GDB 39.0: JUST WIN

Jason Gregor
April 08 2013 01:14PM

At the start of this four-game road trip the Oilers needed two wins. It didn't matter how, when or where, but they needed at least two victories. They won in Calgary, lost in Vancouver and LA so that leaves them with no choice but to win in Anaheim.

Simple. Just Win.

Of course, winning in the NHL isn't that easy.

I could bore you with percentages and how many wins the Oilers need down the stretch to keep their faint playoff hopes alive, but I don't see the need. Someone smarter than I came up with the saying "Keep It Simple Stupid," and that rings true today.

A win puts the Oilers two points back of Detroit with 9 games remaining, and 7 of those 9 games will be in Edmonton. A win gives Edmonton a chance.

The Ducks played last night, so obviously the Oilers should win. The Ducks have to be fatigued don't they? That was the reason the Oilers lost in Vancouver on Thursday wasn't it?  They were tired from the night before. So based on that theory the Oilers should take advantage of a tired team tonight.

LINEUP

Hall/Nugent-Hopkins/Eberle
Paajarvi/Gagner/Yakupov
Smyth/Horcoff/Jones
Brown/Smithson/Petrell

Smid/Petry
N.Schultz/J.Schultz
Whitney/Fistric

Dubnyk

Ales Hemsky is out with a foot injury, he's been playing injured for the last 10 days, so Ryan Jones will take his place in the lineup. Mark Fistric take Corey Potter's place on the 3rd pairing and he will play his first game since March 25th.

Ryan Getzlaf is also a game time decision. Getzlaf loves playing the Oilers, registering 27 points in 23 career games, and obviously it would be better for the Oilers if the Ducks elect to give him another day to rest.

QUICK HITS

  • If you want to see how many people wrote off Alex Ovechkin this season, type in Ovechkin vs. Crosby in the twitter search box. Ovechkin has 20 goals and 33 points in his last 23 games. That is unreal. The hilarious part is how the anti-Ovechkin crew are now suggesting he only scores vs. non-playoff teams. Of course when he scored 9 points in three games vs. Winnipeg and New Jersey both teams were in the playoffs, but because they aren't in today that crowd suggests he feasts on weaker competition. That is a creative way to use the stats in your favour. Either way, Ovechkin is back to being one of the most exciting players to watch.
     
  • Crosby is better overall, but Ovechkin is a better goal scorer and he's still one of the best forwards in the game. Adam Oates got him to switch wings this year, and now that Ovechkin is comfortable on his new wing he is lighting it up.
     
  • Sheldon Souray was also written off by many, yet he's having a great year in Anaheim. Souray has 16 points, is playing 21 minutes a night and he is tied for the league-lead at +26 with Sidney Crosby. Souray adds a lot of toughness and swagger to the Ducks as well. Harsh reality in sports is you can't let personal feelings get in the way of business. Oilers needed to get something for Souray, but never did.
     
  • Theo Peckham will never be as dominant as Sheldon Souray, but I see similarities in how they've been handled. Peckham screwed up royally by not staying in shape, and I applauded the organization for sending him a strong message. But that was six weeks ago. Now all they are doing is lowering his trade value, which wasn't that high to begin with, and they will have to qualify him or loss him for nothing. Peckham received the message loud and clear. He deserved to be sent to the minors, but when he returns to the NHL he'll be a decent contributor. If the Oilers let him walk for nothing, that will be another example of bad management.
     
  • I don't understand why the Oilers have Anton Lander sitting in the pressbox rather than playing in the AHL. He hasn't played a game since he scored 6 points vs. the Rockford Icedogs on March 30th. How can the Oilers possibly believe sitting in the pressbox, and practicing twice in a week is helping his development. I understood why they recalled him when Belanger was hurt, but once they traded for Smithson I don't see the value in him not playing.
     
  • I'm guessing Justin Schultz will be booed regularly tonight. Ducks fans are still livid he shunned them and signed with the Oilers. I wonder if they can maintain that all game, the way Oilers fans have voiced their displeasure with many ex-Oilers or Dany Heatley.
     
  • How awesome is Sunday TV right now. Mad Men and Game of Thrones are back, and The Good Wife has another few weeks before their season is over. Excellent way to wind down the week.
     
