NASHVILLE: DOUBLE FISTING FRIDAY

Jason Gregor
March 08 2013 12:15PM

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Friday is one of the best days of week. The work week is over, you look forward to a few days off and you've usually got something planned. Most of you will watch tonight's game in Nashville despite how frustrated you were watching last night's game in Detroit.

That's what Oiler fans do. You're a veteran when it comes to dealing with hockey disappointment. You loathe the feeling, yet you still show up and watch the next game. Despite this seemingly endless cycle of losing, you still find the strength and courage to watch your beloved Oilers.

You went to bed last night with the intention to do anything but watch the Oiler game tonight. However, just like when you know that extra shooter at 1 a.m. will make you feel worse in the morning, you just can't say no, and tonight you will hunker down and watch the Oilers battle the Predators.

Don't worry you aren't alone. Thousands of Oiler fans feel the exact same way, and if you want company to drown your sorrows you'll find hundreds of Oiler fans watching at the Pint off Whyte tonight.

LINEUP

At this point does it really matter? Just ice 18 skaters who will play smart and with the intensity and passion necessary to compete in the NHL.

Ales Hemsky will be a game time decision after being hit by a puck last night. If he can't go Lennart Petrell or Ben Eager draw in. Not a great trade off.

Also Chris Vande Velde has been sent down to OKC, which is a bit odd considering Shawn Horcoff isn't ready yet. Moving Smyth back to C, where he has to skate more, on back-to-back nights is a tad perplexing.

This team's "Give-A-Crap" meter needs to increase, so who plays where is secondary.

Devan Dubnyk is a better goalie than Yann Danis. Dubnyk can handle playing back-to-back and on paper he gives them the best chance to win, which is why he'll start tonight. Many didn't like the first goal last night, and I can respect that, but until the Oilers produce some offence it is hard to blame the goalie.

It might not be fair, but Dubnyk has to stand on his head until the Oilers score the first goal of the game. If they score first they will have a chance.

QUICK HITS

Some have suggested that hitting can impact the outcome of games and some say it doesn't. 

It is hard to argue either side with any accuracy, since the statisticians/hit counters from building to building all judge a hit differently, but that is all we have to go on so let's take a close look at the Oilers record when they out hit the opposition and when they get out hit.

I didn't include the four games that went to SO, since winning or losing that way isn't "real" hockey. The Oilers went 2-2 in shootout.

Let's start with games the Oilers get out shot, but they out hit the opposition. 

Location Dec  Opp  GF  GA  SF  SA  HF HA
Road L MIN 2 4 21 43 16 15
Road L CGY 3 4 20 35 19 14
Road O CHI 2 3 19 34 42 29
Road W CBJ 3 1 14 40 26 13
Road L DET 3 0 22 28 26 15

Not great. They are 1-3-1 and the only win came when Devan Dubnyk was outstanding.

Here are games where the Oilers have out hit the opposition, but this time they out shot them or were tied in shots. Tied in shots or hits only happened once, so I chose to keep it in. 

Location Dec  Opp  GF  GA  SF  SA  HF HA
Home L DAL 1 4 36 29 26 25
Road W DAL 5 1 38 34 29 28
Home W COL 6 4 56 29 34 33
Home L MIN 3 1 28 28 34 19

Oilers went 2-2. What is interesting is that in the nine games the Oilers have out hit the opposition 6 came on the road and 3 came at home. Tyler Dellow wrote an article that illustrated how across the league the home building usually marks hits in favour of the home team, but so far this year that isn't the case with the Oilers.

In total the Oilers are 3-5-1 in games where they've out hit the opposition.

Here is the Oilers record when they've been out hit and out shot. 

Location Dec  Opp  GF  GA  SF  SA  HF HA
Road L STL 2 4 17 30 16 27
Home L LAK 1 3 24 38 17 32
Road L DET 1 2 24 30 14 24
Road L COL 1 3 26 40 16 25
Home L SJS 3 6 29 31 11 13
Home O VAN 2 3 25 40 17 19
Road W PHX 2 1 21 28 24 44
Home W COL 4 1 27 38 25 26

The Oilers are 2-5-1 and not surprisingly these games were some of their worst efforts of the season.

