Why it seems unlikely that the Nashville Predators would trade Shea Weber

Jonathan Willis
May 01 2013 08:55AM

It’s (an understandable) dream of Oilers fans to see Shea Weber traded to Edmonton. Not only is he from Western Canada, big, strong and capable, but he’d fill the #1 defenceman hole that Edmonton has had since Chris Pronger left town.

Those dreams seem destined to go unfulfilled.

Get Used To Disappointment

Why would Nashville trade one of the league’s precious few franchise defenders? The answer always seems to be “they’re a small market club and they can’t afford him.” By their actions, though, it seems clear that the Predators have decided they can’t afford not to pay him.

The Economics of a Trade

Shea Weber signed his current contract – via a Philadelphia Flyers offer sheet – on July 19, 2012, forcing the Predators to either match and hang on to Weber for at least a year, or decline to match and accept four first-round picks in exchange for Weber’s services. The Flyers made it as difficult as possible for Nashville by structuring the contract to be extremely front-loaded.

No NHL player made more money in 2012-13 than Weber. More than that, Weber’s contract is structured to be heavily bonus-intensive – featuring a $1 million base salary and a $13 million signing bonus for each of the first four years. The signing bonuses mean that by the time Weber could be traded by the Predators, they will have paid $27 million of the $110 million on his contract – just slightly under one-quarter of his total contract in the first year.

Facing a $110 million decision, one has to think the Predators weighed the cost. None of these ramifications were unknown at the time; the Predators knew what they were getting into matching that offer sheet. If it made sense to sign him then, it’s hard to imagine they’re going to change their mind and move him after having already taken the worst lumps.

Certainly that’s the message general manager David Poile has always emphasized – asked about the possibility of a trade by CBC’s Elliotte Friedman in April, he made no secret as to his view:

We have a franchise goaltender and the best defenceman in the NHL ... We are building our team around them.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: either the Predators made a terrible mistake, Poile’s being disingenuous, and the team plans to try and get a better return than four first round picks after spending $27 million for 48 games or they really have no plans to trade Weber. The latter seems more likely to be reality than the former. None of that means the Oilers shouldn't ask, but it does mean not much is likely to come of it. 

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 The Soup Fascist
May 01 2013, 11:27AM
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merfer wrote:

The answer is not to trade for Weber because that contract would kill our team in time and Nashville would want way to much. The answer is to find the next Shea Weber. I don't have the answer to this but that is what the Oilers should be looking for. Is there even someone remotely close who needs a few more seasons to mature, who could be the next one. Is Erik Gudbranson or Alex Pietrangelo possible choices and could their teams be persuaded to trade with us? Forget Weber and look into the future. I think that's all MacT can do.

Honestly, it is 10 times more likely that you can get Weber than Pietrangelo - and Weber falls into the "slim to none" category. Reason being is AP's youth and the lack of albatross contract that you alluded to.

Would be nice though .....

Gubrandson may have been more in play if Colorado didn't "Tambellini" the Panthers. Now, not so much, I think.

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#52 Jerod
May 01 2013, 11:28AM
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I quite surprised no one is jumping on board with Adam Larsson.

If he was in the draft this year he would be a top 4 pick in my opinion. He would easily be the 2nd best D in the draft.

Unlikely NJ would trade he .

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#53 The Soup Fascist
May 01 2013, 11:37AM
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15w40 wrote:

Weber isn't happening.

Try and move some of the Oilers' assets to get one or both of Shattenkirk and Chris Stewart and maybe throw in Ryan Reaves for good measure as a 3rd/4th line punisher.

This will cost some current roster players from both the forwards and the defense, but these are the types that the Oilers need.

Will the blues be able to keep both Shattenkirk and Pietrangelo? I can't see them parting with the latter. He could be a future captain. That and they have Bouwmeester signed for next year at 6.7 mill.

Based on what I saw from Reeves yesterday, he isn't close to a "throw in".

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#54 Taylor Gang
May 01 2013, 11:39AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

If Gretzky can be traded... the unlikeliest of all hockey deals.

