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Lowetide
April 25 2013 05:28PM

Steve MacIntyre put the fear of God in every hockey player he ever faced with this stance. Holy hell, the man can punch. However, the first question an NHL team has to ask is "can he play the game at an NHL level?" In the time after Craig MacTavish stepped away from the Oilers and his return, how many fourth line players could do that?

Between 2000 and 2009, Craig MacTavish used varied talent on his 4th line. Shawn Horcoff played on the 4th line in MacT's first season as coach, but so did Georges Laraque and Daniel Cleary at times. His Stanley run team had Laraque, Todd Harvey and a bunch of kids like Brodziak and Pouliot trying to find their way. His final team--2008-09--had MacIntyre for 22 games, but also Liam Reddox, Pouliot and Brodziak at times.

Bottom line: save for the 22 MacIntrye games at the end of his coaching time in Edmonton, MacT always tried to have a veteran NHL presence, at least two guys who could make and take a pass and he clearly valued a man like Georges Laraque who could bring the physical while also doing things that helped the 4line keep opponents at bay (BG's legendary 40-second keep away antics deep in the opposition end was like a timeout in live action for the rest of the team).

Perhaps the poster player for the MacT 4line era: Marty Reasoner. Speed, smarts, veteran savvy.

MARTY!

Marty Reasoner was a first round pick back in the day and by the time he became a useful NHL player thoughts of being on the top line with PP time were long gone. However, Reasoner was solid to excellent during his time (both times) in Edmonton, and mentored a generation of Oiler youngsters, some of whom made it and others who did not make it.

In fairness to the Oilers, since Reasoner left the club has tried to add that kind of player (Colin Fraser, Belanger) but for the most part it's been a mixed bag with little continuity (especially since MacT exited stage left).

  • Opening night 2005: Reasoner-Harvey-Laraque (MacT)
  • Opening night 2006: Reasoner-Thoresen-Winchester (MacT)
  • Opening night 2007: Cogliano-Jacques-Gagner (MacT)
  • Opening night 2008: Brodziak-Pouliot-Stortini (MacT)
  • Opening night 2009: Gagner-Moreau-Stortini (Quinn)
  • Opening night 2010: Fraser-Jones-MacIntyre (Renney)
  • Opening night 2011: Lander-Hordichuk-Jones (Renney)
  • Opening night 2012: Belanger-Petrell-Eager (Krueger)

The only exception to the "veteran rule" for opening night was the "Kid Line" in 2007 and a pretty interesting 4line to start the following season. Quinn tried to slip truculence onto every line and apparently didn't know Gagner's name for a time, but I think Renney had 2/3's of a solid 4line in 2010 and 2011.

This season's 4line should have been better based on the veteran content.

THE SOLUTION?

Jim Dowd played 70 games for the Oilers in 1999-00, scoring 5 goals. Picked him up in a deal that sent Greg DeVries away and lost him in the expansion draft in 2000 (Minnesota). Dowd played on a line with Boyd Devereaux and Georges Laraque and that 4line could rattle and hum. He killed penalties and he contributed a little on offense and he could win a faceoff and move up the depth chart and not look foolish. Jim Dowd was an extremely useful player, settled that 4line down for a season I'll never forget.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

If we take MacT's coaching style and apply it to the 4line (as we did at the top saying "MacT always tried to have a veteran NHL presence, at least two guys who could make and take a pass and he clearly valued a man like Georges Laraque") then we should expect:

  • a strong, veteran option at center (Dowd, Reasoner) who has enough skill to make plays and can move up the depth chart as needed
  • a veteran presence on the wing who can PK and move up the depth chart as needed
  • a physical winger who can play at pace, not turn over the puck in bad places and take and make a pass

Do the Oilers have that? Well, if they can invest Horcoff and Smyth on the 4line run Mike Brown out there as needed (depending on opponent) they can ice a line of some quality. However, it shouldn't cost that much money to ice a solid 4line. Among the jobs Craig MacTavish has to tackle this summer, that 4line has been bleeding chances pretty much since he left, and the available roster solutions are mostly overpriced for the role they're going to play. 

It isn't job one, but it's an issue.

