OILERS: CHANGES COMING

Jason Gregor
April 30 2013 11:40AM

Before Craig MacTavish had his final press conference, it was clear to everyone that the Oilers would need to make some major changes this summer. The GM agreed, and he said that having eight new faces next year would be reasonable.

MacTavish went on to explain the weaknesses he sees with his current lineup.

"We want more toughness, more meat in our lineup and more depth. We need our core players to be better without the puck, and be better defensively. We lack the real structure in our game that you need to have success. We need to address that and get better with that group," started MacTavish.

"We have to add some specific role players. In today's NHL you have to be a threat to score at some point, even marginally. We had a lot of guys who really... the best they were going to be in any given game was a non-factor. There wasn't a lot of upside for our role players to significantly help us. But, the few times that they did, we ended up winning those games. We have to get more impact out of our bottom-six forwards, so we will try to improve that."

I like that MacTavish was blunt and to the point, and although he didn't name names it is pretty clear who he was talking about. Of course those bottom lines need to improve, but the bigger changes need to come on the blueline and with a change of attitude in the top-six.

"From our defensive perspective we need more footspeed. To play a style that best suits the skill-set that we have, we need to be able to move the puck quicker. We got to have defencemen that skate up into open ice and try to open the ice up for our forwards.

"We need depth. The good thing is we don't need to add the high-end skill. We need the complimentary pieces. I know those are easier to come by, I know they are still difficult, but they are easier to acquire than high-end skill. Our elite skilled players have to play a better game away from the puck. If we can get those two things; the lineup complimented by some acquisitions and the guys that we have improve from their experience we'll be better," continued MacTavish.

COACHING

Many have questioned Ralph Krueger, and the main criticism seems to be that he isn't enough of a hard ass. That might be true, but I don't see how anyone could have expected him to get much more from this lineup. MacTavish said this about his coaches.

"Ralph and I will get together this week. We will discuss a myriad of things. There are some concerns I have and some questions for Ralph, and I'm sure he has some for me. We can't continually point the finger at the coach in this process. We've gone through four coaches in the last five years. My sense is to give the coaching staff greater tools to do their job moving forward."

There will be at least one move within the coaching staff. MacTavish will want a 3rd assistant coach, but I also believe there will be some lengthy discussions whether they bring in two new assistants and make a change to the current staff.

SAM GAGNER

Gagner had the best season of his career. MacTavish is a big supporter of Gagner's off-ice contributions as much as his on-ice play.

"Sam had an unbelievable year. We will be in discussions with Sam's agent and see where that goes. Sam has really developed into a leader here. He's a guy who has developed into the type of character that we want. That is going to be important when I'm making decisions (on personnel) is that we have the type of culture in that room.

"I would way rather take a marginal step backwards and have the culture that we want, because I know it will be more impactful going forward. We've had a few years of...It's just been too much of a circus in there (dressing room)."

You will never be able to track/calculate how important team chemistry is. If you don't believe it is part of a winning team, then you likely have never played on one. Of course you need good players to win, but it is easy to see the negative attitudes of players emerge when a team is losing. Based on what I've seen and after listening to MacTavish, it is clear they need a few more positive role models and more guys who are mentally tough.

ONUS ON THE BEST PLAYERS

In a perfect scenario MacTavish will acquire some veteran players who are not only good on the ice, but also can be strong leaders in the room. Guys who will challenge the young kids to reach their potential.

No one doubts that the Oilers' young players have loads of talent, however, it was refreshing to hear the GM admit that this team simply doesn't work hard enough. We can breakdown the game with our eyes and the stats, but many times the game is decided strictly by those who are willing to outwork the opposition.

"I do think as a group we are a bit naive to how hard you have to work to have successs," said MacTavish. "

"I've said this many times to the group since I took over; all the productivity is in that last five percent of effort, that's where all the productivity is. Ninety percent of your goals are in that last five percent of effort.

"I know that from playing the game myself. Amazingly when you got more reckless, worked harder, went to the tougher areas and were more committed how much more lucky you got. We need more from our group in there and they need to recognize that it is tough to have success at this level. I little more effort, responsibility and maturity along with some more beef in the lineup will go a long ways."

QUICK HITS

  • I think it is great that NBA player Jason Collins won't have to live a lie anymore. I couldn't imagine how difficult that would be. However, I'm amazed that some want to compare him to Jackie Robinson. In my opinion they aren't close. First off all, Collins isn't currently playing. His season is over, and he is a 34-year-old free agent journeyman. There is no guarantee he'll play next season. I hope he does, but when he does, I doubt he endures the same hatred that Robinson did.

