NO MONEY DOWN

Lowetide
April 02 2013 06:03PM

 

Once upon a time, Oilers GM Steve Tambellini told us things would be quiet, that he didn't know if he'd be busy. Bright and early the next morning, hell was a poppin'. 

June 30, 2011 :"I don't know if anything is going to happen. We already have some young players in some profile spots. If I can find a player or two who gives us some of that poise and experience or some grit we'll do that. I don't know if it'll happen July 1 or July 20."  Steve Tambellini.

OH YEAH? July 1, 2011

  1. He signed C Eric Belanger to replace C Colin Fraser.
  2. He signed L Ben Eager to replace L JF Jacques.
  3. He signed D Cam Barker to replace D Kurtis Foster. 
  4. He traded for D Andy Sutton who replaced D Jim Vandermeer
  5. He signed L Darcy Hordichuk to replace R Steve MacIntyre. 
  6. He signed D Corey Potter to a 2-way deal.

Steve Tambellini settled all family business by tea time, after saying he didn't know if anything was going to happen the previous day. I don't blame him, but a "we're not sure if anything will happen" response to a question about trade deadlines or free agency isn't going to go far with me. 

WHAT COULD THEY DO AT THE DEADLINE?

There are all kinds of things the Oilers could do tomorrow. Add Mark Streit, add Travis Moen, add Ben Bishop. I think they could send away any of Ryan Whitney, Mark Fistric and Theo Peckham among defensemen; and forwards Ryan Jones and Ben Eager. 

However, deadline deals usually involve draft picks, and for the Oilers that brings up a difficult decision: sacrifice some future for the present (and possibly future) or stay the course?

Here are the Oilers draft picks for this year's edition:

  • Oilers 1st rd pick (currently #14--Lazar territory)
  • Oilers 2nd rd pick (currently #44--Tristan Jarry, Eric Comrie?)
  • Ducks 2nd rd pick (currently #58)
  • No 3rd rd pick (Fistric deal)
  • Oilers 4th rd pick (currently #106)
  • Oilers 5th rd pick (currently #136)
  • Oilers 6th rd pick (currently #166)
  • Oilers 7th rd pick (currently #196)

The diamond here is the first round pick, but the second rounders both have high value and appear to be the currency this deadline. Teams are mostly unwilling to deal a first round selection, but more willing to trade one or two second rounders.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

I'm just guessing, but if we wake up tomorrow and find out the Edmonton Oilers have acquired Mark Streit or Jamie McBain, I think one of those 2nd round picks will be part of the package.

Surely the leadup to this deadline tells us that much.

Do I think the Oilers add at the deadline? Yes. Yes I do. They owe it to the young, emerging talent and to those wonderful fans who laid out their hard earned coins and paid for last place hockey.

Surely that's a good enough reason to get better tomorrow.

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#1 Jeffff
April 02 2013, 07:29PM
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While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man.

Eventually the topic got around to politics and then they discussed some new guy who was far too big for his shoes as a politician.

The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, he is a post turtle’. Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was.

The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.

The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain. ‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up there in the first place.

STEVE TAMBELLINI is a post turtle.

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#2 dougtheslug
April 02 2013, 10:55PM
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DSF wrote:

Interesting that Montreal picks up Davis Drewiske, a very solid bottom pairing defenseman for a 5th round pick while Lowe & Co. stick with Potter and Peckham.

12 hours to go.

What do you think Tambellini is doing?

So very solid he has been a healthy scratch in 18 of Kings 35 games, despite injuries several dmen. He wasn't even ninth on the Kings depth chart. For a fifth. Whatever.

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#3 G Money
April 02 2013, 11:37PM
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DSF wrote:

The LA defense is far stronger than the Oilers.

And Drewiske has played as many games in the NHL this season than Fistric and Peckham combined.

While not an offensive defenseman, he also outscored Potter by a 2-1 margin.

He's an upgrade on ALL of them.