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#1 Jonathan Willis
April 25 2013, 07:52PM
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@NewAgeSys

Wordpress and Blogger and tons of other sites offer you the ability to write your own blog. Oilers Nation does not.

I hate to be like this, but our comments sections are more functional when we don't have people writing War and Peace here.

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#2 Crispy
April 25 2013, 06:45PM
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Word count for NewAgeSystem's previous post: 958. Word count for LT's article: 751

That's a comment to article ratio of 1.28, nice work!

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#3 Team Seguin
April 26 2013, 01:20PM
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Bring back Thoreson, Grebby, and Reddox.

Boom. Done.

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#4 Mumbai Max
April 25 2013, 07:00PM
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Crispy wrote:

Word count for NewAgeSystem's previous post: 958. Word count for LT's article: 751

That's a comment to article ratio of 1.28, nice work!

But lacking poise.

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#5 Rama Lama
April 26 2013, 09:01AM
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Simply moving players down from first line roles to fourth line roles, will not accomplish anything.

In fact having guys like Horcoff and Smyth,Belenger,Smithson, Petrell and now Jones will ensure that this team finishes last again next year.

More of the same will not change our fortunes. A total rebuild of the bottom six is required. Of the bunch I would only keep Brown and Jones, that means four new players who can skate, hit, and drive the puck towards the net.

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#6 Jeffery
April 25 2013, 05:43PM
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I guess the best Oilers could do is pick #1 and the worst # 8 this year

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#7 Rod from Viking
April 25 2013, 05:44PM
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What would you think of Anton Lander,Mike Brown and alternating a Ryan Smyth/George Parros(Colten Orr type) depending on who they are playing.They have to move out Belanger and say goodbye to Petrell.

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#9 Rama Lama
April 25 2013, 05:52PM
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I'd like to see Lander spend the season in OKC, outside of callups for injuries. He'll play plenty as the first C callup.

I don't think they need another Mike Brown, but an agitator would come in handy. Ewanyk may serve that role eventually.

Maybe not another Mike Brown..........but for the love of me I cannot understand what was going through the heads of Oilers management when the conversation came up on Brown.

If you are going to get an enforcer, get an enforcer........like Steve Mac! Why get a pint sized enforcer that gets his nose broken in a fight with someone smaller than him? Exactly what is his role on the team?

I think having Steve Mac play every second game is better than an enforcer no one fears!

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#10 Thinker
April 25 2013, 05:54PM
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If the oilers do what I think they'lldo, they will play with lines as follows: Hall rnh eberle Paajarvi gagner yakupov Mackinon/barkov horkoff hemsky Smythe lander hartikainen Brown

I would prefer a smyth exit, but other than that, I can't really nit-pick that roster. You could sign some help to give hartikainen and lander another year of development, but at some point you have to let them suffer growing pains in the bigs. Hemsky should be an oiler for life if he makes it past the draft. His value is decreasing with age, and so will his cap hit. The man is still a two way player (aside from this year),however, and can continue to help the team. Might as well hold on to gagner until a change is forced through the salary cap(prefrebly slightly ahead of that time using an unknown tool called foresight to maximize return).Defense is the problem that needs to be addressed, and I hope that they can do it without trading someone.

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#11 JSR
April 25 2013, 05:54PM
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As good as Smyth was in his first stint in Edmonton, his last two years here have not been good. He needs to hang them up on Saturday. Unfortunately, my gut tells me he is too stubborn to quit...

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#12 Rod from Viking
April 25 2013, 05:58PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I'd like to see Lander spend the season in OKC, outside of callups for injuries. He'll play plenty as the first C callup.

I don't think they need another Mike Brown, but an agitator would come in handy. Ewanyk may serve that role eventually.

I don't want another Mike Brown either(but I like this one) they need some one else who is bigger, meaner and also willing to drop the mitts,I am tired of watching this team get pushed around.

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#13 aguy
April 25 2013, 06:08PM
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Raffi Torres.

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#14 Crispy
April 25 2013, 06:23PM
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Side note: Tampa tied after 1, Nashville up 2-1 on Detroit... We could be in the guaranteed 4th overall spot after tonight.

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#15 NewAgeSys
April 25 2013, 06:32PM
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We need to work our way up from the bottom to the top six re-tooling all the way.First we need to decide exactly what we want then we need to find the right men to fit that template.

