleedBlue
March 06 2013, 08:18PM
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Yakupov or Galchenyuk? So, that's the argument? Or even Murray? I suppose if you compare the two forwards right now Galchenyuk could be a better pick. But, that assumption is asinine based on half of a shortened season, regardless of what the stats suggest. Not to mention a rookie season. And, maybe better line mates for Gal? Me and my new can of beer think if you want to make a comparison to anyone that Stamkos is the better choice.

Look at both players first year and then look at.... oh, wait Yak's only played 22 career games. Must be a bust.

Both Yak and Stamkos are shooters. Shooters that score don't grow on trees and if Yak turns out to be similar to Stamkos then he was the best player available. Period.

Argue with me in two years when we have definitive results.

As for Murray. He seems to be a good D-man but he also seems more soft then abrasive. That's not what this team needs. They need a prick ala Pronger.

I miss Pronger. Hate him, but miss him like hell.

Me, my voodoo doll, now 3/4 filled can of beer, wooden hockey stick and dime bag of oregano think it's too early to tell either way, but we're very, very comfortable with the Yak selection.

Godspeed young man!

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#24 Guy Lafleur
March 06 2013, 08:24PM
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How about putting Yak City in some situations where he can GO , even a sniper like me would have a hard time scoring with the guys Yaks been playing with .OT and shoot out ..whats that ???

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#25 The Oilers Shot Clock
March 06 2013, 08:31PM
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I wonder if Popeye Jones even knows much about hockey. Maybe he went to Seth's games when he was a boy and just looked confused wondering wtf. I'll bet more than once he wished he was just a few inches taller.

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#26 DSF
March 06 2013, 08:32PM
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@Guy Lafleur

If he earned that kind of ice team he would get it.

He hasn't.

He's a defensive disaster.

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#27 Oilcountry
March 06 2013, 08:39PM
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I love this kid he has heart and character not to mention a rocket of a shot. In two years when this team is good and yaks is on pace for 40 goals there will be no argument at all.

This whole team and fan base need to relax and enjoy what's in front of us even know its frustrating as he'll to watch, I don't know why but I have a feeling after they have been eliminated from the playoffs and the pressure is off they will go on a run and if not we add another blue chip prospect and move on.

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#28 Oilcountry
March 06 2013, 08:39PM
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I love this kid he has heart and character not to mention a rocket of a shot. In two years when this team is good and yaks is on pace for 40 goals there will be no argument at all.

This whole team and fan base need to relax and enjoy what's in front of us even know its frustrating as he'll to watch, I don't know why but I have a feeling after they have been eliminated from the playoffs and the pressure is off they will go on a run and if not we add another blue chip prospect and move on.

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#29 Jeffff
March 06 2013, 08:41PM
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I think it is silly to talk about the core players, the problem is the philosophy of Oilers management. Lowe and Tambo have failed. They continue to draft the same player and refuse to make hard decisions to make the Oilers tougher on the puck. Since 2008 they have had this team, 3 number #1 picks and a gift of a potential #1 pick . 4 th coach in 5 years.

Objectively Lowe should be fired.

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#30 DSF
March 06 2013, 08:49PM
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Oilcountry wrote:

I love this kid he has heart and character not to mention a rocket of a shot. In two years when this team is good and yaks is on pace for 40 goals there will be no argument at all.

This whole team and fan base need to relax and enjoy what's in front of us even know its frustrating as he'll to watch, I don't know why but I have a feeling after they have been eliminated from the playoffs and the pressure is off they will go on a run and if not we add another blue chip prospect and move on.

Being able to play .500 hockey "after the pressure is off" is the sign of a team of losers.

Maybe you enjoy "what is in front of you" but, if you do, you would enjoy cheering for the Islanders.

In other news...the Toronto Maple Leafs now have odds of about 90% to make the playoffs.

It appears Burke knew what he was doing but like many team builders, won't be around to reap the accolades.

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#31 David S
March 06 2013, 08:50PM
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DSF wrote:

If he earned that kind of ice team he would get it.

He hasn't.

He's a defensive disaster.

Which normally wouldn't be a problem on a team whose defense wasn't a defensive disaster.

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#32 DSF
March 06 2013, 08:58PM
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David S wrote:

Which normally wouldn't be a problem on a team whose defense wasn't a defensive disaster.

Being that bad defensively is always a problem.

Nazem Kadri was similar so the Leafs sent him down for parts of two seasons to learn how to play in both ends of the ice.

This season....24GP 10G 14A 24P +13.

Yakupov should have been sent back to junior.

