THE CAPTAIN SPEAKS

Jason Gregor
April 15 2013 11:04PM

Shawn Horcoff has spent all 12 of his NHL seasons in Edmonton. He started as a fourth line centre, worked his way up to the top-line in 2006 and led all Oilers forwards in scoring during their miraculous 2006 Cup run. He's played for four different coaches and tomorrow he'll play for his third general manager.

He experienced one glorious playoff run, a few other postseason appearances, but lately he's mostly experienced losing. I sat down with him to discuss the firing of Steve Tambellini, but I also got his thoughts on the type of team the Oilers have, and what they need to add moving forward.

I've always respected Horcoff's effort. He isn't the most skilled player, but if he was making $4 million instead of $5.5 he likely would never take as much flak as he does. I wish he was more activity in the community like Doug Weight and Jason Smith, because I feel that is incredibly important, but overall I've had few issues with Horcoff's time in Edmonton.

He's been the captain of team that has never had enough talent to compete, and I'm guessing that can become very draining.  We discussed Tambellini, where this team is at now and most importantly what they have to do to get back to the playoffs.

Gregor: What went through your mind when you heard that Tambellini was fired?

Horcoff: I have a lot of respect for Tambi. I like him as a guy; I thought he did a lot of good things here. It’s just inevitable though when you go through seasons like we have and the situation we’re in right now, there are going to be changes. I’m sure that they’re not just going to stop with Tambi. I didn’t hear MacT’s presser, but I heard the comments he made in them. It doesn’t surprise me that he’s going to try to make bold moves to get us to the next level as soon as possible.

Gregor: It looks like another season without playoffs. Does it start to wear you down?  

Horcoff: Probably the hardest it’s been is this year; because five games ago we were in the playoffs. I really felt like we were going to make that push and get there. We still can. We’re not out of it, but we have to do something spectacular and amazing to be there.

Gregor: You’ve been part of a team that went all the way to the Stanley Cup Finals. You didn’t have any real superstar forwards. You had a good mix of skill, but a few guys like Torres and Peca that could run guys over. Your team seems to be lacking, as Sam Gagner said, passion, especially after that game in Calgary. Can guys create passion themselves, or do you need to add a different type of player to compliment your skilled players?

Horcoff: Well, it’s hard. It’s hard to reinvent yourself as a player. Sometimes it absolutely takes a player to do that to keep themselves in the league and to keep themselves around. In 2006, they did a good job of adding grit- Stoll, Raffi, and Peca- he was a skill player too, but he was really at that point in his career where he was still a great shut down guy, he could play PK, he could play power play.

If you look at the lineup, we probably do lack a little bit of that here. We’ve got a large number of guys with really high-end skill, but our record shows you there’s more to the game of hockey than just skill. As a player, I never place blame on management not bringing in the right people. I always feel like it’s up to the people in the dressing room to either change or adapt to what the team needs to make the team better, or just get better individually. For a player to sit here and blame management for where we’re at would just be ridiculous.

Gregor: You mentioned five games ago, you felt like you were going to make that push. You played three big teams to start, veteran teams who have been there before. What can you take from those games? What do you think you guys learnt from them? What do you think you guys are lacking that needs to improve?

  Horcoff: I think the good thing is, we actually did accomplish something; we had our young guys play in very meaningful games. Those are playoff-style games. Those are teams that did not take us lightly. They were pushing for playoffs, pushing for spots, and they upped their game. That’s what teams do.

At this time of year, ten games to go, teams that are going to be in the playoffs and teams that are going to win the Cup and move on get better, plain and simple. They adapt their game, they become grittier. People who don’t hit find ways to be physical. You don’t have to kill guys, but it’s just going into the hard areas, going to the net, engaging in a battle, winning those one-on-one battles, those tough plays. I think it was a really good lesson for the young guys to see that happen right in front of their eyes.


We played against three teams, not because they were skilled more or less, they were just hungrier, and they played a more patient style. In each one of those games, I remember Vancouver and L.A. specifically; their top forwards just dumped the puck in the first five or six minutes. They came hard at us and just let us know, they set the tone early and basically said, ‘This is going to be a long game, this is going to be physical. If you want to win, you better be doing the same thing coming back to us.’