    And that is a good thing, it shows that many in society don't care about the sexual orientation of a professional player. Personally, I don't have any issues if a player is heterosexual or homosexual. I just hope he plays next season, because if he doesn't, then he's essentially another former player who "came out" after retirement. I doubt he came out just to be "the first active gay player," so I'm sure he doesn't care either way, but part of me wonders if the straight community/news outlets are trying to glorify his story. He only played 38 games last year, and when you look at his age (34) and his minutes played (10/game) there is a reasonable chance he might not play.

    I'm not trying to downplay what Collins did. I applaud him, because it a lot of guts to come out publicly. I have friends who struggled to even come out to their family,  so I can only imagine how scary it would be to tell the world. However, I think the comparisons to Jackie Robinson are unfair to both men.
     
  • I'm a sucker for punishment so here are my first round NHL picks.
    In the west: Blackhawks, Kings, Ducks and Sharks. In the East: Penguins, Bruins, Senators and Capitals.
     
  • I'll take the Penguins and Kings in the final, and the Kings win in 6 and repeat. Feel free to pick the exact opposite. You'll likely have better luck.
     
  • Speaking of the playoffs, here is a different type of playoff pool. Usually, we go into a pool pick the players on the teams we think will win, but if the lose, we usually lose interest. This pool is about picking winners. The more correct picks you get the more you win. Awesome. Enter here. Good luck.

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#1 dougtheslug
April 30 2013, 09:52PM
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DSF wrote:

You know what's really stupid?

Insisting that 6 YEARS after a draft that produced ONE marginal NHL player from THREE first round picks, isn't a huge error.

But carry on fanboy.

You know whats really stupid? Putting words in other people's mouths and then arguing against them. I didn't insist anything about about the 2007 draft. I did say playing the draft hindsight game is intellectually lazy.

Check it out, lots of teams swung and missed that year.Anaheim,Boston,LA, Pittsburgh,Ottawa,San Jose,Phoenix, NY Rangers(ok, their pick died) all completely gassed their first round picks. Are those "huge errors?" But if you insist that I insist on something, it is this:from that draft year, only one player has amassed more points than Sam Gagner - that would the number 1 pick, Patrick Kane.

And yes, I am an Oilers fan. Have been all my life. And yes, I have been critical of the team and am well aware of their shortcomings. But that is the lot of a fan. And you know something DSF? Being the fan of a losing team doesn't make me a loser. And just because you like to front run with winning teams doesn't make you a winner. Your posts here continue to reveal the type of character you are.

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#2 dougtheslug
April 30 2013, 09:34PM
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DSF wrote:

Phhhttt...

Columbus' D depth.

Fedor Tyutin

James Wiz

Jack Johnson

Nikita Nikitin

Dalton Prout

Tim Erixon

Cody Goloubef

David Savard

Ryan Murray

That's NINE NHL defensemen and, with 3 first round picks, I think they could easily engineer a deal to move up in the draft.

Watch.

My point stands. We all know what that dazzling line up of d-man got Columbus - a spot in the draft lottery. So, again, why would any team trade a potential difference maker, a potential beast, for the likes of Cody Goloubef (drafted in 2008, 12 NHL games to his credit). And aren't you the guy who told us we could"Book it " with respect to a Blue Jacket playoff appearance. It didn't happen. And they aren't getting Barkov. Book it. And whats with all that "Phhtttt...."? You should get some help with that uncontrollable farting.

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#3 Walter Sobchak
May 01 2013, 04:37AM
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Space Dad wrote:

Oh, and by the way, I have a question for discussion, should anyone deign to humor me - trade down for Lazar? or trade up for a shot at the big boys this year? Keeping in mind the cost or rewards of either decision, of course.

I have to say I'm liking Lazar a little bit more every time I look into the idea of drafting him. Obviously, it only makes sense if the Oilers trade down but what intrigues me are those 38 goals to lead the Oil Kings this season.

Jordan Eberle had 42 in his draft year of 2008. Eberle's draft year +1 season (2008-09): 35 goals, though in 9 less games. Draft year +2 season (09-10): Eberle explodes for 50 goals and 106 points in 57 games.

