Why it seems unlikely that the Nashville Predators would trade Shea Weber

Jonathan Willis
May 01 2013 08:55AM

It’s (an understandable) dream of Oilers fans to see Shea Weber traded to Edmonton. Not only is he from Western Canada, big, strong and capable, but he’d fill the #1 defenceman hole that Edmonton has had since Chris Pronger left town.

Those dreams seem destined to go unfulfilled.

Get Used To Disappointment

Why would Nashville trade one of the league’s precious few franchise defenders? The answer always seems to be “they’re a small market club and they can’t afford him.” By their actions, though, it seems clear that the Predators have decided they can’t afford not to pay him.

The Economics of a Trade

Shea Weber signed his current contract – via a Philadelphia Flyers offer sheet – on July 19, 2012, forcing the Predators to either match and hang on to Weber for at least a year, or decline to match and accept four first-round picks in exchange for Weber’s services. The Flyers made it as difficult as possible for Nashville by structuring the contract to be extremely front-loaded.

No NHL player made more money in 2012-13 than Weber. More than that, Weber’s contract is structured to be heavily bonus-intensive – featuring a $1 million base salary and a $13 million signing bonus for each of the first four years. The signing bonuses mean that by the time Weber could be traded by the Predators, they will have paid $27 million of the $110 million on his contract – just slightly under one-quarter of his total contract in the first year.

Facing a $110 million decision, one has to think the Predators weighed the cost. None of these ramifications were unknown at the time; the Predators knew what they were getting into matching that offer sheet. If it made sense to sign him then, it’s hard to imagine they’re going to change their mind and move him after having already taken the worst lumps.

Certainly that’s the message general manager David Poile has always emphasized – asked about the possibility of a trade by CBC’s Elliotte Friedman in April, he made no secret as to his view:

We have a franchise goaltender and the best defenceman in the NHL ... We are building our team around them.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: either the Predators made a terrible mistake, Poile’s being disingenuous, and the team plans to try and get a better return than four first round picks after spending $27 million for 48 games or they really have no plans to trade Weber. The latter seems more likely to be reality than the former. None of that means the Oilers shouldn't ask, but it does mean not much is likely to come of it. 

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Jonathan Willis is Managing Editor of the Nation Network. He also currently writes for the Edmonton Journal's Cult of Hockey, Grantland, and Hockey Prospectus. His work has appeared at theScore, ESPN and Puck Daddy. He was previously founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue. Contact him at jonathan (dot) willis (at) live (dot) ca.
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#101 TigerUnderGlass
May 01 2013, 04:37PM
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@ Willis

One factor to consider is that the Preds are in an a different situation than they were when they signed him.

At the time they were a team who had just come off 3 strong seasons with a legitimate expectation that they would make some noise in the playoffs in the future. Weber was retained to maintain that.

Now they have missed the playoffs and did not have a good season at all.

Is it not fair that a team coming off 3 good seasons would have more motivation to retain Weber than a team coming off the season they just had given the financial implications?

I'm not saying this necessarily means they want to trade him, but it does mean their intentions to keep him at the time could have been altered over the last year.

It's not definitive but it would have to be a motivating factor.

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#102 Will
May 01 2013, 04:39PM
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I think people are also forgetting Nashville picked up a really good prospect this year, and is about to pick up another one.

They have an experienced goalie defence tandem, maybe one of the best in the league, and they are about to get some young, and rather large, talent up front. Not to mention they have one of the better coaches in the league. If they can add a bit of scoring and some depth defence in the summer time, they could likely be right back in the mix in the West.

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#103 madjam
May 01 2013, 04:40PM
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Soup Fascist : I wrote to a Journal writer who agreed with me that Peca and Pronger were not doing much here and vastly underperforming. I commented both were looking like they were on vacation here . Pronger by New Years had penalty minutes resembling a Lady Byng contender . Not until we added the additional personnel at trade deadline did either of them start living up to their potential . Maybe personnel problems had a lot to do with it .

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#104 Wäx Män Riley
May 01 2013, 04:48PM
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Yak Attack wrote:

My issue is that it is very easy to pick first in the first round. Where are all of our early second and third round picks ?

This is the truth right here. 1st overall is pretty easy.