A team like the Predators, is much like the Oilers pre-lockout, hangers on in a small market. Operating near the bottom of the barrel counting heavily on revenue sharing to cover the shortfalls. There's no way they could ever afford to be a cap team. I believe the last 5 yrs they've been in the bottom 3 in the NHL as far as salaries go, consistently 10-13 million per season under the cap. Doesn't exactly scream, we're pushing to be the best. Looks more like, that's good enough for this market to me. The Predators have been building around their blueliner and goaltender, but they'll still be doing the same thing 5 yrs after these guys are retired. Unless the Preds get their hands on a generational type player, success will be difficult near the bottom of the barrel structure ownership is clinging to.

Too much coin tied up in one player. Poile would have to give it a second thought if Edmonton offered Eberle and Gagner to help bolster their top 6. Heck, give them Smid or Nick Shultz along with the first in 2014 as well.

Some trades are just good business transactions that help both hockey teams. I'm hoping.

You said it yourself, too much coin in one player.

Do you have ANY idea how much value these first overall picks will be in their prime? Past first overall forwards in the past 5 years:

Tavares Stamkos Kane Crosby Ovechkin

You tell me that we'll be able to afford 3 with Weber on the books.

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#55 15w40
May 01 2013, 11:43AM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Based on what I saw from Reeves yesterday, he isn't close to a "throw in".

Ya - i know but since we're just sitting here with the pie in the sky, I thought i might as well just "throw him in there too"

It's fun to spitball this stuff, but to make any of these deals happen the pipe dream of keeping #4, #14, #64, and #93 just isn't going to happen.

All of these players being thrown around don't get traded for 2nd line players and spare parts..

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#56 DonDon
May 01 2013, 11:53AM
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If Quicksilver is a solid Oilers' fan, I understand his disappointment and anger. Many of us feel the same disappointment in the utter incompetence of the senior management in hockey ops. Perhaps this will change with MacTavish, our only hope.

As nice, but impractical, as it would be to acquire Weber, in actuality defence isn't the Oilers' biggest problem. It is at forward.

As we get reacquainted with the increased speed, intensity and physicality of SC playoffs, can any of us imagine what would have happened if the Oilers made the playoffs this season? Most of the forwards would have been either wiped out physically or been inconsequential in the first round. The inconsequential would include veterans Belanger, Brown, Hofcoff, Jones, Smithson and Smyth.

MacTavish maybe impatient, but he has a real mess to clean up before the Oilers can compete for the SC. Whether we like it or not, the rebuild will continue (under whatever name management cares to call it).

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#57 The Beaker
May 01 2013, 11:55AM
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I absolutely think STL has to be a primary trade target. They wont be in our division anymore which is basically like being out of conference now. We have stuff they could use (offense and the ability to be flexible with our cap for now) and they have stuff we could use (defense with massive upside that would fit into our talent cluster).

I dont know what the pieces are/could be going eithe way but Shattenkirk/Stewart have to be at the top of the list for what we would want.

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#58 The Beaker
May 01 2013, 12:04PM
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@DonDon

Yes our forwards would get leaned on and that is a problem. A big problem, not as big as our defense is though. the entire game starts from the backend out and we currently employ 3-4 NHL defensemen. Smid, Petry, Justin Schultz and maybe, maybe Nick Schultz. Justin has the potential to be able to pair up with a #1 guy, I have 0 issue with Smid and Petry being the 3-4 pairing. Nick going forward is like a 6 who will be fading into a 7 eventually.

We have top end forwards (if unbalanced) we do not have top end defense at this point in time.

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#59 DSF
May 01 2013, 12:05PM
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Ducey wrote:

Oh no! I better start cheering for another random team!

How about say, the Canucks? They gave up a whole 13 goals less than the Oilers. They are so much better with their #1 Dman. Who is that again?

Maybe Columbus. DSF says they are good. Oh, wait, they didn't make the playoffs. Maybe we can get their GM though.

Nashville then? They have the best Dman in history and a brilliant GM. Wait, but they finished behind Edmonton and gave up more goals. Rats.

