GDB 40.0: STAYING IN THE RACE

Jason Gregor
April 10 2013 01:11PM

At the start of the season the Oilers' goal was to be in the playoff hunt, and they are, but they need to win tonight to stay near the pack. So far, the Oilers are 0-3 in this stretch drive, and I suspect the players will be hungry to show they can win a meaningful game, not just play in them.

The first goal will be crucial tonight.

The Coyotes have been shut out in five of their last nine road games. Even Wanye doesn't get blanked that much during his final tour of the bar at two in the morning.

Lately both the Coyotes and Oilers are getting outshot. The Oilers have been outshot 256-202 in their last eight games, but they are 5-3. The Coyotes have been outshot 285-231, but they are 4-2-2. Neither trend will last, and the Oilers must take advantage of a team that lacks any serious offensive punch.

Prior to their loss in Vancouver on Monday the Coyotes had won three straight, with three different goalies registering the win. Mike Smith blanked Colorado 4-0 on Saturday, Chad Johnson beat Detroit 4-2 last Thursday and Jason LaBarbera made 39 saves to beat the Kings 3-1 on April 2nd.

Smith will get the start tonight, but due to injuries he has yet to find the consistency he had last year when he led the Coyotes to the conference final. The Oilers need to get after Smith and the Coyotes.

LINEUP

Hall/Nugent-Hopkins/Eberle

Paajarvi/Gagner/Hemsky

Smyth/Horcoff/Yakupov

Brown/Smithson/Petrell

 

Smid/Petry

N.Schultz/J.Schultz

Whitney/Fistric

Dubnyk

Ales Hemsky's foot is good enough to play, so he'll draw back in and Jones will sit. Dubnyk is 5th in SV% amongst goalies with at least 20 starts and he'll start his 32 game, good for 9th most in the NHL.

QUICK HITS

  • You wonder how much the uncertainty of their future impacts the Coyotes? Dave Tippett doesn't have a contract extension, and even though Gary Bettman says, "There is more interest than ever in purchasing the Coyotes," I won't believe it until a deal is done. That uncertainty has to wear a guy down eventually, no?
     
  • Dubnyk and Khabibulin each have a .923 SV%. The team SV% is .918 due to empty net goals and Yann Danis' 110 minutes of .881SV%. The only teams with a better SV% than the Oilers are: Ottawa, .934, Boston, .926, Chicago .922 and the Rangers with .920. Those who believe goaltending is one of the Oilers' main issues need to realize that isn't the case. Goaltending isn't the problem in Edmonton.
     
  • The Oilers will re-evaluate Eric Belanger tomorrow and if he is healthy enough to play then Anton Lander will be sent to OKC. I doubt Belanger draws in for Smithson, but the Oilers want to have a centre around in case of emergency.
     
  • Justin Schultz is a lock to make the all-rookie team, but he will need an excellent final 9 games to be a finalist for the Calder I suspect. In a short season, nine games is almost 19% of the season so how he finishes will play a big role in voting.
     
  • The Oilers outshot the Ducks 11-2 in the first 11:49 on Monday, but then the Ducks had 17 consecutive shots. The Oilers next shot didn't come until 4:55 into the 2nd. They went 13+ minutes without a shot, and gave up 17. The Ducks did have two powerplays during that time, but the Oilers can't afford unproductive stretches like that if they plan on beating top teams.

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TONIGHT....

GAME DAY PREDICTION: Both teams are desperate for a win, and instead of playing it safe they play run and gun to the delight of the crowd. Oilers win 5-4.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: With last change Krueger will get even better matchups for the 4/93/14 combo and they will combine for three goals. Hall picks up three points to move into a tie for 6th place in NHL scoring.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: After nailing two NSOGDP (Flames quote and Nick Schultz goal) on the four game road trip, it will be difficult to accurately predict the unexpected...However....

After watching N. Schultz light up the Ducks on Monday Ryan Smyth is inspired. Smyth hasn't scored in 23 games, the 2nd longest goal-scoring drought in his career -- he went 25-games between Oct 20th-Dec 15th, 1998--, but he ends that tonight. Smyth has more points vs. Phoenix than any other franchise, 59, and he picks up his 60th point and 26th goal vs. Phoenix. It will be a patented wrap around.  