71st overall is a bit tougher. That amateur scouting department better be in it's game.

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#105 MarcusBillius
May 01 2013, 05:09PM
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Jason, don't you think a better argument would be to look at the size of his salary, point out his gigantic cap hit for the next half century, and then ask all our genius Oilers fans who want him "where the hell do you think we'll find the money to sign Nuge, Yakupov, and Schultz - and maybe Gagner?"

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#106 Will
May 01 2013, 05:12PM
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@Wäx Män Riley

I think we've been drafting pretty good in late late rounds in the last few years. Where we're falling down is in the second and third, likely because there seems to have been an upper management mandate for a coke machine. I would imagine the scouts are doing there job but are being overruled by the Oilers mission to get a Lucic of their very own.

I would be way, way more upset at blowing a pick in the first round over our inability to find Jamie Benns in the draft.

Sam Gagner 6th in 2007 (second in points from his draft year) Jordan Eberle 22nd in 2008 Paajarvi 10th in 2009 (we missed out on some good D, but this is still a strong pick) Hall 1st in 2010 Nuge 1st in 2011 Klefbomb 19 in 2011 (looking at what was drafted above and below him, this might have been a great pick) Yak 1st in 2012

So which would you rather, us blowing these first rounds picks or us not finding gems in the depth picks?

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#107 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 05:49PM
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Eddie Shore wrote:

Did people actually believe the Preds were going to pay $26,000,000 and then trade him?

Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do when ownership needs/wants to cut costs.

It would get the Preds off the hook for the other 84 million over the balance of that contract. Nothing screams, we're in it to win it like being 12 mill under the cap every year for the last 5 yrs. Darn right I believed the Preds may want to get out from under that deal. With no playoff home dates for the foreseeable future, they could easily change their direction. It's a safe bet Weber doesn't want to be a part of another 5 yrs outside of the playoffs. The Preds moving Weber out of need, or Weber wanting the Preds to move him, either way, it's just a matter of time. When Gretzky signed his deal to remain an Oiler till 1999, we all thought he'd be an Oiler forever as well.

84 million is a couple dollars more than 26 million there Mikey.

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#108 Spydyr
May 01 2013, 06:12PM
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Freewheeling Fred wrote:

Back in 2006 when the Oilers traded for chris pronger who would have believed that could happen.The city was very excited. We need another monster trade to get this city pumped about the Oilers.We need Shea Webber. Next year with realignment the opposition will include some big tough players. The current d corp would get manhandled. With the young d coming in Webber would be a great mentor.Offer Nashville Gagner Petry a prospect and a first. Get er done Mac

Can we also trade Hemsky, Horcoff, a prospect and a first for Crosby?

Get er done Mac

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#109 michael
May 01 2013, 06:13PM
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I get so sick of these articles about trading for Weber. Half the wags would trade Hall,RNH and Eberle for one player. Stop it already.Enough of the madness. Reality to check. Stop trying to cut off your nose to spite your face. In a word be patient. I implore you no more of these EA sports trades. Gretzky never worried about defense. Ask those of us who watched the 80s Oilers light up teams for 5 goals a night on a regular basis. Sure the goalies are better now. The players bigger. Faster. More skilled. By why in Robin Brownlee's name would you give up any of the top 6 for this guy. Never mind the cap hit and contract is so obscene that it boggles the mind. Roberto Luongo anyone? Ilya Brzgalov? Scott Gomez? Shawn Horcoff?. These are prime example of why you don't take on that kind of albatross. New jersey has to forfeit their first roung pick either this year or next in punishment for the Kovalchuck contract. Look at Kipper. One year left at 1.5? He'd rather retire than play for chump change. You really think Weber will play out that contract? Really? Give your heads a shake MacT is smarter than you give him credit for.

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#110 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 06:27PM
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@Wäx Män Riley

Let me walk you through this...

A) Would it ever be possible the Predators may find themselves in a position that they need to move Weber.....Yes

B) Would it ever be possible Weber goes to Poile and asks to be moved....Yes

C) Do the requirements/direction of an NHL team change on a year to year basis.....Yes

D) Does Shea Weber have a NMC.....No.

Shut the Muck up, all of you!