  • Andrew Cogliano leads the Ducks with 11 ES goals. He's having a solid campaign with 12 goals and 22 points.  Cogliano wasn't going to fit in Edmonton long-term, once they drafted Ryan Nugent-Hopkings, but he's a solid NHLer for the Ducks. He's never missed an NHL game, and tonight he will play his 450th consecutive game.

TONIGHT... (just for you LT)

GAME DAY PREDICTION: Just like they did four weeks ago the Oilers will win a game few expect them to. After back-to-back shutout loses the Oilers went into Chicago and won 6-5. Tonight after uninspired losses in Van and LA the Oilers will entertain you with a 5-4 victory.

OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: The Oilers score 3 PP goals. The Ducks PK is 22nd and they've given up the 6th most PP goals in the league.

NOT-SO-OBVIOUS GAME DAY PREDICTION: Nick Schultz loves playing the Ducks. Five of his 26 career goals have come against the Ducks. He has 26 goals in 801 games, but he has 5 in 40 games vs. the Ducks. In the 2nd period Schultz jumps up in the play and scores his first of the season.

RECENTLY BY JASON GREGOR

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#101 NewageSys
April 08 2013, 09:45PM
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StHenriOilBomb wrote:

Check my last question to you. Two way dialogue.

Go back 10-15 games and look at the individual players scoring stats, look at the number of goals scored by the 2nd line, by Gagners line and compare it to the 1st lines offensive production.

Until eight games ago the 1st line was being mismanaged, it has since been adjusted and has shown huge improvement as a result.

We should have kept a line of MPS-Gagner-Yakupov as a consistant 2nd linne behind our Hall-Nuge-Ebbs line, simply because once the 1st line tuned in then the 2nd line would have remained productive and given us the 1-2 punch offensively we have needed all year long.

Instead we butchered the Gagner line and kept changing it around. Hemsky should have been on the 3rd line providing scoring since the 3rd game of the year. These were critical decisions and were not really made optimally.

Look at the number of goals the 2nd line scored this year and when they scored them, i am referring to the players comprising the lines overall not only their statistical numbers playing as trios, I mean overall dynamic effect on the teams path forward.

The Gagner line carried the team through most of this year offensively, and because of that fact they deserve the chance to lead the team in what could be the last meaningfull game of the year.

I know the 1st line did a good job defensively against tough matchups ect ect, I know the goals the 2nd line personell put up were spread around , some on the PP some not but they were the goals that fuelled the teams progress, I just believe that the 1st line was dynamiclly stunted for much of this year and only recently came out of their slump and began spreading their scoring around more amongst themselves.

Like right now, put the 2nd line I listed on as the 1st matchup slot, change things up, WE need the win MORE than them, so we need to lead the dance. We cannot be reactive tonight, we are under pressure we need to be active and aggressive. Just use the simple give and gos, and finish at the net with shots consistantly,with our team speed you cannot go wrong.

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#102 Alsker
April 08 2013, 09:45PM
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14 min between shots, well atleast we should get one more this period. Yes the Ducks are a very good team but they played yesterday, how can we not be all over them????I know it started well until the Ducks woke up, watching the game its the quackers who look like the team on the bubble.

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#103 Alsker
April 08 2013, 09:50PM
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Did I time warp back 3 years, we look worse the fLames do, and thats saying something. No desire,drive, pride. This starts from the top and thats where the responsibility for this crap lies. Com'n Katz, rattle Klowe cage and see what happens

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#104 Eddie Edmonton
April 08 2013, 09:57PM
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NewageSys wrote:

Go back 10-15 games and look at the individual players scoring stats, look at the number of goals scored by the 2nd line, by Gagners line and compare it to the 1st lines offensive production.

Until eight games ago the 1st line was being mismanaged, it has since been adjusted and has shown huge improvement as a result.

We should have kept a line of MPS-Gagner-Yakupov as a consistant 2nd linne behind our Hall-Nuge-Ebbs line, simply because once the 1st line tuned in then the 2nd line would have remained productive and given us the 1-2 punch offensively we have needed all year long.

Instead we butchered the Gagner line and kept changing it around. Hemsky should have been on the 3rd line providing scoring since the 3rd game of the year. These were critical decisions and were not really made optimally.

