The importance of draft picks – right now

Jonathan Willis
April 08 2013 10:36AM

‘Building through the draft’ has been the Oilers’ mantra for several seasons now, and they’ve accumulated some top-end talent in the number one spot. With Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Nail Yakupov and a host of other young talents on the team, has the importance of draft picks to the organization diminished?

Probably not, and if it has, it should not have.

There’s Something About Draft Picks

The thing about draft picks is this: their salary is rigidly controlled, initially through an entry-level contract, later by virtue of them being restricted free agents. That’s one of the things that makes them valuable: in most cases they are underpaid relative to unrestricted free agents. There are some exceptions – the difference between running an entry-level guy on the fourth line and a fourth-liner on the fourth line doesn’t typically add up to much dollars-wise unless the general manager has splurged on his role players – but for the most part it’s cheaper to run a young player whenever that player has shown ability to handle the role.

The other thing about draft picks is the timeline. When making selections, especially outside the first round, one is typically projecting five years into the future. This season represents Teemu Hartikainen’s fifth post-draft season; next year will be the fifth post-draft year for Magnus Paajarvi and Anton Lander – and while both of the latter players were rushed into NHL employment, they’re really only coming into their own now. Teams can say, ‘what do we need right now?’ and try and draft it, but since they’re looking five years into the future such an approach is fraught with difficulty.

That combination of artificially capped salary and delayed timeline makes the 2010-2013 drafts pivotal ones for the Oilers.

The Oilers’ Salary Structure

To date, the salary cap hasn’t been a real problem for the Oilers; all of their top talent has been playing on entry-level deals. That stops next season, when Jordan Eberle and Taylor Hall graduate to being $6 million/year players. Sam Gagner’s contract also ends in the summer, leaving the Oilers in an interesting situation with him – do they pay the player or ship him out?

And the money only gets worse moving forward. The entry-level contracts of Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Justin Schultz expire in the summer of 2014; Jeff Petry’s extremely friendly two-year bridge deal ends at the same time, and Devan Dubnyk will be an unrestricted free agent. Nail Yakupov’s deal ends the year after. If all goes as planned, the team will have some playoff success by then; it seems likely they’ll be augmenting their young core with, say, a veteran left-side defenceman somewhere along the way.

The point is this: come 2014-15, the Oilers could really use some affordable help. Assuming management has put together a winning team, they’re going to need affordable help from that point on.

Constant Pressure

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The Oilers need to be able to produce a good, cheap, player or two out of every draft to help alleviate salary cap pressures elsewhere (to say nothing of the fact that, like many contending teams, they may well need the trade bait to add rentals and address areas of need). They’re likely to get two out of the 2009 group, though three other guys still have their hats in the ring. The 2010 draft, with the exception of Martin Marincin, looks underwhelming (though there’s still time). The 2011 group will likely add players on defence, though the forwards picked look weak.

Good teams that stay strong have constant pressure in the system. Every year, there need to be players on the farm pushing for NHL employment, and graduating players from the junior ranks pushing the prospects on the farm for their spots in the minors. Every spot on the 50-man contract list should be a tough decision. Teams are criticized for losing good players cheaply and rightly so, but in some ways that’s almost a good sign; San Jose lost Miikka Kiprusoff because they had so many good goalie prospects and only so much space, while Detroit lost Kyle Quincey on waivers because they simply didn’t value him the way they did other defenders on the roster and they couldn’t stash him any longer. (Kiprusoff's a good example - while Calgary clearly won the trade, San Jose added a second round pick for a guy they had no room for; that second round pick became Marc-Edouard Vlasic.)

There is a reason first round picks have become such a premium commodity at the deadline – the days when teams like the Red Wings could trade all their draft picks and live on the free agent market are gone. Every team needs affordable options, which means every team needs good prospects coming out of the draft every year. The draft picks made after the team has finished tanking are going to be almost as important to its success as the picks made in the bad years; teams that do the former well and the latter poorly end up looking like Atlanta.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 Fresh Mess
April 08 2013, 02:07PM
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Oilers management absolutely blew it(again) at the trade deadline. As usual, they took the easy route, which is to do nothing.