Indeed, in just 126 NHL games, Drewiske has put up a staggering 22 points, while Harry Potter has put up a mere 25 points in a titanic 93 NHL games.

But we all know that in DSF's World of Interpretive Statistics and Dance(tm), 126 games < 93 games and 22 pts > 25 pts.

Meanwhile in the real world, by eye or by stat, Potter >> Drewiske, despite the fact that Drewiske does indeed have the advantage of playing as part of a much stronger defense (and a bigger stronger offense for that matter).

It appears you can't spell OR count OR understand hockey. What a surprise.

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#4 Bucknuck
April 02 2013, 06:16PM
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"They owe it to the young, emerging talent and to those wonderful fans who laid out their hard earned coins and paid for last place hockey.

Surely that's a good enough reason to get better tomorrow."

Props props props. I am so tired of everyone saying next year. Screw that.

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#5 @Oilanderp
April 02 2013, 10:51PM
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It's funny how the team wins a couple games in a row and suddenly its time to go ALL IN!!! with a pair of suited connectors.

This is not about the past. This is not about what you, as a fan, want. This is not about emotion.

This is about asset management. Simple as that.

Anyone you aren't definitely going to sign next year YOU TRADE NOW. With those picks/prospects you have some additives to use in a deal to address needs.

Noone is saying you can't improve the team. But it better not be at the expense of the future for, say a 36 year old d-man.

I hope it is not 'anti-braveheart' or uncanadian or unoiler to suggest proper longterm asset management.

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#6 Oilcruzer
April 02 2013, 11:04PM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

It's funny how the team wins a couple games in a row and suddenly its time to go ALL IN!!! with a pair of suited connectors.

This is not about the past. This is not about what you, as a fan, want. This is not about emotion.

This is about asset management. Simple as that.

Anyone you aren't definitely going to sign next year YOU TRADE NOW. With those picks/prospects you have some additives to use in a deal to address needs.

Noone is saying you can't improve the team. But it better not be at the expense of the future for, say a 36 year old d-man.

I hope it is not 'anti-braveheart' or uncanadian or unoiler to suggest proper longterm asset management.

What he said.

Too little, too late. Capitalize on the desperation of others.

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#7 G Money
April 02 2013, 11:16PM
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DSF wrote:

Phhhttt....

Doughty

Voynov

Scuderi

Muzzin

Martinez

Ellerby

And now Regher.

Drewiske became expendable with the acquisition of Regher but it doesn't mean he isn't an upgrade on Potter, Peckham or Fistric.

If you're making judgements on games played, he's played 2 less than Potter and more than Fistric or Peckham

Can't believe I'm replying to the troll of trolls, but ...

All you've done is correctly described why Drewiske is basically Peckham or Fistric. 7th defenseman on the Oilers too. Worth a fifth round pick. Not worth anything to the Oilers. Not an upgrade on Potter.

And it's Regehr, not Regher.

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#8 dougtheslug
April 02 2013, 11:40PM
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DSF wrote:

The LA defense is far stronger than the Oilers.

And Drewiske has played as many games in the NHL this season than Fistric and Peckham combined.

While not an offensive defenseman, he also outscored Potter by a 2-1 margin.

He's an upgrade on ALL of them.

Drewiske's 28.He's not getting any better. Fistric is 3 years younger and hits harder. Drewiske had 4 points in 20 games vs 2 points in 22 games for Potter. Come on DSF, its past your bedtime and you are now trolling for the sake of trolling, not to make a cogent argument.

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#9 Jay
April 02 2013, 06:05PM
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After remembering what he did July 1st, maybe it is best if these guys don't do anything

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#10 TayLordBalls
April 02 2013, 06:17PM
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can
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DIG IT !

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#11 John Chambers
April 02 2013, 06:17PM
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Why is Jamie McBain in play? He's only 25, plays over 18 mins a night, on an excellent contract, and the Hurricanos aren't bursting at the seam with defensive talent.