Look at the number of goals the 2nd line scored this year and when they scored them, i am referring to the players comprising the lines overall not only their statistical numbers playing as trios, I mean overall dynamic effect on the teams path forward.

The Gagner line carried the team through most of this year offensively, and because of that fact they deserve the chance to lead the team in what could be the last meaningfull game of the year.

I know the 1st line did a good job defensively against tough matchups ect ect, I know the goals the 2nd line personell put up were spread around , some on the PP some not but they were the goals that fuelled the teams progress, I just believe that the 1st line was dynamiclly stunted for much of this year and only recently came out of their slump and began spreading their scoring around more amongst themselves.

Like right now, put the 2nd line I listed on as the 1st matchup slot, change things up, WE need the win MORE than them, so we need to lead the dance. We cannot be reactive tonight, we are under pressure we need to be active and aggressive. Just use the simple give and gos, and finish at the net with shots consistantly,with our team speed you cannot go wrong.

Your posts lead me to believe that you are delusional.

I thought about responding to your comment, but then I thought better.

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#105 StHenriOilBomb
April 08 2013, 10:04PM
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@NewageSys

Two problems though. Looking at the boxcars for individual players will tell us little about how productive they are in the situation you suggest. If, in fact, the players are producing away from this trio, doesn't it mean that they should be kept apart.

This trio produced fairly well together, but it was with Hemsky that Gags and Yak had the great start.

Gags' line has bled chances against all year. No matter who the wingers are, it has been bad. I don't want him consistently lining up against the bast that the opposition has to offer.

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#106 Alsker
April 08 2013, 10:05PM
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Way to much time at Disneyland, we look totally disinterested. How bout a t/o RK and berate your players openly and publically. Slats had no probs doing it.

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#107 NewAgeSys
April 08 2013, 10:09PM
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Eddie Edmonton wrote:

Your posts lead me to believe that you are delusional.

I thought about responding to your comment, but then I thought better.

In a poetic sort of way after reading your post I feel the same way about you,ha ha ha.

We REALLY need to take our penaltys on the way to their net, this means HITTING them and not useing our sticks so much, we are being freaking spanked by the refs, so lets PICK OUR OWN POISON and hammer them all the way down the middle to their net for the rest of this game and try to win it.

If we are going to take the spanking at least lets twist a little and pick the cheek that takes the bulk of the punishment. The refs arent backing down so like a UFC fight we need to take the decision out of the refs hands and that only happens with a knockout or a submission, so lets bust them up physically, no more peripheral penaltys, take it to the net , we need to pound our way through this one, not try to hang on till the 3rd like we have done.

ASSUME we are going to get the penaltys and make them call what WE want, not what they want to call. Go to the middle and lead with your elbows every shift, drive it to the net and take penaltys in the only good way you can, in the offensive zone busting to the net.

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#108 StHenriOilBomb
April 08 2013, 10:11PM
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You think the players think the season is over, and have given up?

or...

do they just not know how to compete with good teams in big games?

I'm not sure which is worse.

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#109 Alsker
April 08 2013, 10:17PM
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@StHenriOilBomb

Well then its a good thing they haven't had to face top line opposition. JW has posted the stats that gags' line has had 2nd or 3rd line opposition all season. They still bleed real bad and lately haven't put up the points, thus look worse than earlier in the year.

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#110 ginganinja
April 08 2013, 10:19PM
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This has been just absolutely awful. Yeah not a bad road game Gene. Suuuuurre. Just bc its only 1 0. Should be 4 0.

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#111 Walter Sobchak
April 08 2013, 10:20PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Any player / coach that intentionally tanks a shift, let alone a game - I want gone.

Now.

Then basically all the Oilers management core for the last 3 years.

You could then make an argument for this year as well, not improving the team at the trade deadline, never mind the gaping holes prior to the start of the season

Doesn’t take away from the fact the Oilers would be better off with a higher draft pick, me thinks the Oilers brass thinks the same way and is the reason the roster has changed only marginally this year.

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#112 StHenriOilBomb
April 08 2013, 10:24PM
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@Alsker

exactly. I don't want their match-ups to get any harder.