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#52 Oiler Al
April 08 2013, 02:42PM
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Beyond the top 15 players , the draft if a total crap shoot.. Oilers due for a break ala: Pikka Rennie in the 8 th round.

I know there are others [ Datsyuk] but this one stands out.

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#53 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 08 2013, 03:08PM
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Hayek wrote:

So wait, a non playoff team such as Edmonton has actually given up valuable assets (such as a 3rd and a 4th rounder) for poor rentals such as Fistric and Smithson?

There was an opportunity cost (4th rounder) trading for a goon that could be picked up on waivers?

Yeaaa! Hayek's back!!!

Ringette Anybody????

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#54 Jasmine
April 08 2013, 03:10PM
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@madjam

The lottery is just for the first round.

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#55 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 08 2013, 03:11PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

What is understated is that the only option it seems for the Oilers to acquire talent.......is through the draft, and waiting for player to fall out of the sky.

If we do not start drafting more effectively, we will never acquire proper bottom six talent. Outside of Eberle (22nd overall) if we do not have the very top pick, we seem to draft all the wrong players. Magnificient Stu need to pull a few rabbits out of the proverbial hat.......and do it in the second round.

Expecting Tamby to actually pull off a meaningful trade is dellusional.

Yeaaa!!! Lama's back!!!

Players falling out of sky and popping out of hats....GOOD!!

Thumbellini....BAD!!!

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#56 Jasmine
April 08 2013, 03:14PM
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Thinker wrote:

This is exactly the reason I wanted to deal all the vets we could at the deadline. More picks allow us to find some of these cheap options, or we can use the picks as assets in future deals when we want to make a push in the postseason.

This comment proves that Oilers fans have no interest whatsoever in playoffs. They're always more interested in draft picks. Oilers fans hate the playoffs but love draft picks.

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#57 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 08 2013, 03:29PM
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Will wrote:

So, what are we picking up with our first pick? Say we are drafting somewhere around 12th. Are we going to take a power forward LW to play in our top six? Do we finally nab a larger centre like Gauthier and hope he can take over at number 2 in a few years? Or do we still need to draft some top defensive prospects like another Klefbomb?

Putting Gauthier aside for a minute.....I think what will be interesting is if the Oil are picking 12 or later and they have to decide between a big/tough/skilled winger like an Anthony Mantha 6'4", an Adam Erne 6'1", a Kirby Rychel 6'1", a Bo Horvat who plays center and wing or a medium sized skilled center like Curtis Lazar 5'11"....

Craig Buttons April rankings are out at TSN.

Making things even tougher, Max Domi is now at 10th overall...but he's only 5'9"...

Curtis Lazar has dropped down even further, now at 28th overall.

Then we get back to Guathier a center at 6'5" 210lbs ranked at 22. And Alex Wennberg a center out of Sweden at 6'1" 174 who is ranked at 13. Would the Oilers pass on Wennberg and reach for Gauthier?

Last but not least, it the Oilers tanked the rest of the way, and finished in 24th place, Button currently has Sean Monahan 6'2" 186 lbs ranked 7th overall.

What would you like to see???

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#58 DieHard
April 08 2013, 03:34PM
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Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty) wrote:

Putting Gauthier aside for a minute.....I think what will be interesting is if the Oil are picking 12 or later and they have to decide between a big/tough/skilled winger like an Anthony Mantha 6'4", an Adam Erne 6'1", a Kirby Rychel 6'1", a Bo Horvat who plays center and wing or a medium sized skilled center like Curtis Lazar 5'11"....

Craig Buttons April rankings are out at TSN.

Making things even tougher, Max Domi is now at 10th overall...but he's only 5'9"...

Curtis Lazar has dropped down even further, now at 28th overall.

Then we get back to Guathier a center at 6'5" 210lbs ranked at 22. And Alex Wennberg a center out of Sweden at 6'1" 174 who is ranked at 13. Would the Oilers pass on Wennberg and reach for Gauthier?

Last but not least, it the Oilers tanked the rest of the way, and finished in 24th place, Button currently has Sean Monahan 6'2" 186 lbs ranked 7th overall.

What would you like to see???

A big skilled center. 2 maybe.

