THE GRETZKY STREET BULLIES?

Lowetide
April 07 2013 10:16AM

Back in the olden days, hockey had Philadelphia's "Broad Street Bullies" and the "Big, Bad Bruins" from Boston. Those days are gone, but the Edmonton Oilers clearly have plans to add some size and ruggedness to their lineup. Recent acquistion Kale Kessy and the signing of Travis Ewanyk are going to give the OKC Barons a different look next season. And what happens in Oklahoma eventuallly makes its way to Edmonton.

With the signing of Kale Kessy, Edmonton's 50 man list for 2013-14 is now at 31. Fully half of the contracts are of the NHL variety, but the ones destined for OKC give next year's team a different look. One thing we can say with confidence: the Barons are going to be hammering people this fall.

As it stands now--without the additions of rfa's and the subtraction of trades and buyouts--the Barons 2013-14 roster should feature the following:

  • G: Olivier Roy, Tyler Bunz
  • D: Martin Marincin, Brandon Davidson, Oscar Klefbom, David Musil
  • C: Anton Lander, Ryan Martindale, Travis Ewanyk
  • L: Toni Rajala, Kristians Pelss, Curtis Hamilton, Kale Kessy
  • R: Tyler Pitlick, Cameron Abney

The three forwards who can impact the game as enforcers, agitators or just hit people (Abney, Kessy and Ewanyk) are joined by a pretty tough customer in Kristians Pelss. That's a lot of added truculence for coach Todd Nelson next year. Tyler Pitlick can also run over people.

On the blue, David Musil and Brandson Davidson won't back down and there's plenty of beef and lumber on the rfa list: 

  • G: Niko Hovinen
  • D: Colten Teubert, Taylor Fedun, Alex Plante
  • C: Mark Arcobello
  • L: Phil Cornet
  • R: Antti Tyrvainen

I'm not certain the Oilers bring back Teubert and Plante, but both of them are capable of playing a physical style.

There are several drafted players who could turn pro, among them a couple of tough guys:

  • D Martin Gernat--My understanding is that the Oilers have to sign him or he re-enters the draft.
  • D Kyle Bigos--He has finished his senior year, Edmonton has to make a decision on him. 6.05, 230
  • F Kellen Jones--He has one year left and may stay in.
  • G Frans Tuohimaa--He had a pretty good season, .912SP in 12 SML games.
  • G Samu Perhonen--Has fallen off the pace, Oilers hunch did not pay off based on this year's results.
  • F John McCarron--Big body and Oilers are adding from that aisle, has 2 years left but could come out early. 
  • D Joey Laleggia--Has 2 more years as well of NCAA options, would seem likely he'll stay in college.
  • D Erik Gustafsson--Took a big step forward in the Allsvenskan this season, could come over.

Of course, Mitchell Moroz is also in the pipeline and the Oilers will no doubt be looking for trades, free agents and draft eligibles to increase the number of men of this player-type in the system.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Call them enforcers, agitators, fighters, coke machines, mountain men, or monsters. Whatever you want to call them, they're on the way. In the last few weeks, Steve Tambellini has added Mike Brown to the big league roster and Kale Kessy to the prospect base.

How many of these kids can score enough to stay in the lineup and avoid costly, career limiting penalties? That's why they play the games, to find the answer.

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Oilers need someone

who's willing to throw the fists

other than Mike Brown*

EDIT: I meant "in addition to" but couldn't fit it into the 5-7-5 format. * I LIKE the job Brown does :-)

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#2 DrunkGuyTy
April 07 2013, 02:18PM
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Yesterday me and my 8 year old watched disc #1 of the 10 greatest Oilers games ever - Gretzky's 50 in 39 vs. the Flyers. He musta told me 20 times; "Wow Dad, those guys are waaaay tougher then they are today!"

