NUGENT-HOPKINS NEEDS SURGERY

Jason Gregor
April 21 2013 11:25AM

Ryan Nugent-Hopkin's season is over. He will have shoulder surgery, as early as this Tuesday in Cleveland.

He has a suspected labrum tear in his left shoulder. Last year they fixed his AC joint on the same shoulder, but now he will need the same surgery Taylor Hall had last year.

Hall's season ended on March 27th last year, he had surgery on April 3rd, and he played his first game in OKC on November 2nd, 2012.

Nugent-Hopkins might have surgery as early as this Tuesday, April 23rd, but that means he likely won't play until mid-November. Due to the lockout the Oilers didn't have to rush Hall back, and the Oilers will need to fight the urge to get RNH back on the ice next season.

Just like Hall, Nugent-Hopkin's injury dates back to junior. Hall told me last fall that the surgery process is painful, but that he felt much better, he also said he was glad he didn't have to rush back due to the lockout. The Oilers must play it safe with RNH in October and give him significant time to heal.

It is fair to ask why RNH didn't have this surgery a month ago because it was clear from the start of the season that he's been struggling. I wasn't at the morning skate so I couldn't ask him, but it is something I will ask tomorrow. I suspect the answer will be that they were the hunt for the playoffs and the doctors said he couldn't injure it any worse than it was. 

There is no chance Nugent-Hopkins will be ready for the season opener, and that means the Oilers will be without their #1 centre. I understand the Oilers wanted to compete for the playoffs this year, but I think they should have sent Nugent-Hopkins to the surgeon much sooner.

 

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#51 a lg dubl dubl
April 21 2013, 12:09PM
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Minister D- wrote:

I think for many (Lowetide was on top of this early), it was apparent that RNH was playing injured. And, damn it, he just wouldn't be an Oiler unless he's had season-ending shoulder injury. That's part of the deal.

This will prove a good test for MacT this summer. We now need, in some form or another, three centremen: one might be coming in the draft, but they'll also need to find solid depth guy (Smithson?), along with replacements for compliance-buyout Belanger and trade-bait Gagner.

Lander's the only guy in the system even close to taking one of these spots, unless they move Hall to C, then one summer pickup will need to be a winger (or, failing that, Toni Rajala).

With RNH down, I worry about drafting a raw C, burning a year of his ELC while throwing him into the deep end.

With RNH I can see Hall being moved to Center full time.

Centers when RNH comes back:

Hall,RNH,Gagner,Horcoff/Smithson

Im just glad the team has a gm that is actually willing to go do something instead of ST and his wait and see approach.

EDIT: I do expect Mact to upgrade the center position from what I put down above.

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#52 Dog Train
April 21 2013, 12:10PM
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Another brutal decision by the Oilers. They seemed to know there was some sort of an issue back around the World Juniors too because they brought him to Edmonton to get it checked out. Something should have been done much sooner, we're talking about the franchise's first line center. Now we will probably be without him for at least a month of next season. I am not surprised that he needs surgery, I think everybody knew that something was wrong with his shoulder. Stupid.

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#53 Fresh Mess
April 21 2013, 12:11PM
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The Oilers flap their gums about being cautious with injured players but always rush them back to the lineup. I hope this explains why RNH looked like crap much of this season.

I would guess this means Horcoff finishes the season as 2c and Lander 3c with Smithson 4c.

With Hemsky and Petrell out it looks like Jones, Smyth, and Hartikainenn dress for the remainder of the games too.

Hartikainenn needs to show whether he can play at this level. This should be his last audition.

Any success this team has in the future will be in spite of the terrible ownership/management in place.

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#54 Rocket
April 21 2013, 12:13PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

How much better is Gagner's bargaining position? If I am his agent I am rubbing my hands together.

Yeah no kidding. I always liked Gagner but thought he was a tradable asset. Now? This management group is inept enough to still think he is the way forward.

Time will tell & maybe I'll be proven wrong but Gagner is still a question mark by my eye.

I think based on this year, his agent is going to ask for a lot.

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#55 Eddie Edmonton
April 21 2013, 12:14PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

How much better is Gagner's bargaining position? If I am his agent I am rubbing my hands together.

Get rid of Gagner. Ever since this team decided to invest in him, it has resulted into nothing but losing seasons.

