NUGENT-HOPKINS NEEDS SURGERY

Jason Gregor
April 21 2013 11:25AM

Ryan Nugent-Hopkin's season is over. He will have shoulder surgery, as early as this Tuesday in Cleveland.

He has a suspected labrum tear in his left shoulder. Last year they fixed his AC joint on the same shoulder, but now he will need the same surgery Taylor Hall had last year.

Hall's season ended on March 27th last year, he had surgery on April 3rd, and he played his first game in OKC on November 2nd, 2012.

Nugent-Hopkins might have surgery as early as this Tuesday, April 23rd, but that means he likely won't play until mid-November. Due to the lockout the Oilers didn't have to rush Hall back, and the Oilers will need to fight the urge to get RNH back on the ice next season.

Just like Hall, Nugent-Hopkin's injury dates back to junior. Hall told me last fall that the surgery process is painful, but that he felt much better, he also said he was glad he didn't have to rush back due to the lockout. The Oilers must play it safe with RNH in October and give him significant time to heal.

It is fair to ask why RNH didn't have this surgery a month ago because it was clear from the start of the season that he's been struggling. I wasn't at the morning skate so I couldn't ask him, but it is something I will ask tomorrow. I suspect the answer will be that they were the hunt for the playoffs and the doctors said he couldn't injure it any worse than it was. 

There is no chance Nugent-Hopkins will be ready for the season opener, and that means the Oilers will be without their #1 centre. I understand the Oilers wanted to compete for the playoffs this year, but I think they should have sent Nugent-Hopkins to the surgeon much sooner.

 

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#101 messyEH!
April 21 2013, 02:51PM
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Sather won his cups as a coach and a GM. What has Lowe won since he stopped following Messier around... crickets... besides my opinion of low has nothing to do with Sather. I judge the man on his own record. Lowe being a living piece of hockey paraphernalia for Katz. Does not excuse his arrogance and mismanagement of my beloved Oilers.

As a side note the next time Sourays in town we should give him an ovation for being the only person on the "inside" to call out Klowe and company.

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#102 Ambassador humantorch
April 21 2013, 02:52PM
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morgie99 wrote:

STOP WITH THE CAPS LOCK LOL

HOW DARE YOU QUESTION THE WISDOM OF THE CLEARLY-NOT-CRAZY NARNIA.

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#103 Wax Man Riley
April 21 2013, 02:54PM
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Jasmine wrote:

STOP BLAMING LOWE. THIS IS NOT LOWE'S FAULT. THIS IS TAMBELLINI'S FAULT. I'M GETTING FED UP WITH LOWE GETTING BLAMED AND TAMBELLINI GETTING A FREE RIDE. THIS IS TABELLINI'S FAULT AS IT TAKES HIM TOO LONG TO ASSESS. STOP THE LOWE BASHING. NO WONDER PLAYERS DON'T SIGN IN EDMONTON. THEY'LL GET BASHED AND RUN OUT OF TOWN BY SO-CALLED OILERS FANS.

bash bash bash bash

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#104 Wax Man Riley
April 21 2013, 02:57PM
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Jasmine wrote:

THIS IS NOT ON LOWE. THIS IS ON TAMBELLINI. FANS HAVE TO STOP BLAMING LOWE AND GIVING TAMBELLINI A FREE RIDE. SOURAY DIDN'T COMPLAIN WHEN LOWE WAS GM. THIS HAPPENED WITH TAMBELLINI AS GM.

OILERS FANS NEED TO STOP BLAMING LOWE AND SAYING TAMBELLINI IS LOWE'S PUPPET. THIS IS ALL ON TAMBELLINI.

Man, that Lowe guy sure messed this organization up.

Lowe is the worst GM in the league and he doesn't know how to win a free space in bingo.

bash bash Lowe bash Lowe bash bash

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#105 Smokey
April 21 2013, 03:04PM
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Jasmine wrote:

Oilers are still getting bashed for drafting Hall instead of Seguin. They got bashed big time when Seguin got his first goal prior to Hall.