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#33 Jimmer
March 06 2013, 09:13PM
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Will history repeat itself?

Gretzky(C) - Kurri(RW) Messier(C) - Anderson(RW)that shot left

Nuge(C) - Eberle(RW) Hall(C) - Yakupov(RW)that shoots left

Hall should be a centre in my opinion.

Totally unfair comparison..without question.

However, why in God's name would anyone want to ever trade even one of these four studs?

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#34 Quicksilver ballet
March 06 2013, 09:13PM
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@DSF

The way the Oilers have stapled his arse to the bench, i tend to agree with you. He's learning didly squat from the bench.

FREE THE YAK!

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#35 DSF
March 06 2013, 09:23PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

The way the Oilers have stapled his arse to the bench, i tend to agree with you. He's learning didly squat from the bench.

FREE THE YAK!

Yep.

Doesn't matter how "dynamic" you look on offence if the the other team is treating you like a turnstile.

Rookie plus/minus.

Gallagher +10

Saad +6

Galchenyuk +5

Zabinajed +3

Shore +1

Conacher +0

Tarasenko -1

Huberdeau -1

Hamilton -3

Schultz -7

Yakupov -10

Please note that Huberdeau and Shore play for the worst +- team in the entire NHL.

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#36 DSF
March 06 2013, 09:24PM
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Jimmer wrote:

Will history repeat itself?

Gretzky(C) - Kurri(RW) Messier(C) - Anderson(RW)that shot left

Nuge(C) - Eberle(RW) Hall(C) - Yakupov(RW)that shoots left

Hall should be a centre in my opinion.

Totally unfair comparison..without question.

However, why in God's name would anyone want to ever trade even one of these four studs?

Because the team is crap?

Is that a good reason?

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#37 Walter Sobchak
March 06 2013, 09:25PM
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DSF wrote:

Being that bad defensively is always a problem.

Nazem Kadri was similar so the Leafs sent him down for parts of two seasons to learn how to play in both ends of the ice.

This season....24GP 10G 14A 24P +13.

Yakupov should have been sent back to junior.

Why's that? So he can score 60 goals? He was poorly coached.

Like LT said, show me a 19 year old who is a dominate player right out of the CHL.

With the way everyone talks about getting rid of the kids it's lie being back in the late 90's early 2000

Remember when the Oilers cashed in players like

Marchand - Arnott - Cleary - Maltby - Weight - Guerin - Cujo - Satan -

Can you imagine if Vancover would have gotten rid of the sisters after posting ridiculously below average numbers for 20 year olds.

It takes time.

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#38 DSF
March 06 2013, 09:40PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Why's that? So he can score 60 goals? He was poorly coached.

Like LT said, show me a 19 year old who is a dominate player right out of the CHL.

With the way everyone talks about getting rid of the kids it's lie being back in the late 90's early 2000

Remember when the Oilers cashed in players like

Marchand - Arnott - Cleary - Maltby - Weight - Guerin - Cujo - Satan -

Can you imagine if Vancover would have gotten rid of the sisters after posting ridiculously below average numbers for 20 year olds.

It takes time.

19 year olds who dominate out of junior?

Crosby - 39G 109P

Stamkos - 51G 95P

Kane - 25G 75P

Giroux 16G 47P

Malkin - 33G 85P

Thornton - 16G 41P

Toews - 24G 54P

Should I go on?

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#39 Ralp
March 06 2013, 09:40PM
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The Oilers have made the playoffs only twice over the past 10 years last 5 years 4 different coaches.

What is the common denominator?

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#40 wiseguy
March 06 2013, 09:41PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

The Oilers themselves didn't want to take Yakupov last June.

The Oilers were working Scott Howson to get that second selection to go along with having the first. If Howson would've taken the package the Oilers were offering, they were going to take Murray with the first pick, and Galchenyuk with that second selection. That would've left Yakupov to fall to 3 or even 4.

The actions leading up to the draft lead me to believe this is true. The Oilers publically state Murray's their guy the morning of the draft, they release their soon to be selection through the usually media puppets at their disposal sending oiler fans into a state of disbelief. Lowe wants Howson to believe his guy will be gone by the time the Jackets head to the podium, hoping to loosen Scotts grasp on that second pick.

Moments before the draft Jason Gregor (at the draft) has an opportunity to chat with Igor Larionov. Once Igor finds out he's from Edmonton, he states at a distance from Jasons booth where he's doing his radio program from (but still could be heard on the air) "Edmonton doesn't talk to me, i don't talk to Edmonton" Gregor is taken aback by Larionovs sudden dislike for Edmonton. Igor had gotten wind of what the Oilers were trying to do, letting his kid fall to 3 or even 4 in the draft.