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#59 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 08 2013, 03:36PM
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Fresh Mess wrote:

Oilers management absolutely blew it(again) at the trade deadline. As usual, they took the easy route, which is to do nothing.

Agreed. I would have prefered them to move the vets at the deadline (if the deals were there), or, made a move or two to REALLY improve the team for the playoff push. This idea they floated out there that "standing pat" sent a message to the room that they had faith in the boys just doesn't sit well with me.

The only thing worse would be if they doubled down and did little or nothing in the offseason. If this happens, I will buy Rama Lama a beer and sing his praises.

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#60 RexLibris
April 08 2013, 03:40PM
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@Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)

Monahan.

Barring that, Mantha and Gauthier appear intriguing.

The 2013 draft represents something of a turning point in this rebuilding process. Much of the better forward talent in the prospect pool has been taken out and there is a real need to restock it this year. Those two 2nd round picks are probably going to be spent on a goaltender and a forward, but the Oilers would have been best served by sending out at least one UFA body for a pick this year.

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#61 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 08 2013, 03:46PM
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DieHard wrote:

A big skilled center. 2 maybe.

Funny you should say that because Oilers will almost certainly be able to get Gauthier 6'5" 210 lbs and now that Lazar is slipping down the rankings...there is a real chance that the Oilers could make a move at the draft to secure a bottom first round pick (give up Hemmer) and grab Lazar at 28th.

Or could give up there first overall (at 10 or 11 or wherever they end up ) for 2 later first round picks...in the 20 to 30 range and end up taking Gauthier at 20th or so and Lazar at 28th.....

That for me would be close to ideal.

Gotta go see where Columbus and Calgary have there first rounders.

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#62 Smokey
April 08 2013, 03:47PM
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Jasmine wrote:

This comment proves that Oilers fans have no interest whatsoever in playoffs. They're always more interested in draft picks. Oilers fans hate the playoffs but love draft picks.

Not true. Whitney's not helping you make the playoffs with his inconsistent play. Jones was expendable with Hartski waiting in the wings. And the way Hemsky's playing you could argue less is more, and the Oilers probably won't miss him with his lack of effort and inconsistent play.

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#63 Old Retired Guy (A.K.A. Die-Nasty)
April 08 2013, 03:49PM
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@RexLibris

I agree with all of that.

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#64 Supernova
April 08 2013, 04:00PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

I may be absolutely dreaming about Barkov unless the Oilers tank or can make a move to move up a few spots in the draft .... Good Luck with that. Monahan is a nice looking player, though not flashy by any means.

I know Shinkaruk from Medicine Hat is ranked higher than Lazar (at mid-season anyway) but based on the 1st two games in Edmonton, Lazar looks much more suited to be effective at the next level.

Certainly Lazar has a stronger cast than Shinkaruk, but he seems to be involved in the play and initiating more than his counterpart to the south. Shinkaruk is slippery, but I like Lazar if I am picking a player to play in the NHL.

Soup Fascist,

We seem to be agreeing on a lot lately.

I have seen Shinkaruk a lot over 3 years, he has exceptional hands and is a good skater, but to me he is a Versteeg, a hemsky or a Pat Kane ( light) and well these players are talented, this is not what the oil need.

They need the Dustin Brown, D Backes, M Richards mentality, the win at all costs type of players. Lazar might not be as talented or as big but has that mentality.

To my eye I take Lazar over Shinkaruk every day for the oilers, but in pure skill Shinkaruk probably outweighs Lazar.

I believe the Oilers depending on draft position wish should be.

Barkov Monahan, Lazar Mantha ( I think he slips in there if Lazar is gone and the oil draft 14 th or around) based on size alone

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#65 Dog Train
April 08 2013, 04:13PM
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We have 3 picks in the first 2 rounds and none in the 3rd or 4th so we need to make our first 3 count. I am still fine with not moving Whitney but after the acquisition of Smithson, I would not have minded moving Jones for a pick. I would have taken any pick for Khabby as well.

As far as Hemsky goes, he is both expendable and potentially valuable as part of a package. I would not have traded him at the deadline but I think we need to strike up a package centered around him.