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#51 wiseguy
April 10 2013, 04:41PM
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Oil spill, I mean change. wrote:

The Oilers will not make the playoffs. But it's okay because we can take the positives from this season and use it as a learning experience ... Blah, blah, blah. Ya we heard it before. Story's starting to get old. Either get it done, or find somebody who can.

Man I wish I had the inclination to go back in all the fan forums here and elsewhere over the last 3-4 years. It would be remarkable how it sounds the same every year. Same old, same old.

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#52 match16
April 10 2013, 04:41PM
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Unhealthy scratch wrote:

If a soft goal deflates the team, why didn't Anaheim fold after Schultz threw that frisbee into the net on Monday from the left hashmarks?

DD's save percentage puts him in the top half of the league's starters. His team doesn't score enough goals, and doesn't prevent enough shots. So they lose, despite his contribution.

If you don't understand the problem you are no better than Tambellini. That's all we need, misguided encouragement for ST to downgrad the goaltending like he has every other position.

Identify the real problem, don't fix what isn't broken.

Well, it also depends what position your team is in. If you're up 5-0 and your goalie lets in a soft one late, teammates can laugh about him ruining his shutout. On the other hand, if you're down 1-0 and your team is making a push for the tie, then your goalie lets in a softie, it can really deflate the team.

I don't think he's saying Dubnyk is bad, just that always being focused and ready and not letting in those softies is what separates the elites from the above averages.

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#53 Oilcan
April 10 2013, 04:45PM
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This Dubnyk debate is entertaining. Yes he lets in the odd softy what goalie doesn't? Dubnyk has been very consistent this year (every goalie in the NHL has bad games), Dubnyk is a #1 goalie in the NHL and its not even a debate anymore, add in the defence that is playing in front of him and what he has done this year is even more amazing. Put him on the Canucks and I bet he puts up better numbers then Schneider.

To sum up the "but he allows soft goals so he isn't a #1 goalie in the NHL" if my goalie makes 40 saves a night but allows one from the other end of the rink as the only goal he allows I could care less because my team should be able to score at least 2 goals.

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#54 Ogie Oilthorpe
April 10 2013, 04:47PM
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@NewAgeSys

I can't even include your quote in the reply it was so freakin long.

However, I agree. I don't understand why at home they don't swap Yak and Hemsky and give 91-89-64 some softer minutes and let the vet line take the toughs..

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#55 mr_nihilism
April 10 2013, 04:53PM
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Blood, sweat and tears:

It's all I ask for.

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#56 Unhealthy scratch
April 10 2013, 04:56PM
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match16 wrote:

Well, it also depends what position your team is in. If you're up 5-0 and your goalie lets in a soft one late, teammates can laugh about him ruining his shutout. On the other hand, if you're down 1-0 and your team is making a push for the tie, then your goalie lets in a softie, it can really deflate the team.

I don't think he's saying Dubnyk is bad, just that always being focused and ready and not letting in those softies is what separates the elites from the above averages.

It's not about the score, it's about whether you know as a team that you are good enough to overcome a bad bounce, missed call or soft goal.

The Oiler skaters are not good enough, collectively. DD stops pucks for a living and he stops them at a respectable save percentage. The psyche of the team, and the causes of it, are up to ST to fix, not DD.

But let's say you are right, and the cure is to go get an elite goaltender. Who has to make that trade or sign that FA? The guy that does the trades and signs the UFAs today? Thanks but no thanks.

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#57 Will
April 10 2013, 04:56PM
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Dubnyk is kind of a weird situation. He has stood on his head some nights and completely stolen games. Vey few games has he flat out played poorly, I think both the stats and anyone that watches can agree on that. Which to my eye gives us a somewhat middle of the pack number one, that generally gives us a shot to win. That is all that I can ask for from our goalie right now after so many bad years of questionable goal tending.

However, it is very frustrating to watch him let in the softies. For a team that is consistently outshot, for him to let in those soft ones is the difference between fighting for a playoff spot and being in the show. However, the fact that he has the stats he does and plays on a team that gets so badly outshot is very encouraging.