Now, I'm not suggesting that Lazar will follow Eberle's growth curve, but 38 goals in his draft year as a WHL player is at least satisfactory, keeping in mind the Oilers' organizational need for a second line center. It isn't too much of a stretch to argue that Lazar's goal numbers will rise to flirt with 50 in the next 2 years (with both Samuelsson and St. Croix moving on to the pro ranks). If he can develop his playmaking ability a touch more, becoming around a 90 point player in the WHL, he would seem to fit very well with the direction the Oilers have taken.

In the end, I'd be fine with trading down to settle for Lazar, but preferably as part of a package deal, with MacT landing a legitimate top 4 d-man in the process. Who completes the package deal? See Hemsky, Ales.

Personally Trading down is a backwards move IMO, The Oilers need to be moving forwards not backwards.

As much as the Oilers need a defensmen, they also need a big two way center with elite skill, not easy to obtain via trade.

As far as a top 4 D-Man the Oilers already have two top four, the need a top pairing defensmen or a 1 or 2.

There is a real good reason why almost every scout except ISS have Lazar between 15 and 25, because in a deep draft he doesn't measure up.

A couple things about Lazar, he plays on an amazing team, he plays with much better players and his stats are padded.

Lazar projects to be at best a 3rd liner,Lazar at best is about two to three years away, the Oilers need immediate help, IMO they cant be waiting anymore.

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#4 bassguy
April 30 2013, 11:49AM
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..What a great pic!...thanks

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#5 Butters
April 30 2013, 12:48PM
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I wouldn't give up on Gags, you can teach a player to play better defensively. I have seen some lazy defensive plays on Gags part. He cleans that up a little and he has a place imo.

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#6 madjam
April 30 2013, 09:45PM
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Cudos for Oil Kings advancing with a 2-0 victory over arch rival Calgary .

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#7 geoff
April 30 2013, 11:58AM
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LOL AT THE PIC!

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#9 Tom
April 30 2013, 02:41PM
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JSR wrote:

I listened to the press conference yesterday, and all I heard was MacT talking in riddles... He says the top six need to be be bigger, and go to the dirty areas...then the bottom six need to be better. I believe the bottom six would be better if Smyth retires... Next, the defense needs to be better, quicker... Wow! He has his work cut out for him.

I didn't hear any riddles at all. Gagner is staying. Dubnyk is staying but must work hard to improve even more than he has. Called out the bottom 6 for being non-factors, which they were. Even called out his stars for not being good enough without the puck. MacT is the most refreshing thing to happen to the Oilers in some time. I'm definitely drinking the Kool-aid.

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#10 Craig1981
April 30 2013, 09:46PM
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DSF wrote:

You know what's really stupid?

Insisting that 6 YEARS after a draft that produced ONE marginal NHL player from THREE first round picks, isn't a huge error.

But carry on fanboy.

Gagner a marginal plarier. He was 34th in league scoring. You are foolish

What 5 teams drafted right after the top 15 then?

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#11 The Beaker
May 01 2013, 07:02AM
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Ravo wrote:

Speaking of BOLD moves TO OTTAWA Hemsky(LW) + Dubnyk(G) + Gagner(C) + 1 rd pick 2013 TO EDMONTON Lehner(G) + Zibanejad(C) + Smith(C) + Wiercioch(D)

ummm?

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#12 mayorblaine
April 30 2013, 11:50AM
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No Weber.

trade up for Seth or trade pick+ for need.

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#14 Smythyyy
April 30 2013, 01:40PM
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love that pic!

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#15 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
April 30 2013, 01:41PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Butters wrote:
I wouldn't give up on Gags, you can teach a player to play better defensively. I have seen some lazy defensive plays on Gags part. He cleans that up a little and he has a place imo.
He was 6 full years in the league. Guess they have never tried to "teach a player to play better defensively". All those years.

A-effin-men, brothas!

I love Gags as a person. Met him, along with Gilbert, Cogs, and someone else, once at Julios on Whyte. I came with one of their puck bunnies. He was the only one that genuinely acknowledged me with a "High, I'm Sam." smile when I was introduced. The rest couldn't get off their high horses to even nod or something. Especially that italian midget Cogliano. Man, I would pound that guy to the ground given the chance.

Anyway, I can absolutely see where Mac is coming from regarding Gags. But how can a guy like Gags, who says, and for the most part does, all the right things be making so many lazy defensive plays this far into his career?

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#16 TDSM31
April 30 2013, 03:40PM
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carson wrote:

"Many have questioned Ralph Krueger, and the main criticism seems to be that he isn't enough of a hard ass."