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#13 michael
April 02 2013, 09:07PM
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Sell Whitney for 2 2cd rounders. Keep Fistric.Your not moving forward with Whitney so why keep him for 3 more weeks hoping to compete for the playoffs. Sure Whitney is the difference maker on this team. Get the picks and use them in June. Boston,Carolina, Detroit, and Toronto could use his skill package. If you keep Whitney. U keep his services until either the end of the month or another 10 days later than that after having Chicago steam roll us. Be hopeful yes.Be realistic the 2 picks could be more useful contrary to some pundits opinions.

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#14 G Money
April 02 2013, 09:36PM
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Why. Oh. Why. would *this* team, AT LEAST a year away from contending, give up *anything* to sign Mark Streit, a 36-year-old and on-the-decline defenseman, just to marginally increase the odds of making the playoffs this year?

Why?

If we trade some of our declining assets plus a pick for someone who will actually be around and contributing when we are a contender - hey, go for it.

Otherwise, stay pat or sell off the assets that are leaving this summer anyway.

Giving in to the urge to mortgage the future for short-term benefit "because we're mediocre and finally stand a snowball's chance in hell instead of no chance" is exactly the process that has given the Maple Laughs 40 years of futility.

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#15 David S
April 02 2013, 10:26PM
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G Money wrote:

Why. Oh. Why. would *this* team, AT LEAST a year away from contending, give up *anything* to sign Mark Streit, a 36-year-old and on-the-decline defenseman, just to marginally increase the odds of making the playoffs this year?

Why?

If we trade some of our declining assets plus a pick for someone who will actually be around and contributing when we are a contender - hey, go for it.

Otherwise, stay pat or sell off the assets that are leaving this summer anyway.

Giving in to the urge to mortgage the future for short-term benefit "because we're mediocre and finally stand a snowball's chance in hell instead of no chance" is exactly the process that has given the Maple Laughs 40 years of futility.

Before you contend you have to learn to contend. That means getting your butt kicked in the first round while you get to experience what it really takes to go the distance.

This whole myth about going from zero to a contender doesn't happen without paying your dues. We aren't "at least a year away from contending" if we don't make the show THIS YEAR.

With a shortened season and a young team more able to endure the intensity of the compact schedule, this one presents a unique opportunity for the Oilers. They can cut a year off of the development schedule by playing even four playoff games.

By that measure we would need a solid NHL-ready D-man (and no, not some dude out of college) and perhaps that coveted big winger (Penner?).

We have a crapload of picks and prospects already in the system. At some point any more of those doesn't get you anywhere. They're trading chips. Time to use a couple.

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#16 Giant Squid Overlord
April 02 2013, 11:01PM
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Jeffff wrote:

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man.

Eventually the topic got around to politics and then they discussed some new guy who was far too big for his shoes as a politician.

The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, he is a post turtle’. Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was.

The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.

The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain. ‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up there in the first place.

STEVE TAMBELLINI is a post turtle.

I hardly ever post, but I have to thank you for this post. Now every time I look at his head squeezing out of his suit collar, I will see "Tambo the turtle".

Can never get enough cowboy lingo.

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#17 Scary Gary
April 02 2013, 11:09PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I think they'd take Seth Jones. However, the Oilers are extremely unlikely to win the lottery and even if the actively try to lose won't catch some of the teams below them.

Time to turn the corner, commit to this team.

Two words Keith Yandle, the guys a stud. I think the oilers could pry him away from Phoenix for a first rounder (conditional 2013 if in the playoffs, or 2014 if not), a second/prospect and maybe a roster player that isn't under 24.

He's 26 and signed until 2016 at a $5.25 cap hit.

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#18 John Chambers
April 02 2013, 06:19PM
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@Bucknuck

Did you fail this test as a kid: http://healthland.time.com/2011/09/06/the-secrets-of-self-control-the-marshmallow-test-40-years-later/

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Tambo?? Do something?

Only thing he should do is

RESIGN* pretty please.

*Note I said RESIGN, as in quit, leave, get lost etc, not RE-SIGN.