So, instead of trying to replace Dubnyk, for now I would like to see some effort to upgrade our defence. Simply put, get Yandle, sign Fistric. When we become the team that isn't getting outshot, we will be a contender, plain and simple.

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#58 Pucker
April 10 2013, 05:00PM
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For me then main reason reason for frustration with the easy goals (Duby or Khabi) is because the team has such a problem scoring.

I think Duby is good goalie and he was outstanding vs Anaheim!

And to my eye, there are a lot less 'easy' goals this year vs last.

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#59 Rocket
April 10 2013, 05:02PM
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A little off topic but but I thought this might be interesting.

From Elliotte Friedman's 30 thoughts:

"27. Montreal Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin wouldn't comment on this story, but another source told me it was true, so I'm going with it. In 2006, when Chris Pronger asked to be traded from Edmonton, Chicago had a shot at getting him. Bergevin worked for the Blackhawks, who decided not to make the trade because they weren't ready to win. The deal included the draft pick that landed either Jonathan Toews or Patrick Kane (the source wasn't sure which). Can you imagine? Bergevin remembers that outcome and it shapes his philosophy. Don't swing for the fences unless your team has certain staying power."

Could you imagine Jonathan Toews playing for The Oilers? Wow.

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#60 Time Travelling Sean
April 10 2013, 05:12PM
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@Rocket

Was it happening in the off-season? Or was that the pick they got next year? Cause I think having Pronger would increase their win totals.

Besides we got Ebs and Smid for Prongs, doesn't seem like a bad deal, even considering we could have gotten Toews.

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#61 TDSM31
April 10 2013, 05:18PM
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Oilcan wrote:

This Dubnyk debate is entertaining. Yes he lets in the odd softy what goalie doesn't? Dubnyk has been very consistent this year (every goalie in the NHL has bad games), Dubnyk is a #1 goalie in the NHL and its not even a debate anymore, add in the defence that is playing in front of him and what he has done this year is even more amazing. Put him on the Canucks and I bet he puts up better numbers then Schneider.

To sum up the "but he allows soft goals so he isn't a #1 goalie in the NHL" if my goalie makes 40 saves a night but allows one from the other end of the rink as the only goal he allows I could care less because my team should be able to score at least 2 goals.

So if Van offered Schneider for Dubnyk you'd tell them to pound salt? Right.

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#62 match16
April 10 2013, 05:29PM
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Unhealthy scratch wrote:

It's not about the score, it's about whether you know as a team that you are good enough to overcome a bad bounce, missed call or soft goal.

The Oiler skaters are not good enough, collectively. DD stops pucks for a living and he stops them at a respectable save percentage. The psyche of the team, and the causes of it, are up to ST to fix, not DD.

But let's say you are right, and the cure is to go get an elite goaltender. Who has to make that trade or sign that FA? The guy that does the trades and signs the UFAs today? Thanks but no thanks.

I wasn't necessarily saying in the Oiler's case. You asked why the Ducks weren't deflated from the weak goal Schultz scored so I was stating it can depend on the team's position.

Personally, I think Dubnyk is a legitimate #1 in the NHL and is still improving. I never said "the cure was to get an elite goalteneder."

Quit assuming things.

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#64 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 10 2013, 05:32PM
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Oil spill, I mean change. wrote:

The Oilers will not make the playoffs. But it's okay because we can take the positives from this season and use it as a learning experience ... Blah, blah, blah. Ya we heard it before. Story's starting to get old. Either get it done, or find somebody who can.

STARTING to get old??

The rash on my scrotum is starting to get old, this Oilers thing has been going for the better part of a decade.....

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#65 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 10 2013, 05:35PM
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Bucknuck wrote:

If the Oilers play as bad tonight as they have been the last few games, I wouldn't be surprised to see Kreuger get a little "Tortorella" on the team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=WSSp9NbWsFY

What does Ralph spilling his pasta on team member have to do with anything??

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#66 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 10 2013, 05:36PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

As a committee member I second the motion.

I KNEW Wes was on that committee!!

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#67 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 10 2013, 05:42PM
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Clarko wrote:

My point is that if you dissect anybody's game, you are going to find faults. Looking at the pure stats, Crosby is having an amazing season, but I'm sure I could find 10-15 plays where he should have done better and maybe scored.