Lastly, here is the Oilers record in games they've been out hit, but out shot the opposition.

Home W LAK 2 1 39 31 12 18
Home O DAL 2 3 29 28 10 12

The Oilers went 1-0-1. Also of note they were out hit in 6 home games and 4 road games. When you consider Dellow's article about home bias, it means either the Oilers stats guys call it as they see it, or they used their bias just to make it look close. Likely the former.

TOTALS

The Oilers are 3-5-1 when they've out hit the opposition and are 3-5-2 when they've been out hit. Basically they have the same record whether they out hit a team or get out hit. They lose either way, which is the most concerning.

I don't believe the majority of hits have a direct factor in the outcome of most games, the odd big hit that leads directly to a goal can, but most are used to hopefully wear down the opposition or make them rush a pass that could lead to a scoring chance.

When I suggest the Oilers need to be grittier and tougher it isn't just about hits, far from it actually. I've never said they just need a guy who can hit. I wrote yesterday why I think they added Mike Brown, because he'll be an improvement over Ben Eager. Brown won't be taking minutes away from more "skilled" players.

Make no mistake, when I talk about the need for grit and toughness it is more about a dedication to out working the opposition. Stop turning the puck over at the offensive blueline (mental toughness), don't be afraid to take the puck to the net and win more one-on-one battles. Some of those battles will involve body contact, but many  will just be a flat out battle to get the puck. The Oilers need to start winning more of them and start playing smarter.

The bigger concern for the Oilers is their inability to get shots on net. Not surprisingly the Oilers are 2-8-2 when they've been out shot and 3-2-1 when they've outshot the opposition. Again, just using shot totals as the main factor in losses would be deceiving as well, but it does give you an indication of how the game will end.

Take last night for instance. The Oilers were outshot 28-22 which doesn't look awful, but David Staples had the scoring chances were 22 to 6. That's brutal.

Either way the Oilers need to improve many aspects of their game, but suggesting that hitting hurts the Oilers is misleading. They have much bigger concerns that if they are hitting too much.

POSITIVE FRIDAY

GAME DAY PREDICTION: The good news is that the Oilers can't possibly play worse than they did last night, and last year they crushed the Predators 6-2 and 6-3 in Nashville. I see a better effort, but it results in a 3-2 SO loss.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The sight of Adrianna Lima gets you in a better mood. Sometimes you just need some "Lima-Time." With Horcoff's return getting closer, many will say how much the team misses him. Of course this means the end of the world is coming, but at leat you got to see Lima one more time.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Lima will read this post and send me a tweet thanking me for the support. She also offers to mail 100 Nation readers a never-been-seen-before-behind-the-scenes calender of her most recent photo shoot if the Oilers win. Just when you thought a loss couldn't hurt anymore than it does now.... 

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#51 justDOit
March 09 2013, 01:43AM
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Double fisting indeed - and I'm not talking about drinking!

Ouch. That hurt.

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#52 106 and 106
March 09 2013, 04:44AM
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I miss Shawn Horcoff.

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#53 Spurzey
March 09 2013, 08:20AM
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Mom just went back to the kitchen. This is a fackin joke. I have the opportunity to flip the tv on at work to watch the game and I chose not to. I kept working!!

ps. never broke my legs

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#54 Gerald R. Ford
March 09 2013, 08:35AM
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Whenever we, the fans, have to eat one of the many, massive crap pies that the NHL puts on our plates (labour disputes, insane prices, way too many teams watering down the product), the league, the individual teams, and the all-knowing MSM tell us, "Shut up, fan. It's a business. You don't know anything about business. This is all necessary, and just the way it is."

Well, Daryl Katz is not running this franchise like a business. The "optics", as Stauffer used to love to say, are that he's running it like a very expensive hobby. He's a fanboy, not an owner, who desperately wants to make it 1984 and, be a boy on the bus. This horrific dark cloud must be lifted. Every game feels like a wake, not a celebration. We are now looking back NOSTALGICALLY, longing for those ragtag, held-together-with-duck-tape-and-chewing-gum teams of the late 90s and early 2000s, who had almost zero talent, but sacks of forged steel, and enough guts and pride to limp into the playoffs, just long enough to be cannon fodder for Dallas.