Aaaah..... The good old days. They musta got clipped with a high stick every second shift. No snappin their heads back and goin down like they'd been shot. No lookin around for the ref every time an elbow grazed their face. It's too bad the next generation was raised to be such a bunch of pu... pansies. Somewhere, we lost our pride.

Good gawd ... does Hall remind me of Messier the way he plays! Not as aggressive though.

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#3 Hair bag
April 07 2013, 03:05PM
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Serious Gord wrote:

All of the above players are irrelevant. None are locks to be 1/2 line players in the next season or the one after that.

KL&T are fiddling around the fringes of NHL capable physical players. They HAVE to deal roster Talent and prospects to get 1-2 line physical players.

But they are cowardly in this regard and blog discussions about these irrelevancies only provides them cover.

Ok who do you suggest they trade for and who do they give up for that player smart guy? Every team wants one of these guys and only half a dozen teams actually have them. No teams are going to give them up, no matter what you offer them. It is such a unique skill set to be able to have size, be able to score, hit, intimidate, and fight. The amount of guys in the league that can do all this is probably close to the same number of superstars or not far off. I get sick of reading comments like yours that berate management ("...they are cowardly...) for not making this happen - do you not think they know what they are missing and are trying to solve the problem!?! I am indifferent to Lowe and Tambellini, there has been some good and some bad moves but they, IMO, have 1-2 more years to show significant progress....enough of the personal attacks.

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#4 Eddie Shore
April 07 2013, 04:18PM
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DSF wrote:

Agree completely.

Interesting that both the Oilers and Vancouver appear to be on a mission to add size and tenacity but are taking very different approaches.

Canucks acquired Zack Kassian in a trade for Cody Hodgson but have also been adding size in other ways and, almost without exception they are players who had success in junior.

Zack Kassian - 6'3" 216 - Windsor Spitfires - 56GP 26G 51A 77P

Dale Weise - 6'2' 210 - Swift Current Broncos - 53GP 29G 22A 51P

Max Lapierre - 6'2" 210- PEI Rocket - 69GP - 25G 27A 52P

Tom Sestito - 6'5' 230 - Plymouth Whalers - 60GP - 42G 22A 64P

In every case, these players were able to score in junior.

I'm not sure a strategy of specifically drafting for size will be successful if the players involved were not able to produce offence in junior.

I hope the Kassian for Hodgson trade is a cautionary tale for Tambellini. So far that has been a horrific trade for Vancouver.

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#5 Jdrevenge
April 07 2013, 11:01AM
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This to me, is one of the more interesting phases of the rebuild. The prospects and roster players are on a collision course and it will be interesting to see how the organization moves the two components simultaneously.

This is going to be all about the brain trust now as they keep the cupboard stocked, move assets to complete the lineup and take care of the contracts of the current 50.

Tough gig.

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#7 Old Soldier
April 07 2013, 02:46PM
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An organizational need was identified and given the sheer numbers of potential players to satisfy that need I think the Oilers are done with the "coke machine" type players, unless one comes along that cant be passed up.

Going with a 2 or 3 year developmental system, what the Oilers need to focus on this draft and perhaps next is pure Offence. The team has some great talent, but thats all. The system is a dead zone when it comes to offensive players at all positions.

As with any pick, its a crap shoot, but with the possibility of picking 6 to 7 offensive players this draft, thats what I think the Oilers should focus on.

They have the defencemen in the system, they have the pluggers and tough guys in the system, now they need the skill in the system.

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#8 Eddie Shore
April 07 2013, 04:32PM
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Alsker wrote:

But not just our tradition, Semenko,McClelland,Brown,McIntyre, etc. were all other teams draftpicks. It almost seems like they need a change of scenery to prove themselves or maybe just a new look at things from both player and management.

Which is why i'm not sure you necessarily have to trade for this type of player. Nathan Horton, Ryan Clowe, David Clarkson, Guillame Latendresse, Alexei Ponikorovsky, Raffi Torres, Ryan Jones, Colby Armstrong, Max Lapierre, Viktor Stalberg are all UFA's that have size and at least some skill. There will also be RFA's and compliance buyouts that will be available. If Tambellini cannot add some size this summer then he should be shown the door. This summer should be make/break for him.