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#111 Spydyr
May 01 2013, 06:37PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Let me walk you through this...

A) Would it ever be possible the Predators may find themselves in a position that they need to move Weber.....Yes

B) Would it ever be possible Weber goes to Poile and asks to be moved....Yes

C) Do the requirements/direction of an NHL team change on a year to year basis.....Yes

D) Does Shea Weber have a NMC.....No.

Shut the Muck up, all of you!

A) Would it ever be possible the Predators may find themselves in a position that they need to move Weber.....Yes

There would only be 28 other teams offers to beat.

B) Would it ever be possible Weber goes to Poile and asks to be moved....Yes

There would only be 28 other teams offers to beat.

C) Do the requirements/direction of an NHL team change on a year to year basis.....Yes

Well duh

D) Does Shea Weber have a NMC.....No.

There would only be 28 other teams offers to beat.

It would cost one or more of the kids.For a albatross contract on a player that most likely would not want to be here.

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#112 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 06:38PM
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DSF wrote:

Can the Oilers afford Weber's cap hit and pay the kids?

No.

How about with Horcoff, Eberle and Gagner out of the picture.

Horc gets bought out. That would move things around a little. I know it's highly unlikely he comes to our laughing stock franchise, but I do believe he gets moved sooner rather than later.

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#113 Wäx Män Riley
May 01 2013, 06:38PM
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@Quicksilver ballet

Where is Wes? I'm surprised he isn't here stating his case too.

Oilers need Crosby and Malkin. Some bigger, stronger centers. If they don't get Crosby, Malkin, or both then the Oilers are settling for failure.

I'm starting a campaign. Crosby and Malkin or bust!

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#114 Wäx Män Riley
May 01 2013, 06:40PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

How about with Horcoff, Eberle and Gagner out of the picture.

Horc gets bought out. That would move things around a little. I know it's highly unlikely he comes to our laughing stock franchise, but I do believe he gets moved sooner rather than later.

It's going to be tough to pay Crosby, Malkin, and Weber. But if we trade Horc, Eberle, Gagner, and Dubnyk, I think we can fit them.

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#115 Spydyr
May 01 2013, 06:41PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

Where is Wes? I'm surprised he isn't here stating his case too.

Oilers need Crosby and Malkin. Some bigger, stronger centers. If they don't get Crosby, Malkin, or both then the Oilers are settling for failure.

I'm starting a campaign. Crosby and Malkin or bust!

Not unless we get Letang as a throw in.

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#116 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 06:43PM
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@Spydyr

Welcome to the dark side Spyder.

A contract is just a piece of paper. It all goes out the window when a player is unhappy about something.

Who's to say Poile doesn't covet what the Oilers have to offer? Screw the other 28 teams, we only care about 1.

In the immortal words of John Candy....Dose Leafs getting blowd up real good.

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#117 Wäx Män Riley
May 01 2013, 06:44PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

How about with Horcoff, Eberle and Gagner out of the picture.

Horc gets bought out. That would move things around a little. I know it's highly unlikely he comes to our laughing stock franchise, but I do believe he gets moved sooner rather than later.

And that leaves RNH, Smyth, Lander, and Arcobello down the middle?

That is a winning 'C' lineup if I ever seen one.

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#118 Spydyr
May 01 2013, 06:45PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Welcome to the dark side Spyder.

A contract is just a piece of paper. It all goes out the window when a player is unhappy about something.

Who's to say Poile doesn't covet what the Oilers have to offer? Screw the other 28 teams, we only care about 1.

In the immortal words of John Candy....Dose Leafs getting blowd up real good.

Poile might care what the other 28 teams have to offer and to get Weber you would have to beat all other 28 teams.Talk about an over pay.

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#119 Wäx Män Riley
May 01 2013, 06:45PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

And that leaves RNH, Smyth, Lander, and Arcobello down the middle?

That is a winning 'C' lineup if I ever seen one.

And Belanger, dummy! ↑

Can't win without Belanger

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#120 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 06:47PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

Where is Wes? I'm surprised he isn't here stating his case too.

Oilers need Crosby and Malkin. Some bigger, stronger centers. If they don't get Crosby, Malkin, or both then the Oilers are settling for failure.