NO MORE!

The line must be drawn HERE! This far! No further! If this is a business, let's see some accountability, like everyone in the real world has to deal with everyday.

Cuz, this bitch is ugly, and we have had enough!

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#55 A-Mc
March 09 2013, 08:59AM
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Ouch. These games are hurting me, Oilers. Plz stop

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#56 michael
March 09 2013, 09:05AM
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Get out the pitchfork,Get out the firebrands.Lets all march down to Oilers head office and demand everyone get traded.

Breath everyone. 6-0. The one comment I read related the 11-0 loss to the Hartford Whalers back in 82-83.You want to see angry then you should have been lucky enough to be an Oiler fan back in the day when guys like Coffey ere being traded every second game by the fans because he coughed up the puck so much. Messier. Trade the bum. He was nothin without Gretzky who with Kuri was injured at the time of that 11-0 loss.

The loss last night was ugly for all sorts of reasons. The biggest is that the Oilers now have gone 2 games without drawing a penalty.Big neon sign on QE@.It says "NO Effort". If you don't draw a penalty in 2 games it means that you are not working hard enough to make the other team take a penalty. No matter who you are you can't explain that stat away.That is a big time red flag.

The best Oiler in the past 2 games.Mike Brown. 2cd best MP. Worst.Ebs and RNH.They are getting schooled right now like nobody's buisness. Time to sit them in the press box and give them a rest for a couple of games. They look mentally exhausted. The seasons lack of production is starting to erode their confidence to a point that they are becoming ineffectual. They need to step back no matter the cost to the team. Horcoff is back against Chicago. If Hemsky is ready play Horc,Hemsky and Smyth as your first line for the night and Gagner,Hall and Yak. Belanger,Jones and MP.Petrell,Brown and Eager as the fourth line.

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#57 Hemipower
March 09 2013, 09:14AM
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I'm mad too and feel like throwing up but this is not a management problem right now.

The players are not playing with any intensity or heart. They are NOT shooting on net. If Eberle or Hall does one more toe drag instead of shooting - I will puke. The one chance last night, Eberle toe-dragged and ended up in the corner with the puck. Ther was 2 trailer's coming in on that play and would have banged in the rebound if Ebs shot it onto the goalie!

It is like 5they are protesting to Kreuger or the system isn't working. I will add I am extremely dissapointed how Krueger is failing to rile up and motivate the players's. I thought he would excel at that.

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#58 Hemipower
March 09 2013, 09:18AM
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@michael

Props - I am still o.k. with the suffering and losses. It is the lack of effort which is so dis-heartening. Firing management won't solve anything, in fact it could make it worse.

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#59 Hayek
March 08 2013, 12:25PM
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Well we will probably lose today, but no problem, we are used to it by now.

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#60 Hayek
March 08 2013, 12:30PM
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I know Oilers think that Seth Jones is the answer, because he's a good defender. But Johnathan Druin is the real deal. Please can we get Druin. With talented forwards such as him on a stacked young team, signing UFA defenders will not be a problem.

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#61 bdiddy18
March 08 2013, 12:32PM
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In positive friday spirit - Oilers win and then look at standing and realize oh my gawd Canucks are stinking up the joint we are only 5 pts back and they have a "real" team.

This will inspire them for maybe a game or two.

on stats - would love to see the Oilers record when Yakopov legitmate starter in top 6 vs Yakopov buried in bottom 6 lines

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#62 OilDieHard
March 08 2013, 12:33PM
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another chance tonight to throw something at my TV screen.

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#63 Gitagrip
March 08 2013, 12:35PM
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As long as our team is entertaining to watch losses & statistics don't matter........hey, wait a minute.

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#64 The 'Real' Ron Burgundy
March 08 2013, 12:38PM
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@Jason Gregor

"The good news is that the Oilers can't possibly play worse than they did last night."

This is something that I've said after the Minnesota game, then again after the Columbus game, and yet again after Detroit.

The odds are definitely in my favor to say it once again after tonite.

Whats your take on what is going on inside that room. They've been so obviously "mail-in' in the games of late" that something had to have happened.