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#66 Smokey
April 08 2013, 04:14PM
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Smokey wrote:

Not true. Whitney's not helping you make the playoffs with his inconsistent play. Jones was expendable with Hartski waiting in the wings. And the way Hemsky's playing you could argue less is more, and the Oilers probably won't miss him with his lack of effort and inconsistent play.

The Lames could conceivably draft McKinnon and Lazar, and top 4 defenseman this year and be in good shape going forward.

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#67 madjam
April 08 2013, 04:25PM
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If our draft order is above 10 then maybe we should look seriously at trading pick away for a good player such as Weber , Vanek , Bernier , etc..

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#68 GVBlackhawk
April 08 2013, 04:28PM
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@Supernova

Don't overlook Bo Horvat of the London Knights. He is a good prospect in the same range. Exactly the kind of player that you are describing.

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#69 Supernova
April 08 2013, 04:32PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

Don't overlook Bo Horvat of the London Knights. He is a good prospect in the same range. Exactly the kind of player that you are describing.

Does he play C and what is his size?

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#70 Walter Sobchak
April 08 2013, 04:53PM
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RexLibris wrote:

Monahan.

Barring that, Mantha and Gauthier appear intriguing.

The 2013 draft represents something of a turning point in this rebuilding process. Much of the better forward talent in the prospect pool has been taken out and there is a real need to restock it this year. Those two 2nd round picks are probably going to be spent on a goaltender and a forward, but the Oilers would have been best served by sending out at least one UFA body for a pick this year.

I agree with Monahan except!

I do think Nichushkin falls, just a gut feeling and nothing to back this up with except I think fear of drafting him.

Having said that its in the Oilers best intrest to move up and take Barkov, two teams that might move there pick is the Hurricane and the Flyers, Barkov might just fall to 6th.

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#71 Walter Sobchak
April 08 2013, 05:00PM
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Supernova wrote:

Does he play C and what is his size?

I get to watch a tone of OHL, by no means does that make me an expert, but I can offer some insight.

Bo Horvat is average to big, 6'0 to 6'1 and 200 lbs.

He play's huge, he is a freak of nature in the face off circle a pure prodigy at that, I think his face off % at one time was in the 80% range.

This guy is a Horcoff replacement, plays huge, will fight, throws big hits and can play any forward position, is already a great two way player.

Looking at the OHL, The Oilers would also be wise to look strongly at Rychel.

He's a LW (big need for Oilers) will fight, hit, and very skilled has very good hands.

The Oilers need another first round pick.

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#72 Walter Sobchak
April 08 2013, 05:05PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Beyond the top 15 players , the draft if a total crap shoot.. Oilers due for a break ala: Pikka Rennie in the 8 th round.

I know there are others [ Datsyuk] but this one stands out.

Normally I would agree with this.

Not this year, the top 20 look to be NHL players, the top ten are almost a sure bet to play.

Lazar ranked as high as top ten, he's had a good year yet has been pushed out of the top 20.

That's a good indication of a how strong this draft is, with today's scouting and information on players, very few busts are out there, those kids get pushed back really quick.

Top 15 should yield a few good NHLers

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#73 Sliderule
April 08 2013, 06:13PM
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The oilers need a center.

Wennberg played well at WJC and put up good points in same league as Forsberg.With a sept 22 birth date he is almost a year younger than some of the players in draft.

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#74 Walter Sobchak
April 08 2013, 06:25PM
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Sliderule wrote:

The oilers need a center.

Wennberg played well at WJC and put up good points in same league as Forsberg.With a sept 22 birth date he is almost a year younger than some of the players in draft.

Nichushkin & Barkov also just turned 18.

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#75 Citizen David
April 08 2013, 07:19PM
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There is no chance of getting Lazar at 28. He'll be in the 11-15 range. Gauthier's offense scares me. I wouldn't touch him until the late twenties. Lazar and Rychel are the two players the Oilers should target

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#76 Kevin
April 08 2013, 07:57PM
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Bicepus Maximus - Peter, The Great. Potter, the Goat. wrote:

Oilers draft picks from 2009, excluding last year:
(Bolded are guys that have established themselves already).