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#20 jason
April 02 2013, 06:42PM
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They don't have to make all the trades today. This team will be rebuilding for awhile.

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#21 striatic
April 02 2013, 07:28PM
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San Jose gets to be a seller from a playoff position but Edmonton can't be?

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#22 Bruner
April 02 2013, 07:38PM
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It sounds like everyone is too hard on Tambi. I'm sure he'll make appropriate moves. I'm sure his moves or lack thereof will be better than we make sitting in front of computers, sniping from the easy seats.

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#23 Pharmboy
April 02 2013, 07:50PM
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This latest Oilers trade brought to you by the good people at President's Choice... one no-name from Edmonton for another from Washington... Enjoy!

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#25 Tyler
April 02 2013, 08:45PM
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Dear Lord, Please let us be sellers tomorrow. Not buyers. Rental are not an asset for us. Renting for what? A Cup? Let's face it. Jones is done here. Whitney is done. Bulin is/should not be coming back. AND, if we can pick up a couple of 2nd, rounders for that (or pass them all to the same team for a 1st, if there is a hockey god smiling), then lets do it. Open some contract space and sign a solid college player, draft D men and goalies in those spots and let them grow. If there is a log jam in the future, move them or others for way more value than a dozen games from players who are done here.

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#26 @Oilanderp
April 02 2013, 08:54PM
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@Tyler

Amen!

Sell you dummies! Sell! We aren't out of the forest yet. Some of you can lay all your money down on the 25% chance we make it but I would rather do what is best LONGTERM for the team, which is get value for assets before losing them for nothing. The math says removing Whitney should actually benefit the team. Do you think this team is going to fall apart by losing Jones? Really? ...and you're going all-in on that bet?

We've come this far, don't you DARE try to take a shortcut now.

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#27 FastOil
April 02 2013, 10:13PM
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B.C.B. wrote:

Here is an idea out of the blue:

Hartikainen (RFA) Gernat / Marincin / Klefbom? and the 2 second round picks

for

4 Million dollar real NHL defenseman

Gilbert (Min). 4 million / 1 year left Giordano (CAL) 4.02 Million / 3 years Green (WAS) 6 Million / 2 years Kulikov (FLO) 3.2 Million / 1 year Johnson (COL) 3.75 Million / 3 years Myers (BUF) 5.3 Million / lots

hell, Ehrhoff (Buf) or Carle / Brewer from Tampa . . . but the young defenseman heading out of town cannot be one of those three.

Most of those defenseman are going to be better hockey players (in the the spring and the next spring) than Hartikainen & one of those blue chips are going to be. Especially over the lives of those contracts, and you get some RFA years with Kulikov. Not all three of those young defensemen are going to be NHLers: I think it is the GM's job to decided who it is not and trade them. Even if that said GM is wrong, at least they tried to complete their job.

Plus I really don't care about in two years, after not completing for the playoffs in years.

As long as he's 25 or under and dominate right now. Trading any future for a guy around 30 is buying his declining years, not his future performance. That player can be helpful, but not at a premium - at a discount.

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#28 Westcoastoil
April 02 2013, 11:08PM
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Unless there is a deal to add a legit top 4D who doesn't have a bad contract, or some other knock your socks off deal - which is unlikely - other than Belly and 1 of Peckham or Fistric I think they should sit tight. The value of them believing in themselves as a group and fighting tooth and nail to get into the playoffs is worth more than a 2nd rounder in the big picture.

I'd be real nervous to move MPS and for all the ridicule they get from fans here I suspect as a trio our top 3C are better than most teams. Let the youth have 1 more summer to grow.

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#29 Bucknuck
April 02 2013, 11:29PM
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@Scary Gary

That sounds great to me.

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#30 dougtheslug
April 02 2013, 11:31PM
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G Money wrote:

Can't believe I'm replying to the troll of trolls, but ...

All you've done is correctly described why Drewiske is basically Peckham or Fistric. 7th defenseman on the Oilers too. Worth a fifth round pick. Not worth anything to the Oilers. Not an upgrade on Potter.