I'm starting a campaign. Crosby and Malkin or bust!

Whatever floats your boat dude. I think my idea of just Weber is easier obtained than your Crosby and Malkin. Hey if you're serious, your audience here is waiting for you to impress us.

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#121 Wäx Män Riley
May 01 2013, 06:48PM
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@Spydyr

Crosby, Malkin, Letang for:

Horcoff, Gagner, Eberle, Hemsky and Omark if we have to sweeten the deal

Then we trade Letang and Petry for Weber, and throw in Arcobello if we have to sweeten it.

Unstoppable!!!

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#122 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 06:49PM
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Spydyr wrote:

Poile might care what the other 28 teams have to offer and to get Weber you would have to beat all other 28 teams.Talk about an over pay.

How much is Weber worth if his demand to be traded goes public like Pronger. A tad less I have to believe.

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#123 Spydyr
May 01 2013, 06:49PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

Crosby, Malkin, Letang for:

Horcoff, Gagner, Eberle, Hemsky and Omark if we have to sweeten the deal

Then we trade Letang and Petry for Weber, and throw in Arcobello if we have to sweeten it.

Unstoppable!!!

I'm sure Shero can't wait to jump on that.

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#124 Wäx Män Riley
May 01 2013, 06:52PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Whatever floats your boat dude. I think my idea of just Weber is easier obtained than your Crosby and Malkin. Hey if you're serious, your audience here is waiting for you to impress us.

I would like to see Weber in Orange and Blue, but I just don't see it as realistic. Not even close. Trading Weber is akin to trading Crosby, or Hall.

If it happens, Quicks, I would like to take you out to The Pint, Wes too, and those tower beers are on me all night long. Wings too! And I'll also get us all cabs home. I will also apologize.

Actually I really hope MacT gets Weber here now. You, me, Wes, a bunch of beer and wings for the Season opener sounds like a good time. DSF can come too.... although he gets his own cab home.

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#125 Wäx Män Riley
May 01 2013, 06:52PM
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Spydyr wrote:

I'm sure Shero can't wait to jump on that.

un-------STOPPABLE!!!!!

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#126 Spydyr
May 01 2013, 06:56PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

un-------STOPPABLE!!!!!

Wait we need a goalie.

How about Dubbie , Smid and next years second for Quick and Doughty.

Stanley here we come.

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#127 Eddie Shore
May 01 2013, 06:57PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do when ownership needs/wants to cut costs.

It would get the Preds off the hook for the other 84 million over the balance of that contract. Nothing screams, we're in it to win it like being 12 mill under the cap every year for the last 5 yrs. Darn right I believed the Preds may want to get out from under that deal. With no playoff home dates for the foreseeable future, they could easily change their direction. It's a safe bet Weber doesn't want to be a part of another 5 yrs outside of the playoffs. The Preds moving Weber out of need, or Weber wanting the Preds to move him, either way, it's just a matter of time. When Gretzky signed his deal to remain an Oiler till 1999, we all thought he'd be an Oiler forever as well.

84 million is a couple dollars more than 26 million there Mikey.

I have a hard time picturing the owner writing a cheque July 1 for $13M and then OK'ing a trade moving him 3 weeks later. If I were the owner, I'd want my GM to move heaven and earth to bring other players in that will make Nanville competitive WITH Weber if I'm shelling out that type of coin.

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#128 DSF
May 01 2013, 07:01PM
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@Will

1) Gagner was NOT a great pick.

PPG

Couture - .720

Voracek - .624

Gagner - .623

Pacioretty - .621

Gagner has more raw points because he was gifted huge, prime, sheltered minutes early on. And that doesn't even take into account Shattenkirk and Subban who both would have been a better pick.

2) Eberle is covering his bet but Derek Stepan, who was selected last in the second round is quickly overtaking him. A solid pick but Stepan is the steal of that draft.

3) The Paajarvi pick is almost a "whiff" at this point.

Kulikov, Leddy, Johansson, O'Reilly, Silvferberg, Clifford, Smith and Foligno would have been much better picks and all of them were selected much later than Magnus.

4) Klefbom has yet to play a pro game in North America but I'm thinking he'll have a tough time surpassing Brandon Saad in the foreseeable future.