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#9 DSF
April 07 2013, 09:35PM
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Supernova wrote:

I agree it makes sense to swap expiring contracts for assets to build, but part of building a team is showing them faith and allowing them to win or lose as a team. The players will learn there is ramifications.

The "intangibles" are hard to see and hard to know what is right or wrong.

Hopefully sitting still will pay off in the things that we can only see in compete level and learning to win, and confidence.

Other wise that 5 game win streak could have cost them the ability to gain a exceptional asset In a deep draft.

Sitting still NEVER pays off when your rival GM's are constantly improving their teams.

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#10 Ryan2
April 07 2013, 11:35PM
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Supernova wrote:

DSF

The guys you listed are 3 players that play on the 4th line, 2 are claimed on waivers.

One has potential to be a top 6.

If this is our goal, I am sure Klowe and Tambo can achieve this with the current selections given time.

Aside from Kassian, what are their ages?

The goal is to get a step above these players, maybe a Hodgson for Kassian trade will occur but the rest of the roster also has to mature.

The jury is still out whether Kassian has the hockey IQ required to be more than a bottom 6 player. From what I have seen so far, the odds are against him. I know the Nucks fans are hoping for the second coming of Bertuzzi here, but Bertuzzi showed much more potential from day one in the show than Kassian likely ever will.

How many Vancouver fans would prefer to have Hodgson for depth scoring this year instead of Kassian? Instead, they have to take on Derek Roy for the rest of the season to try to fill that roll (wow - 1 assist in 2 games). Looking at the current stats, Hodgson has more goals this year than the two of them combined, and is only 2 behind both of their totals. To be fair to Roy, he has not been the same player since his quad injury a couple of years ago.

Gills is another GM that has done nothing to improve his team over the past couple of seasons. Makes the Oilers look even worse for picking up the loser in that GM competition.......

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#11 Supernova
April 08 2013, 05:49AM
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DSF wrote:

Sitting still NEVER pays off when your rival GM's are constantly improving their teams.

Disagree, that it NEVER pays off

Not all moves that teams do actually end up improving them.

I agree with part of what you are saying, just think Vancouver is the wrong example. Since Gillis has been there his acquisitions have weakened the team.

Booth? Did that improve them Ballard? Having cap space alone would have been better for years his coach can't stand him Loungo? A team in their "window" with limited cap space

I could keep on, but two of these moves doing NOTHING actually improves the team from purely a cap space move, doing SOMETHING on the other even to get Nothing would do better.

Know when to hold them, know when to fold them.

This is the wrong year to say every competitior is doing something to improve them.

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#12 Supernova
April 08 2013, 05:52AM
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Ryan2 wrote:

The jury is still out whether Kassian has the hockey IQ required to be more than a bottom 6 player. From what I have seen so far, the odds are against him. I know the Nucks fans are hoping for the second coming of Bertuzzi here, but Bertuzzi showed much more potential from day one in the show than Kassian likely ever will.

How many Vancouver fans would prefer to have Hodgson for depth scoring this year instead of Kassian? Instead, they have to take on Derek Roy for the rest of the season to try to fill that roll (wow - 1 assist in 2 games). Looking at the current stats, Hodgson has more goals this year than the two of them combined, and is only 2 behind both of their totals. To be fair to Roy, he has not been the same player since his quad injury a couple of years ago.

Gills is another GM that has done nothing to improve his team over the past couple of seasons. Makes the Oilers look even worse for picking up the loser in that GM competition.......

Ryan 2,

I agree with you. It could still work out but at this point Buffalo makes that trade 10 for 10.

Vancouver had to give up more assets this year to replace what Hodgson could have done.

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#13 Supernova
April 08 2013, 06:06AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I agree, to some extent, however, were I differ is showing who faith? The players?