Hmm, that seems simplified. I think the main criticism has been of system or lack thereof. I've rarely heard complaints about how soft he is.

I agree. Krueger doesn't scream and yell on the bench ala Ron Lowe....he's does his talkin' with action....the way he handled Whitney, Smyth and Peckham during the year tell me he doesn't put up with any bullsh*t.

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#17 Digger
April 30 2013, 03:59PM
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Regarding the 'circus' comment by MacT, I can't help but wonder if at least part of that is in reference to having cameras following the team around as part of that "Oil Change" farce these past 2 seasons.

Perhaps that's one thing he's looking to get rid of? I could see it happening.

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#18 The Soup Fascist
April 30 2013, 04:46PM
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Jeffff wrote:

"The Oilers have been the worst team in the NHL since the season-long lockout of 2004-05. In the eight seasons since, they’ve only won 255 of 622 games. The organization likely doesn’t want to hear it, but the team’s on-ice performance has been worse than the New York Islanders (259 wins), Columbus Blue Jackets (262), Florida Panthers (266) and Tampa Bay Lightning (278)."

Not sure why this would be a revelation to anyone Jefffffff. The Oilers have drafted 1,1,1,10,22,6 over the last 6 years.

If you are surprised, I imagine you are on a short list. If you are mentioning it to be a troll, bugger off.

That is all.

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#19 Butters
April 30 2013, 05:17PM
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@genoreda There is no way Colorado gives up that pick. Their blue needs a lot of work. Plus it's a good hometown boy makes good story.

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#20 The Soup Fascist
April 30 2013, 05:23PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Not sure why this would be a revelation to anyone Jefffffff. The Oilers have drafted 1,1,1,10,22,6 over the last 6 years.

If you are surprised, I imagine you are on a short list. If you are mentioning it to be a troll, bugger off.

That is all.

Ok. I still don't see the relevance but fair enough. You are right, if you have good players you shouldn't have the record the Oilers do over that span. How many coaches can you blame?

Ironically I think they will have to make one more coaching change to make the next step.

Note: Sorry, jeffffff. Meant to reply to your message vs a douchey move of replying to myself.

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#21 Craig1981
April 30 2013, 09:37PM
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DSF wrote:

They blew it.

They got a marginal 2nd line centre, a maybe on D and SFA.

With THREE first round picks.

Edit | Reply #107 Craig1981 April 30 2013, 09:35PM +1 0 props Hahaha. Actually they drafted the highest scoring center in the entire draft who is NOT marginal and of the next 25 picks from their 2nd pick (15th) only TWO players have played more than 200 games.... and only 8 players in the ENTIRE draft (most of them marginal)

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#22 Quick Hits
April 30 2013, 09:58PM
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Yesterday, Jason Collins came out as the first openly gay, active, NBA player. Collins is a center for the Washington Wizards and is supposedly the first active professional sports player to come out. I don't think that's true. After all, several female players, such as Brittany Griner who is going pro this year, are openly gay. I'd even argue that if you didn't know Martina Navratilova was a lesbian during her time on the pro tour, you just weren't paying attention. Of course, she wasn't 'open' about it. Not sure how more open she could've been, but it was pretty evident to me and I was only a teen.

But Collins is, supposedly, big news. Big enough to be a top story on every major sports and news broadcast. In fact, I can't get away from it this morning. It's getting more than a reasonable amount of coverage on every morning TV show.

I don't see what the big deal is. Nearly every self-centric person who is gay is coming out these days because it garners massive amounts of attention. Many others come out with little or no fanfare, which is preferable. Frankly, I don't care what they are, and I'm not sure why others are so interested. I'm not intolerant, and I am happy for Jason that he is able to come to terms with his sexuality. But it's really just not my business, nor do I understand why anyone makes it theirs. So why does the media have to make it our business?

It's a political agenda. There is a belief that by blasting it on the airwaves 24/7, somehow it will 'solve' the 'gay problem'. No, the 'problem' isn't making gay people straight, it's making people who dislike gays suddenly like them, or at least start voting to approve gay marriage. Unfortunately, this focus really just reinforces my belief that the media is disconnected from society. My sons, and virtually all their friends, are not interested at all in someone's sexuality, and won't be denying people their rights.