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#113 Alsker
April 08 2013, 10:26PM
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StHenriOilBomb wrote:

You think the players think the season is over, and have given up?

or...

do they just not know how to compete with good teams in big games?

I'm not sure which is worse.

you forgot option #3.. they get payed regardless win or lose Pride is really missing on this team, in the early 80s we had great young talent but surrounded them with an incredible group of vets that never excepted losing at any cost. Season on the line, do or die, and we have more passengers than drivers, really feel sorry for those who actually care.

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What an absolute rocket by Sr. Take that reverend Lovejoy.

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#115 Dog Train
April 08 2013, 10:28PM
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It came a period late but Gregor nailed the NSOGDP.

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Maggie needs to score the winner.

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#117 NewAgeSys
April 08 2013, 10:29PM
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StHenriOilBomb wrote:

Two problems though. Looking at the boxcars for individual players will tell us little about how productive they are in the situation you suggest. If, in fact, the players are producing away from this trio, doesn't it mean that they should be kept apart.

This trio produced fairly well together, but it was with Hemsky that Gags and Yak had the great start.

Gags' line has bled chances against all year. No matter who the wingers are, it has been bad. I don't want him consistently lining up against the bast that the opposition has to offer.

Actually because I was only referring to goals and their dynamic impact on the teams forward progress and sucess, the boxcars on goals can be treated differently than their stats as a whole, goals win games and the players who score them are carrying the team at the end of the day. Look at Nuges shooting %, you do realise he will likely break an NHL record next year in terms of improvement. This isnt fluke, it happened because of the way the line was being managed most of this year. Same with |Ebbs stats, they have been a false/positive reading in terms of his work and effort input. When the line adjusted its tactics the stats began to even out amongst the guys .

In terms of producing away from the trio, that doesnt really fly either because we are dealing with Hemsky who is an anomaly, and thats why he belonged on the 3rd line from gm 3 forward, he scores his goals the same way no matter what line he is on and he only needs a few rushes to make a huge game impact. This is why I just used goals by the members of the 1st and 2nd lines as my baseline, not total points, and thats why I say the 2nd line led this team. Because the men who played on it put up the goals.

Actually hemsky was the problem all year long, we needed him on the 3rd line providing us with scoring depth. hemmer needs to monopolise puck possesion to be at his best, he is a zone entry specialist and an elite one, but he hogs the puck to much of the time and severely limits the offensive versatility of any line he is on, he can and does dominate every line he is on in terms of zone entry ability, you MUST give him the puck. This means our creative players like gagner and our snipers like yakupov DONT have the puck enough of the time in transitional areas which is where you catalyse offensive playaction out of. Hemsky is cracking through those areas like a bolt of lightening, so if he doesnt have two 6"2-220lb forwards owning the netfront to take his passes he actually hurts the lines overall offensive production potential if he is playing with other elite guys, Hemmer is a line fixer who does best with less talented men who support him as the catalyst every possesion. Like Smyth and Horcs are, as the 3rd line should have been all year long.

Gagners line produces goals so they balance out the chances against they allow, as they have proven they can do. They are pushing all the time. I am happy with the defensive abilitys of our 1st line, they were mismanaged offensively this year, as a permanent 2nd line the Gagner line will give us a lethal one-two offensive punch. Now that the 1st line has woken up we need the Gagner line to stay firmly in the 2nd slot, and we need hemmer on the 3rd line if we get him back. We need Hall,MPS,Hemmer to be our zone entry specialists on our top 3 lines,one on each line, never two of them together unless its like a Hall-Hemmer speedball we want to throw against a specific team.

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#118 The Soup Fascist
April 08 2013, 10:30PM
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Way to go Schultz! That should shut all those boo birds up ......... Wait ......... What?

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#119 The Soup Fascist
April 08 2013, 10:34PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Then basically all the Oilers management core for the last 3 years.

You could then make an argument for this year as well, not improving the team at the trade deadline, never mind the gaping holes prior to the start of the season

Doesn’t take away from the fact the Oilers would be better off with a higher draft pick, me thinks the Oilers brass thinks the same way and is the reason the roster has changed only marginally this year.