A lot of times in those tight games, it comes down to that one turnover and that one mess up, where you’re going to lose. We had guys who hadn’t been in that situation in the NHL before and they experienced it. At the end of the game I talked to most of them, they were just like, ‘Wow, it’s a different game out there.’

Gregor: Did you get feedback from the young guys: Hall, Eberle, and Nugent-Hopkins, who most believe will be the core moving forward, regarding what they felt about their play and what they need to do to score and win those games?

Horcoff: Ya, they definitely saw it. It’s hard to explain it. I can say anything I want or any of the guys in here can say anything they want about how the game is going to change, but until you have played yourself through it and actually physically felt it and seen the raise in the intensity, the patience in the offensive side of the game and not turning pucks over in key areas, you don’t truly know how hard it is.  

I think we accomplished that there. I think they were able to go in there and say, ‘Wow, this is different and we can learn from it.  

When you play playoff style hockey and you get to play the better teams, they’re going to make it hard, they’re going to backcheck they’re tail off and have a lot of guys in front of the net. It’s going to force you to get pucks to the net and it’s going to force you to crash the net, force you to get dirty goals and we didn’t do any of that.

Gregor: What do you need to see in these final seven games, from this team, to believe that there is the right mix moving forward?

Horcoff: Accountability.  It comes down to that. I think there is a lot that goes into accountability: Playing with passion, showing character, not giving up and playing hard until the end. I think that if everyone that comes into this locker room, every single night and says, ‘I need to be accountable to my teammates tonight,’ I think we will be fine.

I think we’ll go out and play hard to the end. We may not win every game, but I think we’ll be right in every single one of them. These last few games, we’ve taken undisciplined penalties and we just haven’t been prepared mentally. We haven’t started very well and I think it just comes to thinking, ‘If I go out there and keep doing the same thing, it’s going to be good enough,’ but it’s not. This time of year, teams are going to get better. If you don’t get better, you’ll lose games.

Gregor: What about the culture of the team? Losing and winning can both be infectious. When you’re losing, I’m sure it’s more of a mental battle to make sure you don’t give in to wanting to just give up. How do you change the culture inside the room?

Horcoff: I think we’ve already really done a good job of changing it, or starting that process. Losing, to us, is now unacceptable. We’ve actually seen long stretches of winning now. We won five to get us back into the playoffs. We’ve had a taste of winning. Five games ago, we were in the playoffs. So there’s something to be said about that. This team does have character and we’re doing good things to chance the culture, but it’s a process.

It takes time. It’s going to take all twenty-three guys, not just one or two lines going, it’s going to take all twenty-three pulling the same chord.  

WRAP UP

It was interesting listening to Horcoff talk about his team. He was excited that the young guys had an opportunity to experience the increased intensity and focus shown by LA, Vancouver and Anaheim. It was a painful lesson to learn, since they lost every game, but if they didn't experience they likely wouldn't know what they need to do next season to win those meaningful games.

I've said for months that the Oilers can't just expect to improve next season because the players are a year older. It isn't that simple. Today I spoke to Sam Gagner about his post-game comments on Saturday, where he said the Oilers didn't have enough passion. He followed up that honest response with this:

The best teams in the league they don’t get there by accident, they get there by building habits. We’re not just going to come back next year and be a year older and be a better team- it doesn’t work that way. We really need to focus these last seven games on building those habits, building that identity and getting better as a group.

The past ten days have been a difficult learning curve for the young Oilers, but if they use it as a learning tool it should benefit them for years to come.

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#1 rockmoss
April 15 2013, 11:27PM
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Good interview. I know it is not popular on this website and/or in Edmonton but I like Horcoff and what he brings to this team. I don't think he is part of the problem.

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#2 Peter
April 15 2013, 11:30PM
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Hayek wrote:

To me it sounds like pretty generic answers. I wouldn't expect anything more though, as he is a current member of the team, and speaking out against management ends up a poor decision for veterans' futures.

The only time we would hear honest answers from players are after they are traded, or they retire.

Are you serious? He admitted they don't have enough skilled grit, said they need to learn how to compete. That is far from generic.

Excellent interview Gregor, you always seem to get players to be more honest than any other media guy I read. I don't always agree with your opinions, but you are an excellent interviewer.