Oilers are still getting bashed for drafting RNH over Landeskog/Larsson. They say Landeskog was the better player and RNH should be sent back to junior to save $.

Oilers are still getting bashed for drafting Yakupov ahead of Murray/Galchenyuk. They say they need defesnse and not a forward.

The bashing goes on and on because Slats is no longer the GM.

The Oilers drafted the right players period. The only debatable was Hall Seguin. On Slats, he got a free pass for his drafting, no one cared cause he was a master of attracting players through trades.

On Lowe, he's made 2 playoffs in 10 years. His rests on his laurels and has the gaul to say he's qualified because he rode coat-tails to 6 cups, and 2006 his team caught lightning in a bottle. Yes that's a slam, I respect his competitive nature, and his drive but drive doesn' t make you competent, it makes you overlook the other intangibles your missing. Its all he has, the intangibles that make Lou Lamorrello great, Bryan Murray outstanding, and Holland the shiznit are the ability to access talent and attract players to your organization. As one poster eloquently alluded to, Lowe's an arrogant SOB, and veteran players have known not to come to Edmonton in the past. We're stuck in the New York Islanders rebuild, albeit after how many years and so many failed experiments finally succeeded. All we can look forward to is eventually gaining enough young talent so we can't help but win. Any GM in the NHL could do that. It takes a brain like Bryan Murray to escape the shackles of a painful rebuild.

If MacT makes that bold deal, I'll be his first nuthugger, well, sorta.

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#106 Quicksilver ballet
April 21 2013, 03:04PM
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Why are we not surprised. This from an organization who reminds all of its staff not to search Google, on Google, or it will break the internet. This goes for you too Jasmine/Narnia.

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#107 Serious Gord
April 21 2013, 03:11PM
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Jasmine wrote:

THIS IS NOT ON LOWE. THIS IS ON TAMBELLINI. FANS HAVE TO STOP BLAMING LOWE AND GIVING TAMBELLINI A FREE RIDE. SOURAY DIDN'T COMPLAIN WHEN LOWE WAS GM. THIS HAPPENED WITH TAMBELLINI AS GM.

OILERS FANS NEED TO STOP BLAMING LOWE AND SAYING TAMBELLINI IS LOWE'S PUPPET. THIS IS ALL ON TAMBELLINI.

Even Lowe admits that he was involved.

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#108 Serious Gord
April 21 2013, 03:11PM
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Jasmine wrote:

THIS IS NOT ON LOWE. THIS IS ON TAMBELLINI. FANS HAVE TO STOP BLAMING LOWE AND GIVING TAMBELLINI A FREE RIDE. SOURAY DIDN'T COMPLAIN WHEN LOWE WAS GM. THIS HAPPENED WITH TAMBELLINI AS GM.

OILERS FANS NEED TO STOP BLAMING LOWE AND SAYING TAMBELLINI IS LOWE'S PUPPET. THIS IS ALL ON TAMBELLINI.

Even Lowe admits that he was involved.

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#109 DSF
April 21 2013, 03:17PM
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messyEH! wrote:

Sather won his cups as a coach and a GM. What has Lowe won since he stopped following Messier around... crickets... besides my opinion of low has nothing to do with Sather. I judge the man on his own record. Lowe being a living piece of hockey paraphernalia for Katz. Does not excuse his arrogance and mismanagement of my beloved Oilers.

As a side note the next time Sourays in town we should give him an ovation for being the only person on the "inside" to call out Klowe and company.

Golly...that would be tonight...and tomorrow.

Go Big Sexy!

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#110 Smokey
April 21 2013, 03:19PM
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messyEH! wrote:

Sather won his cups as a coach and a GM. What has Lowe won since he stopped following Messier around... crickets... besides my opinion of low has nothing to do with Sather. I judge the man on his own record. Lowe being a living piece of hockey paraphernalia for Katz. Does not excuse his arrogance and mismanagement of my beloved Oilers.

As a side note the next time Sourays in town we should give him an ovation for being the only person on the "inside" to call out Klowe and company.