There is a difference between the "brain trust" and the guys playing the game. I am fine with not bringing in short term help at the risk of selling the future. What I can't condone is not trying. The prize of a better pick is nothing compared to the habits of half assing it. You can't turn that off and on.

For the record I don't think any self-respecting player would tank. I am offended with the suggestions that they should.

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#120 Alsker
April 08 2013, 10:40PM
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Dvorak...again... really, really, really,

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#121 sofarsogood
April 08 2013, 10:40PM
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gregor, good research and a helluva call on nicks goal

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#122 NewAgeSys
April 08 2013, 10:41PM
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StHenriOilBomb wrote:

exactly. I don't want their match-ups to get any harder.

The reason i would switch the line slots is simply because MPS if he is even on the 2nd line uses a very sucessfull zone entry tactic that is VERY different than Halls method. This means that the primary zone entry threat would be changed to a bigger more powerfull MPS who is only a hair slower than Hall but takes up wayyy more space.

I think Gagner can engineer offense against any level of competition, i believe the zone entry specialist is the true key to any lines optimal performance. Simply putting MPS in halls spot also has this effect. But the chemistry is strong between MPS and Gagner so i would toss them up there for those reasons. Yakupov is a true sniper and he doesnt shoot like |Ebbs or from the same areas as Ebbs does, so he is also a better fit up there.

Halls speed isnt overwhelming against all types of top defensive units because he isnt quite big enough yet but MPS is already big enough to be able to challenge ANY top defensive combo. Magnuses speed is so good that he is just a hair behind hall so we are lucky we can change the face of out top lines o-zone entry so effectively if we want to do so.

We need to get with the program and start making contact, we need to get greasy and take it to their net down the middle.

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#123 NewAgeSys
April 08 2013, 10:46PM
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Kudos to the poster who predicted N Schultz would score tonight, i read one like that earlier pre-game, that was a real gem man, Nicky isnt exactly a goal scorer i would ever bet on,ha ha ha, excellent job.

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#124 The Soup Fascist
April 08 2013, 10:46PM
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Alsker wrote:

Dvorak...again... really, really, really,

It's in the NHL rulebook. Rule 30.1 g:

"Players released, traded, bought out or otherwise exiled by the Edmonton Oilers shall, no matter how marginal in talent or late in their career, score against their former team. Further, should the players in question not have scored in dozens of NHL games prior to said game versus the Oilers, they are obligated to score multiple points."

So it is written. So it shall be.

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#125 vetinari
April 08 2013, 10:56PM
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I would love to hear Debrusk say something like "I hate you Tambellini" on TV

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#126 Walter Sobchak
April 08 2013, 10:57PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

There is a difference between the "brain trust" and the guys playing the game. I am fine with not bringing in short term help at the risk of selling the future. What I can't condone is not trying. The prize of a better pick is nothing compared to the habits of half assing it. You can't turn that off and on.

For the record I don't think any self-respecting player would tank. I am offended with the suggestions that they should.

If you’re referring to me suggesting the players tank then your way off.

I only suggested that it would be in there best interest, of course I don’t condone it or suggest the players who are competitive by nature to stop competing.

However, if the Oilers lose I won’t be upset.

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#127 NewAgeSys
April 08 2013, 11:01PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

It's in the NHL rulebook. Rule 30.1 g:

"Players released, traded, bought out or otherwise exiled by the Edmonton Oilers shall, no matter how marginal in talent or late in their career, score against their former team. Further, should the players in question not have scored in dozens of NHL games prior to said game versus the Oilers, they are obligated to score multiple points."

So it is written. So it shall be.

You are so right about that, it is one of the weirdest curses I have ever witnessed, but sure as hell they ALL seem to score against us.

Its like kicking the cat one more time.

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#128 The Soup Fascist
April 08 2013, 11:03PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

If you’re referring to me suggesting the players tank then your way off.

I only suggested that it would be in there best interest, of course I don’t condone it or suggest the players who are competitive by nature to stop competing.

However, if the Oilers lose I won’t be upset.

No. I realize you did not use the word "tank". That word was brought up elsewhere. I agree picking earlier gives you a better chance for a good player. However, the fact is at some point, if an organization wants to be taken seriously, losing cannot be tolerated. Not by the owner, not by management, not by the coaches, not by the players and not by the fans.