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#56 a lg dubl dubl
April 21 2013, 12:15PM
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cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan wrote:

i think you are crazy if you think dithers had the authority to make a decision like that on his own.

tambellini took the fall, but this sort of crap is on the whole group of them.

true, he did, but he did have final say on RNH playing in the worlds, surely something showed up at the pre assesment before the worlds started.

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#57 a lg dubl dubl
April 21 2013, 12:16PM
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@DSF

lol Im a 2nd tier fan I dont know to much either.

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#58 Eddie Edmonton
April 21 2013, 12:17PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

With RNH I can see Hall being moved to Center full time.

Centers when RNH comes back:

Hall,RNH,Gagner,Horcoff/Smithson

Im just glad the team has a gm that is actually willing to go do something instead of ST and his wait and see approach.

EDIT: I do expect Mact to upgrade the center position from what I put down above.

You're not serious, are you? Gagner as a 3rd line center? He can win a face-off or a battle against the boards, and he's your winning team's 3rd line center.

What has MacT done in the last week that showed you he is willing to do something? Already?

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#59 DigDeepNBleedBlue
April 21 2013, 12:19PM
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Rocket wrote:

Yeah no kidding. I always liked Gagner but thought he was a tradable asset. Now? This management group is inept enough to still think he is the way forward.

Time will tell & maybe I'll be proven wrong but Gagner is still a question mark by my eye.

I think based on this year, his agent is going to ask for a lot.

I think Gagner's position here will be determined if the Oil can or can't get a bigger/skilled centerman this summer.

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#60 a lg dubl dubl
April 21 2013, 12:19PM
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Eddie Edmonton wrote:

Get rid of Gagner. Ever since this team decided to invest in him, it has resulted into nothing but losing seasons.

I think 6 yrs out of the playoffs and 3 years of down right brutal hockey goes beyond Gagner, its not all on him.

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#61 Eddie Edmonton
April 21 2013, 12:20PM
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Rocket wrote:

Yeah no kidding. I always liked Gagner but thought he was a tradable asset. Now? This management group is inept enough to still think he is the way forward.

Time will tell & maybe I'll be proven wrong but Gagner is still a question mark by my eye.

I think based on this year, his agent is going to ask for a lot.

6 years in the league and still a question mark? This can't be. Who is his dad friends with?

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#62 Eddie Edmonton
April 21 2013, 12:22PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

I think 6 yrs out of the playoffs and 3 years of down right brutal hockey goes beyond Gagner, its not all on him.

It is not all on him, of course. But lets be real, the kid has been spoon fed for no particular reason. Was the management trying to hide the fact that they should have kept Cogliano over him, and feed him soft ice-time to make him self and them look good?

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#63 a lg dubl dubl
April 21 2013, 12:25PM
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Eddie Edmonton wrote:

You're not serious, are you? Gagner as a 3rd line center? He can win a face-off or a battle against the boards, and he's your winning team's 3rd line center.

What has MacT done in the last week that showed you he is willing to do something? Already?

At a 43% FO yes he would be my 3rd line center, I also dont see Hall playing the 3rd line center, Hall is a big minute player.

He hasnt done nothing this week because he cant do anything til after the finals but I do expect him to do way more in one summer than ST did in 3 years.

I also dont see RNH playing top line minutes til after next year.

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#64 a lg dubl dubl
April 21 2013, 12:29PM
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Eddie Edmonton wrote:

It is not all on him, of course. But lets be real, the kid has been spoon fed for no particular reason. Was the management trying to hide the fact that they should have kept Cogliano over him, and feed him soft ice-time to make him self and them look good?

I could be wrong but I dont think Gagner was fed "soft minutes" except for his rookie season and maybe his 2nd season.

Either way he has always put up 40-50 points every year, thats pretty good for a 2nd line centerman, and this year save for the last week he was top point getter on the team, facing the other teams 2nd and sometimes 1st line.

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#65 Minister D-
April 21 2013, 12:29PM
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On the upside: without RNH, the tank job that could land us Barkov or Monahan is now all but complete.

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#66 JDP
April 21 2013, 12:31PM
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speechless right now.

joke

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#67 Eddie Edmonton
April 21 2013, 12:31PM
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@a lg dubl dubl

But, if he has not done anything-how did you come to the strong conclusion that he is willing to do something? Or that it will be much different than ST?

