NO MONEY DOWN

Lowetide
April 02 2013 06:03PM

 

Once upon a time, Oilers GM Steve Tambellini told us things would be quiet, that he didn't know if he'd be busy. Bright and early the next morning, hell was a poppin'. 

June 30, 2011 :"I don't know if anything is going to happen. We already have some young players in some profile spots. If I can find a player or two who gives us some of that poise and experience or some grit we'll do that. I don't know if it'll happen July 1 or July 20."  Steve Tambellini.

OH YEAH? July 1, 2011

  1. He signed C Eric Belanger to replace C Colin Fraser.
  2. He signed L Ben Eager to replace L JF Jacques.
  3. He signed D Cam Barker to replace D Kurtis Foster. 
  4. He traded for D Andy Sutton who replaced D Jim Vandermeer
  5. He signed L Darcy Hordichuk to replace R Steve MacIntyre. 
  6. He signed D Corey Potter to a 2-way deal.

Steve Tambellini settled all family business by tea time, after saying he didn't know if anything was going to happen the previous day. I don't blame him, but a "we're not sure if anything will happen" response to a question about trade deadlines or free agency isn't going to go far with me. 

WHAT COULD THEY DO AT THE DEADLINE?

There are all kinds of things the Oilers could do tomorrow. Add Mark Streit, add Travis Moen, add Ben Bishop. I think they could send away any of Ryan Whitney, Mark Fistric and Theo Peckham among defensemen; and forwards Ryan Jones and Ben Eager. 

However, deadline deals usually involve draft picks, and for the Oilers that brings up a difficult decision: sacrifice some future for the present (and possibly future) or stay the course?

Here are the Oilers draft picks for this year's edition:

  • Oilers 1st rd pick (currently #14--Lazar territory)
  • Oilers 2nd rd pick (currently #44--Tristan Jarry, Eric Comrie?)
  • Ducks 2nd rd pick (currently #58)
  • No 3rd rd pick (Fistric deal)
  • Oilers 4th rd pick (currently #106)
  • Oilers 5th rd pick (currently #136)
  • Oilers 6th rd pick (currently #166)
  • Oilers 7th rd pick (currently #196)

The diamond here is the first round pick, but the second rounders both have high value and appear to be the currency this deadline. Teams are mostly unwilling to deal a first round selection, but more willing to trade one or two second rounders.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

I'm just guessing, but if we wake up tomorrow and find out the Edmonton Oilers have acquired Mark Streit or Jamie McBain, I think one of those 2nd round picks will be part of the package.

Surely the leadup to this deadline tells us that much.

Do I think the Oilers add at the deadline? Yes. Yes I do. They owe it to the young, emerging talent and to those wonderful fans who laid out their hard earned coins and paid for last place hockey.

Surely that's a good enough reason to get better tomorrow.

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#51 @Oilanderp
April 02 2013, 10:51PM
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It's funny how the team wins a couple games in a row and suddenly its time to go ALL IN!!! with a pair of suited connectors.

This is not about the past. This is not about what you, as a fan, want. This is not about emotion.

This is about asset management. Simple as that.

Anyone you aren't definitely going to sign next year YOU TRADE NOW. With those picks/prospects you have some additives to use in a deal to address needs.

Noone is saying you can't improve the team. But it better not be at the expense of the future for, say a 36 year old d-man.

I hope it is not 'anti-braveheart' or uncanadian or unoiler to suggest proper longterm asset management.

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#52 Hammers
April 02 2013, 10:53PM
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If Whitney isn't traded they should offer a 2 year deal at $3mil and trade him next year . After the year his had this is a fair offer and gives him that chance to comeback ( like Hemsky).Same goes for Jones but at $ 1.25 mill . Do nothing and it tells the paying public a lot .

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#53 dougtheslug
April 02 2013, 10:55PM
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DSF wrote:

Interesting that Montreal picks up Davis Drewiske, a very solid bottom pairing defenseman for a 5th round pick while Lowe & Co. stick with Potter and Peckham.

12 hours to go.

What do you think Tambellini is doing?

So very solid he has been a healthy scratch in 18 of Kings 35 games, despite injuries several dmen. He wasn't even ninth on the Kings depth chart. For a fifth. Whatever.

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#54 Giant Squid Overlord
April 02 2013, 11:01PM
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Jeffff wrote:

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old Texas rancher, whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man.

Eventually the topic got around to politics and then they discussed some new guy who was far too big for his shoes as a politician.

The old rancher said, ‘Well, ya know, he is a post turtle’. Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a ‘post turtle’ was.