That the government needs to 'approve' gay marriage ignores why the government got involved in marriage. Typically this involvement was to restrict who could marry, either within certain religious groups, to prevent miscegenation, or restrict polygamy by groups who practiced it. Marriage today is viewed as a right imposed by government rather than an agreement between two people to form a bond and a family, and having this bond witnessed and consecrated by friends and/or a religion.

The last time I reviewed the Declaration of Independence, we are all entitled to a 'pursuit of happiness'. This is not a governing document, but I never saw anything in the Constitution which limits rights to only straight people, nor are there any restricting rights for gays. Maybe I misread it.

On the other hand, I heard Mark Cuban state that Collins has the right to come out and not be criticized. He's wrong. Freedom of speech does give us the right to criticize anyone we want, whether the criticism is considered tolerant or not. Maybe Collins and Cuban won't like it if someone criticizes Jason's personal story, but opinions are what opinions are. If we are truly tolerant, then we have to accept that some people are just uncomfortable with and cannot accept the fact that some people are gay. I haven't cared one way or the other for as long as I can remember, but I'm not about to spend time trying to convince someone their views on the gay issue are wrong. It's a bit petty if they feel this way, but we all have things in our life we get petty about.

I wish Jason Collins luck and all the best in his life. I'm glad he's more comfortable today by coming out. But honestly, I'm tired of the focus by the media on whether or not someone is gay. If you're a person who makes someone's personal life an issue in your life, that's your problem, not theirs.

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#23 spliff
April 30 2013, 09:58PM
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So MacT was one of the last dudes to play without a helmet, and now he's in charge.

This is a good thing, right?

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#24 Rocket
April 30 2013, 10:17PM
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Quick Hits wrote:

Yesterday, Jason Collins came out as the first openly gay, active, NBA player. Collins is a center for the Washington Wizards and is supposedly the first active professional sports player to come out. I don't think that's true. After all, several female players, such as Brittany Griner who is going pro this year, are openly gay. I'd even argue that if you didn't know Martina Navratilova was a lesbian during her time on the pro tour, you just weren't paying attention. Of course, she wasn't 'open' about it. Not sure how more open she could've been, but it was pretty evident to me and I was only a teen.

But Collins is, supposedly, big news. Big enough to be a top story on every major sports and news broadcast. In fact, I can't get away from it this morning. It's getting more than a reasonable amount of coverage on every morning TV show.

I don't see what the big deal is. Nearly every self-centric person who is gay is coming out these days because it garners massive amounts of attention. Many others come out with little or no fanfare, which is preferable. Frankly, I don't care what they are, and I'm not sure why others are so interested. I'm not intolerant, and I am happy for Jason that he is able to come to terms with his sexuality. But it's really just not my business, nor do I understand why anyone makes it theirs. So why does the media have to make it our business?

It's a political agenda. There is a belief that by blasting it on the airwaves 24/7, somehow it will 'solve' the 'gay problem'. No, the 'problem' isn't making gay people straight, it's making people who dislike gays suddenly like them, or at least start voting to approve gay marriage. Unfortunately, this focus really just reinforces my belief that the media is disconnected from society. My sons, and virtually all their friends, are not interested at all in someone's sexuality, and won't be denying people their rights.

That the government needs to 'approve' gay marriage ignores why the government got involved in marriage. Typically this involvement was to restrict who could marry, either within certain religious groups, to prevent miscegenation, or restrict polygamy by groups who practiced it. Marriage today is viewed as a right imposed by government rather than an agreement between two people to form a bond and a family, and having this bond witnessed and consecrated by friends and/or a religion.

The last time I reviewed the Declaration of Independence, we are all entitled to a 'pursuit of happiness'. This is not a governing document, but I never saw anything in the Constitution which limits rights to only straight people, nor are there any restricting rights for gays. Maybe I misread it.

On the other hand, I heard Mark Cuban state that Collins has the right to come out and not be criticized. He's wrong. Freedom of speech does give us the right to criticize anyone we want, whether the criticism is considered tolerant or not. Maybe Collins and Cuban won't like it if someone criticizes Jason's personal story, but opinions are what opinions are. If we are truly tolerant, then we have to accept that some people are just uncomfortable with and cannot accept the fact that some people are gay. I haven't cared one way or the other for as long as I can remember, but I'm not about to spend time trying to convince someone their views on the gay issue are wrong. It's a bit petty if they feel this way, but we all have things in our life we get petty about.

I wish Jason Collins luck and all the best in his life. I'm glad he's more comfortable today by coming out. But honestly, I'm tired of the focus by the media on whether or not someone is gay. If you're a person who makes someone's personal life an issue in your life, that's your problem, not theirs.