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#3 Jay
April 16 2013, 11:44AM
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@Oiler Al

Jeez, I guess we really do have 2 types of fans. Those who get sarcasm and those who don't. My apologies guys, next time I'll end it with an old fashioned LOL

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#4 Buttonpusher
April 15 2013, 11:18PM
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Let me be the fist to say I've always liked Horc and you just have to ignore his contract because it is what it is and its not his fault KLowe gave it to him. Big offseason coming up for the old boys club.

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#5 Jack Handy
April 16 2013, 01:21AM
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Sit down and be quiet Horc. You are as irrelevant as my slinky and hoola-hoop. Time for you to move on. I'm sick of your loser play and litany of excuses.

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#6 Eulers
April 16 2013, 12:22AM
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Maybe he'd do more in the community if he wasn't treated like a pariah. He does do Horcoff's Heroes.

Great interview! Fascinating insight on the value of playoff-style games. Glad to hear everyone has something to think about over the summer.

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#7 Bloodsweatandoil
April 16 2013, 12:45AM
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Good interview Jason! I have never faulted Horc for the Oiler ways and demise in the last three years. Every team has rosters that are always planned and preordained on guessing more or less. You cannot choose who you work with,ie: new draft picks, aquired veterans who didnt pan out, draft busts, good draft picks who need more time or better support etc. But I imagine he is probably relieved with todays change, as a veteran and team captain like him, in my opinion, he has never mailed it in like some vets on the roster. He is probably very frustrated and pissed constantly since 2006 game in and game out that he feels himself and other players on the team are being asked or feeling compelled to do things that they are not capable of doing outside of their specialties. You cannot make wine out of constantly supplied vinegar!

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#8 dohfOs
April 16 2013, 03:49AM
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great interview Gregor

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#9 Monkeyswan
April 16 2013, 06:36AM
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The captain should have better prepared this team prior to the lessons that were provided over the last five games. Hand out responsibilities and expectations and call out those who did not preform to a captains standards. He should be holding himself accountable.

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#10 jason
April 16 2013, 06:44AM
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the one really great part of this article, is when horcoff refused to throw managment under the bus saying "it's the players responsibility to adapt." while i disagree with his assesment, i feel managment is largly responsible, it's refreshing to see someone take responsibility for their actions, even for the actions of others. after yesterdays performance reading that article was what i needed to hear from the organization. way to man up horcs, your a good captain. kevin you should spend some time with horcs he can teach you alot about being a man.

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#11 EHH Team
April 16 2013, 08:14AM
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@Fresh Mess

Why would you dump him for waivers? Horcoff is a useful player and a good leader regardless of what many thnk. The Oilers are not going to be in cap trouble for at least a couple of years.

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#12 Jay
April 16 2013, 09:23AM
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Man their is just way too many posters. I know for a fact you're not all season ticket holders so why are you posting?? No one cares what you think!! You cluttering up the board. I can't wait til we get a season ticket holders only message board.

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#13 Jay
April 16 2013, 09:52AM
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Will wrote:

"There are two types of message board posters. Those that Hate Horcoff, and those that think he's overpaid."

I'd respond to this but I'm not sure if you have season tickets or not

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#14 StHenriOilBomb
April 16 2013, 10:01AM
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@madjam

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sarcasm

http://oilersnation.com/2013/4/15/kevin-lowe-we-have-two-types-of-fans

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#15 OilersBrass
April 16 2013, 10:43AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

That's a lot of jibberish from a player who brings so little to the Oilers table. Never leans on anyone, nowhere to be seen when his club needs a big goal, never drops the gloves when the team needs a spark, or even win a faceoff when needed.... all the things you'd hope for in a captain.

Oh well, Katz,Lowe,Horc and Hemmer, they'll all have a good chuckle over this in a couple weeks. What a ship of fools...

"But until you have played yourself through it and actually physically felt it and seen the raise in the intensity, the patience in the offensive side of the game and not turning pucks over in key areas, you don’t truly know how hard it is."

Listen to Horcoffs words, don't sit here and act like he's useless or does nothing until you know what it's like to compete in this league. It must be pretty easy for you to sit behind a computer and talk crap about something you have no knowledge of.

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#16 Fred
April 16 2013, 12:27PM
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Who cares about the last 7 games , unfortunately it would be better for the Oilers to lose their last 7 games.

That is what it has come down to , we look at the out of town results to see if we have fallen another place.

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#17 Curcro
April 16 2013, 05:31PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

And your opinion is more valid than mine, since you've experienced those aspects of the game you mentioned, at the NHL level?