The old rancher said, ‘When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a ‘post turtle’.

The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain. ‘You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up there in the first place.

STEVE TAMBELLINI is a post turtle.

I hardly ever post, but I have to thank you for this post. Now every time I look at his head squeezing out of his suit collar, I will see "Tambo the turtle".

Can never get enough cowboy lingo.

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#55 Oilcruzer
April 02 2013, 11:01PM
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Ed wrote:

Feaster is Tammy, Tammy is Feaster.

Hardly. One is a figurehead manager while the other acts or speaks and then, maybe, thinks.

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#56 DSF
April 02 2013, 11:02PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

So very solid he has been a healthy scratch in 18 of Kings 35 games, despite injuries several dmen. He wasn't even ninth on the Kings depth chart. For a fifth. Whatever.

Phhhttt....

Doughty

Voynov

Scuderi

Muzzin

Martinez

Ellerby

And now Regher.

Drewiske became expendable with the acquisition of Regher but it doesn't mean he isn't an upgrade on Potter, Peckham or Fistric.

If you're making judgements on games played, he's played 2 less than Potter and more than Fistric or Peckham

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#57 Oilcruzer
April 02 2013, 11:04PM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

It's funny how the team wins a couple games in a row and suddenly its time to go ALL IN!!! with a pair of suited connectors.

This is not about the past. This is not about what you, as a fan, want. This is not about emotion.

This is about asset management. Simple as that.

Anyone you aren't definitely going to sign next year YOU TRADE NOW. With those picks/prospects you have some additives to use in a deal to address needs.

Noone is saying you can't improve the team. But it better not be at the expense of the future for, say a 36 year old d-man.

I hope it is not 'anti-braveheart' or uncanadian or unoiler to suggest proper longterm asset management.

What he said.

Too little, too late. Capitalize on the desperation of others.

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#58 Westcoastoil
April 02 2013, 11:08PM
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Unless there is a deal to add a legit top 4D who doesn't have a bad contract, or some other knock your socks off deal - which is unlikely - other than Belly and 1 of Peckham or Fistric I think they should sit tight. The value of them believing in themselves as a group and fighting tooth and nail to get into the playoffs is worth more than a 2nd rounder in the big picture.

I'd be real nervous to move MPS and for all the ridicule they get from fans here I suspect as a trio our top 3C are better than most teams. Let the youth have 1 more summer to grow.

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#59 Bucknuck
April 02 2013, 11:08PM
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@@Oilanderp

I am pretty sure a puppy died somewhere because of what you said. Very unbraveheart of you. You'd make a good noble I guess. joking. I just disagree.

Proper longterm asset management would be to try and get these kids some playoff experience while expectations are low. I don't think whitney gets better than a third round pick, and personally I would rather see what the team can do rather than see management hinder them.

I am not afraid to lose a player that can be replaced in the off-season.

The chances that whatever you get for Whitney will help the future of the franchise is not as good as the chances that adding assets might get this team into the playoffs.

It's a gamble either way, but at least you are gambling to win, instead of gambling because of lack of faith.

"I find your lack of faith disturbing." - Darth Vader

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#60 Scary Gary
April 02 2013, 11:09PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I think they'd take Seth Jones. However, the Oilers are extremely unlikely to win the lottery and even if the actively try to lose won't catch some of the teams below them.

Time to turn the corner, commit to this team.

Two words Keith Yandle, the guys a stud. I think the oilers could pry him away from Phoenix for a first rounder (conditional 2013 if in the playoffs, or 2014 if not), a second/prospect and maybe a roster player that isn't under 24.

He's 26 and signed until 2016 at a $5.25 cap hit.

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#61 G Money
April 02 2013, 11:11PM
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David S wrote:

Before you contend you have to learn to contend. That means getting your butt kicked in the first round while you get to experience what it really takes to go the distance.

This whole myth about going from zero to a contender doesn't happen without paying your dues. We aren't "at least a year away from contending" if we don't make the show THIS YEAR.

With a shortened season and a young team more able to endure the intensity of the compact schedule, this one presents a unique opportunity for the Oilers. They can cut a year off of the development schedule by playing even four playoff games.

By that measure we would need a solid NHL-ready D-man (and no, not some dude out of college) and perhaps that coveted big winger (Penner?).

We have a crapload of picks and prospects already in the system. At some point any more of those doesn't get you anywhere. They're trading chips. Time to use a couple.

Getting your butt kicked in the first round IS part of becoming a contender. NOTHING says it has to be this year, or even that it will be valuable.