Hall-Nuge-Ebbs Mps-Gagner-Yakupov

Everyone down the roster from here is now subject to random replacement as per the template we choose to support our core group.

It is time to support the core, thank you to all the players who took us this far that we will soon be replacing,one day you will be able to say you played with Hall of Famers because a few will definately make it.

We need toughness and offence.None of these guys needs to be long term contract concerns in our bottom 6 we are concerned with filling a dynamic template and there are always guys available to do that every couple of years.We need to remember our core is the top 6 and focus underneath them on ways to better prepare the opponent for them to do their jobs offensively.

The 3rd line needs to be ugly toothless and tough as nails, larger and heavier than average to offset out top 6 and offensive minded so we are looking for men who voluntarilly changed their game from legitimate high offense to defense,Super-sized Sam Gagners exactly to a T.This lines offense must be catalysed this way.This line must be able to play better defense than the top 6 and take energy out of the opposition,no one way offense here,if we want more offense it must come from the 4th line.No one under 210 on this line if possible,we will sacrifice to get that size and weight , we need to support the top 6 in this spot by dragging the opposition into areas they dont want to...

Comment stopped at 300-word limit. JW.

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#16 WhattaMike
April 25 2013, 07:00PM
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The Oilers have the kids and high end skill....so keep the kids on this team (Hall, Ebs, RNH, Yak, J. Schultz) and do not trade these away.

Unfortunately, that means Gagner and Hemsky are the primers for the needed good trades, along with packaging those inclusive of Omark, Teubert, Peckham, Eager, Belanger, etc, and even maybe Horcoff, Smyth.

What this team really needs are bottom six prime year type players such as like from the past.....as Norm Lacombe, D. Lumley, K. Linseman, K. McLelland, M. Grier, D. Marchment, C. Muni, etc.

We need a bigger 2nd line good face-of center and if it is either rookies....Barkov or Monaham....for the future so be it. I take them now on the team as rookies than what we got from Frasor, Belanger, Smithson, etc, any day.

The new other goalie and defence(draft kids are soon coming)are easily managed if MacT gets it done. We only need one goalie and two top type guys for defence now which can be done as through free agency or trades.

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#17 Minister D-
April 25 2013, 07:01PM
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Didn't Willis warn NAS if he didn't cut his posts down he was a goner? NAS may have tossed his last word salad.

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#18 madjam
April 25 2013, 07:04PM
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Horcoff not physical enough for fourth line , and neither is Smyth anymore . They can take a hit still , but neither much good at giving one . Inexpensive contracts which would better suit us might be Orr 1.0 ,B.Sutter ( better than a fourth liner ) 2.0 ,Wheeler 2.5 ( much better than just a fourth liner to be honest ) , D. Moss 2.1 , C.Kelly 3.0 , Talbot 1.75 , Parros .938 , Boll 1.05 ,Nystrom 1.4 ,Fiddler 1.8 , etc. and that's just forwards . Only Brown might stay , but i'd like to see better than even that .

Boll , Nystrom , Fiddler , and say Orr or Parros would make for a huge upgrade physically and very reasonable cost wise . Kelly , Sutter and Wheeler would be ideal but unlikely at their contract level .

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#20 Crispy
April 25 2013, 07:29PM
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Minister D- wrote:

Didn't Willis warn NAS if he didn't cut his posts down he was a goner? NAS may have tossed his last word salad.

Willis threatened to cut his comments short at 300 words.

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#21 Gret99zky
April 25 2013, 07:29PM
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Thinker wrote:

If the oilers do what I think they'lldo, they will play with lines as follows: Hall rnh eberle Paajarvi gagner yakupov Mackinon/barkov horkoff hemsky Smythe lander hartikainen Brown

I would prefer a smyth exit, but other than that, I can't really nit-pick that roster. You could sign some help to give hartikainen and lander another year of development, but at some point you have to let them suffer growing pains in the bigs. Hemsky should be an oiler for life if he makes it past the draft. His value is decreasing with age, and so will his cap hit. The man is still a two way player (aside from this year),however, and can continue to help the team. Might as well hold on to gagner until a change is forced through the salary cap(prefrebly slightly ahead of that time using an unknown tool called foresight to maximize return).Defense is the problem that needs to be addressed, and I hope that they can do it without trading someone.