Ronald

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#65 Ducey
March 08 2013, 12:41PM
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John Chambers wrote:

You know what the Oilers really need to do to perform better?

Age

Unless they have too much age; then they need Viagra

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#66 mr_nihilism
March 08 2013, 12:42PM
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Oh, wait, the team that has a difficult time putting pucks in the net doesn't have their top scorer (shoot the puck, Hemsky!) in the line-up tonight? Count me out for watching the game. I have a book I've been meaning to read.

Hope they win, but, yeah...whatever.

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#67 Quicksilver ballet
March 08 2013, 12:43PM
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Tambellini/Lowes blind eye method of managing will have to eventually bear fruit. Lets just keep our eyes on the prize Oilersnation. Jones or Drouin/MacKinnon or bust! Taylor Hall isn't the leader we were hoping he'd be yet, he still looks to be a year or two away from being that guy. Drouin,Hall and Yakupov, coming to an arena near you this fall.

Been keeping an eye on Dubnyk this season, he's been on, moreso than off this season. In this 5 goal a game (league average per game), anything creeping up or above a 2.5 GAA is iffy territory with the current offensive output on this club right now. Still no answer on if he can be that No.1 goaltender.

3 zip Predators ;)

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#68 Hurry Hard
March 08 2013, 12:53PM
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There have been a few nights I have kicked myself in the behind for not headin' out to the Brier eh. 'specially last night. I may of had some excitement watching people on ice.

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#69 Quicksilver ballet
March 08 2013, 12:55PM
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That shot Hemmer took to the ankle last night. They should take another Polaroid of it when they get home from this roadtrip. They might find a different result.

Have to wonder if it'll be his decision to be in the lineup tonight, or the Oilers.

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#70 Gazmort
March 08 2013, 01:03PM
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I echo the sentiments of the person telling themselves "there has to be a better effort tonight" after the Minnesota, Columbus, and Detroit games.

Yikes.

For the first time in a while, I will not be making an effort to watch this game. No PVR, no adjustment of friday night dinner with friends. Nothing. Not worth it.

It's come to this...eep.

Sad day. Something's gotta give here. I remain ok with a non-playoff season, but why is there no energy in this group to at least compete hard?!

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#71 DigDeepNBleedBlue
March 08 2013, 01:04PM
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Nice stats. Very interesting to see those. Not to mention Lima. Damn! Maybe I'm from that old school train of thought, but I believe hitting does play a significant role in winning. If not in just showing a team's effort. But, yeah, gotta win some puck battles, some races for the puck and all that jive.

To me the 2nd period last night showed NO effort. That to me is the underlying issue. Jones, Eager, Belanger and other's need to step it up.

I think energy can be created from a hit or a fight. Though, that wasn't evident after Brown's wicked tilt against Tootoo last night. Great job by both warriors! To me, the problem lies within the other players on the bench. They didn't get inspired. Why? Search that soul, boys! You're wearing the blue.

Smyth should be out for a game. He needs a rest. He's looking more and more like his best years are behind him. Hard to say what to do with him. He deserves respect from the team, but not at cost of success. Talk about a tough decision for mgmt.

I agree Horcoff is missed, but would stress two players that use their size to hit and play tough minutes are missed just as much. Fistric and Hartikainen. Fistric's absence has been very evident.

"Just ice 18 skaters who will play smart and with the intensity and passion necessary to compete in the NHL."

I'll drink to that when beer O'clock hits. Nice read. Lets go Oil!

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#72 Milli
March 08 2013, 01:05PM
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I called Tambo and offered to waive my no trade!!!!

so, Oilers win 6-1

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#73 Gazmort
March 08 2013, 01:08PM
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Love the mullet, but Smyth is done. Totally gassed, basically all the time. Makes it look like he isn't trying but I think it's just that he's too tired. Poor guy; I feel for him.

I'm reminded of the shake-up trade that saw St. Louis trade Johnson to Colorado for Stewart and Shattenkirk (iirc) - is it possible the Oilers do a major shake-up like this with one of the supposed untouchables? I dunno how I would feel about it...I just wonder if McTavish would have the stones to do it.