Oh Minni. Thats right. They have the other best Dman in history and gave up so many fewer goals than the Oilers. Whats that? Yeah, 7 fewer goals.

No way the Oilers could ever improve by 7 goals against.

THEY ARE DOOMED!

1) 13 goals over an 82 game season is about 22 goals...the difference between good and bad. And remember the Canucks fielded an AHL team in the final game allowing the Oilers to pad their stats.

2) Dan Hamhuis...one of the best defensive defensemen in the league who also managed to score 24 points while not getting much PP time.

3) Columbus would be a good bet. Now that their goaltending seems settled, they are absolutely loaded on D and, with 3 first round picks and too many defensemen, have the assets to shore up their forward ranks.

4) Nashville is in a tough spot after the Flyers launched their all out assault but, as you say, they have a brilliant GM and I'd wager they will be back in the playoffs before the Oilers.

5) Minnesota is still a work in progress having turned over 40% of their roster in one offseason but they went from a goal differential of -49 to -5 in one offseason so they certainly appear to be on the right track. When you consider how much depth they have in their prospect pool, its' a good thing the Oilers won't be in their division next season.

Bear in mind that Jonas Brodin is only 19 and already is a better defenseman than any Oiler and that they have Matt Dumba about to make his pro debut.

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#60 Will
May 01 2013, 12:14PM
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The Weber contract is stupid. The Oilers don't need Weber, they need the next Weber. Weber was taken like 47th overall and needed two years of development until he made the jump and likely another year or two before he was one of the best in the NHL.

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#61 Butters
May 01 2013, 12:31PM
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@DSF, regarding Columbus, I think Bobs' 932 save percentage helped a lot.

Although they paid handsomely for him, Minnie received a Norris quality dman without the bother of having to develop him. Parise is not too shabby either. So hence the big turnaround. I would agree, they hit a monster first round homerun with Brodin.

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#62 andrewmk20
May 01 2013, 12:36PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

Very different scenarios. Pocklington was bleeding cash and the team's finances were in deep trouble. The Oilers basically had a fire sale from 88-93 because of his financial instability and eventual bankruptcy. Nashville is different because they are stable economically but just cannot afford to spend to the cap. They're actually better off spending that cash on assets like Weber and then finding economical veterans like Wellwood, Antropov, etc.

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#63 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 12:36PM
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Okay, that Weber thing didn't go over so well.

Can we move onto Shea Weber jr/Erik Gudbranson then?

We might as well fix everything that ails our Oilers in one day.

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#64 DSF
May 01 2013, 12:38PM
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SrCain wrote:

So DSF, when a team is picking first overall for 3 yrs straight, and starting a rebuild, what do you do if the majority of top ranked prospects are forwards in those years. Like they were with oilers?

Well, this actually started before the last 3 years.

Had the Oilers taken Kulikov instead of Paajarvi, they would be a lot farther ahead.

Instead, in the last 5 drafts, they've taken 4 wingers and 1 centre. Getting Klefbom in the Penner trade may help but you have to wonder how his injuries will affect his development.

Considering how the Oilers have drafted, I think it's almost inevitable that at least one of the wunderkids will have to be traded for a top pairing defenseman unless they can get one in free agency.

If they don't, I can't see them going too far.

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#65 GVBlackhawk
May 01 2013, 12:38PM
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Ducey wrote:

You have another year of development for J Schultz, Petry and Smid and get rid of whatever BS system they had last year and they will be fine.

Marincin is 6'5", has decent speed, put up 30 pts in 69 games in OKC and led the team in +/-with a +20 in his rookie year. He is going to be a good player.

Petry, Smid, and the Schultzes are fine in the 3-6 positions. None of them are top pairing guys at this point; they are not prepared to handle the opposition toughs.

Marincin posted some good numbers in the AHL (partially aided by playing with JSchultz in the first half), but that does not tell the whole story. He has some kinks in his defensive game that have to be ironed out before making the jump to NHL.