Same with Dubnyk...if you look at his numbers, he is having an amzaing season. If you break down and dissect every game, then sure, you can find room for improvement. I'm sure he wants to improve too. But if his numbers don't say #1 goalie, then again, you will never see a #1 goalie in Dubnyk.

I see one.....Good goaltending is a function of team play....when this team gets better, Dubnyk will be top 7 in the league!

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#68 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 10 2013, 05:42PM
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Clarko wrote:

My point is that if you dissect anybody's game, you are going to find faults. Looking at the pure stats, Crosby is having an amazing season, but I'm sure I could find 10-15 plays where he should have done better and maybe scored.

Same with Dubnyk...if you look at his numbers, he is having an amzaing season. If you break down and dissect every game, then sure, you can find room for improvement. I'm sure he wants to improve too. But if his numbers don't say #1 goalie, then again, you will never see a #1 goalie in Dubnyk.

I see one.....Good goaltending is a function of team play....when this team gets better, Dubnyk will be top 7 in the league!

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#69 Rocket
April 10 2013, 05:45PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

If Oilers had Toews, they wouldn't have Hall, RNH, Yakupov or Eberle (part of Pronger deal)...

True enough. I like what The Oilers got but I thought it was interesting none the less.

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#70 Rocket
April 10 2013, 05:46PM
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Time Travelling Sean wrote:

Was it happening in the off-season? Or was that the pick they got next year? Cause I think having Pronger would increase their win totals.

Besides we got Ebs and Smid for Prongs, doesn't seem like a bad deal, even considering we could have gotten Toews.

I don't know when the deal was to be made. I'm just quoting Friedman. I know as much as you do about it.

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#71 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 10 2013, 05:47PM
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Bicepus Maximus - Peter, The Great. Potter, the Goat. wrote:

Awesome.

I love when people think they're smarter than you. That's a sign of immaturity, if not stupidity.

Fact: I've played organized hockey since 8 years of age. I'm 31 now. Still play beer league.

Fact: I graduated from U of A with an Engineering degree. I've learned something about logical thinking along the way.

Logic my d*ck.

Logic my d*ck ? They didn't offer that course when I was in University....

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#72 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 10 2013, 05:52PM
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Bicepus Maximus - Peter, The Great. Potter, the Goat. wrote:

I agree 100% with you. Dubnyk is better than average, and by a quite a bit too. And he's definitely a bargain.

I also agree with you that Lou is not a good idea for the Oilers. Or most teams for that matter because of his contract.

At the beginning of the season, the question was: Is Dubnyk good enough to start in the NHL?

My answer now is: Almost. Soft goals have got to go.

When you took that D*ck Logic course...did they teach anything about beating a dead horse?

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#73 Rocket
April 10 2013, 05:53PM
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Pucker wrote:

For me then main reason reason for frustration with the easy goals (Duby or Khabi) is because the team has such a problem scoring.

I think Duby is good goalie and he was outstanding vs Anaheim!

And to my eye, there are a lot less 'easy' goals this year vs last.

Agreed. Dubnyk has stepped up his game. Those soft ones are still a concern though.

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#74 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 10 2013, 06:00PM
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Oilcan wrote:

This Dubnyk debate is entertaining. Yes he lets in the odd softy what goalie doesn't? Dubnyk has been very consistent this year (every goalie in the NHL has bad games), Dubnyk is a #1 goalie in the NHL and its not even a debate anymore, add in the defence that is playing in front of him and what he has done this year is even more amazing. Put him on the Canucks and I bet he puts up better numbers then Schneider.

To sum up the "but he allows soft goals so he isn't a #1 goalie in the NHL" if my goalie makes 40 saves a night but allows one from the other end of the rink as the only goal he allows I could care less because my team should be able to score at least 2 goals.

Correct.....GOALTENDING IS A FUNCTION OF TEAM DEFENSE....

and you know who let in soft goals beyond your wildest imagination......

GRANT FUHR! He had a 5 hole the size of Rama Lama's Steve Tambellini file.....