Just calling a spade, a spade. If it wasn't for his contract, few here would be able to categorize him as an NHL caliber player, or career AHL player.

Now that is pure BS.

If he wasn't an NHL caliber player why would Detroit purposely avoid having Datsyuk on the ice at the same time as Horcoff.

The reason, is because Datsyuk's scoring opportunities drastically decrease when playing against Horcoff.

He is a quality 3rd Line centre on any team.

He may not be the best Captain - but he is certainly an NHL level player.

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#18 Hayek
April 15 2013, 11:20PM
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To me it sounds like pretty generic answers. I wouldn't expect anything more though, as he is a current member of the team, and speaking out against management ends up a poor decision for veterans' futures.

The only time we would hear honest answers from players are after they are traded, or they retire.

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#19 @Oilanderp
April 16 2013, 12:19AM
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10 billion nation articles on the same day makes it hard to read or comment. Kind of like first overall picks. Sometimes the ...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

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#20 VK63
April 16 2013, 12:33AM
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I don't think this losing experience will benefit them at all going forward. They mailed it in... and as disgusting as it was to watch, they did it. So why won't they do it again next year? what part of this experience will make it so unacceptable that they will make the sacrifices and commitments that they were unwilling to make this year?

In the context of the five games lost. The worst one by far was the last one, thus whatever "learning" is theoretically being done is taking an inordinate amount of time to manifest itself.

by all appearances... they really don't care if they lose (post game blithering not withstanding)... so in actual fact they will probably keep doing just that, because honestly... that is what they have proven themselves to be most capable of.

Call it Oiler's inertia.

FWIW... as this appears to be infinitely difficult for the young steeds to grasp, they might as well learn it super good and mail in the next seven as well. Just to be sure they have it down. ;)

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#21 madjam
April 16 2013, 05:52AM
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Work ethic needed to excel good lesson for the youth . Mind you , most experienced that type of commitment in international tournaments that they excelled at . Veterans and lack of size and grit have a lot to do with it . Supporting caste far to weak again this season . Last seven games will be auditions for next season , and like Flames may include several call ups from AHL club . Horcoff on the bubble , and maybe talks a better game than he now plays .Same for a lot of veterans in reality on our team . New era , new captain ? Boys on the bus about to be dismantled - first stage veteran players ?

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#22 -30-
April 16 2013, 06:50AM
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Sounds like his boss, Kevin Lowe should go to the same media relations tutor that Horcoff has.

The answers are canned and no different than any other time the Oil have gone in the tank. More effort, blah, blah, blah.

The older players on this team are all practiced at that. They all tell a good story but never carry through with any consistency.

Nice job as always Jason.

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#23 The Real Scuba Steve
April 16 2013, 06:58AM
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Buttonpusher wrote:

Let me be the fist to say I've always liked Horc and you just have to ignore his contract because it is what it is and its not his fault KLowe gave it to him. Big offseason coming up for the old boys club.

Sadly the old boys club is here to stay.

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#24 Fresh Mess
April 16 2013, 07:07AM
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Accountability in any organization starts with the person at the top. If the president of hockey operations (ridiculous title) isn't willing to accept any accountability, why should the players?

I actually like Horcoff. I think he has a very bright future in Hockey as a non-player if he chooses that path.

I think Horcoff will be moved this off season. The final two seasons of Horc's contract he will be paid 2 million actual dollars less than his cap hit. I believe there will be cap-floor teams willing to add what Shawn brings for reasonable dollars.

Horcoff's no movement clause become a limited no trade clause this summer. I don't know if anyone will be willing to trade assets for him, but I could see someone grabbing him off waivers to help them get stay above the cap floor while also adding a solid veteran pro.

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#25 HardBoiledOil
April 16 2013, 07:12AM
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great interview. always liked this guy! i hope he ISN'T one of the players the Oil say bye bye to over the summer.

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#26 Alex
April 16 2013, 07:51AM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

10 billion nation articles on the same day makes it hard to read or comment. Kind of like first overall picks. Sometimes the ...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

You are complaining because we have too much info? Kudos, you win for dumbest comment of the year. This was a great article. Excellent insight into the weaknesses of the team.

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#27 Fresh Mess
April 16 2013, 08:13AM
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Does anyone know if Tambellini is going to be speaking to the media today? I am curious to hear his take.