The Oilers have been rushing prospects to the big club for so long now that many people think this is the norm. The most successful teams let their players develop in the minors for 2-3 years before they bring them up.

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#66 blueorangekoolaid
May 01 2013, 12:42PM
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Would New Jersey be interested in a deal for our pick so that they can sacrifice their pick this year from the Kovalchuk fiasco? Maybe they would work out something like Larsson and their 1st next year for our first this year and another piece? Maybe Hemsky. Then they can burn their pick this year and still draft high. Replace Larsson with this year's pick and have Hemsky. Maybe their 2014 1st could be conditional on number of games played for Hemmer. So it's basically our 1st for Larsson and then Hemsky for a conditional 1st next year plus the freedom to pay their Kovalchuk penalty. Not sure if they had to declare their intention to sacrifice that pick already or do they have until the draft to decide?

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#67 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 12:54PM
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With JD and Jarmo Kekäläinen taking over in Columbus, maybe they're not all that sold on Ryan Murray. A kinder, gentler mini version of Shea Weber?

Kevin Quinn, Louis Debrusk and Jack Micheals along with a third rounder, perhaps? Stauffer could drive them, he's not doing anything now. Would be a few tanks of gas and a lot of twinkies, but that Stauffer guy is willing to say/do anything for the sake of a paycheque it appears.

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#68 madjam
May 01 2013, 12:54PM
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P.K.Subban with a good contract . Secondary for next couple of years that would help is Markov . Subban and Markov seem to have differences .

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#69 Cody anderson
May 01 2013, 01:13PM
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I heard Tyler Myers had an off season. He has the potential to be a Pronger. Could he be pried out of Buffalo?

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#70 DSF
May 01 2013, 01:15PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

With JD and Jarmo Kekäläinen taking over in Columbus, maybe they're not all that sold on Ryan Murray. A kinder, gentler mini version of Shea Weber?

Kevin Quinn, Louis Debrusk and Jack Micheals along with a third rounder, perhaps? Stauffer could drive them, he's not doing anything now. Would be a few tanks of gas and a lot of twinkies, but that Stauffer guy is willing to say/do anything for the sake of a paycheque it appears.

Sorry...saw a recent interview with JD...he is very sold on Murray.

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#71 mayorpoop
May 01 2013, 01:19PM
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the conversation just has to start with "Omark...." and hook line and sinker you got yourself a Weber.*

*trading for Weber is a Kevin Lowe move and just look at our success with those.

#noWeber

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#72 Cody anderson
May 01 2013, 01:25PM
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I don't see Larsson avaiable other then for a massive overy pay. I would jump at a trade that included Hemsky, our 2014 1st rounder and a middling prospect.

What would it take? What would you be willing to give up?

Think about our back end in a couple of years if you didn't have to give up a Dman to get him

Larsson - J Schultz

Smid - Petry

Klefbom - Marincin

Looks like a playoff D-corps to me.

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#73 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 01:26PM
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DSF wrote:

Sorry...saw a recent interview with JD...he is very sold on Murray.

DAMMIT!

I might as well go power rake the bloody lawn. These discussions are going nowhere.

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#74 headmetal
May 01 2013, 01:28PM
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no one has brought up any of the following names?! I think these are more of conversation pieces than Weber: - Yandle - Byfuglien - Green - Hamhuis

All on teams that could use some pieces. Pricey, but we have assets and I agree with Quick that we need to make some drastic moves

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#75 madjam
May 01 2013, 01:34PM
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headmetal wrote:

no one has brought up any of the following names?! I think these are more of conversation pieces than Weber: - Yandle - Byfuglien - Green - Hamhuis

All on teams that could use some pieces. Pricey, but we have assets and I agree with Quick that we need to make some drastic moves

I'll add Bieksa to that list for starters , and would not be surprised to see a deal for J.Bernier or even Luongo either .

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#76 oilerjed
May 01 2013, 01:38PM
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@headmetal

I hate to quote stories that are true speculation but tsn was talking about Winnepeg's need to make some changes and byfuglien's name came up as a possible they would get rid of to get quality back. He would definetly be a good start here on wing or D. Wonder what he would cost?