And it's Regehr, not Regher.

You left Green off your list. And a few of their prospects in Manchester. So basically you agree he wasn't even ninth on the Kings depth chart. And he is 28. The Oilers already have Potter, Fistric and Peckham. Please explain how you know, and can claim, categorically, that he is an upgrade on those three, and would be worth a draft pick, however low.

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#31 BroncoBilly
April 02 2013, 06:29PM
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Between the Oiler's pro-scouts less than stellar record and Tammy's dithering indecisiveness I'm not sure I want him sculpting this team...

The Oiler drafting record going back to the pre-Tammy days is horrificly incompetent. That can be laid at the feet of KLowe. His judgement is really suspect when it comes to draft selections and trades. The only ray of hope may be Macgregor if he is allowed to have a truly free hand to decide the amateur draft selections without background interference.

I wonder what Katz thinks of Lowe's proficiency with a glaring record of trade lunacy since he arrived to take the helm.

Bottom line I don't really trust the judgement of Oiler management given their record. Tammy has been out-managed and out-manoeuvered by every GM west of the Pecos.

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#32 Clarence Oveur
April 02 2013, 06:38PM
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I'm betting that Tambo will evaluate the market and decide to do something...two days after the deadline has passed.

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#33 kdunbar
April 02 2013, 06:46PM
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Lets pretend that the oilers don't make the play-offs and win the lottery. Who do they take?

Does the chance of missing the play-offs and possibly giving up the first overall enter into the equation?

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#34 bleedingoil
April 02 2013, 06:54PM
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Streit will not sign an extension in New York.....Will Tammy offer a 3 year deal here?

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#35 Ryan2
April 02 2013, 06:55PM
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After watching Tambi's interview at the intermission last night, my respect in his abilities dropped even lower that was before. He sounded like a 60 year old boxer that had taken way too many shots to the head. This is mean to say, but the first two things that came to my mind during the interview were:

1) he had to have been wearing a clip on tie, or his someone else ties it for him, as he could be a danger to himself trying to make a go of it alone.

2) can he tie his own shoelaces, or does he wear runners with Velcro straps like kids do in kindergarten?

If he is that terrible of an interview, why do the Oilers even let him go on air? Don't they care how it reflects on their organization?

At the least, it did reconfirm that KLowe is the one running the show...........

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#36 Bucknuck
April 02 2013, 06:56PM
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John Chambers wrote:

Did you fail this test as a kid: http://healthland.time.com/2011/09/06/the-secrets-of-self-control-the-marshmallow-test-40-years-later/

ha ha props. I don't mean doing something for the sake of doing something, but after this many years, for them to be this close, I am finding myself really impatient to see some Oilers playoff hockey.

I really don't mind losing some picks at this point. I am tired of the draft being the high point of the season.

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#37 kdunbar
April 02 2013, 06:56PM
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I understand if it is moving from 14th it is only 2 - 3 % but does this enter into the equation of assests to give up in a trade?

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#38 westcoastoil
April 02 2013, 06:57PM
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I wonder if one of Whitney/Peckham/Potter + a 2nd gets you Streit? If we're lucky we could toss in Pitlick/Hamilton and shed one of our contracts

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#39 John Chambers
April 02 2013, 07:00PM
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@Bucknuck

I'm with ya.

Wish we could wait another week to see if this team is for real though. Also, seems like 1st rounders aren't in play except for Iginla and JBo and we don't have anyone that calibre we want to part with.

Okay I'm on board with you - lets roll the dice and add some blue.

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#40 plikestechno
April 02 2013, 07:03PM
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No one left is worth paying much for. Is Mark Streit going to be the difference between getting in and not? I don't think so. Maybe if Whitney is traded for something decent earlier in the trade. Could Whitney get the same return after the season just before the UFA window by trading the rights to sign with someone? Would he take a cheap cheque to stay for a year or two as he may not get a spot on other teams?