Um, OK.

Now about those Oilers....

(I don't care if the entire team is gay, I just wish they had a winning season anytime soon.)

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#25 Space Dad
May 01 2013, 01:45AM
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Oh, and by the way, I have a question for discussion, should anyone deign to humor me - trade down for Lazar? or trade up for a shot at the big boys this year? Keeping in mind the cost or rewards of either decision, of course.

I have to say I'm liking Lazar a little bit more every time I look into the idea of drafting him. Obviously, it only makes sense if the Oilers trade down but what intrigues me are those 38 goals to lead the Oil Kings this season.

Jordan Eberle had 42 in his draft year of 2008. Eberle's draft year +1 season (2008-09): 35 goals, though in 9 less games. Draft year +2 season (09-10): Eberle explodes for 50 goals and 106 points in 57 games.

Now, I'm not suggesting that Lazar will follow Eberle's growth curve, but 38 goals in his draft year as a WHL player is at least satisfactory, keeping in mind the Oilers' organizational need for a second line center. It isn't too much of a stretch to argue that Lazar's goal numbers will rise to flirt with 50 in the next 2 years (with both Samuelsson and St. Croix moving on to the pro ranks). If he can develop his playmaking ability a touch more, becoming around a 90 point player in the WHL, he would seem to fit very well with the direction the Oilers have taken.

In the end, I'd be fine with trading down to settle for Lazar, but preferably as part of a package deal, with MacT landing a legitimate top 4 d-man in the process. Who completes the package deal? See Hemsky, Ales.

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#26 Ravo
May 01 2013, 06:58AM
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Speaking of BOLD moves TO OTTAWA Hemsky(LW) + Dubnyk(G) + Gagner(C) + 1 rd pick 2013 TO EDMONTON Lehner(G) + Zibanejad(C) + Smith(C) + Wiercioch(D)

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#27 Ravo
May 01 2013, 07:17AM
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@The Beaker

I've never once heard Beaker say "ummm?"

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#28 Mike Krushelnyski
May 01 2013, 08:38AM
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Why is Johansen's name still thrown out there so much? He's not doing a great job at cracking a Columbus roster that is not exactly stacked with elite forwards.

I don't think you're any worse off today getting Nichushkin, Barkov or Monahan over Johansen.

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#29 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
May 01 2013, 11:09AM
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NewAgeSys wrote:

There is no real majic,there is real BS.

Statistics are mathamatical representations of RESULTS ,they are representative of the state of Affairs "after the fact" and they have no predictive quantitative values,it is impossible to use stats to "create'anything at all.Except BS.Stats look backward to guess which direction to go forward in.You cant adjust stats they are historic fact.Think horseracing.

Intuitive Inputs read and create dynamic templates that manifest results and define momentum.By adjusting these factors you create wins.Think Poker.

Just think about Vegas odds because it is an identical dynamic,they are just betting like everyone else,except ha ha ha they are betting with someone elses dime,hahahah.

Statistics are simply representations of past actions not interpretatuons of potential events or catalysts of such,nice try.Statistics influences cannot be quantified or defined on a results based curve,you cannot PROVE the statistical influence has any tangible basis or effect,you are simply making your educated guess like everyone else in the Casino.

Intuitive Dynamic Analysis provides quantatative and defined predictive ability supported by precise and clear RESULTS.

You drank the Kool-Aid,pal sorry your "firms" trip to the Darkhorse Kool-Aid Stand wasnt free like everyone elses,a ha ha.Why would you pay for stuff they "scrape up" from the internet that catalyses from much brighter more focused people,why not just use the Google search engine to find those people yourself it takes no time at all.Its the Emperors New Clothes again and they sure look good on Mac-THa ha ha ha.No ones going to buy that BS in todays world execpet for some old coots who are already half-blind and desperate.

Unless they were really looking for something else and Darkhorse scraped up a taste for them and packaged and sold it to them,ha ha ha,like both the Oilers and Darkhorse admit is done,this makes them both seperate from source and bottom feeding for scraps online,the lowest of acts,ha ha ha.These guys will stoop pretty low huh?

Maybe Darkhorse and the Oilers both need to look up the word Intuit and stop trying to pretend they can project that ability ,because an Intuit can EASLIY see the Dynamic Template they are creating.If you are the person tossing the scraps out into cyberspace and the Oilers pick them up and wear them of their own accord or Drakhorse scabs them and re-packages them and sells them to the Emperor to wear for New Clothes,YOU KNOW immediatly and can clearly illustrate and prove it to any party concerned who will disclose their dynamic interactions with Darkhorse.