Howson doesn't cooperate leaving the Oilers at the alter so to speak. Lowe and Tambellini remain seated at their table at the start of the draft hoping Scott Howson accepts their offer, they remain seated waiting so long they need to be reminded by the commisioner they're due up at the podium to start the proceedings. With only the first selection to be had now, that one and only selection had to be Nail Yakupov. I'd like to know where the Oilers offer fell short that afternoon. Oiler fans would've been dancing in the streets with both Galchenyuk and Murray in the fold. I'm sure if Kevin could go back he might sweeten that offer a little.

Getting to know and see Nail Yakupov has been a treat. I really hope for the Oilers sake and Yakupovs, he's an Oiler for a long long time.

J Schultz chances of signing here this past summer would've decreased if we had drafted Murray. Would you prefer galchenyuk and Murray minus some draft picks and maybe hemsky vs. keeping hemsky, draft picks, Schultz and Yak?

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#41 They're $hittie
March 06 2013, 09:48PM
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@DSF

convenient you left gagner off your list,

also yak is on pace for a 44 point season over 82 games, that would put him ahead of one on your list and right below another.

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#42 Time Travelling Sean
March 06 2013, 09:50PM
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You can only learn so much from Jr. He was already one of the best players down there, what would one more year have taught him? You don't learn defense from playing against 17/18 year old D-man and Goalies who probably don't have the stuff to play in the German league.

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#43 voom04
March 06 2013, 09:51PM
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i remember a guy by the name of Brett Hull that couldnt play defense and couldnt skate either, wasnt good enuff 4 calgary, only guy i`ve seen that can shoot like Brett is Yak.

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#44 Time Travelling Sean
March 06 2013, 09:53PM
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Also wait until the season is over before you start saying Gally is better and Hubby is a triple digit threat. Rookies tend to have more highs and lows over a season than vets.

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#45 Walter Sobchak
March 06 2013, 09:58PM
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DSF wrote:

19 year olds who dominate out of junior?

Crosby - 39G 109P

Stamkos - 51G 95P

Kane - 25G 75P

Giroux 16G 47P

Malkin - 33G 85P

Thornton - 16G 41P

Toews - 24G 54P

Should I go on?

First thing, Crosby and Stamkos are generational talents so fine I'll concede that.

Thornton had 7.....that's right 7 points as a 19 year old.

Giroux, never even played a full season as a 19 year old, he split his time with the Phantoms

Malkin, also 20 years old.

Kane had Toews, also the Chicago defence was infinitely better when they joined the club.

A luxury the Oilers kid don't have.

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#46 DSF
March 06 2013, 10:02PM
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Yakupov is on pace, over an 82 game season, to post a -40.

That is historically bad.

Kid doesn't even know where his end of the ice is located.

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#47 Oiler Al
March 06 2013, 10:04PM
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Yep.

Doesn't matter how "dynamic" you look on offence if the the other team is treating you like a turnstile.

Rookie plus/minus.

Gallagher +10

Saad +6

Galchenyuk +5

Zabinajed +3

Shore +1

Conacher +0

Tarasenko -1

Huberdeau -1

Hamilton -3

Schultz -7

Yakupov -10

Please note that Huberdeau and Shore play for the worst +- team in the entire NHL.

Yak is not the only plus/minus on the team.. al most the entire team is a minus. I think Krueger is sending him down to the 3 line, with hope that he picks up his defensive game. Not sure how much he can learn from Belanger?

There is no doubt at this time the kid seems lost out there... this is not Jr. hockey, where a player can dangle around half the game.

With good coaching he will be a player in the NHL.

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#48 DigDeepNBleedBlue
March 06 2013, 10:08PM
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Stamkos' rookie season:

GP 79 G 23 A 23 PT 46 -13

Yak on pace for:

GP 48 G 13 A 13 PT 26 -22

These are the facts.

I think one can project that over a full season Yak would be very close to Stamkos' numbers, even the plus/minus.

But, I hate this type argument because people are just different from one another. One guy could develop earlier than the other. What's more important is understanding what raw talent this rook has and the potential for him to become elite.

Rooks make mistakes. Stamkos made lots.

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#49 DSF
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@DigDeepNBleedBlue

See how much better Stamkos is?

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#50 DigDeepNBleedBlue
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DSF wrote:

See how much better Stamkos is?

That's your retort?

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