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#77 Butters
May 01 2013, 01:41PM
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It sounds like the arena deal is going to be quashed next week. This from David Staples whom is always optimistic.

We might not even have a team to complain about. sigh

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#78 Reg Dunlop
May 01 2013, 01:42PM
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@Cody anderson

Consensus seems that a valuable piece like Larson or Weber or Pietrangelo would require a big overpay to obtain. I put Hall and Eberle in this category. Trade one of them to the east(NYR) and demand an overpay that balances the oil skillset(DelZotto, MacDonagh and Stepan). Lets be on the good side of an overpay for once.

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#79 The Real Scuba Steve
May 01 2013, 01:42PM
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GVBlackhawk wrote:

Petry, Smid, and the Schultzes are fine in the 3-6 positions. None of them are top pairing guys at this point; they are not prepared to handle the opposition toughs.

Marincin posted some good numbers in the AHL (partially aided by playing with JSchultz in the first half), but that does not tell the whole story. He has some kinks in his defensive game that have to be ironed out before making the jump to NHL.

The Oilers have been rushing prospects to the big club for so long now that many people think this is the norm. The most successful teams let their players develop in the minors for 2-3 years before they bring them up.

The Oilers are not like other teams nobody wants 10 years of missing the playoffs.

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#80 madjam
May 01 2013, 01:43PM
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Yak Attack wrote:

My issue is that it is very easy to pick first in the first round. Where are all of our early second and third round picks ?

I like 6-2 Anton Slepychev for second round to compliment possible acquisition of V.Nichushkin . Yakupov would probably flourish with those two .

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#81 The Soup Fascist
May 01 2013, 01:51PM
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madjam wrote:

I like 6-2 Anton Slepychev for second round to compliment possible acquisition of V.Nichushkin . Yakupov would probably flourish with those two .

Was Slepyshev not available in last year's draft, or am I thinking of someone else?

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#82 Tikkanese
May 01 2013, 02:10PM
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Cody anderson wrote:

I don't see Larsson avaiable other then for a massive overy pay. I would jump at a trade that included Hemsky, our 2014 1st rounder and a middling prospect.

What would it take? What would you be willing to give up?

Think about our back end in a couple of years if you didn't have to give up a Dman to get him

Larsson - J Schultz

Smid - Petry

Klefbom - Marincin

Looks like a playoff D-corps to me.

So you want us to have the softest D in the history of the NHL?

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#83 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 02:22PM
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The Canucks are over 64 million next season, and only 17 players signed, If Bieksa waved his NT, what would it cost to take both Kevin and Ballard off their hands? Buy out Ballard, this would slice 9 mill of their committed payroll going into next season. Allowing them to fill out their roster.

Our moving Omark dreams aren't dead yet.

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#84 Lochenzo
May 01 2013, 02:22PM
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I'm very interested to see what Florida does. they will lose Stephen Weiss this summer and I think they would be in the market for a skilled centre.

Losing the draft lottery means that they will draft one of MacKinnon or Drouin. Even though they could fill that need with MacKinnon, for some reason I'm thinking Tallon will take Drouin. Tallon really likes skill, and made the right decision with Patrick Kane over Turris and the power forward, JVR.

Gunbranson is top young dog on that blueline. Kulikov would be available and I think MacT should sell the virtues of Sam Gagner as a centre.

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#85 David
May 01 2013, 02:30PM
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@Tikkanese

Larsson would cost probably Eberle. Nj might throw something else in but not much.

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#86 madjam
May 01 2013, 02:32PM
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Due to circumstances will Spezza or Vanek be available ?

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#87 Cody anderson
May 01 2013, 02:35PM
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@Tikkanese

This D looks a hell of a lot better then what we have had the last 5 yrs. Sure it is not the most physical D-corps, but shortest guy is 6'2" lightest in 2 years will likely be J Schultz who will probably get over 200 lbs.

They should all be legit top 4 guys and potentially a few may end up being top 2 dmen.