If we bring guys in who goes out? We have enough guys on NHL contracts already.

My guys is that things will be very quiet for the Oilers tomorrow. Being this close to a playoff spot on a 4 game winning streak, I don't expect them to tinker with much with the team.

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#41 Justin
April 02 2013, 07:10PM
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@plikestechno

I have a feeling Oilers will go after Antoine Laganiere which would another contract.

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#42 Lochenzo
April 02 2013, 07:11PM
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Maybe picking up Stafford allows the Oil to part with Teubert. Package him with a pick.

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#43 Rama Lama
April 02 2013, 07:23PM
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Tamby is not capable of pulling off a trade of significance........he is good at getting marginal players that no one has ever heard of, and players nobody wants.

I suspect that after all the big dogs eat, he quietly shows up and asks for scraps...........the guy is totally over his head in the GM position, probably the reason LOwe hired him. I'm starting to suspect he has no brain.........his answers based on Gene Principe's softball questions, are so repetitive and elementary. I can just see him practicing all these question in the mirror prior to the interview, what a joke of a GM he is.

Bring on Burke, at least everyone knows he has a brain.

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#44 DSF
April 02 2013, 07:39PM
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Jeffff wrote:

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man.

Eventually the topic got around to politics and then they discussed some new guy who was far too big for his shoes as a politician.

The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, he is a post turtle’. Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was.

The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.

The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain. ‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up there in the first place.

STEVE TAMBELLINI is a post turtle.

Best post in....well...forever.

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#45 15w40
April 02 2013, 07:50PM
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I say don't remove any roster players unless you have someone to replace them. I.E. Swap Jones for Streit - Hartikainen replaces Jones.

Fistric OR Peckham can go but not both. Maybe package up a couple picks for Ben Bishop or one of the above Dmen and a pick. Need somebody to push Dubnyk.

Don't create a hole on the current roster that you can't fill to continue the competitive upswing.

If you can land Bishop - see if you can get a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Khabibulin. Having extra picks is never bad as it seems to be pretty solid currency at trade deadline.

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#46 dawgtoy
April 02 2013, 08:08PM
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RALEIGH, N.C. -- Carolina Hurricanes defenceman Joni Pitkanen left Tuesday night's game against Washington early with an apparent leg injury.

Pitkanen was hurt with 1:57 left in the second period when he raced down the ice while trying to beat an icing call and collided with the Capitals' Troy Brouwer while hitting the boards.

He writhed on the ice in obvious pain and was taken off on a stretcher with his hands covering his face.

Pitkanen has one goal and eight assists in 22 games with the Hurricanes.

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#47 gcw_rocks
April 02 2013, 08:32PM
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McBain and Jokinen for Whitney, Plante/Cornet and Belanger?

Canes get Whitney to run the PP when Pitkanen is injured, which is often, and Belanger is cheaper to buy out than Jokinen.

Oilers get McBain to play on the 3rd pairing. They get an upgrade over Belanger and rid themselves of Plante's or some other lower tier prospect's contract to sign a college FA.

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#48 CM
April 02 2013, 08:46PM
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LT what would the oilers have had to offer to make the deal for Jagr work? it doesn't seem like a second (1st if we won 2 playoff rounds) and a couple of mid tier prospects was a very large price to pay. Would we be talking a second and Pitlick and cornet or Rajalaa?

Does Omark have any value here? a 2nd and Omark + Hamilton?

It sure would have been nice to add Jagr for the stretch drive.

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#50 Oilcruzer
April 02 2013, 09:46PM
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Fun to rag on Tambo but he could have been Feaster.

You hope to come out a little better in a trade. He did on those clowns from last year. At the very least, I give him props for not sitting on his hands and making us watch the same clowns again.

Thank God we don't have to see Just Freaking Jacques one more year.

I think the Oil have to win minimum 8 and likely 9 of the last 13. Is that realistic when you look at the body of work from the season? Not likely so you may as well move Whitney.

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