I got a Souray Jersey,

however being a second rate fan I don't have a ticket tonight. I declare we start a Souray fan club. I vow to bring a sign next season to a Anaheim game that says:

SOURAY, WE'RE SORRY, YOU WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG, NOT ALL US FANS BELIEVE THE PROPAGANDA....

Heck, I wish I could afford tickets for the next five games...Someone really needs to start the "FIRE LO-WE!" chants. I'd settle for a give us Wang chant too to send a message to Katz.

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#111 oilers2k10
April 21 2013, 03:32PM
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My wife walked by the other day as I was watching Post Game interviews and she couldn't believe how big Taylor Hall looked compared to previous years..I think the rehab from that shoulder surgery probably included a ton of upper body workouts, RNH will be fine, if anything this could be a blessing in disguise, would've been nice if Oilers would've called a surgery date a month ago but if he gets the surgery this week it gives him a bit over six months before the start of next season, he will be fine..bigger, stronger, better.

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#112 Spydyr
April 21 2013, 03:51PM
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I love magic beans.Eberle was magic beans....MMMM ,MMMM good.

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#113 Rama Lama
April 21 2013, 03:55PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

Well of course Horcoff too.

Everybody know EVERYTHING is Horcoff's fault

Not everything is HOrcoff's fault.........it's just too bad people think he is good, as it delays improvements where improvement is needed.

He is a good fourth line center.

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#114 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
April 21 2013, 04:01PM
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dearest jasmine,

Could you please find a different word to use other than bash.

kindest regards,

the word bash

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#115 Rama Lama
April 21 2013, 04:02PM
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Jasmine wrote:

Enough Lowe bashing already. LOWE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS AND OILERS FANS HAVE TO STOP LOOKING FOR EXCUSES TO BASH LOWE. TAMBELLINI IS NOT LOWE'S PUPPET. THIS IS ALL ON TAMBELLINI.

I'm getting fed up of fans giving Tambellini a free ride and blaming it all on Lowe. This is on Tambellini as it takes him too long to assess.

Who was Tamby's Boss? Have you been watching Oil Change?

Tamby did nothing without Lowe's permission......you can take that to the bank.

Lowe is ego maniac with the IQ of a retarded monkey........which is why he needs to go to the zoo and get admitted.

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#116 Rama Lama
April 21 2013, 04:06PM
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messyEH! wrote:

Sather won his cups as a coach and a GM. What has Lowe won since he stopped following Messier around... crickets... besides my opinion of low has nothing to do with Sather. I judge the man on his own record. Lowe being a living piece of hockey paraphernalia for Katz. Does not excuse his arrogance and mismanagement of my beloved Oilers.

As a side note the next time Sourays in town we should give him an ovation for being the only person on the "inside" to call out Klowe and company.

I agree.......good assessment. Now it all makes sense why so many players in the NHL said so many negative things about management........KLowe is a clown and Burke was right about him.

I say bring Burke to Edmonton.

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#117 NewfoundlandOil
April 21 2013, 04:18PM
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Guys, this is perfect. The Nuge will get surgery and will add 15-20 lbs this summer while eating Doritos in front of the TV.

Next year he will be peaking.....throwing hits.....and be the Coke machine centre and true Oiler (see shoulder) that everyone wants.

I don't understand the disappointment with this.

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#118 michael
April 21 2013, 04:27PM
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oilers2k10 wrote:

My wife walked by the other day as I was watching Post Game interviews and she couldn't believe how big Taylor Hall looked compared to previous years..I think the rehab from that shoulder surgery probably included a ton of upper body workouts, RNH will be fine, if anything this could be a blessing in disguise, would've been nice if Oilers would've called a surgery date a month ago but if he gets the surgery this week it gives him a bit over six months before the start of next season, he will be fine..bigger, stronger, better.