Getting your butt kicked in the first round is only valuable and meaningful if you get your butt kicked by a LESS TALENTED team. The learning part comes from understanding how much harder and how much more sacrifice it is to win in the playoffs than in the regular season.

Getting wasted in the first round by a vastly more talented and more experienced team like the Hawks is not going to teach the kids anything other then that they're not as good.

After years in the sewer, the kids are learning plenty just being in the playoff hunt.

That was the reasonable expectation for this year - to be playing meaningful games in April - and that mission has been accomplished.

To give away future value for a meaningless improvement this year seems to me a lot like being a fan of premature ejaculation (or as I said before, the Maple Leafs).

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#62 G Money
April 02 2013, 11:16PM
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DSF wrote:

Phhhttt....

Doughty

Voynov

Scuderi

Muzzin

Martinez

Ellerby

And now Regher.

Drewiske became expendable with the acquisition of Regher but it doesn't mean he isn't an upgrade on Potter, Peckham or Fistric.

If you're making judgements on games played, he's played 2 less than Potter and more than Fistric or Peckham

Can't believe I'm replying to the troll of trolls, but ...

All you've done is correctly described why Drewiske is basically Peckham or Fistric. 7th defenseman on the Oilers too. Worth a fifth round pick. Not worth anything to the Oilers. Not an upgrade on Potter.

And it's Regehr, not Regher.

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#63 DSF
April 02 2013, 11:26PM
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G Money wrote:

Can't believe I'm replying to the troll of trolls, but ...

All you've done is correctly described why Drewiske is basically Peckham or Fistric. 7th defenseman on the Oilers too. Worth a fifth round pick. Not worth anything to the Oilers. Not an upgrade on Potter.

And it's Regehr, not Regher.

The LA defense is far stronger than the Oilers.

And Drewiske has played as many games in the NHL this season than Fistric and Peckham combined.

While not an offensive defenseman, he also outscored Potter by a 2-1 margin.

He's an upgrade on ALL of them.

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#64 Bucknuck
April 02 2013, 11:29PM
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@Scary Gary

That sounds great to me.

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#65 dougtheslug
April 02 2013, 11:31PM
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G Money wrote:

Can't believe I'm replying to the troll of trolls, but ...

All you've done is correctly described why Drewiske is basically Peckham or Fistric. 7th defenseman on the Oilers too. Worth a fifth round pick. Not worth anything to the Oilers. Not an upgrade on Potter.

And it's Regehr, not Regher.

You left Green off your list. And a few of their prospects in Manchester. So basically you agree he wasn't even ninth on the Kings depth chart. And he is 28. The Oilers already have Potter, Fistric and Peckham. Please explain how you know, and can claim, categorically, that he is an upgrade on those three, and would be worth a draft pick, however low.

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#66 dougtheslug
April 02 2013, 11:33PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

You left Green off your list. And a few of their prospects in Manchester. So basically you agree he wasn't even ninth on the Kings depth chart. And he is 28. The Oilers already have Potter, Fistric and Peckham. Please explain how you know, and can claim, categorically, that he is an upgrade on those three, and would be worth a draft pick, however low.

sorry, meant for DSF

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#67 G Money
April 02 2013, 11:37PM
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DSF wrote:

The LA defense is far stronger than the Oilers.

And Drewiske has played as many games in the NHL this season than Fistric and Peckham combined.

While not an offensive defenseman, he also outscored Potter by a 2-1 margin.

He's an upgrade on ALL of them.

Indeed, in just 126 NHL games, Drewiske has put up a staggering 22 points, while Harry Potter has put up a mere 25 points in a titanic 93 NHL games.

But we all know that in DSF's World of Interpretive Statistics and Dance(tm), 126 games < 93 games and 22 pts > 25 pts.

Meanwhile in the real world, by eye or by stat, Potter >> Drewiske, despite the fact that Drewiske does indeed have the advantage of playing as part of a much stronger defense (and a bigger stronger offense for that matter).

It appears you can't spell OR count OR understand hockey. What a surprise.

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#68 dougtheslug
April 02 2013, 11:40PM
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DSF wrote:

The LA defense is far stronger than the Oilers.

And Drewiske has played as many games in the NHL this season than Fistric and Peckham combined.

While not an offensive defenseman, he also outscored Potter by a 2-1 margin.

He's an upgrade on ALL of them.

Drewiske's 28.He's not getting any better. Fistric is 3 years younger and hits harder. Drewiske had 4 points in 20 games vs 2 points in 22 games for Potter. Come on DSF, its past your bedtime and you are now trolling for the sake of trolling, not to make a cogent argument.