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#88 Cody anderson
May 01 2013, 02:40PM
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David wrote:

Larsson would cost probably Eberle. Nj might throw something else in but not much.

Do you think we would be stronger as a team if we traded Eberle and Hemsky for a return of Larsson and Zajac?

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#89 madjam
May 01 2013, 02:46PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

Was Slepyshev not available in last year's draft, or am I thinking of someone else?

Your correct because most/all felt he would not come over last year . He's 6-1 and 195 by the way - I stand corrected . Currently slotted at ranking 39 . Maybe same problem with Nicushkin to be honest - risky pick no doubt .

I'll add another pick Oilers by MacT. own admission is 38th ranked Eric Comrie for goal and could be a good second round pick .

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#90 headmetal
May 01 2013, 02:48PM
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build from net out...we need a challenger for backup (Bernier or bought out Lou or pry Khudobin for cheap) then really concentrate on a top level Dman. We have prospects, but need to acquire some Vet talent to teach our kids.

Remember back in our run what Oates and Peca did for the Centers. What Pronger taught our D corp?!? Trading some of the kids may be needed to get the pieces, however I think picks and prospects will be just as well received providing we do not waste other GMs time and make some hockey trades

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#91 Tikkanese
May 01 2013, 02:51PM
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Our D needs a LOT of work. People have to stop sugar coating how "good" our D really is. Let's face facts.

Smid is overrated. Yes, he's great at blocking shots but that's really it other than being ok at the PK. Zero offense. He thinks he's tough but he doesn't scare anybody with that glass jaw of his. He would be a 5-6 D on a good team. He is worth keeping around.

J. Schultz is our Mike Green. Just offense. He's soft, never hits, never blocks shots. When he's on he sure is fun to watch though. Maybe in time he'll add shot blocking to his resume like John Carlson did this year. That would be great.

Petry is a Mac-T non-factor. He kills penalties ok. Does he do anything else? Nope. He's the Petrell of our D. I wouldn't mind him moving along to bring in someone with more elements to their game.

Klefbom, Marincin, Musil, Gernat, etc all need at least two if not 3-4 years in the minors and they are all "maybes" until they make it, so no point hanging your hats on any of them. Klefbom Klefbom Klefbom is all I hear everywhere, the kid's barely played in the last 3 years, what does everyone expect? Prepare to wait on him. If he makes the Oil next season we are in deep trouble.

Nick Schultz? He's just a veteran stop-gap. Works hard, good in the room, serviceable on the ice... nothing special.

Mark Fistric? Probably not used properly while here but I would hope we could improve on him too.

Weber? Most of you underestimate how much of a pipe dream this is. The cost would most certainly include one of the core 4 plus a lot more. This is Shea freaking Weber people.

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#92 Tikkanese
May 01 2013, 03:02PM
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Cody anderson wrote:

This D looks a hell of a lot better then what we have had the last 5 yrs. Sure it is not the most physical D-corps, but shortest guy is 6'2" lightest in 2 years will likely be J Schultz who will probably get over 200 lbs.

They should all be legit top 4 guys and potentially a few may end up being top 2 dmen.

Yes it looks a lot better than our last 5 years, but that's not saying much. Gord Mark would be an improvement over a lot of our D!

They may all be 6'2"+ but the only possible physical guy in your list is Marincin. Schultz and Larsson are the only offensive types and the rest will most likely end up being all Defensive D-Men and mostly soft at that. Not a good balance unless we have Barry Trotz as our coach.

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#93 Will
May 01 2013, 03:05PM
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I agree that Weber is out of reach; moreover I really don't think our management would want to take on that contract and be hamstrung when it comes time for the rest of the wunderkids to be signed. I like whoever started talking about alternative names like Yandle. There are good D out there, not named Weber, that would take an asset or two going back the other way, but might not cost a wunderkid, and those are the type we should look to get.