This just puts the final nail in the Tambo coffin. If he had this information before the trade deadline I'd wonder wtf he was thinking. Did Tambo think that this team would go far with his number 1 center with a bum shoulder? If he did have this information then his firing was even more necessary. I wouldn't have said a word if had the balls to take him off the shelf a month ago and told ON that RNH needed the same surgery as Hall. I could live with that. Beyond the fact the person is more important than the team. It behooves a GM to make short term descisions like this if he was aware of it. If you have knowledge that RNH needs surgery you don't even ask the player if it can wait. You call him into the room and tell him he is done and go get the surgery. See you next year. Piss me off it wasn't done sooner. Tambo if he knew should have known better. That what he was getting paid for as GM.

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#119 David
April 21 2013, 04:40PM
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I want to work fro Daryl Katz, what a great job no accountability.

Call me .

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#120 morgie99
April 21 2013, 05:35PM
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oilers2k10 wrote:

My wife walked by the other day as I was watching Post Game interviews and she couldn't believe how big Taylor Hall looked compared to previous years..I think the rehab from that shoulder surgery probably included a ton of upper body workouts, RNH will be fine, if anything this could be a blessing in disguise, would've been nice if Oilers would've called a surgery date a month ago but if he gets the surgery this week it gives him a bit over six months before the start of next season, he will be fine..bigger, stronger, better.

I hope you're right but consider Hall a year or so ago if not more, was already 195 pounds, i suspect Hopkins is 175 at best if not less

regardless, it doesn't change until told otherwise, why Hopkins wasn't shut down earlier

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#121 LoweBlow
April 21 2013, 06:53PM
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Hey Jasmine,

Last time I looked Lowe doesn't have a puppet job, he is being paid to do something. It was both he and Tambo. Lighten up. If you want to consistently display obtuse ignorant logic, I'm sure the Canuck army would welcome you with open arms.

If you're going to disagree, do it with a well constructed argument. Caps lock is not a substitute for logic.

Grow up much?

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#122 Darrell
April 21 2013, 07:18PM
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DSF wrote:

Souray and Beauchemin are the best defensive pairing in the NHL this season.

Wouldn't want that kind of influence around the young Oilers. :)

Sourays big shot and his attitude belongs in Cali ... Trust me.

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#123 Darrell
April 21 2013, 07:24PM
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michael wrote:

This just puts the final nail in the Tambo coffin. If he had this information before the trade deadline I'd wonder wtf he was thinking. Did Tambo think that this team would go far with his number 1 center with a bum shoulder? If he did have this information then his firing was even more necessary. I wouldn't have said a word if had the balls to take him off the shelf a month ago and told ON that RNH needed the same surgery as Hall. I could live with that. Beyond the fact the person is more important than the team. It behooves a GM to make short term descisions like this if he was aware of it. If you have knowledge that RNH needs surgery you don't even ask the player if it can wait. You call him into the room and tell him he is done and go get the surgery. See you next year. Piss me off it wasn't done sooner. Tambo if he knew should have known better. That what he was getting paid for as GM.

Can you imagine the ON rage if RNH hangs it up after the 8-2 oiler win that had up in the playoffs for a day ? Mathematically eliminated is the only time to pull the plug folks ....

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#124 @Oilanderp
April 21 2013, 08:51PM
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@Darrell

I completely agree. Being a 3rd tier fan gives me a bit of an outside perspective, and from here it seems that Oiler fans sometimes just want a reason to be outraged.

If anything, they did it early! I hope all goes well baby Nugelet.

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#125 GVBlackhawk
April 21 2013, 09:39PM
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Darrell wrote:

Can you imagine the ON rage if RNH hangs it up after the 8-2 oiler win that had up in the playoffs for a day ? Mathematically eliminated is the only time to pull the plug folks ....

You liked the 20% odds of making the playoffs after the 8-2 win, eh? Worth sacrificing the first month or two of next season? Doesn't make sense to this fan.

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#126 Walter Sobchak
April 21 2013, 11:05PM
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I don't think this stops the Oilers from moving Gagner at all, they draft Barkov, move Hall to center for 2 months.

As for RNH not getting this looked after knowing there was going to be a lockout, the whole bloody orginization should be fired.