Those lines are almost identical to this years. Except for the shiny new draft pick.

Oilers cannot improve by icing to same piss poor line-up year after year.

Hopefully MacT has the berries to make some real changes to the bottom six.

Moving Horcoff and Hemsky would be an excellent start to changing the attitude and culture of the team.

I agree that Defense is the elephant in the room.

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#22 Jimmer
April 25 2013, 07:43PM
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Let's not over think this. 4th line is about cycling and playing a simple North - South game.

Harti - Smithson - Brown

This line has size, toughness, energy and a guy that can win faceoffs.

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#23 Slats
April 25 2013, 08:07PM
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Jimmer wrote:

Let's not over think this. 4th line is about cycling and playing a simple North - South game.

Harti - Smithson - Brown

This line has size, toughness, energy and a guy that can win faceoffs.

Not a chance. It's broke let's fix it and to do that you need new blood. Smithson has played his last regular game he will be a call- up. great on draws and then disappears.

Brown is the only keeper for energy but needs to be better defensively.

Need someone more physical and will not let our young talent get drilled thru the end boards without a response.

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#24 Slats
April 25 2013, 08:09PM
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I hate to be like this, but our comments sections are more functional when we don't have people writing War and Peace here.

To be a successful blogger you need content though. The only thing at the blog will be crickets.

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#25 madjam
April 25 2013, 08:14PM
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Looks like Flames going down to take our pick . Jackman just got destroyed in fight with Blues Reaves .

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#26 madjam
April 25 2013, 08:19PM
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Simmer says Flames after leadership , size and grit for next season , similar to what L.A. did last season . That's a tall order for us to follow with present personnel .

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#27 Randaman
April 25 2013, 09:03PM
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Would signing Mike Smith as a UFA not take some pressure off our defence with his ability to handle the puck? Every time Dubnyk touches the puck outside the crease he causes a giveaway. Another option is to go get Weber. That will mean we lose Eberle + Gagner. That would of course be dependant on getting Barkov. Just my thoughts. There is no way we get to keep all of the young 5 and stay under the cap in a couple years anyway. BOLD? YES? We need change quickly...

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#28 Randaman
April 25 2013, 09:05PM
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Don't worry about losing our current pick spot because we lose the final two games.

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#29 Oiler Al
April 25 2013, 09:38PM
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Hopefully with MacT in charge, there will be smarter moves made. Tambelini gives up a draft, think it was 4 th rdr. .. for Smithson.. here's a guy who coulnd't even cut it with Panthers, a 30 place team. Ya he is half decent in the circle, has size, but is softer than peanut butter...barely puts a bare hug on a player, but cant pass or take a pass.

Time to start taking some "mean tests" on these guys coming in.. enough of Petrel, Hartikienan, big , boys and but too soft. The models, are Orr {Buf.}, Clutterbuck, Torres, Kasian.,.. guys with some skill but are mean and tough .

Putting Symth and Horcoff on the fourth line does not serve the " tough" purpose, besides guys are running out of gas.

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#30 FastOil
April 25 2013, 10:22PM
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LA's top 6 and scoring players aren't bigger than average - look it up. The fact their bottom 6 is giant and semi able provides a weakness that a team like the 05-09 Oilers could exploit because they used capable players in the bottom 6.

If the Oilers had a reasonably physical bottom 6 that all could play the game at the NHL level to some degree, to go with the talent in the top 6, they would be very hard forward group to deal with for most teams.

Kind of like an onslaught, 80's style.

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#31 FastOil
April 25 2013, 10:29PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Hopefully with MacT in charge, there will be smarter moves made. Tambelini gives up a draft, think it was 4 th rdr. .. for Smithson.. here's a guy who coulnd't even cut it with Panthers, a 30 place team. Ya he is half decent in the circle, has size, but is softer than peanut butter...barely puts a bare hug on a player, but cant pass or take a pass.

Time to start taking some "mean tests" on these guys coming in.. enough of Petrel, Hartikienan, big , boys and but too soft. The models, are Orr {Buf.}, Clutterbuck, Torres, Kasian.,.. guys with some skill but are mean and tough .