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#74 lolhockey
March 08 2013, 01:14PM
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I have nothing interesting to say but I will offer my predictions for the night.

Oilers will get outshot, outhit & outplayed.

Smyth takes a penalty.

One of the "youg guns" (lol) gets injured.

Oilers lose either by a blow out or a "close game".

Kruger will say it was a learning experience.

Tambi/Lowe do nothing.

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#75 Hayek
March 08 2013, 01:17PM
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John Chambers wrote:

You know what the Oilers really need to do to perform better?

Age

Totally agree with you. I was not arguing that at any point though. We have improved these past 2 years on a pretty consistent path.

I'm not saying one draft pick will be the answer, but saying that if we get the opportunity, Druin is far more likely to be a homerun compared to Jones.

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#76 Hayek
March 08 2013, 01:20PM
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Yep wrote:

Now I KNOW you are just trolling with all you wacky posts.

Excuse me? I would say people like you are the trolls. You don't offer anything insgihtful. Maybe contribute to the conversation.

I did't know why making a case for Druin over Jones is making people like you so aggressive.

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#77 StHenriOilBomb
March 08 2013, 01:21PM
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hit statistics, while totally inconsistent, are also a strange indicator of success. Sure, it's a success to land a good body check when one is available, but the less a team has the puck, the more chances they will get to make a hit. Hits without winning the puck mean much less, but if player A fails to take the puck on the first hit, player B may have a chance at a second hit, and so-on.

Chicago has only one player in the top 50 in hits this year. They always have the puck. Edmonton has 2, and the Islanders have 2 in the top 10. http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics/player/_/stat/defensive/sort/hits

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#78 PapaMike
March 08 2013, 01:24PM
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$66 MILLION for Getzlaf. Yikes, that seems a wee bit high for me. I wonder if there is a way we can get Perry out here?

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#79 Hayek
March 08 2013, 01:29PM
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lolhockey wrote:

I have nothing interesting to say but I will offer my predictions for the night.

Oilers will get outshot, outhit & outplayed.

Smyth takes a penalty.

One of the "youg guns" (lol) gets injured.

Oilers lose either by a blow out or a "close game".

Kruger will say it was a learning experience.

Tambi/Lowe do nothing.

Pretty much agree with you, although not happy that we are playing poorly.

Don't understand the complaints on the hitting though. Oilers are 19th in the league in hits (and 11th in the league in road hits which better corrects for collection bias).

If you are a fan of hitting being important (which I am not), Oilers actually don't stack up poorly in this catagory.

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#80 A-Mc
March 08 2013, 01:30PM
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My new philosophy is that i'm going to predict oilers Losses every time. If they lose, i win. if they win, I'm pleasantly proven wrong.

Oilers lose 2-1

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#81 Hayek
March 08 2013, 01:32PM
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StHenriOilBomb wrote:

hit statistics, while totally inconsistent, are also a strange indicator of success. Sure, it's a success to land a good body check when one is available, but the less a team has the puck, the more chances they will get to make a hit. Hits without winning the puck mean much less, but if player A fails to take the puck on the first hit, player B may have a chance at a second hit, and so-on.

Chicago has only one player in the top 50 in hits this year. They always have the puck. Edmonton has 2, and the Islanders have 2 in the top 10. http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics/player/_/stat/defensive/sort/hits

Great insights, I know I couldn't have said it better.

Don't you find it a bit amusing that fans here are asking for stuff like grit, fighting, etc when we are being outshot and outscored so much? Don't you think even casual fans would demand players who score more?

If you look at Oilers' bottom 6 scoring vss rest of the league, that picture really illustrates why we are outscored and outshot so often.

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#82 Hayek
March 08 2013, 01:38PM
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mr_nihilism wrote:

Stop playing along the perimeter so much? Less cute maneuvers that result in absolutely nothing? Spending quality time in the opposition zone? Putting in a genuine effort? Suddenly gaining height and weight in order to compete with the men in the league?

"Cute manueuvers that result in absolutely nothing," is a pretty biased statement. For the times that it fails, you are being results orientated and pointing it out. Yet the countless times it succeeds and result in a goal, or a drawn penalty are the opportunity cost to just dumping it in.