The Oilers didn't blow the #1 picks too badly but they are hardly killing it with any other picks.

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#129 Wäx Män Riley
May 01 2013, 07:02PM
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The OTHER thing is if you look at Capgeek, Nashville has MORE cap space than Edmonton for next year.

Why do they need to move Weber due to cap space, and why would Edmonton take on that crazy contract.

Nashville has MORE cap space than Edmonton next year.

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#130 Spydyr
May 01 2013, 07:02PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Whichever team trades for Webber will eventually regret this decision........just how many times do we have to watch this movie?

It seems that whenever a big name signs for a trillion bucks somewhere, their play goes south and the team is now saddled with an untradeable asset. Ask NYR how all their superstars are working out for them?

I would much rather grow our players instead of overpaying for them on the UFA and trade front. Trading for Webber would cost this franchise in so many ways for so long.......right now Souray looks as good a player as Webber. We may already have a mini-WEbber in Klefblom?

" We may already have a mini-WEbber in Klefblom?"

Are you sure a player hurt the last 2 years who has never played a game in the NHL is a Mini-Weber?

I'm not.

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#131 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 07:06PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

Whichever team trades for Webber will eventually regret this decision........just how many times do we have to watch this movie?

It seems that whenever a big name signs for a trillion bucks somewhere, their play goes south and the team is now saddled with an untradeable asset. Ask NYR how all their superstars are working out for them?

I would much rather grow our players instead of overpaying for them on the UFA and trade front. Trading for Webber would cost this franchise in so many ways for so long.......right now Souray looks as good a player as Webber. We may already have a mini-WEbber in Klefblom?

Maybe someone should ask Taylor Hall if he wants to wait yet another 3 or 4 yrs for the Schultz,Klefbom and Mirincin types to round into form.

Do you believe we have that much time before the cracks in this new foundation start to show?

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#132 Spydyr
May 01 2013, 07:07PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Maybe someone should ask Taylor Hall if he wants to wait yet another 3 or 4 yrs for the Schultz,Klefbom and Mirincin types to round into form.

Do you believe we have that much time before the cracks in this new foundation start to show?

The cracks started to show summer 2006.

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#133 Spydyr
May 01 2013, 07:10PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

You may be right on those points, but, DSF, you are picking out random players that teams took flyers on (Stepan?). Anybody can do that for ANY team!

Do you ACTUALLY think the teams that took those players have such better scouts? Or did they get lucky?

Horcoff #99. Petry #45. Kyle Brodziak #215. Stoll #36. Greene #44. Every team gets lucky in the latter rounds. You can't use that as conclusive evidence.

That is why I'm against trading 4th and 5th round picks for journeymen stop gap players.You never know when your going to get lucky.

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#134 Wäx Män Riley
May 01 2013, 07:11PM
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DSF wrote:

1) Gagner was NOT a great pick.

PPG

Couture - .720

Voracek - .624

Gagner - .623

Pacioretty - .621

Gagner has more raw points because he was gifted huge, prime, sheltered minutes early on. And that doesn't even take into account Shattenkirk and Subban who both would have been a better pick.

2) Eberle is covering his bet but Derek Stepan, who was selected last in the second round is quickly overtaking him. A solid pick but Stepan is the steal of that draft.

3) The Paajarvi pick is almost a "whiff" at this point.

Kulikov, Leddy, Johansson, O'Reilly, Silvferberg, Clifford, Smith and Foligno would have been much better picks and all of them were selected much later than Magnus.

4) Klefbom has yet to play a pro game in North America but I'm thinking he'll have a tough time surpassing Brandon Saad in the foreseeable future.

The Oilers didn't blow the #1 picks too badly but they are hardly killing it with any other picks.

In 2005, Montreal chose Kostitsyn 200 overall. 353 games so far. they hit it out of the park with that pick. Do they have amazing scouts? I would say so!!!!!

Or maybe they got lucky and if they chose Bliznak instead, then Vancouver would have had the best scouts because they got Kostitsyn.

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#135 DSF
May 01 2013, 07:26PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

In 2005, Montreal chose Kostitsyn 200 overall. 353 games so far. they hit it out of the park with that pick. Do they have amazing scouts? I would say so!!!!!