Putting Symth and Horcoff on the fourth line does not serve the " tough" purpose, besides guys are running out of gas.

I agree with "mean tests". It is a mistake to ask players who aren't mean to play like jerks. If you want jerks, hire them.

I am not sure a nut helps the team as much as a physical player who is a better player, especially in the playoffs.

The wacky guys don't play much when the chips are down because of penalties and unpredictability. At the most important time of the year you have to shorten the bench and depth chart. Opposite of what you need.

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#32 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
April 25 2013, 10:48PM
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How long will the Oilers keep playing this patience card. As long as the organization continues to hide behind it, the players will always have a built in excuse. Edmonton probably is due for a real prick for a coach to get these players back on the right track. Krueger is butter soft on these guys, no wonder things are the way they are. The way it's been these last 3 yrs, they should get the Barceló Costa Holiday Inns and Spa to sponsor the entrance to the Oilers dressing room.

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#33 madjam
April 25 2013, 11:13PM
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Will the Oilers delay rebuild another year to get C. McDavid ?

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#34 TeddyTurnbuckle
April 25 2013, 11:39PM
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Looks like we will probably draft 4th , 5th or 6th. Unfortunately Nate Mackinnon won't still be there so we will have to settle for Barkov or Monahan. Lets take one of these guys and Don't look back. Let one of these studs come in on an entry level contract in two years for depth. Get rid of Smyth , Jones, Potter, Peckham, Eager, Belanger, Petrell. Trade Ganger and Hemsky and move Hall to Center.

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#35 TeddyTurnbuckle
April 25 2013, 11:41PM
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@madjam

I think you have to wait until 2015

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#36 719
April 26 2013, 12:43AM
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Chipchura and Gordon would make a great addition to the 4th line. Both are UFAs.

I would keep Belanger and Eager, assign them to the AHL after training camp. If there are injuries (like they always are) we will be bringing up NHL players (even if they are borderline NHL players) instead of kids not ready to play the role. If they are buried in the AHL their cap hits should be very manageable, 1.1 million for Belanger and 400K for Eager.

Bring in Gonchar and Streit to short term deals.

Khobudin (sp?) the Boston backup, to help push Dubnyk.

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#37 cabaj
April 26 2013, 01:31AM
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We need supersized Sam Gagners huh? Name one that's available and costs less than 6 mil/year. There aren't any.

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#38 The Oilers Shot Clock
April 26 2013, 03:08AM
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I can't wait for the draft. I wouldn't be upset if we traded our pick. I'm guessing either Florida or Colorado make a play to pick both drouin and McKinnon.

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#39 madjam
April 26 2013, 06:18AM
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TeddyTurnbuckle wrote:

I think you have to wait until 2015

I stand corrected , thank you . He's looking like a future super star in the making .

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#40 NewAgeSys
April 26 2013, 06:21AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

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I hate to be like this, but our comments sections are more functional when we don't have people writing War and Peace here.

Hey willis no problems ,thanks for allowing me the opportunity to post freely for so long and for holding back the Barbarians at the gate.

Dont worry about policing your blog, you have feedback to consider and decisions to make.I shall cease and desist posting NHS data and indepth analysis of the Oilers on and off-ice dynamics.

Oilersnation is awsome and is one of the most tolerant sites out there,there are fewer lurking whiners here than some sites thats for sure, a local cadre or wee little gang rears its ugly head to peer pressure once in a while but nothng overwhelming.

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Its a smaller Hockey community here in Edmonton than people might realise,Oilersnation is one of the anchors for our hometeam in cyber-space,a valued and much needed resource.I hope the influential Powers that be recognise and support this fact.

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#41 madjam
April 26 2013, 06:40AM
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Columbus loses best player R.Nash and first draft choice for entire year , but still climbs out of the cellar way above our team with basically nothing seemingly in comparison to our young stars .

Slice and dice it any way you want , but rebuild has been a complete failure . Is our youth vastly overrated as our results bear out ? We are still not as competitive as the team we gutted for crying out loud .

Frustrating each year they seem to know what they want to improve team , yet almost always fail at getting those types of players . If this trend continues it's hard to believe we'll ever get a decent club here .