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#68 oilers2k10
April 21 2013, 12:32PM
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why not put Hall at center for the remaining five games? What's there to lose? I know he wants the whole pre season to get accustomed to that position but what exactly are the remaining games for the oilers to the oilers? Pre-Season to next years pre season, perfect time to put Hall between Yakupov/Eberle and Paajarvi or somethin.

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#69 Wäx Män Riley
April 21 2013, 12:37PM
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JDP wrote:

Thats what happens when you put a kid as your first line center playing against way stronger men.

What happens? They get hurt in junior?

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#70 JDP
April 21 2013, 12:41PM
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@Wäx Män Riley

no way he should be playing on the first line. if his shoulder was hurt in junior why would they not fix it then? Dont you think playing in a bigger,faster leaque might just improve your chances just a tiny little bit of re hurting your shoulder?

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#71 John s
April 21 2013, 12:42PM
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When did they know he needed surgery? Perhaps the Doc said he can't hurt it more if he continues to play. But why has he been playing lately?

Edmonton knew they were not making the playoffs, and they know generally the recovery time for this type of surgery. Why today?

Sounds like negligence.

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#72 Dub t
April 21 2013, 12:50PM
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Anybody know what Shawn Mattias would cost out of Florida?

Trade for him, TRY and sign clarkson or Horton

Draft Monahan. Leave him in junior.

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#73 Rama Lama
April 21 2013, 12:54PM
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This esentially means that RNH will have no summer to workout for the upcoming year. Since the timing of this is very similar to Hall, we could expect RNH returning after December..........Brutal!

This has LOwe's hands all over this , no way Mr. Dithers could make a decision like this on his own.

Maybe we can draft a center at this years draft and rush him into the line-up again? THis organization needs to be ery agressive at the trade table on draft day and secure some help at center............failure to do so and do so ASAP will result in yet another lost season.

Mac T .........let's see how good you are?

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#74 Mikey
April 21 2013, 12:56PM
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Hall has said that he doesn't want to play C. He is willing to try it but doesn't want to do it.

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#75 Wäx Män Riley
April 21 2013, 12:58PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

I think 6 yrs out of the playoffs and 3 years of down right brutal hockey goes beyond Gagner, its not all on him.

Well of course Horcoff too.

Everybody know EVERYTHING is Horcoff's fault

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#76 Wäx Män Riley
April 21 2013, 01:00PM
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Mikey wrote:

Hall has said that he doesn't want to play C. He is willing to try it but doesn't want to do it.

No, he said that he didn't feel comfortable doing it in a shortened season coming off of injury.

He would rather have a full training camp and pre-season to feel more comfortable there.

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#77 Johnny
April 21 2013, 01:06PM
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UNBELIEVABLE....

Is there anybody on the planet that did not know he needed this surgery last year?????

By his comments, it seems pretty damning.

To waste a lockout shortened season is absolutely ASININE!

Whoever is responsible for the decision not have surgery last year needs to be so far away from this hickey team they may as well be in Indo F*cking China!

What clowns...this team top to bottom is a laughing stock and a disgrace.

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#78 morgie99
April 21 2013, 01:15PM
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Johnny wrote:

UNBELIEVABLE....

Is there anybody on the planet that did not know he needed this surgery last year?????

By his comments, it seems pretty damning.

To waste a lockout shortened season is absolutely ASININE!

Whoever is responsible for the decision not have surgery last year needs to be so far away from this hickey team they may as well be in Indo F*cking China!

What clowns...this team top to bottom is a laughing stock and a disgrace.

hard to argue that, and with no workout time, he'll be just as skinny as this year

why is Klowe still employed?

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#79 Spydyr
April 21 2013, 01:16PM
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Lowe was just waiting to sign Miller. Now Nuge is good to go for surgery.

Hint:Sarcasm

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#80 Alsker
April 21 2013, 01:18PM
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So, two out of our three 1st overalls have injuries dating back to junior, and no one in the organization caught either injury, is it coincidence or incompetence? Seriously I cant tell you if the problem(same injury no less)is detectable or not BUT isnt that why we have the proper people in place to see to it this doesnt happen. Another black mark on a already tarnished organization, this tier 2 fan is most embarrassed, just epic.