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#28 EHH Team
April 16 2013, 08:17AM
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Eulers wrote:

Maybe he'd do more in the community if he wasn't treated like a pariah. He does do Horcoff's Heroes.

Great interview! Fascinating insight on the value of playoff-style games. Glad to hear everyone has something to think about over the summer.

I agree

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#29 Rama Lama
April 16 2013, 08:52AM
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I know that I have been hard on Horcoff........mainly because I see him as a major deterrent for the team moving forward. As captain you have to be the best player or the hardest working player and drive your team. This has been absent from his play the past two years..........maybe he is pissed someone younger with more skill is getting all the attention?

Either way, I do believe that HOrcoff's success will come not on the ice but either behind the bench or in upper management.

He has done well in the game given he has absolutely no offensive skill.

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#30 Smokey
April 16 2013, 08:55AM
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Compliance byout please MacT. Been hearing the same for three years. Time for a captain that leads.

This organization will win when Horcs gone. Get it done.

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#31 Rick
April 16 2013, 09:13AM
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Horcoff is a useful player and gets a bit of a raw deal in terms of how fans tend to view him BUT if you want to talk about changing the losing culture and having vets that can pull the kids along when the going gets tough, then Horcoff has to be seen as part of the problem the same as Hemsky and Smyth.

He may be a vet and a consummate professional but he has never won anything here and his last taste of coming close to success was when Jesus was still a baby.

It's time, for the sake of both the Oilers and the player that they move him along in order to bring in some fresh veteran leadership.

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#32 madjam
April 16 2013, 09:29AM
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Horcoff may stay despite his contract issues . Is that the sort of message you want young players growing up into - an overpriced contract that does not match his output ? That's a message management does not want to end by my estimation .

Horcoff's contract could be detrimental to cap space depending on whom we might add in off season , something to consider if any big names are involved . The question is can we move forward more rapidly with him or without him . We will unlikely not be status quo from this year going into next season remember . Would you rather go after a Weber and/ or Vanek , or some lesser talents by keeping overpaid diminishing talent on board

On the plus side , he still has value and one of few with positive plus minus , some offence and acceptable special teams play . Bubble call here depending on whom MacT. goes after in off season and trades , etc..

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#33 Will
April 16 2013, 09:31AM
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I like Horcoff. I like the things he does on the ice. Clearly the team is not the same with him out of the line up. Having said that, I thought Hall gave such a better interview on this exact same topic. He seemed more real, less typical, and actually seemed to have a desire to play on a team that wants to win. Hall doesn't need to 'reinvent' himself as a player because every time he steps out on the ice it's for the W.

I'm not saying he has to go, cause he is a great 3rd line centre (if he was paid less money), but I think he needs to show a little bit more fire in situations like these. I have a feeling he vents on the bench and in the locker room and not in front of the media, but Hall's frustration is worn on his sleeve and that's what tells me he's a competitor.

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#34 Will
April 16 2013, 09:33AM
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Jay wrote:

Man their is just way too many posters. I know for a fact you're not all season ticket holders so why are you posting?? No one cares what you think!! You cluttering up the board. I can't wait til we get a season ticket holders only message board.

"There are two types of message board posters. Those that Hate Horcoff, and those that think he's overpaid."

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#35 Quicksilver ballet
April 16 2013, 09:36AM
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That's a lot of jibberish from a player who brings so little to the Oilers table. Never leans on anyone, nowhere to be seen when his club needs a big goal, never drops the gloves when the team needs a spark, or even win a faceoff when needed.... all the things you'd hope for in a captain.

Oh well, Katz,Lowe,Horc and Hemmer, they'll all have a good chuckle over this in a couple weeks. What a ship of fools...

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#36 madjam
April 16 2013, 09:54AM
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Jay wrote:

Man their is just way too many posters. I know for a fact you're not all season ticket holders so why are you posting?? No one cares what you think!! You cluttering up the board. I can't wait til we get a season ticket holders only message board.

Give your head a shake Jay ! Are you not a movie fan that probably watch or prefers most to watch from the comfort of your home on television , etc. like most do . Are you more a fan because you go out to theaters to see them all . Of course not ! Hockey is also just an entertainment business as well , with an equal amount of ways to enjoy it . A fan of hockey is just like a fan of the movies , etc. as long as they want to embellish hockey . Many probably don't have the resources , transportation , health , etc. to attend to begin with . Many just get their fill thru this site and other media that they can afford . Make no mistake about it they are all equal fans and should be treated as such . You pay handsomely for seeing it live I hope you enjoy it more than those who are not season ticket holders .