At this stage I think I wouldn't mind seeing them blow up the rebuild and build a club with size and grit and character . Can't be any worse results wise than what we are getting now waiting for smallish youth to pan out in mass ?

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#42 Hammers
April 26 2013, 07:19AM
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Funny you wrote this article as I was wondering if McT would find his Marty Reasoner type for the 4th line. Wouldn't be surprised but the fans will holler if it is in fact Marty .

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#43 Romulus' Apotheosis
April 26 2013, 07:27AM
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Ohh... Marty Reasoner! yes, please!

We need that guy at 27 or so.

Me and my buddies gave him the nick name "Stotle" (you know, because he's a "reasoner" and that basically mean he's Aristotle).

I'd love to see that line fixed or at least less chaotic or at least chaotic in a way that breaks even or better... anything! please!

For the peeps looking for facepunchers here's a good take on the current Leafs line-up and the wild over-estimation of their goons:

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2013/3/6/4070882/randy-carlyle-coaching-myths-part-two-carlyle-vs-wilson

http://50missioncap.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/why-youre-wrong-the-leafs-arent-better-because-of-randy-carlyle/

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#44 Rick
April 26 2013, 08:45AM
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If MacT returns all of Horcoff, Smyth and Brown then he will already of failed in his first summer of GMing.

Of the three, I'd keep Brown for the 4th line.

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#45 Rick
April 26 2013, 09:10AM
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@Rama Lama

Jones quit on this team once down the stretch.

There is no way you can bring him back if you expect to actually change the loser attitude that has taken over this team.

During the Chicago game he had a guy lined up behind their net and literally stopped so short without even touching him.

Assuming MacT didn't have his head buried in his popcorn bag at that moment, Jones' fate with this org must have been sealed right at that moment once and for all.

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#46 Spydyr
April 26 2013, 09:44AM
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My fourth line would be able to give and take a pass.Play with energy every shift.Above all they would punish the other team.The whole line must be big hitters.Wear down the other teams defence for the talent lines.

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#47 Tikkanese
April 26 2013, 10:06AM
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Why all the hate on Smyth? He hasn't been used in the slightest how Smyth should be used. He's played half the year way out of position and not to his type of game at all as the 4th line center. Most of the rest he's been stuck in the Belanger Triangle. That should be enough on it's own but also his PP time has been drastically cut to. That may be warranted but it is still cut. What do you expect him to do with that? Be on pace for 50 points?? He's been a professional and great teammate through all that. Pure class. To be on pace for a 20 point full season given all of that, I dare say is a miracle.

He's been one of the prime PK players for Edm and that's about the only bright spot for the Oilers this year! Our PP and Even Strength has dropped off big time and Smytty has been playing less there, any correlation? Maybe, maybe not but that is one plausible cause.

Give Smytty a break already. I think we can all agree we'd rather be having this Smytty for another 5 years than more failures on the 4th line like Belanger, Petrell, Jacques, Eager, Hordi, Stortini etc. I hope Smytty plays next year.

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#48 michael
April 26 2013, 10:11AM
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Marty Reasoner 3.0. Along with Mike Brown and Ryan Smyth. Petrell as your 14th player. Works for me.

Horcoff/TH/Bickell

Gagner/Yakupov and Barkov

RNH/Eberle and Hall

I think the Oilers use MP to get another piece. A grittier forward.

I also think that Hemsky is traded for a pick at the draft. His time has come.

Sign Andrew Ference and Mark Fistric.

Potter, Whitney, Eager, Belanger, NK, MP, Hemsky, all good to go.

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#49 madjam
April 26 2013, 11:21AM
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Star Wars or Twinkle Twinkle Little Star . Boldly go ? How i wonder what you are ?

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#50 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
April 26 2013, 11:24AM
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MacTavish should start working towards something like this

1) Hall/RNH/Horton 2) Hartnell/Mackinnon/Yakupov 3)Vermette/Ott/Clarkson 4) Smyth/Gordon/Brown

Petry/Weber- Smid/J.Schultz- Fistric/White/Redden

Dubnyk/Pokey Reddick

Factor in a couple injuries and this comes in at under 62 million. Gone:Horc,Hemsky,Eberle,Gagner,Jones,PRV etc etc etc.

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