The NHS is 100% based on Intuitive Dynamic Analysis,and even if you take those systemic assesments and attatch the paralell statistical realitys,you do not incorporate any of the dynamic managment potential into your actions.

Statistics represent in a mathamatical way dynamic actions and reactions,but they can only be applied in context where after the fact assesments of systemic input are required.They cannot be used to create anything at all,or to manifest tactics or really for much .Stats arent portable from system to system ,each time a player changes systems their prior stats are useless,this is why we see many players suddenly produce more or less when traded and given premier minutes or less minutes,its those few extra minutes that count,mac-T is a BSer,it isnt the last 5 % of effort that produces results it is the 5% more premium chances you get,effort level has nothing to do with it,if your systemic execution is bang on you might not be exerting that much effort at all.Just think Hemsky,if you just look at his stats you miss a lot of what he offers,his goals are all timely and huge and his zone entry numbers are excellent.You might trade him for another guys who has more goals but cant rise to the occasion and score the epic ones.

This is bat sh*t crazy stuff. It's one thing trying to follow run-on sentences. It's a completely different ball game if they consist of incoherent thoughts.

I'll say one thing:

When Mac said "scrape the internet", it wasn't analogues to bottom feeding. It was praise for ways of collecting data.

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#30 The Beaker
May 01 2013, 11:40AM
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I should get negative props for setting off another wall of text....

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#31 gcw_rocks
April 30 2013, 11:52AM
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So, MacT calls out Dubnyk for needing to be better, but he raves about Gagner and doesn't even mention Gagner's weak possession numbers over the season and how Gagner needs to be better, and he surely does, both in possession and consistency.

Nice to see MacT's biases surfacing so early.

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#32 Jackson
April 30 2013, 11:52AM
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Re: Jason Collins

75 percent of the public will be casually supportive or casually disapproving but either way almost entirely indifferent. Fifteen percent, including lots of pols, celebrities, and the media, will support him enthusiastically. The other 10 percent will hassle him on the court or from the stands either because they dislike gays or just to spite the 15 percent of “opinion leaders” on the other side. Collins will get a standing O at his first home game next year — if he ends up being signed — and some fans on the road will get nasty with him when he fouls someone too roughly. He’ll do a few ads. Then, after a few months, with rare exceptions, everyone will get bored with it.

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#33 madjam
April 30 2013, 12:00PM
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Lets do first round picks : Chicago , Anaheim ,Vancouver , St.Louie for West . Piisburg , Montreal , Rangers ,Boston out East . Should not be many upsets in shortened season unless Oilers were in of course ( deja vue ) .

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#34 Dallylamma
April 30 2013, 12:00PM
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What does it say about Horcoff as a Captain if the GM is telling the world that the team's locker room has been a circus? Isn't it the Captain's job to lock that stuff down?

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#35 Will
April 30 2013, 12:03PM
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Wow, I love that in the photo Hall is the guy with the afro, and Yak looks perfect.

Here's hoping Mac T can trade down and package someone up for either Cotuier or Yandle, then use that pick to select Gautier. Then it's up tot the off season to get what this team needs (Defence, back up goalie to push Dubnyk, size and some grit in our top six - though getting Coutier would help this, or if we drafted that Russian kid - and a bottom six that can play a decent shut down role, hard to play against and chip in offensively once in a while).

Regardless, it's so refreshing to hear a GM actually talk about what the team needs, in the same way a coach talks about it, or some of the more savy bloggers talk about it. He points out what our team is lacking, then says we need it.

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#36 Will
April 30 2013, 12:09PM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

So, MacT calls out Dubnyk for needing to be better, but he raves about Gagner and doesn't even mention Gagner's weak possession numbers over the season and how Gagner needs to be better, and he surely does, both in possession and consistency.

Nice to see MacT's biases surfacing so early.

They were different questions. They asked if Gagner has a place on the team because of his shortfalls and that he's an RFA. While the Dubnyk thing was more like, did he play well enough to be the number one this team needs, or how do you think he played? Dubnyk's future on the Oilers was never questioned, whereas Sam's was.

So Mac T rightly said since he's staying, we want Dubnyk to improve. And with Gags he was making a case for him to stay, just in case they can't upgrade at that spot, or for those who want to run him out of town.