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#37 StHenriOilBomb
April 16 2013, 09:58AM
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Bloodsweatandoil wrote:

Good interview Jason! I have never faulted Horc for the Oiler ways and demise in the last three years. Every team has rosters that are always planned and preordained on guessing more or less. You cannot choose who you work with,ie: new draft picks, aquired veterans who didnt pan out, draft busts, good draft picks who need more time or better support etc. But I imagine he is probably relieved with todays change, as a veteran and team captain like him, in my opinion, he has never mailed it in like some vets on the roster. He is probably very frustrated and pissed constantly since 2006 game in and game out that he feels himself and other players on the team are being asked or feeling compelled to do things that they are not capable of doing outside of their specialties. You cannot make wine out of constantly supplied vinegar!

One of my friends commented earlier this year that the Oilers are trying to compete in a wine contest by entering a mixture of grape seeds and vinegar. Sounded apt.

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#38 TDSM31
April 16 2013, 10:27AM
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madjam wrote:

Give your head a shake Jay ! Are you not a movie fan that probably watch or prefers most to watch from the comfort of your home on television , etc. like most do . Are you more a fan because you go out to theaters to see them all . Of course not ! Hockey is also just an entertainment business as well , with an equal amount of ways to enjoy it . A fan of hockey is just like a fan of the movies , etc. as long as they want to embellish hockey . Many probably don't have the resources , transportation , health , etc. to attend to begin with . Many just get their fill thru this site and other media that they can afford . Make no mistake about it they are all equal fans and should be treated as such . You pay handsomely for seeing it live I hope you enjoy it more than those who are not season ticket holders .

madjam, you forgot to flip the sarcasm switch on your computer...

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#39 Quicksilver ballet
April 16 2013, 10:52AM
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@OilersBrass

And your opinion is more valid than mine, since you've experienced those aspects of the game you mentioned, at the NHL level?

Just calling a spade, a spade. If it wasn't for his contract, few here would be able to categorize him as an NHL caliber player, or career AHL player.

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#40 Oiler Al
April 16 2013, 11:29AM
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Jay wrote:

Man their is just way too many posters. I know for a fact you're not all season ticket holders so why are you posting?? No one cares what you think!! You cluttering up the board. I can't wait til we get a season ticket holders only message board.

Your remark is about as arrogant and nescient, as Kevin Lowes! How the f....k do you know who is a season ticket holder and who isnt? Besides what difference would that make.

Time to grow up little man.

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#41 Oiler Al
April 16 2013, 11:53AM
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Horcoff, is not the textbook captain,but he was the guy with the most experience and tenure, outside of Hemsky at the time of the selection. Had Smyth been there that year, he would have been the more likely canidate. Hemsky cant or wont deal with the media for starters.

I have no beef with Horcoffs salary, [ he won the lotto, good for him , bad for the Cap.],however, he does not play with passion,and for a guy who is over 6 ft. tall and over 200 lbs, he plays a very passive game.

He's not the most talented guy around but neither was Smith when he was Captn. but he acted and played like he was the boss on the ice.

Horcoff might be smart, and says the right things, etc, but I would sooner have Hall as a Captn, gets out on the ice with guns and blazing and hunger to win. Dont see that in Horcoff.

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#42 DonDon
April 16 2013, 12:52PM
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On Horcoff, I think there are more than two types of message board posters, not just those that hate Horcoff, and those that think he's overpaid. It is clearly apparent that, in their emotional defence of Horcoff, many posters really like the Captain.

I don't hate Horcoff, and his salary is his salary. Kevin Lowe negotiated the terms and, if there is a no-rade clause, agreed to it. It's what it is and we can't do anything about it, so complaining is fruitless.

I look at performances and my sense is Horcoff has become a liability on this team for many of the reasons mentioned by other posters and if MacTavish plans to take bold steps and "fix" the veteran problem on the roster, there won't be a place for Horcoff, and maybe Hemsky. For Horcoff, a buy-out, and for Hemsky, best for both sides that there is a trade. As was stated by MacTavish at yesterday's presser, it's time to move on. Words don't count, action does.