How is this proper asset management? If you lose them at the trade deadline or at the end of the season what does it matter?

The Oilers could lose two of the three players with nothing in return.

The fact is them leaving is enviable, the Oilers are getting nothing from them is disconcerting.

The Oilers weaken there own team on a off chance they might make the post season, a very slim chance at that.

Your last line says exactly what management didn't want to do. Confidence alone is worth more than a 2nd and a 3rd round pick.

Why shouldn't they show faith in the players? They are the people that actually play the games.

Cap space and contract space have never been a more important currency then they currently are and will be. Look how many players that were on waivers that if we had more contract spots we could have acquired for nothing.

I am definitely in agreement on asset management on a whole, I just really think that the 5 game winning streak came at a time that wasn't conducive to The overall build of the team, but if they traded away assets it could have a real negative effect on the confidence and likewise intangibles of the hall, Eberle, RNH, gagner, Schultz, petry, Smid, dubnyk's long term.

When horcoff and Belanger went down earlier is when we should be all over them, we had contract space and need, while the ship was sinking. Who knows how many points we could have gained if we had even a smithson to win face offs, and play defensive Center.

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#14 719
April 07 2013, 10:29AM
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Thanks Lowetide, your article on the futures of this team are some of the most enjoyable on the site.

Oilers hopefully see the errors of their ways with Hovinen and don't re-sign him. Gernat needs to be signed soon.

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#15 719
April 07 2013, 10:32AM
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Does anyone know if Tuohimaa has to be signed this year, or can he go without a EL contract as long as he is in Europe?

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#16 Dude
April 07 2013, 10:51AM
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Bigos was great at the rookie camp.hope they keep him

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#17 StHenriOilBomb
April 07 2013, 11:12AM
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Jdrevenge wrote:

This to me, is one of the more interesting phases of the rebuild. The prospects and roster players are on a collision course and it will be interesting to see how the organization moves the two components simultaneously.

This is going to be all about the brain trust now as they keep the cupboard stocked, move assets to complete the lineup and take care of the contracts of the current 50.

Tough gig.

I agree wholeheartedly. If done well, it's going to be fascinating.

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#18 Zack
April 07 2013, 11:24AM
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Aside from a few players listed, I don't really see too many high end prospects in that group (mostly 3rd/4rth line potential). Klefbom and maybe Musil too could turn into something useful but do you think with that core LT that the barons can compete next year? It's too bad we couldn't see Juhjar sp* in a Barons jersey next year, out of all our "coke machines" I think he's the one who has the potential to make the biggest impact (whatever that may be).

As of this morning the Oilers sit 12th overall in the draft. I'm rooting for them to make playoffs but if they slide into top ten most players selected in that range could easily bolster any position.

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#20 Spydyr
April 07 2013, 11:43AM
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Every team wants one. They are hard to come by. Big, tough , skilled players .Who have hands good enough to score and tough enough to fight.

The Oilers need one, two would be nice. You have to turn over lots of rocks to find that right one. They are turning over rocks.

The skill part of the team is pretty well covered. The core is in place outside a top two defencemen and that missing player mentioned above. Perhaps a young goalie to push Dubbie.

Time to build the grinders , muckers and hard hitters. You know ,the guys that make a difference in the playoffs.

The team has been too easy to play against for 7 years now. Time to change that.

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#21 Serious Gord
April 07 2013, 12:05PM
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All of the above players are irrelevant. None are locks to be 1/2 line players in the next season or the one after that.

KL&T are fiddling around the fringes of NHL capable physical players. They HAVE to deal roster Talent and prospects to get 1-2 line physical players.

But they are cowardly in this regard and blog discussions about these irrelevancies only provides them cover.

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#22 exsanguinator
April 07 2013, 12:06PM
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I agree with the type of player that dithers has been trying to acquire here but I think he needs to up the skill level a little bit. I like the idea of more grit in the lineup but if they aren't good at keeping their heads above water or the PK or something then it's just wasted roster space.