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#37 Ducey
April 30 2013, 12:16PM
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Gregor,

You have access to the room.

What do you think MacT was referring to when he said that there was a circus in the dressing room?

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#39 JSR
April 30 2013, 12:20PM
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I listened to the press conference yesterday, and all I heard was MacT talking in riddles... He says the top six need to be be bigger, and go to the dirty areas...then the bottom six need to be better. I believe the bottom six would be better if Smyth retires... Next, the defense needs to be better, quicker... Wow! He has his work cut out for him.

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#40 Jeffff
April 30 2013, 12:23PM
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JSR wrote:

I listened to the press conference yesterday, and all I heard was MacT talking in riddles... He says the top six need to be be bigger, and go to the dirty areas...then the bottom six need to be better. I believe the bottom six would be better if Smyth retires... Next, the defense needs to be better, quicker... Wow! He has his work cut out for him.

"The Oilers have been the worst team in the NHL since the season-long lockout of 2004-05. In the eight seasons since, they’ve only won 255 of 622 games. The organization likely doesn’t want to hear it, but the team’s on-ice performance has been worse than the New York Islanders (259 wins), Columbus Blue Jackets (262), Florida Panthers (266) and Tampa Bay Lightning (278)."

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#41 Spydyr
April 30 2013, 12:24PM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

So, MacT calls out Dubnyk for needing to be better, but he raves about Gagner and doesn't even mention Gagner's weak possession numbers over the season and how Gagner needs to be better, and he surely does, both in possession and consistency.

Nice to see MacT's biases surfacing so early.

Perhaps he is pumping up an asset to increase his trade value.

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#42 Will
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Actually that isn't correct.

Later in scrum Matheson asked if Gagner can play centre long-term if he can't win draws. MacT's response to that question was completely different to this one.

This response was to his thoughts on Gagner's future with team. No mention of shortfalls.

Sorry? I suppose I was mashing them both up in my head. I guess my point is that one called into question the future place with the team, while the other asked if he needed to play better as he is going to be here anyway.

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#43 John Chambers
April 30 2013, 12:31PM
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JSR wrote:

I listened to the press conference yesterday, and all I heard was MacT talking in riddles... He says the top six need to be be bigger, and go to the dirty areas...then the bottom six need to be better. I believe the bottom six would be better if Smyth retires... Next, the defense needs to be better, quicker... Wow! He has his work cut out for him.

Yep, four years of drafting #1 and ignoring all other aspects of management will put you in a hole alright.

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#44 Craig1981
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@Jason Gregor

So do you think there might be a playier or 2 besides Belanger and Peckham that might get shipped out that surprises us because of their off ice conduct?

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#45 Smyberle
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Changes are part of a rebuild. I hear there will be 6-8 new players coming into the organization. One change I'd like to see is the addition of a "oilers swimsuit calender"... Your welcome for the mental pictures!

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#46 The Other Ron Burgundy
April 30 2013, 12:44PM
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Dallylamma wrote:

What does it say about Horcoff as a Captain if the GM is telling the world that the team's locker room has been a circus? Isn't it the Captain's job to lock that stuff down?

Yup. Unless said captain is too busy being Lowe's backup liaison to Katz...

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#48 carson
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"Many have questioned Ralph Krueger, and the main criticism seems to be that he isn't enough of a hard ass."

Hmm, that seems simplified. I think the main criticism has been of system or lack thereof. I've rarely heard complaints about how soft he is.

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#49 Bicepus Maximus - Huge fan boy!
April 30 2013, 01:04PM
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gcw_rocks wrote:

So, MacT calls out Dubnyk for needing to be better, but he raves about Gagner and doesn't even mention Gagner's weak possession numbers over the season and how Gagner needs to be better, and he surely does, both in possession and consistency.

Nice to see MacT's biases surfacing so early.

Mac: "I would way rather take a marginal step backwards and have the culture that we want, because I know it will be more impactful going forward. We've had a few years of...It's just been too much of a circus in there (dressing room)."

He was answering the Gagner question when he made the reference above. Surely that's acknowledging something.

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#50 Spydyr
April 30 2013, 01:11PM
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Butters wrote:

I wouldn't give up on Gags, you can teach a player to play better defensively. I have seen some lazy defensive plays on Gags part. He cleans that up a little and he has a place imo.

He was 6 full years in the league. Guess they have never tried to "teach a player to play better defensively". All those years.

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