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#69 G Money
April 02 2013, 11:41PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

sorry, meant for DSF

I figured, but I am going to get into a snit anyway! Why? Because internet.

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#70 dougtheslug
April 02 2013, 11:43PM
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G Money wrote:

Indeed, in just 126 NHL games, Drewiske has put up a staggering 22 points, while Harry Potter has put up a mere 25 points in a titanic 93 NHL games.

But we all know that in DSF's World of Interpretive Statistics and Dance(tm), 126 games < 93 games and 22 pts > 25 pts.

Meanwhile in the real world, by eye or by stat, Potter >> Drewiske, despite the fact that Drewiske does indeed have the advantage of playing as part of a much stronger defense (and a bigger stronger offense for that matter).

It appears you can't spell OR count OR understand hockey. What a surprise.

Touche, G Money. But we've both wasted too much energy on this one.

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#71 @Oilanderp
April 02 2013, 11:50PM
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@Bucknuck

The thing is that these kids will get playoff experience when THEY get us there, not some magical soon to be UFA 36 year old d-man, for instance. These kids are the core, they are what we went through all of this suck for, they ARE the Oilers.

I'm just saying that if they go on a huge unlikely run and squeak in, it won't be because of Whitney. It will be because of them. Get return on the assets we are about to lose and let Pecks play a few games.

Sure, we can be both buyers and sellers... I just want us to sell the players we should, and not hold on to them because of some sort of foundationless belief that everything will collapse if we trade a few bottom of the roster players.

If this team can't get into the playoffs because we lose Whitney, Jones, and Khabibulin, then we really weren't getting into the playoffs anyway. Let's be grown ups about it.

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#72 DSF
April 02 2013, 11:58PM
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dougtheslug wrote:

Drewiske's 28.He's not getting any better. Fistric is 3 years younger and hits harder. Drewiske had 4 points in 20 games vs 2 points in 22 games for Potter. Come on DSF, its past your bedtime and you are now trolling for the sake of trolling, not to make a cogent argument.

Hits harder?

LOL.

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#73 Bucknuck
April 02 2013, 11:59PM
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@@Oilanderp

Whitney and Jones both fill a useful role on the team. If you trade them, then you have to fill those roles.

Yeah the kids are the the ones driving the bus, but Whitney is better than Peckham in most people's minds, so trading him away hurts their chances.

The team plays much better with Jones doing his mad hustle on the wing. Did you see him and Yakupov the other night. Why would you trade him? He wants to be part of the team so maybe they re-sign him.

Or they sign someone else. But there is a reason a team would add those players. Depth. Something a team needs to get in the playoffs. So why should the Oilers trade it away?

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#74 K_Mart
April 03 2013, 12:27AM
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Jonesy is an effective depth forward and pk guy who will never ask for more than he is worth and wants to be here.

MAKES ZERO SENSE TO TRADE HIM. Stauffer had better be talking out of his ass.

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#75 Wax Man Riley
April 03 2013, 12:53AM
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K_Mart wrote:

Jonesy is an effective depth forward and pk guy who will never ask for more than he is worth and wants to be here.

MAKES ZERO SENSE TO TRADE HIM. Stauffer had better be talking out of his ass.

I've usually liked Jones, but I think I saw him through Oilers-coloured glasses.

He's a decent skater, decent penalty killer, and can get into the corners a little. My problem with him is that if he gets the puck in the corner, he can't do anything with it.

I've seen him at least twice in the last 2 games, get the puck in the offensive zone corner, and fire a blind backhand to the slot. Maybe he just didn't have support, but he just willingly turned it over instead of taking an extra split second to look over his shoulder.

No hockey sense

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#76 Wax Man Riley
April 03 2013, 12:55AM
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But I guess if you can re-sign him at 1-1.5, he is a decent 3-4

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#77 @Oilanderp
April 03 2013, 01:34AM
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He was picked up on waivers. Also, you don't have to dislike a player in order to trade him. Buy low sell high sorta thing. Is Harski that much worse than Jones?

Anyway let's see how people like our UFAS next week when we are out of playoff contention. It is a very steep hill we have to climb. Verrrry steep.

It's just not a good idea to set yourself up to depend on things turning out with the best possible outcome.

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#78 BCISLEMAN
April 03 2013, 02:23AM
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Doubt Mark Streit will be traded at all. If he is, it will not be for picks. It will be to improve the team as it makes a playoff run.

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