I am tired of it, frankly.

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#129 Dog Train
April 08 2013, 11:05PM
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Tough to generate offense when you are chasing the puck all night. We are pretty good with the puck but there is not a single team in this league that is worse than us without it.

It was fun while it lasted but the bubble has really burst. Three straight losses in which we were really outclassed by teams in our new division next season.

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#130 Alsker
April 08 2013, 11:12PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

It's in the NHL rulebook. Rule 30.1 g:

"Players released, traded, bought out or otherwise exiled by the Edmonton Oilers shall, no matter how marginal in talent or late in their career, score against their former team. Further, should the players in question not have scored in dozens of NHL games prior to said game versus the Oilers, they are obligated to score multiple points."

So it is written. So it shall be.

What the hell, I thought that was amended in the new CBA, damn. Oh wait, Dvorak didnt get 3 points, see they did amend it, lol

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#131 Alsker
April 08 2013, 11:16PM
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@NewAgeSys

PS..I thought we all agreed couple years back not to mention Rule 30.1 g as we had hoped it would be forgotten and thusly "accidently" removed from the book.

Damn, should read to :theSoup Facist

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#132 Walter Sobchak
April 08 2013, 11:21PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

No. I realize you did not use the word "tank". That word was brought up elsewhere. I agree picking earlier gives you a better chance for a good player. However, the fact is at some point, if an organization wants to be taken seriously, losing cannot be tolerated. Not by the owner, not by management, not by the coaches, not by the players and not by the fans.

I am tired of it, frankly.

I guess you just put it into better words then me; after being jaded for so long, somehow, I duped myself into believing that the management would do something to strengthen the team for a legit playoff push.

The fact is everyone around the Oiler's pushing for a playoff spot improved while the Oilers stood by and did nothing, and then tried to tell us that upsetting the chemistry was counterproductive.

People bought that crap!

Now were left to hope they don’t mess a vital pick.

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#133 Alsker
April 08 2013, 11:35PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I guess you just put it into better words then me; after being jaded for so long, somehow, I duped myself into believing that the management would do something to strengthen the team for a legit playoff push.

The fact is everyone around the Oiler's pushing for a playoff spot improved while the Oilers stood by and did nothing, and then tried to tell us that upsetting the chemistry was counterproductive.

People bought that crap!

Now were left to hope they don’t mess a vital pick.

A vital pick yes, but as importantly who are they replacing those that walk away and those that need to be disposed of with? Lets hope SM takes care of the pick and the three headed mgt. monster finds the right players.

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#134 DSF
April 08 2013, 11:36PM
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Oh well.

There's always next year.

Or the year after that.

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#135 Alsker
April 08 2013, 11:43PM
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DSF wrote:

Oh well.

There's always next year.

Or the year after that.

Good thing Ive definitely had far too many of these cold golden thirst quenchers to bother(or able to)to insult,slam,defame, or belittle you. This sucks.

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#136 Romanus
April 08 2013, 11:43PM
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I think I heard Rita McNeil singing.....

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#137 VK63
April 08 2013, 11:45PM
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DSF wrote:

Oh well.

There's always next year.

Or the year after that.

Yup.

Oilchange will have a longer run life than MASH.

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#138 The Soup Fascist
April 08 2013, 11:46PM
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DSF wrote:

Oh well.

There's always next year.

Or the year after that.

You are correct.

A more prudent strategy is, over an 18 month period, to at one point or another pick 80% of the teams in the league to be potential champions. Then pat yourself on the back when you are "right".

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#139 C4S
April 08 2013, 11:47PM
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Stick a fork in the Oil they are done

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#140 bazmagoo
April 08 2013, 11:47PM
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Management won't get the boot until the Oil start losing money. According to this site - http://www.thehockeyfanatic.com/2012/01/nhl-team-worth-2011-2012/ the Oilers made 17.3 million dollars last season.

One reason for this is Hall, Nuge, Eberle and now Schultz and Yakupov only make about a million per season on their entry level deals. Isn't it funny to think that Horcoff's salary this season is actually more than all 5 of those kids put together, lol, well funny if you kind of want to punch a wall after realizing it. I'm not 100% sure about the amounts, it depends on how much of their entry level "bonus" money they achieve but I think that's fairly accurate.