The skill portion of the roster is pretty much set, now the oil just needs some bottom six guys that aren't going to get murdered every night on the scoreboard while they are trying to crush people.

And of course, a couple more defensemen that aren't injury machines that can play would help a lot too.

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#23 @Oilanderp
April 07 2013, 12:29PM
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Wouldn't it be easier to just keep drafting skill until it bubbles over into a trade for the big guy with hands?

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#24 Rama Lama
April 07 2013, 12:33PM
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The toughness factor seems to be "trending up", as they say...........I hope that Kale Kessy is a good substitute for Tobias Reider. Tobias looked real good on a really bad team at the world juniors.

Keeping the team relatively the same after the trade deadline has put us in a situation where we can draft in the top ten. Perhaps we can take a crack at Curtis Lazar ( going around 15 or so) Max Domi or trade up and try for a home run with Sean Monahan?

There is also Jugir Kharia who after next year should merit some attention.

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#26 DSF
April 07 2013, 12:52PM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

Wouldn't it be easier to just keep drafting skill until it bubbles over into a trade for the big guy with hands?

Agree completely.

Interesting that both the Oilers and Vancouver appear to be on a mission to add size and tenacity but are taking very different approaches.

Canucks acquired Zack Kassian in a trade for Cody Hodgson but have also been adding size in other ways and, almost without exception they are players who had success in junior.

Zack Kassian - 6'3" 216 - Windsor Spitfires - 56GP 26G 51A 77P

Dale Weise - 6'2' 210 - Swift Current Broncos - 53GP 29G 22A 51P

Max Lapierre - 6'2" 210- PEI Rocket - 69GP - 25G 27A 52P

Tom Sestito - 6'5' 230 - Plymouth Whalers - 60GP - 42G 22A 64P

In every case, these players were able to score in junior.

I'm not sure a strategy of specifically drafting for size will be successful if the players involved were not able to produce offence in junior.

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#27 jdrevenge
April 07 2013, 12:52PM
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I was catching up on some Matty this morning and there was an outright statement about the Oilers being interested (they'd be stupid not to be) in Barkov. He seems to be dipping a bit in the polls (6th at ISS), I wonder if there's an opportunity for us to move up and flip our first and some of our D prospects to get him. He's a big kid who shoots left so maybe he could slide over to 2LW down the road.

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#28 etownman
April 07 2013, 01:10PM
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I think they should re-sign Fedun & Teubert! Marincin & Davidson are already there under contract, that's a nice base for OKC! Klefbom & Musil are signed & on the way, that's six! I would definately sign both Bigos & Gustafsson (very solid defender in Swedish hockey & plays with truculence :-)), that's 8! Bigos takes Plante's spot easily & is bigger & meaner! They probably will add one more minor league defender to have the proper numbers for OKC & Stockton!

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#29 The Soup Fascist
April 07 2013, 01:10PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

The toughness factor seems to be "trending up", as they say...........I hope that Kale Kessy is a good substitute for Tobias Reider. Tobias looked real good on a really bad team at the world juniors.

Keeping the team relatively the same after the trade deadline has put us in a situation where we can draft in the top ten. Perhaps we can take a crack at Curtis Lazar ( going around 15 or so) Max Domi or trade up and try for a home run with Sean Monahan?

There is also Jugir Kharia who after next year should merit some attention.

Kessy will play as many or more games in the NHL than Reider. The odds are stacked against both to be honest. One is a small skilled guy, whose numbers have regressed. The other is a large tough guy with flashes of skill, still playing Junior at 20. Difference is Kessy IMO has more of what the Oil are missing. Not sure why there is so much hue and cry over this deal.

Much ado about nothing.

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#30 @Oilanderp
April 07 2013, 01:11PM
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@Lowetide

@DSF

Here's to another decade of "Well he's got the size... I guess we can teach him how to play hockey over the next 3 years."