I would agree with you that less mistakes, especially in bad occurances is something that can be worked on (turnovers at blue line). However just realize there is a reward for attempting to keep possession of the puck, and not just play along the boards. Playing along the boards, or giving up possession results in very low probabilities of scoring.

Giving up the puck trying to get to a scoring area, or losing the puck in the corner both result in a loss of possession.

The question really is to maximize the amount of scoring chances created. Not saying this is all "cute or fancy play" but the solution is not this lunchpail dump it in the corner either.

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#83 Carbon Bob
March 08 2013, 01:46PM
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@Jason Gregor

This team is suffering from lack of confidence and thats solely a coaching problem.

Forget all that crap about motivation speaking. Coaches need to disband the idea of expectations, present players with baby steps and simple tasks to get their mojo back.

CB

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#84 westcoastoil
March 08 2013, 01:46PM
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If someone could send out a tweet or a post the next time a Oiler forward drives hard to that funny looking spot where the ice is blue let me know. I'll turn the channel back to hockey.

In the meantime, as of the standings today Jay Feaster is out-managing the Oilers brain-trust, and we are once again looking up at the Flames in the standings...and they just got Kipper back.

I wish that irritated the brass as much as it does me.

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#85 Marcus
March 08 2013, 01:55PM
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Gregor wrote:

"Most of you will watch tonight's game in Nashville despite how frustrated you were watching last night's game in Detroit."

No doubt I'll tune into this road game too. Watching it for free is one thing, but for the love of Gretzky himself, please stop paying money to watch this crap at Rexall everyone. The booze we all need to stomach this brand of hockey right now is far cheaper in your living room than Daryl K's. Send the message.

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#86 Time Travelling Sean
March 08 2013, 01:56PM
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Why did we pay Hall 6M a year? He only scored 27 goals once. If he becomes the player we think he'll be, that's when you pay him.

Trade Gags or Hemmer or someone and Anaheim's 2nd for Carlson please. I love him.

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#87 John Chambers
March 08 2013, 02:04PM
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mr_nihilism wrote:

Stop playing along the perimeter so much? Less cute maneuvers that result in absolutely nothing? Spending quality time in the opposition zone? Putting in a genuine effort? Suddenly gaining height and weight in order to compete with the men in the league?

All of these things are a function of experience.

At the very least the young core need some reliable vets.

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#88 TigerUnderGlass
March 08 2013, 02:07PM
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@Jason Gregor

suggesting that hitting hurts the Oilers is misleading.

Has anyone actually suggested this? The argument is that hitting more will not help a team win and may indicate that they are losing the possession battle.

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#89 randyrubble
March 08 2013, 02:12PM
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John Chambers wrote:

You know what the Oilers really need to do to perform better?

Age

Droin is too small we need Barkov

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#90 Mac962
March 08 2013, 02:20PM
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Preds are a hard working team , if Pekka is on , the OIL go down. 4-1 Preds and Ralph will be happy and say they played 12 minutes of solid hockey and that was a good sign.

Hey RK, if you are such a motivational speaker wtf is it you are exactly saying to this group ? It aint working Ralphy. And why is VV back in OKC ? Trade brewing ? Horcoff taking draws from the press box ? Smyth ? r u kidding me. I have never seen a player hit the wall of retirement as hard as Smyth. Man you are done, everyone sees it and knows it. By the time you get to the front of the net now the play is on its way back into our end ...as usual. ELPH Hockey once again already.

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#91 Phixieus666
March 08 2013, 02:29PM
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randyrubble wrote:

Droin is too small we need Barkov

or Frederick Gauthier the 6'5" monster. So apparently the ducks veiw think Getz is as good a player as Crosby. That salary is just retarded, or wait Burkie is back there isn't he. Now it makes sense, over paid for Grabovski as well and who can forget the Kessel mess.

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#92 Taylor Gang
March 08 2013, 02:32PM
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Why did we pay Hall 6M a year? He only scored 27 goals once. If he becomes the player we think he'll be, that's when you pay him.

Trade Gags or Hemmer or someone and Anaheim's 2nd for Carlson please. I love him.