Or maybe they got lucky and if they chose Bliznak instead, then Vancouver would have had the best scouts because they got Kostitsyn.

Montreal has great scouts.

In the Gagner draft (2007) the Habs got McDonagh, Pacioretty, Subban and Jannik Webber.

The Oilers, despite having THREE first round picks, ended up with Gagner, Plante, Nash, Omark and Kytnar.

That's really "unlucky".

The 2009 and 2010 drafts are even more "unlucky".

How is that Mitch Moroz pick looking now?

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#136 Quicksilver ballet
May 01 2013, 07:29PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

And that leaves RNH, Smyth, Lander, and Arcobello down the middle?

That is a winning 'C' lineup if I ever seen one.

Was thinking of moving up a couple spots in the draft, maybe to 4. Does RNH,Weiss,Barkov and Wellwood look better to you? One can't deny Wellwoods numbers at 1/4 the price of Horcoff.

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#137 Wäx Män Riley
May 01 2013, 07:40PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Was thinking of moving up a couple spots in the draft, maybe to 4. Does RNH,Weiss,Barkov and Wellwood look better to you? One can't deny Wellwoods numbers at 1/4 the price of Horcoff.

That does look much better, actually.

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#138 Wäx Män Riley
May 01 2013, 07:42PM
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DSF wrote:

Montreal has great scouts.

In the Gagner draft (2007) the Habs got McDonagh, Pacioretty, Subban and Jannik Webber.

The Oilers, despite having THREE first round picks, ended up with Gagner, Plante, Nash, Omark and Kytnar.

That's really "unlucky".

The 2009 and 2010 drafts are even more "unlucky".

How is that Mitch Moroz pick looking now?

I am not defending the Oiler's draft. Not at all. Kytnar?? Plante?/ Nash?? WTF Oilers!??!?!

I'm just defending the random player picks to make a point.

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#139 DSF
May 01 2013, 08:16PM
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TigerUnderGlass wrote:
Montreal has great scouts. In the Gagner draft (2007) the Habs got McDonagh, Pacioretty, Subban and Jannik Webber. The Oilers, despite having THREE first round picks, ended up with Gagner, Plante, Nash, Omark and Kytnar.

In 2008 they drafted Danny Kristo, Steve Quailer, Jason Missiaen, Maxim Trunev, and Patrick Johnson.

Though I suppose in 2009 they struck gold with Louis Leblanc right?

In the last 6 years, disregarding the 1st overall picks who could have been selected by Maggie the Money, the Oilers have drafted TWO NHL players and one of those players, Paajarvi, would be in the AHL on any good NHL team.

In the same time frame, Montreal has drafted 7 players who are already established NHL players with Tinordi and Beaulieu very close.

That the Habs accomplished that while drafting much lower than the Oilers gives you a pretty good idea about the skill of their amateur scouts.

Good grief...the Oilers had THREE first round picks in 2007 and all of them look like mistakes.

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#140 genoreda
May 01 2013, 08:25PM
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Can the Oilers afford Weber's cap hit and pay the kids?

No.

that's why you put Eberle in the deal.

Eberle, 7th overall, 2014 1st, and 2nds and scraps n such

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#141 TigerUnderGlass
May 01 2013, 08:37PM
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DSF wrote:

In the last 6 years, disregarding the 1st overall picks who could have been selected by Maggie the Money, the Oilers have drafted TWO NHL players and one of those players, Paajarvi, would be in the AHL on any good NHL team.

In the same time frame, Montreal has drafted 7 players who are already established NHL players with Tinordi and Beaulieu very close.

That the Habs accomplished that while drafting much lower than the Oilers gives you a pretty good idea about the skill of their amateur scouts.

Good grief...the Oilers had THREE first round picks in 2007 and all of them look like mistakes.

So the Oilers have to throw out their first rounder while Montreal gets to keep them?

If you take away their last three first round picks like you want to do for Edmonton you are left with ONLY 2007 picks and Gallagher.

What have the Oilers picked since 2007 if you subtract their last three firsts? MPS, Eberle, Gagner, with Hartikainen and Lander with a shot at becoming regulars and a hndful of Defensemen with a reasonable chance at becoming NHL players.