That will probably be a less successful drafting technique than that of Maggie the Monkey.

I REALLY wish they would just let other teams do the guessing and reaching and then trade for those guys when it is a little less of a gamble.

I guess what I am saying is that 6 singles, 2 doubles, 2 strikeouts are worth more than 1 home run and 9 strikeouts.

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#31 DSF
April 07 2013, 01:16PM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

@DSF

Here's to another decade of "Well he's got the size... I guess we can teach him how to play hockey over the next 3 years."

That will probably be a less successful drafting technique than that of Maggie the Monkey.

I REALLY wish they would just let other teams do the guessing and reaching and then trade for those guys when it is a little less of a gamble.

I guess what I am saying is that 6 singles, 2 doubles, 2 strikeouts are worth more than 1 home run and 9 strikeouts.

Yep.

On base percentage is what it's all about.

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#32 DSF
April 07 2013, 01:22PM
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Lowetide wrote:

The funny thing about that is the Oilers often draft, develop and the release these players. Brad Winchester played 300 games in the NHL after the Oilers set him free to "get a second opinion."

And Colin McDonald now appears to be catching on with the Islanders.

Not to mention Brodziak and Chimera.

It's a tradition.

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#33 etownman
April 07 2013, 01:28PM
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I forgot to add I think the Oilers will also sign Gernat but he will play junior as an overager because of last years injury problems, good for him, Oilers & Oil Kings!

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#34 Dipstick
April 07 2013, 01:38PM
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etownman wrote:

I forgot to add I think the Oilers will also sign Gernat but he will play junior as an overager because of last years injury problems, good for him, Oilers & Oil Kings!

Can imports play as over aged players?

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#35 @Oilanderp
April 07 2013, 01:40PM
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It would be interesting to see if the Oilers let go a larger number of players due to impatience than other NHL teams. I can see problems trying to quantify it though.

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#36 Alsker
April 07 2013, 02:17PM
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DSF wrote:

Not to mention Brodziak and Chimera.

It's a tradition.

But not just our tradition, Semenko,McClelland,Brown,McIntyre, etc. were all other teams draftpicks. It almost seems like they need a change of scenery to prove themselves or maybe just a new look at things from both player and management.

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#37 Mac962
April 07 2013, 02:21PM
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If we are subject to waiting for these Coke machine picks to mature and make it to the bIg club in 2-4 Years , i can assure you we will have lost Some of our elite talent to injury, or worse they tire of getting pounded night in and night out and will want out of Dwarfville. It will Happen, A piece or 2 must be picked up this summer that can slide in to the current roster. Easy to find ? No, Not at all. But they are put there somewhere, and we have the Prospects and Picks to acquire them. Dont tell me it can't be done, it can with a aggressive GM. Again- no it is not easy , but can be done. I would suggest the Oilers scouts world wide if they aren't aleady start hunting. The last 2 games show you, we have no chance at all against big teams, especially in a 7 game series.

And we have Anaheim 3 more times ? Good luck with that. This year is over as much as it burns my A$$. I almost don't want to make the payoffs and get the s sheet kicked out of us. It will happen and we all know it.

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#38 Oiler Al
April 07 2013, 02:53PM
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Forget the idea of "cookmachine" size only. They have to be able to play hocked at a high level, in speed and puck control, and passing ability, and take a regular shift on a line.

This idea of these thugs playing on the 4 th line and sitting on the pine for 55 minutes a night wont win you hockey games, or take care of toughness on your team. These come out take a dance with the goon from the other team and their nights work is done.

Eager was a partial model, can skate like the wind, not the greatest hands, but his hockey sense didnt even move the needle. He changed or developed almost zero from his Jr. days. Wasnt much of fighter on top of that.

Guys like Carcillo and Clutterbuck, aren the biggest guys, but can play and hit to hurt, and play on regular line. Heck , Carcillo often plays on the second line.