AND he won a few cups...was considered a clutch goaltender....and has his banner hanging in the rafters next to all the other Oiler GREATS!

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#75 NewAgeSys
April 10 2013, 06:02PM
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This looks to be a good game I am curious what we will be trying to do tonight from a tactical standpoint. Our backs are to the wall so our true colors have to come out tonight, I am betting on raw speed of execution

I am starting to hope the team begins to outright pad Yakupovs and J Schultzes stats so they can take the Calder as a consolation prize for the team, you know set them up all night and for the remaining games, just make it sickening, put Gagner-Nuge-Yakupov on one line and tell Nuge to just dish it out.

Gagner-Nuge-Yakupov

MPS-Horcoff-Eberle

Hall-Smyth-Hemsky

I think our 3rd line will score enough to win the game on their own if we ice this lineup,ha ha ha. No one is going to be able to handle that speed on the 3rd line position, no one.

Come to think of it the 2nd line looks pretty solid with two big bodies in Horcs and MPS, lotsa room for Ebbs to cruise around in.

The 1st line would be lethal with Gagner back on the wing just focusing on scoring goals being fed by Nugent-Hopkins as a primary target and by Nail as an outlet.

I must be getting desperate making up lines like this, its like comedy hour.

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#76 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 10 2013, 06:16PM
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TDSM31 wrote:

So if Van offered Schneider for Dubnyk you'd tell them to pound salt? Right.

There's a reasonable chance that Dubnyk might outperform Schneider in Vancouver.....Do you know why?......because GOOD GOALTENDING IS A FUNCTION OF TEAM DEFENSE.....

(I'm old and I sometimes repeat myself...hell, I'm so old I even repeated ON myself)..

Look at Bryzgalov....MVP on Pheonix...Can't stop a beachball in Philly.....Smith...Can't stop a beachball in Tampa...MVP in Pheonix...

In those years that Buffalo is a team committed to team D....Ryan Miller is an MVP....Buffalo loses its way...Miller is crap..

Henrik Lundquist is a league MVP...Rangers trade away a few key defensive forwards to add more scoring (and lose a dman or two to injury) Lundquist looks average at best.

You think Rask or Tim Thomas are MVP's if they play for Tampa Bay?

It's no coincidence that the best goalie of all time, Martin Brodure played his entire career for one of the most Defensive style teams in NHL history. Etc Etc Etc

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#77 Wäx Män Riley
April 10 2013, 06:23PM
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@NewAgeSys

Your line combination system is a system of poor offensive and defensive systems.

Gagner-Nuge-Yakupov?

Gagner is on his off wing, and with RNH and Yak they would get KILLED defensively.

Why would you put the team's best player, Hall on the 3rd line?

The MPS-Horc-Eberle line looks pretty solid though.

You are better off with:

Hall-Nuge-Yak

MPS-Horc-Eberle

Smyth-Gags-Hemsky

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#78 wiseguy
April 10 2013, 06:27PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

If Oilers had Toews, they wouldn't have Hall, RNH, Yakupov or Eberle (part of Pronger deal)...

The Oilers would also likely have gone off the board and chosen some else other than Toews.

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#79 michael
April 10 2013, 06:31PM
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The City of Edmonton just finished its day of deliberations on the Arena. The motion passed to continue with the deal. The highlight of the day was Mandel asking the city's lawyer whether she was ok with the lease deal. It was a moment. I could play that over and over again.

The mayor carved it out for council regarding the MSI money and the lack of provincial support for the project with a direct from the sky kinda reference that made me laugh my ass off. Diotte is an oaf. Caterina. Well what do I expect when Rexall is in his riding. I admit that Mandel spoke to the issue at hand in the most direct manner possible. This he said isn't about Katz its about Edmonton. The profit is good bomb was classic. I was waiting for him toay if it wasn't for those profit business's there would not be those non profit places that some councillors love and espouse. I agree someone has to pay the bill for places like libraries and the art gallery and parks and so on.

I am glad we have a Mayor willing to stand up for all Edmontonians. His record and support for new libraries ,sport and recreation facilities, the arts and theater, and other things like LRTthe capital waste center, and the municipal airport redevelopment has pushed this city further under his administration then we ever saw under Reimer and Smith. I for one hope he decides on another term.