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#81 Smokey
April 21 2013, 01:20PM
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I wanted to finish off the season strong, but after this gut wrenching news, I hope we finish off say 1-4 and secure a top five selection to take Barkov, or even Monahan. Maybe MacT could win the draft lottery nd we could move to 3-4 and take McKinnon. However the hockey gods gotta be saying you dumasses have won 3 times, and got lucky with Eberle, and Klefbom, and restocked the cupboards with multiple decent assets,and you still can't figure out how to build a team around elite talent. This year the gods may screw us.

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#82 OilersBrass
April 21 2013, 01:22PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

This esentially means that RNH will have no summer to workout for the upcoming year. Since the timing of this is very similar to Hall, we could expect RNH returning after December..........Brutal!

This has LOwe's hands all over this , no way Mr. Dithers could make a decision like this on his own.

Maybe we can draft a center at this years draft and rush him into the line-up again? THis organization needs to be ery agressive at the trade table on draft day and secure some help at center............failure to do so and do so ASAP will result in yet another lost season.

Mac T .........let's see how good you are?

RNH can still work on conditioning and do certain workouts while rehabbing. Just because he is getting surgery it doesn't mean he has to sit around all summer doing nothing. Rehab for the injury also includes building strength back in his shoulder. I think he'll be fine when he plays next, possibly even stronger.

I do agree on how they're screwed with their depth at centre though. Something will need to be done with that now.

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#83 Smokey
April 21 2013, 01:25PM
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Alsker wrote:

So, two out of our three 1st overalls have injuries dating back to junior, and no one in the organization caught either injury, is it coincidence or incompetence? Seriously I cant tell you if the problem(same injury no less)is detectable or not BUT isnt that why we have the proper people in place to see to it this doesnt happen. Another black mark on a already tarnished organization, this tier 2 fan is most embarrassed, just epic.

Are you saying we should of taken Seguin or Landeskog. Hall is fine now, and a superstar. Give RNH time to heal, he will be fine. I think the picks were fine, the handling of them was not.

Seguins supposedly got a degenerative hip problem which may cause problems one day, and Landeskog sustained some injuries and a concussion.

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#84 Mikey
April 21 2013, 01:30PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

No, he said that he didn't feel comfortable doing it in a shortened season coming off of injury.

He would rather have a full training camp and pre-season to feel more comfortable there.

He said that in September. Last month or so he said he didn't want to play it. I think it was in a Gregor interview. Rough quote

"I know there has been a lot of talk about me playing centre. I don't think it would work out. I think I am better at carrying the puck threw the neutral zone and using my speed to beat the defense. Some of that will be lost if I play centre."

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#85 Dub t
April 21 2013, 01:45PM
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How would oiler fans (all tiers) feel about trading eberle for seguin? Boston gets more of a natural winger and edmonton gets another centre. Wasn't its rumoured eberle for the Boston pick or was it Columbus? Either way, we would have both hall and seguin now.

Personally, I'd do it in a heart beat. Not because of his down year, I would've last year too. I'm an eberle fan but I think this helps us.

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#86 Gaz
April 21 2013, 01:56PM
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@DSF

You're not a fan. You've stated that in the past.

What do you know? Try not to lob 'em up for everyone quite so easily!

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#87 Alsker
April 21 2013, 02:01PM
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@Smokey

No i didnt say we shouldnt have taken either of them, however if it would have been better for both of them to have it done sooner than later, why wasnt it?? How many physicals did they go thru before it was found, OR how many times did mgt turn a blind eye to it? This is more my issue than if they were the correct picks.

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#88 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:08PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

This esentially means that RNH will have no summer to workout for the upcoming year. Since the timing of this is very similar to Hall, we could expect RNH returning after December..........Brutal!

This has LOwe's hands all over this , no way Mr. Dithers could make a decision like this on his own.

Maybe we can draft a center at this years draft and rush him into the line-up again? THis organization needs to be ery agressive at the trade table on draft day and secure some help at center............failure to do so and do so ASAP will result in yet another lost season.

Mac T .........let's see how good you are?

Enough Lowe bashing already. LOWE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS AND OILERS FANS HAVE TO STOP LOOKING FOR EXCUSES TO BASH LOWE. TAMBELLINI IS NOT LOWE'S PUPPET. THIS IS ALL ON TAMBELLINI.

I'm getting fed up of fans giving Tambellini a free ride and blaming it all on Lowe. This is on Tambellini as it takes him too long to assess.