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#39 DSF
April 07 2013, 03:08PM
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Hair bag wrote:

Ok who do you suggest they trade for and who do they give up for that player smart guy? Every team wants one of these guys and only half a dozen teams actually have them. No teams are going to give them up, no matter what you offer them. It is such a unique skill set to be able to have size, be able to score, hit, intimidate, and fight. The amount of guys in the league that can do all this is probably close to the same number of superstars or not far off. I get sick of reading comments like yours that berate management ("...they are cowardly...) for not making this happen - do you not think they know what they are missing and are trying to solve the problem!?! I am indifferent to Lowe and Tambellini, there has been some good and some bad moves but they, IMO, have 1-2 more years to show significant progress....enough of the personal attacks.

This is not true.

If you look at the post above you'll see Vancouver has acquired FOUR big guys who can also play hockey in the past two years.

They can be acquired through trade and free agent signings every year.

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#40 Rama Lama
April 07 2013, 03:25PM
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Hair bag wrote:

Ok who do you suggest they trade for and who do they give up for that player smart guy? Every team wants one of these guys and only half a dozen teams actually have them. No teams are going to give them up, no matter what you offer them. It is such a unique skill set to be able to have size, be able to score, hit, intimidate, and fight. The amount of guys in the league that can do all this is probably close to the same number of superstars or not far off. I get sick of reading comments like yours that berate management ("...they are cowardly...) for not making this happen - do you not think they know what they are missing and are trying to solve the problem!?! I am indifferent to Lowe and Tambellini, there has been some good and some bad moves but they, IMO, have 1-2 more years to show significant progress....enough of the personal attacks.

What you fail to mention is that someone had to draft these big guys we covet so much.

There seems to be this thinking that you have to be one or the other........hell I would take a Brown, Clutterbuck, or a Darcy Tucker type any day. You do not have to be a coke machine, just be a natural junk yard dog!

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#41 Alsker
April 07 2013, 03:32PM
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This is not true.

If you look at the post above you'll see Vancouver has acquired FOUR big guys who can also play hockey in the past two years.

They can be acquired through trade and free agent signings every year.

Aaagh, I have to agree with DSF. How many times have we commented on what the Oil havent done rather than what they have. This trade deadline, Raffi Torres fills a need(aggressive,mean streak,tough and can play), also all the talk of Ott being available from Buf. Who cares if you must give up something to get something, whats the point of professional sport, oh ya, to WIN!! This mgt. team drafted their core and now must fill in the blanks(thats their job) and prove they know what they're doing.

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#42 Alsker
April 07 2013, 03:35PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

What you fail to mention is that someone had to draft these big guys we covet so much.

There seems to be this thinking that you have to be one or the other........hell I would take a Brown, Clutterbuck, or a Darcy Tucker type any day. You do not have to be a coke machine, just be a natural junk yard dog!

Exactly, give me a Dave Hunter/Pat hughes/Linseman type guy over a Moose Dupont any day of the week.

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#43 Hair bag
April 07 2013, 04:44PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

What you fail to mention is that someone had to draft these big guys we covet so much.

There seems to be this thinking that you have to be one or the other........hell I would take a Brown, Clutterbuck, or a Darcy Tucker type any day. You do not have to be a coke machine, just be a natural junk yard dog!

I agree take size out of it and keep the fight in the dog. However we hear on this blog all the time about Trading for a guy like Lucic - my point is that there are very few players with all the characteristics that Lucic has and teams like Boston aren't trading them away no matter what you offer them - they need to be drafted or sighted as a UFA. The drafting part is difficult because most of these big bruisers don't have the refined skill when they are playing junior or they are a skill guy without a mean streak - it's mostly speculation from the scouts and you just hope they are correct and the player lives up to the potential.

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#44 Hair bag
April 07 2013, 04:57PM
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Agree completely.

Interesting that both the Oilers and Vancouver appear to be on a mission to add size and tenacity but are taking very different approaches.