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#80 Rocket
April 10 2013, 06:34PM
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wiseguy wrote:

The Oilers would also likely have gone off the board and chosen some else other than Toews.

Yeah no kidding. KP would have definitely messed that pick up.

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#81 Crispy
April 10 2013, 06:35PM
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I hate to say it, but now that we are basically eliminated from playoff contention, I am just cheering for the chance to draft Monahen. We need someone to replace Horcoff sometime soon!

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#82 Rocket
April 10 2013, 06:40PM
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michael wrote:

The City of Edmonton just finished its day of deliberations on the Arena. The motion passed to continue with the deal. The highlight of the day was Mandel asking the city's lawyer whether she was ok with the lease deal. It was a moment. I could play that over and over again.

The mayor carved it out for council regarding the MSI money and the lack of provincial support for the project with a direct from the sky kinda reference that made me laugh my ass off. Diotte is an oaf. Caterina. Well what do I expect when Rexall is in his riding. I admit that Mandel spoke to the issue at hand in the most direct manner possible. This he said isn't about Katz its about Edmonton. The profit is good bomb was classic. I was waiting for him toay if it wasn't for those profit business's there would not be those non profit places that some councillors love and espouse. I agree someone has to pay the bill for places like libraries and the art gallery and parks and so on.

I am glad we have a Mayor willing to stand up for all Edmontonians. His record and support for new libraries ,sport and recreation facilities, the arts and theater, and other things like LRTthe capital waste center, and the municipal airport redevelopment has pushed this city further under his administration then we ever saw under Reimer and Smith. I for one hope he decides on another term.

I just want someone to actually start building the arena soon. Please? Anybody?

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#83 oilerjed
April 10 2013, 07:31PM
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With all of the talk about Dubnyk maybe I can get an answer to a question that has been on my mind for the season. It seems that Dubnyk has alot of posts hit, I mean like 1-3 a game. Is this due to his size in the net and shooters having nothing to aim for or is it that he is almost getting beat that often. I think he is a solid #1 for us and has played well but if even half of his posts start going in we are talking about a lot of goals. Can someone clue me in?

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#84 DSF
April 10 2013, 07:45PM
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oilerjed wrote:

With all of the talk about Dubnyk maybe I can get an answer to a question that has been on my mind for the season. It seems that Dubnyk has alot of posts hit, I mean like 1-3 a game. Is this due to his size in the net and shooters having nothing to aim for or is it that he is almost getting beat that often. I think he is a solid #1 for us and has played well but if even half of his posts start going in we are talking about a lot of goals. Can someone clue me in?

He's lucky.

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#85 GVBlackhawk
April 10 2013, 07:51PM
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Bicepus Maximus - Peter, The Great. Potter, the Goat. wrote:

FIST!

Edit: Dubnyk is always good for a softy despite his excellent SV%. And that to me is a problem. I don't care where it ranks on the Oilers' totem pole of problems.

Also, Ochocinco is a multi-sport athlete?? Crazy!

Classic selective perception.

We have all seen Dubnyk let in a few soft goals in his career. However, this phenomena of letting in 'soft goals' is not exclusive to Dubnyk. If you watched every game played in an NHL season and tracked soft goals (which is a very subjective measurement), you would likely find that the majority of goalies let in the same number of soft goals per season.

But those times that you saw him let in a brutal one (eg. shot from center ice in Nashville...Legwand I believe) really stuck in your mind. And now you think Dubnyk lets in a soft one every game -- even though his stats suggest that he is performing above league average.

No goalie is going to stop every shot. Every goalie is going to allow soft goals on occasion.

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#86 GVBlackhawk
April 10 2013, 07:53PM
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With all of the talk about Dubnyk maybe I can get an answer to a question that has been on my mind for the season. It seems that Dubnyk has alot of posts hit, I mean like 1-3 a game. Is this due to his size in the net and shooters having nothing to aim for or is it that he is almost getting beat that often. I think he is a solid #1 for us and has played well but if even half of his posts start going in we are talking about a lot of goals. Can someone clue me in?

If half of the posts that the Oilers hit start going in, we are talking about a lot of goals.