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#89 messyEH!
April 21 2013, 02:11PM
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The more time that passes, the more I get pissed about Klowes mishandling of Souray. Its hard not to when Souray is one of the top defensemen in the league this year. Yeah he sure was worth that buyout.

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#90 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:11PM
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@morgie99

STOP BLAMING LOWE. THIS IS NOT LOWE'S FAULT. THIS IS TAMBELLINI'S FAULT. I'M GETTING FED UP WITH LOWE GETTING BLAMED AND TAMBELLINI GETTING A FREE RIDE. THIS IS TABELLINI'S FAULT AS IT TAKES HIM TOO LONG TO ASSESS. STOP THE LOWE BASHING. NO WONDER PLAYERS DON'T SIGN IN EDMONTON. THEY'LL GET BASHED AND RUN OUT OF TOWN BY SO-CALLED OILERS FANS.

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#91 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:13PM
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@Alsker

And Oilers fans always find excuses to bash the Oilers because Slats is no longer the GM. Don't you think this also happened when Slats was here. I recall him forcing players to play to injury but no bashed Slats because Slats could do no wrong.

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#92 Oilersman
April 21 2013, 02:14PM
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Yes we all have opinions... some interesting and some very speculating. Hey I like the one where the poster has determined that our downfall is Gagner. Wow. Wonder if the Hawks would be out of a playoff spot right now if Gags was there all year? Interesting.

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#93 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:15PM
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@Smokey

And once again Oilers fans prove why no one wants to sign in Edmonton. They care more about draft picks than wins. I'm getting fed up of Oilers fans cheering losses to get a good draft pick. There's a reason players don't sign in Edmonton and the reason is the fans.

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#94 Hammers
April 21 2013, 02:15PM
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So tonights 1st line is Gags , Hall & Yak ;2nd is Horc Ebs & Magnus ; 3rd Lander , Hartski & Jones ; 4th Smithson Brown & (Pettrell Hemsky injured) so ??????????? Oh well Krueger try a 5-6 pick no hope for 21st place .

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#95 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:16PM
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@OilersBrass

But Oilers fans want the Oilers to trade Gagner for magic beans and buy out Horcoff and Belanger.

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#96 Harlie
April 21 2013, 02:18PM
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@Mikey

I heard Hall's quote and it was as Waxman described it, not your version. He was open to trying C but wanted it from training camp on or not at all so he'd have time to adjust.

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#97 Jasmine
April 21 2013, 02:19PM
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@Smokey

Oilers are still getting bashed for drafting Hall instead of Seguin. They got bashed big time when Seguin got his first goal prior to Hall.

Oilers are still getting bashed for drafting RNH over Landeskog/Larsson. They say Landeskog was the better player and RNH should be sent back to junior to save $.

Oilers are still getting bashed for drafting Yakupov ahead of Murray/Galchenyuk. They say they need defesnse and not a forward.

The bashing goes on and on because Slats is no longer the GM.

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#98 Serious Gord
April 21 2013, 02:21PM
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Bizarre timing. Did they keep him in the lineup to see if they could get into the playoffs? And once they didn't did they wait a few games after Tambo was removed before taking rnh out?

Did they know he was Going to need surgery in December? Last year? When they drafted him. Some pretty strong arguments at all three points in time to get the surgery done then - especially if it was last year prior to his injury of the same shoulder.

Clearly they handled this in much the same way as they did halls surgery.

Both demonstrate dithering and putting the interests of management ahead of the player. And what kind of message does that send to other players/agents who we would like to attract to the oil?

And is eberle hurt too?

Christ it's hard to see the merits of this ownership and management.

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#99 Dub t
April 21 2013, 02:21PM
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Jasmine wrote:

But Oilers fans want the Oilers to trade Gagner for magic beans and buy out Horcoff and Belanger.

Didn't the magic beans grow into tall and large bean stalks? Sounds like what we could use as our second line centre

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#100 Dub t
April 21 2013, 02:23PM
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messyEH! wrote:

Players don't sign in Edmonton because Kevin Lowe is an arrogant POS. They see things like this and the way Lowe handled Souray and they woukd cringe.

As for your belief that Kevin Lowe is not to blame . I strongly disagree. Lowe stated that Tambellini ran everthing by him. This was in an article here in the summer. Besides who hired Tambellini in the 1st place and then extended him last season.

The problem starts with lowe, and ends with Katz's fan boy attitude towards thus organization.

This.

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