I keep saying swap first round picks with Philly and package Gagner for Coutier (who isn't a D I know), but I wonder fi this deal could be made with Phoenix for Yandle? Obviously that leaves a pretty big hole at second line centre, but in FA this year, what is more difficult to come by, good D or a replacement / upgrade on Gagner? I know the Gagner talk is boring now, but we keep talking about it because to get what we want, it would likely cost us at least Gagner. He seems to be the piece fans would be willing to give up, and maybe even the piece that has some actual value to other teams.

My guess is if they don't trade our first overall outright for someone on the same kind of level of Yandle, they will pick Monahan if available, if not they'll take one of the big D. Question to ON, would you take Nishckinin if he fell to seventh knowing he'sgot a bit of an attitude and could bolt back to the KHL anytime?

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#94 Eddie Shore
May 01 2013, 03:14PM
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Did people actually believe the Preds were going to pay $26,000,000 and then trade him?

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#95 **
May 01 2013, 03:23PM
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the price of bringing Weber to Edmonton would be too prohibitive for the Oilers at this point. It would probably end up hurting the team in the long run. With the price the Preds GM would be asking for, the Oil can get at least 3 decent players who's sum of the parts would have more impact than Weber and it wouldn't strand the team down the road.

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#96 madjam
May 01 2013, 03:26PM
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We are all hoping for a blockbuster trade or two , when MacT. said that was not what the are planning if I remember him correctly . He is out for complimentary players to surround our stars - not much mention of any so called superstars ! Doesn't appear that they are seeking big stars unless the unlikely deal falls into their laps . Lets face it after 7 years of nothing falling into their laps , it's doubtful it will for next year either .

Lets get back to roll players that can upgrade present personnel not of the big star variety .

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#97 The Soup Fascist
May 01 2013, 03:50PM
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headmetal wrote:

build from net out...we need a challenger for backup (Bernier or bought out Lou or pry Khudobin for cheap) then really concentrate on a top level Dman. We have prospects, but need to acquire some Vet talent to teach our kids.

Remember back in our run what Oates and Peca did for the Centers. What Pronger taught our D corp?!? Trading some of the kids may be needed to get the pieces, however I think picks and prospects will be just as well received providing we do not waste other GMs time and make some hockey trades

Oates and Peca were mutually exclusive. Oates arrived a couple years before the 2006 run. His single year was a non-event and he was clearly done. I can't say if he added value to our centers at the time - I will defer to your knowledge.

Peca was another one year project 05-06. His regular season play was underwhelming if I remember right. He did turn it up a bit it the playoffs though. Again, I have no idea on how much he imparted on the other three centers, Stoll, Horcoff and Reasoner.

Pronger was in a different class, IMO. Despite being an all-world jerk he made everyone better. I am not sure Oates or Peca came close to having that impact.

Hopefully MacT remembers that time in his past and acknowledges the immediate impact of an elite defenceman.

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#98 Jerconjake
May 01 2013, 04:24PM
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For what it's worth, Dreger reported that the Predators were working on a Weber trade at the time the offer sheet was signed:

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/225817338795155456

The money they spent in 2013 was an investment for the future, but that contract is a serious anchor for the organization. If they got the right package I think it could happen.

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#99 Wax Man Riley
May 01 2013, 04:29PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Maybe you guys are right. Lowe will never pull a Pronger out of his hat again. Why even bother raising expectations for the third highest ticket prices in the league.

This is as good as it gets Edmonton. Just making the playoffs again is as good as it gets for this most northern outpost.

Weber to Edmonton, the laughing stock of the NHL....what a laugher! Will the last overpaid, underachieving veteran playing out his golden years here, please turn out the lights before leaving town.

Quitters rejoice, and pile on!

Oh My GAWD!!!

Le tit go Quicks. It has nothing to do with giving up or accepting mediocrity. It has everything to do with Nashville saying:

"Ummm we just ate 25% of the best defenseman in the league's contract. We have a world-class goalie AND the aforementioned defenseman and we will build around those.

Why don't we trade for Crosby and Malkin then? Hey... if Gretzky can be traded, right?

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#100 Wax Man Riley
May 01 2013, 04:31PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

By the way... hiking is really just walking where it is OK to pee.

Sometimes seniors hike by accident...

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