Canucks acquired Zack Kassian in a trade for Cody Hodgson but have also been adding size in other ways and, almost without exception they are players who had success in junior.

Zack Kassian - 6'3" 216 - Windsor Spitfires - 56GP 26G 51A 77P

Dale Weise - 6'2' 210 - Swift Current Broncos - 53GP 29G 22A 51P

Max Lapierre - 6'2" 210- PEI Rocket - 69GP - 25G 27A 52P

Tom Sestito - 6'5' 230 - Plymouth Whalers - 60GP - 42G 22A 64P

In every case, these players were able to score in junior.

I'm not sure a strategy of specifically drafting for size will be successful if the players involved were not able to produce offence in junior.

I have no problem with any of the guys above, I would take any of them on my team BUT none of them is top six guy like a Lucic, Horton, Stewart or Iginla of old.... (The verdict is still out on Kassian - he could be potentially).

If the Oilers could add two of the above type for their 3 and 4 th lines it would go a long way....but again trying to find these guys who can also score and play in your top 6 is extremely difficult.

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#45 Wäx Män Riley
April 07 2013, 05:02PM
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Not to mention Brodziak and Chimera.

It's a tradition.

As we all know, this franchise is steeped in tradition.

-Once an Oiler, always an Oiler.

-Hire only ex-Oilers in the front office.

-Draft big coke machines that can't play.

-Draft small, skilled forwards

-Finish out of the playoffs or last every year.

Check on all accounts.

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#46 Rama Lama
April 07 2013, 05:14PM
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@Hair bag

There are players each and every draft that are described by all the experts to the the " power forward". An example of this would be last years draft......Henrik Samuelsson.

We wanted this guy, but failed to get him and ended up selecting Mitch Moroz way ahead of his draft status. It's managements responsibility to find the players.......they are out there but since Tamby's arrival we have always taken BPA, which in my mind is as hit and miss as buying lottery tickets.

This may work in the top ten, and even then this strategy depends upon some scouts analysis........which is often wrong.

I think most people can assume that smaller faster players usually put up more points than their larger counter parts ( except guys named Mario, Jager, Malkin) and as a result get drafted due to the total points they put up. This does not always translate to the NHL so IMHO the secound round draft picks are as important as gold. We had assets we could have used to secure more picks and management did nothing.

I beleive this strategy will cost us at this years draft .

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#47 DSF
April 07 2013, 05:34PM
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Dallas wins in a shoot out to move ahead of the Oilers

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#48 Hair bag
April 07 2013, 05:36PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

There are players each and every draft that are described by all the experts to the the " power forward". An example of this would be last years draft......Henrik Samuelsson.

We wanted this guy, but failed to get him and ended up selecting Mitch Moroz way ahead of his draft status. It's managements responsibility to find the players.......they are out there but since Tamby's arrival we have always taken BPA, which in my mind is as hit and miss as buying lottery tickets.

This may work in the top ten, and even then this strategy depends upon some scouts analysis........which is often wrong.

I think most people can assume that smaller faster players usually put up more points than their larger counter parts ( except guys named Mario, Jager, Malkin) and as a result get drafted due to the total points they put up. This does not always translate to the NHL so IMHO the secound round draft picks are as important as gold. We had assets we could have used to secure more picks and management did nothing.

I beleive this strategy will cost us at this years draft .

Possibly....I guess only time will tell.

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#49 loosemoose
April 07 2013, 05:39PM
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IMO, the Oilers are wasting time and resources trying to find this type of player this way.

Mitch Moroz? or Matt Finn?

Gee, the Oilers are deep at D, better take a shot at the next "Lucic".....

The Oiler Way.....

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#50 Alsker
April 07 2013, 05:55PM
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Dallas wins in a shoot out to move ahead of the Oilers

Why do I feel like I just got kicked while I was down, BUT on a brighter note the Red Wings lost in regulation

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