Amazing.

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#127 Quicksilver ballet
April 21 2013, 11:34PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I don't think this stops the Oilers from moving Gagner at all, they draft Barkov, move Hall to center for 2 months.

As for RNH not getting this looked after knowing there was going to be a lockout, the whole bloody orginization should be fired.

Amazing.

If they do have to settle for Barkov. How soon till he can play at the NHL level? Is he 2 yrs away?

Lazar 2 yrs away as well?

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#128 Darrell
April 22 2013, 06:02AM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

You liked the 20% odds of making the playoffs after the 8-2 win, eh? Worth sacrificing the first month or two of next season? Doesn't make sense to this fan.

After not getting a sniff of the playoffs in seven years plus the need to experience the playoffs for the core it makes sense to me. Keep in mind I am not a season ticket holder and don't matter anyway :)

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#129 michael
April 22 2013, 07:35AM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

You liked the 20% odds of making the playoffs after the 8-2 win, eh? Worth sacrificing the first month or two of next season? Doesn't make sense to this fan.

Good point. Stick another nail in the coffin of this corpse which we call the 2012-2013 season. Why wait? It really sticks in my craw how this looks like Souray all over again. We play him till he breaks totally? We need to ensure that we send the message that we put people above winning. That is what Oil Country is about. That is what makes us great. Its people. The game is secondary. Always.

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#130 thebiggestmanintheworld
April 22 2013, 08:25AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I don't think this stops the Oilers from moving Gagner at all, they draft Barkov, move Hall to center for 2 months.

As for RNH not getting this looked after knowing there was going to be a lockout, the whole bloody orginization should be fired.

Amazing.

Nothing to worry about...

A natural LW that's just hitting his stride, a raw rookie fresh off the draft, and Horcoff will be all the center depth we need....

We might as well see if we can trade Gagner for another first, then we can maybe get another dman to round out the top 4?

Draft picks have to be the answer, right? Getting younger is the key? Pushing players into positions where they will struggle to succeed seems just as shortsighted as playing RNH this long.

With plans like these, Oiler will be drafting top 5 forever...

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#131 non descript
April 22 2013, 09:00AM
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@thebiggestmanintheworld

the oilers are the worst run organization in the league. its not even close. they are just embarking on their comical journey of futility. as oiler fans we will know nothing but anger, frustration and embarrassment.

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#132 Walter Sobchak
April 22 2013, 03:59PM
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thebiggestmanintheworld wrote:

Nothing to worry about...

A natural LW that's just hitting his stride, a raw rookie fresh off the draft, and Horcoff will be all the center depth we need....

We might as well see if we can trade Gagner for another first, then we can maybe get another dman to round out the top 4?

Draft picks have to be the answer, right? Getting younger is the key? Pushing players into positions where they will struggle to succeed seems just as shortsighted as playing RNH this long.

With plans like these, Oiler will be drafting top 5 forever...

How do you suppose the Oilers get a defensmen, fix the bottom six, or get size and skill in the top six?

You have to move players to get players. So say good-bye to Paajarvi, Hemsky and Gagner.

Unless of course you want to move some of the kids who are all tracking better then Gagner.

Oh, and all the draft picks (first rounders) are the Oilers best players, so there goes your theroy.

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#133 Walter Sobchak
April 22 2013, 04:07PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

If they do have to settle for Barkov. How soon till he can play at the NHL level? Is he 2 yrs away?

Lazar 2 yrs away as well?

Lazar would be two years, and projects to be a third line checker possible second line RW at the high end.

Barkov has dominated the Finnish elite league, projected to be one of the best Fin's to come out of the league.

I think he can play soft minutes next season, possible even a regular 4 th line role with PP time.

Watching so many Jr games I'm certain had he played in the CHL he would be ranked #1 overall.

He is clearly one of the best players playing in a men's league, while dominating it at only 17 years of age.

He certainly can't be worse then Belanger - Smyth - Petrel - Brown - Smithson - Jones, so a clear upgrade right there.

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