2009
MPS - Prior to this season, I wasn't sure about this
Lander
Hesketh
Abney
Bigos
Rajala
Roy

2010
Hall
Pitlick
Marincin
Hamilton
Martindale
Blain
Bunz
Davidson
Czerwonka
Pelss
K. Jones

2011
RNH
Klefbom
Musil
Perhonen
Ewanyk
Simpson
Gernat
Tuohimaa

Definite help on the way:
(Not looking at stats. Based on media and Oilers' and Barons' staff comments).

Centers:
Lander

Left Wings:
Hartikainen - edited (drafted in 2008)

Defense:
Teubert - edited (not drafted by Oiers)
Fedun - edited (not drafted by Oilers and not sure where his ceiling is though)
Klefbom

Possible help on the way:

Right Wings:
Pitlick

Left Wings:
Pelss

Defense:
Marincin
Musil

Conclusion

I'd consider defense to be a success if the possibility of 3 drafted defensemen maturing in the next couple of years exists.

Regarding the forwards: We have to acknowledge the fact that 3 of them have already made it. But because of that, it looks thin.

great read and if that was a report card on the oil management it would spell FAIL in all counts. 1st over all picks mean you were a last place team. As well a cast of other picks that are not panning out at all. Time for Katz to clean house. Numbers don't lie. On all account this organization belongs in the toilet ! Look at Montreal and Ottawa, both spent one season bottom finishers and then bolt to the top. This bs they are trying to feed us about patience is a load of hog wash. We have a cap world now and a level playing field we simply do not have a management team to guide us.

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#77 Supernova
April 08 2013, 09:53PM
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@Walter Sobchak

Interesting sounds like the exact type of player they need.

I think going forward in the oilers 13 or 14 forwards they need a minimum of 5 Centers. Force one to play out of position but when a injury occurs mid game they have a steady hand to take face offs.

I would prefer a everyday Center in junior be drafted but they need guys that go through the wall.

Also Lazars stock will rise no doubt in the playoffs even if he is ranked in the 20's. year after year the players that play the longest always go up. I really like Buttons work but Mckenzie is the gold standard, button's list is more of a NFL draft "big board" and is purely projected best players a few years out, while Mckenzie's is more needs based indicative of what scouts say.

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#78 Walter Sobchak
April 08 2013, 10:31PM
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Supernova wrote:

Interesting sounds like the exact type of player they need.

I think going forward in the oilers 13 or 14 forwards they need a minimum of 5 Centers. Force one to play out of position but when a injury occurs mid game they have a steady hand to take face offs.

I would prefer a everyday Center in junior be drafted but they need guys that go through the wall.

Also Lazars stock will rise no doubt in the playoffs even if he is ranked in the 20's. year after year the players that play the longest always go up. I really like Buttons work but Mckenzie is the gold standard, button's list is more of a NFL draft "big board" and is purely projected best players a few years out, while Mckenzie's is more needs based indicative of what scouts say.

Agreed with Horvat, however getting to watch the Oil Kings game's there is a couple issues with Lazar.

1) he is not really a center, he plays RW almost always.

2) He is not all that physical; he can play it that way but prefers to do more rubbing, he also doesnt go after the big guys he targets the smaller guys.

He's not as good as the other players in the top 15, not even close.

The Oilers need a big skilled LW, and a big skilled center.

Lazar not only would not be BPA at the time of the draft but he's a RW actually.

The Oiler's can draft Lazar, but only if they get an additional draft pick, even then I would go with Horvat or Rychel as they are both better and fit a need. The good thing is you will be able to see them all in the memorial cup soon.

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#79 Woogie63
April 08 2013, 11:34PM
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Lots of review on what the amateur scouts have added or potenital will add. It would be interesting to see what the pro scouts have added or potentially will add.

We need complimentary pro NHLer now to help all the talent we have drafted.

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#80 Citizen David
April 09 2013, 07:14AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Agreed with Horvat, however getting to watch the Oil Kings game's there is a couple issues with Lazar.

1) he is not really a center, he plays RW almost always.

2) He is not all that physical; he can play it that way but prefers to do more rubbing, he also doesnt go after the big guys he targets the smaller guys.

He's not as good as the other players in the top 15, not even close.

The Oilers need a big skilled LW, and a big skilled center.

Lazar not only would not be BPA at the time of the draft but he's a RW actually.