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#87 DSF
April 10 2013, 08:00PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

If half of the posts that the Oilers hit start going in, we are talking about a lot of goals.

How many posts have they hit?

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@GVBlackhawk

Don't tell me what I saw and what it did to me.

I don't expect goalies to stop all shots. I agree with you. All of them will let in a soft one here and there. But some will more than others. And I'm not even talking about the center ice goal. That's not a soft goal. That's an accident.

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#89 NewAgeSys
April 10 2013, 08:11PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

Your line combination system is a system of poor offensive and defensive systems.

Gagner-Nuge-Yakupov?

Gagner is on his off wing, and with RNH and Yak they would get KILLED defensively.

Why would you put the team's best player, Hall on the 3rd line?

The MPS-Horc-Eberle line looks pretty solid though.

You are better off with:

Hall-Nuge-Yak

MPS-Horc-Eberle

Smyth-Gags-Hemsky

Gagner can play all three forward positions, and the defensive vulnerabilitys are in my estimation offset by the offensive upside, I think we can outscore any line in the NHL with that firepower. Nuge is very responsible defensively and gagner is a six year pro who is also responsible defensively, Nuge isnt a shrinkong violet and is quite physical and Yakupov is a tank alread, Sam Gagner is about 190lbs so thats not really a soft line or a defensively weak line, as i said I think we outscore more teams than not head to head.

Halls speed is like hemskys, those guys only need one or two possesions to score a goal, if opponents top defensive pairing cant cover them they will kill teams on very few possesions, hemmer more than Hall. Halls speed is best used where he can score goals where others cant, and we need scoring depth to win games, who cares what the players name is?

I wouldnt roll these lines, it was a desperation plea. I would roll

Hall-Nuge-|Ebbs

MPS-Gagner-Yakupov

Smyth-Horcoff-Hemsky

I believe every line needs a zone entry specialist and ours are Hemsky, MPS,and Hall, we need one of these on each line if we can manage it to maximise their potential.

Each line needs a sniper Ebbs,Yakupov and Smyth

Each line needs a setter Nuge,gagner, Horcoff

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#90 book¡e
April 10 2013, 08:52PM
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Re- soft goals.

The team knows how good their goalie is. 'Soft' goals only matter when your goalie is sub-par (the here we go again feeling). In most games, the Oilers know their goalie is going to outplay the goalie at the other end. That is all that matters.

It's kind of like how a dingy dime is worth more than a shiny nickel. Aesthetics is the wrong measure of value.

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#91 book¡e
April 10 2013, 08:59PM
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Also, goal softness may have a lot of perception bias. Different goalies have different styles. Small floppy goalies never let in soft goals because they always look good when they get scored on. There are lots of those 'good looking' goalies in the AHL that we could swap Dubnyk for.

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#92 tdsm31
April 10 2013, 09:00PM
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Aaaaannnnnd theres the Dubersoft we know and love.....

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#93 The Soup Fascist
April 10 2013, 09:03PM
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Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, may I present .... Exhibit "A".

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#94 book¡e
April 10 2013, 09:05PM
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That was a soft goal!

Why are the Oilers still trying?

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Aaaaannnnnd theres the Dubersoft we know and love.....

~Yeah, but his SV% is 0.923 so far this game!~

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#96 Lochenzo
April 10 2013, 09:08PM
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So I guess the Oilers are losing because of Dubnyk and not because they've scored a total of 2 goals in 3 games plus one period.

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#97 StHenriOilBomb
April 10 2013, 09:14PM
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All I care about this game is for the boys to give a SH1T. Haven't seen it in a while now. Who's going to be our Giguere?

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#98 The Soup Fascist
April 10 2013, 09:15PM
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Look I like Dubey, but its like he is out to validate the comments here tonight. He has all the tools but he needs to bear down for 60 minutes. Does that come with maturity? I hope so because those goals ARE killers when you are struggling.

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#99 Jakethesnake
April 10 2013, 09:15PM
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Say what you want the goalie is a problem. All day on the radio and on tv all you hear is how great he is Bull this guy sucks and this team goes no where with him as the goalie

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WEZEAK!

Okay, the point is made. Now let's win this b*tch!

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