You want to stack the deck on MTLs favor before comparing, but when you do the comparison fairly there is not much to separate the teams.

Subban was a fantastic find, but other than that I don't see the evidence of a vastly superior scouting group.

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#142 madjam
May 01 2013, 08:47PM
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Oilers are near the top with there scouting to fill their size and future needs , etc.. Forgot where I read it today - maybe Hockey Futures site . Those are still advances over previous 3 years . It's getting better . just graduates are not ready as yet . So scouting is doing an acceptable job considering . and seemingly moving in the right direction .

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#143 Walter Sobchak
May 01 2013, 08:52PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

Where is Wes? I'm surprised he isn't here stating his case too.

Oilers need Crosby and Malkin. Some bigger, stronger centers. If they don't get Crosby, Malkin, or both then the Oilers are settling for failure.

I'm starting a campaign. Crosby and Malkin or bust!

Oh, I'm here, just waiting.........for the right time, besides quick is making a case.

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#144 Walter Sobchak
May 01 2013, 08:55PM
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genoreda wrote:

that's why you put Eberle in the deal.

Eberle, 7th overall, 2014 1st, and 2nds and scraps n such

You can't use this years draft.

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#145 Johnson
May 01 2013, 08:57PM
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Craig Button has his first mock draft out with the Oilers taking Elias Lindholm:

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=93427

I still think Oilers will take VALERI NICHUSHKIN if he is available .

He could be the Milan we are looking for

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#146 Walter Sobchak
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I still think Oilers will take VALERI NICHUSHKIN if he is available .

He could be the Milan we are looking for

First off Valeri Nichushkin will not be a Lucic, he's going to be far better hockey player with far less aggression.

Although I like the idea of the Oilers draft Nichushkin as he is a elite prospect and a much needed size on the LW.

Trouble is he is sighed to a KHL contract for an additional two years.

He will not be coming over and could fall completely out of the first round.

You would be better off trying to trade for Kuznetsov who also wont be coming over.

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#147 Johnson
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

First off Valeri Nichushkin will not be a Lucic, he's going to be far better hockey player with far less aggression.

Although I like the idea of the Oilers draft Nichushkin as he is a elite prospect and a much needed size on the LW.

Trouble is he is sighed to a KHL contract for an additional two years.

He will not be coming over and could fall completely out of the first round.

You would be better off trying to trade for Kuznetsov who also wont be coming over.

He has been listed as a RW LW and Center. I'm sure Oilers will do their due dilly . They have a few Russian connections.

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#148 Taylor Gang
May 01 2013, 09:16PM
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djc wrote:

Do you have anything else in your life besides trying to point out Oiler faults? This article posted at 9AM and you have commented all throughout the day. I didn't bother counting but just noticed i was skipping over your name even more than usual. What exactly are you trying to prove? That you are smarter than everyone? A better scout than anyone the oilers have? That the teams you pick are awesome making you awesome too? Do you want an internet trophy? A gift card to Oodle Noodle? A pat on the head?

I honestly don't know how you have the time to do this all day, every single day on every single oilers article? Do you not have ANYTHING else in your life ... a job ... a family ... friends? Did the Oilers turn you down for a job? Did Gagner bang your girlfriend? Why so much anger? How does an article about Weber even turn into complaining about drafting Gagner 6 years ago?

You can point out all the facts you want and call everyone fanboys, but you really need to get something else in your life besides posting obsessively about a team you don't even like. Katz, Lowe, Mactavish, Gagner, etc don't care what you think and neither do most of the people who log on to the site for 5 minutes a day to catch up on some Oilers news.

If your goal is just to irritate people, well then good job since now I am irritated that I just wasted 5 minutes of my life writing this ...

BAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMM!

PEANUT BUTTER AND JAAAAAAM!

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#149 Taylor Gang
May 01 2013, 09:19PM
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My personal favorite player to go for is Keith Yandle. You want to pry a great defenseman from a small franchise? How about one that won't cost the kids?

Gagner + B-level prospect for Yandle, that's my trade

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#150 Zev
May 01 2013, 10:32PM
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My guess for the Oilers list

Sean Monahan

Darnell Nurse

Nichushkin

Elias Lindholm

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