You also need to factor in that he missed 21 games to injury

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#93 Will
March 08 2013, 02:33PM
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Without having read any of the comments, is anyone going to give even a modicum of credit management for bringing in Brown. Especially anyone who has written here or any place else that the Oilers need someone to protect the kids but preferably someone who can actually play hockey. Brown led the team in hits, played for about ten minutes, skated well, and sent a message real early to Tooto. If he does that night in and night out, that is a solid acquisition.

I actually feel bad for the guy as the Leafs have been so crappy for so long, and the year they are finally good, he gets traded to the team that is still crappy. That has to hurt. And yet, did he whine, was he sad, di he play without heart? No, he went out there and punched the crap out of Tootoo, or maybe Rutu, I can't remember.

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#94 Quicksilver ballet
March 08 2013, 02:59PM
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@Hayek

Much like Messier, i guess much shouldn't be expected from Hall his first few yrs. Babes/substances could be distracting him a little. When hockey becomes more his focus/matures, maybe then he'll start carrying himself like a potential Hall of Famer. Guess not everyone can be the bigger picture guy like the Gretzkys and the Crosbys of the league. If this team wasn't in such poor shape, maybe he could fly under the radar a little. He's squarely under the microscope here with all the veteran support mia.

Don't think i was being overly critical of Dubey. Just mentioned that when you average 2 goals'ish a game, it's hard to be successful when your goaltender is letting in more than that. As it sits now, that 2 yr 7 million dollar deal should be parked on the bookshelf next to managements Souray and Khabibulin signings. How does Dubey rate in the moral victory category Hayek? Can't seem to find that stat anywhere. Only W's matter.

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#95 Dog Train
March 08 2013, 02:59PM
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Playing hard doesn't always show up in the hits category. Winning puck battles is the most important thing as you mentioned Gregor. The first goal last night, for instance. One guy out-battled both Smid and VV and got the puck towards the net. Kind of a weak goal by Dubnyk but regardless, still a weak effort in front of him. Too many passengers, it would be naive to expect anything to magically change anytime soon.

We have played the Predators well of late. They are a hard working team desperate for a win and they had last night off. Who knows what this team does tonight but I'll stick with the positive Friday theme and say 4-2 Oilers.

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#96 Time Travelling Sean
March 08 2013, 03:08PM
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You also need to factor in that he missed 21 games to injury

I meant John Carlson, he plays for the Capitals.

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#97 oilerjed
March 08 2013, 03:09PM
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The article started out so strong.. Bold headline of "double fisting......" followed by an incredibly hot young lady. Unfortunately followed up with more talk of the oil losing again. Watching them is depressing enough, Jason, is it to much to ask that you blow smoke up our butts and tell us more about the process... but thanks for Lima.

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#98 Time Travelling Sean
March 08 2013, 03:12PM
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We lose 4-3.

We are leading 3-0 going into the 3rd but it's too hard and we're too tired so we quit and die and say how upset we are at the end of the game, and say we'll be better, and have our idiot GM say the same things, and have RK shrug his shoulders and say, "The players play the game, I can't do it for them."

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#99 G Money
March 08 2013, 03:13PM
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@ Gregor,

A good way to determine the link between hits and winning would be to use classic statistical correlation. Basically, use goal differential (not including shootouts) vs hit differential.

(Same analysis is/could be used to determine validity e.g. of Corsi).

In English, for a particular game, if the Oilers lost 3-2 but outhit the opposition 20-18, the data points for the game would be -1 and +2.

You could then look across all team games, not just Oiler games, and see what the statistical correlation goal diffhit diff was. This (in theory) should wash out individual hit count differentials in different arenas.

Based on your analysis above, we would expect to see a goals/hits correlation close to zero. Not sure if anyone has done this analysis ...if so - link please! ... easy enough to do but no time...

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#100 PapaMike
March 08 2013, 03:19PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Were you even surprised? And come on Perry? What is this Be a GM? Why not pick up Iginla while we're at it too

I like Perry and Iggy, would take them on my team anyday. But seeing as you have your panties knotted up, yes it is be a GM Day at my work. That is why I can type here and not work at my real job. It is almost like being hall for president.

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