This is a Coming to Jesus time for this hockey organization and it is overdue.

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#43 Jasmine
April 16 2013, 01:12PM
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Jack Handy wrote:

Sit down and be quiet Horc. You are as irrelevant as my slinky and hoola-hoop. Time for you to move on. I'm sick of your loser play and litany of excuses.

You're part of the problem players don't sign in Edmonton. Fans run players out of town. Don't you think players hear how Oilers players get bashed by their own fans. There's a reason players have Edmonton on the list of teams they don't want to get traded to or sign with. It's the fans.

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#44 Jasmine
April 16 2013, 01:14PM
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HardBoiledOil wrote:

great interview. always liked this guy! i hope he ISN'T one of the players the Oil say bye bye to over the summer.

Fans want him gone and have hated him since the day he played his first game. They would say he's over paid if he was paid minimum wage. Oilers fans have a habit of running players out of town.

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#45 Jasmine
April 16 2013, 01:16PM
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Smokey wrote:

Compliance byout please MacT. Been hearing the same for three years. Time for a captain that leads.

This organization will win when Horcs gone. Get it done.

Oilers will start winning when Oilers fans stop running players out of town.

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#46 Smokey
April 16 2013, 01:27PM
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Rick wrote:

Horcoff is a useful player and gets a bit of a raw deal in terms of how fans tend to view him BUT if you want to talk about changing the losing culture and having vets that can pull the kids along when the going gets tough, then Horcoff has to be seen as part of the problem the same as Hemsky and Smyth.

He may be a vet and a consummate professional but he has never won anything here and his last taste of coming close to success was when Jesus was still a baby.

It's time, for the sake of both the Oilers and the player that they move him along in order to bring in some fresh veteran leadership.

Answer these questions. How many points does he have? What are his Corsi and Fenwick rating? What percentage of faceoffs does he win? Whats his plus minus for the last 3 years? Does he hit or display a physical presence ala Moreau at least for a teamate. Does he make either his line or team better? Whats the record of the team with or without him?

Then look at the players who make 5.5 million and decide would your team be better if you used your cap space in another area. Montreal figured it out with Gomez. I don't sign checks, but if your going to move forward you got.to make bold decisions. Keeping Horcoff because he brings intangibles is not good enough. He can be replaced with a one million dollar player. He's been getting his lunch eaten for years.

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#47 common sense
April 16 2013, 01:40PM
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Very diplomatic of you Gregor. I've heard you several times insinuate how Horcoff is lacking as a Captain cf some of the other Oiler Captains. In my opinion he's become part of the problem that is the bottom 6. Compliance buyout or not...that is the question?

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#48 Smokey
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Jasmine wrote:

Oilers will start winning when Oilers fans stop running players out of town.

I am sorry, your argument makes not one lick of sense. Players we have run outta town are lets see Souray, Arnott, Comrie, Smyth. We are not running out a star player here or an asset. We removing an player not performing to his contract. So we can get players who can albeit with this regime, good luck. Horc will get his 2/3rds and be able to find a job as a fourth line pivot for a million.

Or we can keep the players who don't live up to their contract, lets never get better. Horcoff is not an asset.

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#49 Fresh Mess
April 16 2013, 01:49PM
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Jasmine wrote:

Oilers will start winning when Oilers fans stop running players out of town.

It's the same in all cities, it is not a local phenomena.

Also, it is not flattering when you send three consecutive posts saying the same thing. I am sure you are more intelligent than this erratic posting style makes you seem.

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#50 Rick
April 16 2013, 03:59PM
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Smokey wrote:

Answer these questions. How many points does he have? What are his Corsi and Fenwick rating? What percentage of faceoffs does he win? Whats his plus minus for the last 3 years? Does he hit or display a physical presence ala Moreau at least for a teamate. Does he make either his line or team better? Whats the record of the team with or without him?

Then look at the players who make 5.5 million and decide would your team be better if you used your cap space in another area. Montreal figured it out with Gomez. I don't sign checks, but if your going to move forward you got.to make bold decisions. Keeping Horcoff because he brings intangibles is not good enough. He can be replaced with a one million dollar player. He's been getting his lunch eaten for years.

I guess this is where I point out that I am not advocating that he is kept around for his intangibles?

So every question you pose really isn't worth answering. At least not by me.

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