But I'm not here to complain about our captain, it's not his fault the team isn't competitive enough it's management's. Next season will see Hall and Eberle go up to $12 million total between the 2 of them, following season it will go up to around $21 - $24 million for 4 salaries, when you add RNH and Schultz to the mix.

That's when the pressure will start building to make the playoffs. Because sadly it's obviously not there now.

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#141 bazmagoo
April 08 2013, 11:49PM
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Does anyone know if it's possible to use a compliance buyout to buyout Horcoff's contract then resign him to a lower amount? Just curious.

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#142 DSF
April 08 2013, 11:50PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

You are correct.

A more prudent strategy is, over an 18 month period, to at one point or another pick 80% of the teams in the league to be potential champions. Then pat yourself on the back when you are "right".

No.

All you have to do is be smart enough to look at the moves made by good GM's and assess the chances of those moves succeeding.

I'm guessing that is beyond your pay grade.

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#143 DSF
April 08 2013, 11:52PM
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Does anyone know if it's possible to use a compliance buyout to buyout Horcoff's contract then resign him to a lower amount? Just curious.

No.

You can't re-sign a player that is bought out.

And why would you want to re-sign Horcoff?

He's about to turn 35.

It's all downhill from here.

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#144 Walter Sobchak
April 08 2013, 11:53PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Does anyone know if it's possible to use a compliance buyout to buyout Horcoff's contract then resign him to a lower amount? Just curious.

No, if you buy him out he cannot sign with said team for a period of one year.

Trade him to another team with an equally bad contract then both teams buyout the contracts.

that's a loop hole.

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#145 DSF
April 08 2013, 11:54PM
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Alsker wrote:

Good thing Ive definitely had far too many of these cold golden thirst quenchers to bother(or able to)to insult,slam,defame, or belittle you. This sucks.

Cheers!

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#146 Taylor Gang
April 08 2013, 11:55PM
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Trade the kids so we can get Jones!

No I'm kidding. I feel we have the pieces, save maybe one more top 4 NHL defenseman to fill the void that Potter creates and a Bernier-like goalie to hold down the fort if Duby gets injured. Now it's a matter of the attitude change and a changing of the guard to season the kids. It's almost set in stone that Hall will be our new captain, but is everyone else willing to step their game up?

P.S. yes, I'm fully aware there is some bias here, but it's true, he truly is our hardest working skilled player.

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#147 Taylor Gang
April 08 2013, 11:57PM
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DSF wrote:

No.

You can't re-sign a player that is bought out.

And why would you want to re-sign Horcoff?

He's about to turn 35.

It's all downhill from here.

You could actually be right on that. That being said, our team is indirectly better with Horcoff because players want to win the game for him.

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#148 bazmagoo
April 08 2013, 11:58PM
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@Walter Sobchak

Personally I think if you could trade Horcoff for a bad contract with both contracts being bought out, then resign him for around $2 million/season I'd be all over that as he's a decent 3rd/4th line centre and he's our captain.

If you can't exploit any loop holes like that then it's time to let the guy go. Can't have that much money tied up in cap space in salary going to a mediocre third line centre/above average 4th line centre. I don't dislike the guy, but sports are competitive and if the Oilers want to step up to the playoffs they have to get rid of some dead weight.

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#149 DSF
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Taylor Gang wrote:

You could actually be right on that. That being said, our team is indirectly better with Horcoff because players want to win the game for him.

Except they don't win.

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#150 Walter Sobchak
April 09 2013, 12:07AM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Personally I think if you could trade Horcoff for a bad contract with both contracts being bought out, then resign him for around $2 million/season I'd be all over that as he's a decent 3rd/4th line centre and he's our captain.

If you can't exploit any loop holes like that then it's time to let the guy go. Can't have that much money tied up in cap space in salary going to a mediocre third line centre/above average 4th line centre. I don't dislike the guy, but sports are competitive and if the Oilers want to step up to the playoffs they have to get rid of some dead weight.

There are teams I'm sure willing to do this, however,I have lost complete faith the Oiler's management team would consider this as an option.

I got to tell you, I'm pretty jaded right now, probably not the best fan to post about the Oiler's right now.

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