The Oiler's can draft Lazar, but only if they get an additional draft pick, even then I would go with Horvat or Rychel as they are both better and fit a need. The good thing is you will be able to see them all in the memorial cup soon.

I'm not sure if you've been watching the same Lazar that I have. I have to respectfully disagree.

There have been a few periods of time when he's been moved over to the wing but the majority of the time he is a center. He takes most of the draws. And when Samuelson takes a draw Lazar still plays the center position.

Lazar hits everything that moves. One of the games this year he had five big hits in just the first period. He is known as being a tough customer. He fought Rychel In the top prospects game. He also is the guy who stands in front of the net on power plays and has to take all the abuse for standing there.

38 goals is nothing to scoff at offensively. Lazar has a hard shot and can play the pretty game or the dump and chase grinding game.

He is solid defensively. He is one of the players that you can see his effort is the same in the defensive zone as in the offensive zone. When his team turns the puck over he gets on his horse and makes sure he's in position defensively. Is a regular on the penalty kill.

Good speed, very quick.

Lazar will be taken in the 11-15 range of the draft.

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#81 Citizen David
April 09 2013, 07:16AM
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If nothing else, the one thing that Lazar definately is is tough. He is not a soft player.

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#82 Supernova
April 09 2013, 01:17PM
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Citizen David wrote:

I'm not sure if you've been watching the same Lazar that I have. I have to respectfully disagree.

There have been a few periods of time when he's been moved over to the wing but the majority of the time he is a center. He takes most of the draws. And when Samuelson takes a draw Lazar still plays the center position.

Lazar hits everything that moves. One of the games this year he had five big hits in just the first period. He is known as being a tough customer. He fought Rychel In the top prospects game. He also is the guy who stands in front of the net on power plays and has to take all the abuse for standing there.

38 goals is nothing to scoff at offensively. Lazar has a hard shot and can play the pretty game or the dump and chase grinding game.

He is solid defensively. He is one of the players that you can see his effort is the same in the defensive zone as in the offensive zone. When his team turns the puck over he gets on his horse and makes sure he's in position defensively. Is a regular on the penalty kill.

Good speed, very quick.

Lazar will be taken in the 11-15 range of the draft.

Shows you how hard scouting is, and this is a top 30 player. Top 20 of North Americans.

We blast tambellini for moving a 4th rounder for Smithson for 13 games and maybe another contract.

Not saying that was the right move but 13 games is more than most 4th 's will ever play.

Love the draft but it is such a crapshoot.

Honestly I have heard both descriptions of Lazar, the question is which will he be at the NHL.

You have to know the Oil have scouted him thoroughly as he is right here and his current GM basically is a scout for the oilers.

His draft stock will rise.

Bo seems really interesting, Kerby seems more of a risk, as it seems the scouts are all over the map on him. Some say top 15 a few others say late 2. That is a big range on a NHL bloodline child.

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#83 Citizen David
April 09 2013, 06:15PM
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Supernova wrote:

Shows you how hard scouting is, and this is a top 30 player. Top 20 of North Americans.

We blast tambellini for moving a 4th rounder for Smithson for 13 games and maybe another contract.

Not saying that was the right move but 13 games is more than most 4th 's will ever play.

Love the draft but it is such a crapshoot.

Honestly I have heard both descriptions of Lazar, the question is which will he be at the NHL.

You have to know the Oil have scouted him thoroughly as he is right here and his current GM basically is a scout for the oilers.

His draft stock will rise.

Bo seems really interesting, Kerby seems more of a risk, as it seems the scouts are all over the map on him. Some say top 15 a few others say late 2. That is a big range on a NHL bloodline child.

Kerby Rychel should be about as much of a lock for top six power forward as they get. Started the season number 10 on Bob Mackenzie's list. All he did this year was put up more points than the year before on a worse spitfire team. Back to back 40 goal seasons. Over a point per game in each. 8th in the OHL in points this year. Good size and loves to play the physical game. If the Oilers take him I'll be extremely pleased.

I cannot see any scenario in which Lazar drops lower than 18th. My guess is anywhere from 11-15. Probably 14th.

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#84 The Worrier
April 20 2013, 01:56PM
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How much of a mistake was it not to move Whitney at the deadline and missing out on a draft pick?

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