TRUE BLUE VOL 1

Lowetide
May 14 2013 08:59PM

This past NHL season, there were 60 defensemen who averaged more TOI per game than the top Oilers blueliner (Jeff Petry). The club has no top pairing, but rather five men who alternate between 18:30 and 21:54 a night. There is no "go to" guy--no top flight, complete defender--and that's a major job for Craig MacTavish.

THOSE GUYS ARE NEVER AVAILABLE!

Sure they are. Over the last 10 NHL seasons, Edmonton has employed several "complete" NHL defensemen who played major minutes in all three disciplines (EV, PP, PK). The overwhelming majority of them came via trade: an Oiler defenseman for another defender.

  • 2002-03: Janne Niinimaa (acquired from Philly for Dan McGillis plus); Eric Brewer (acquired from the Islanders in the Roman Hamrlik deal).
  • 2003-04: Brewer again
  • 2005-06: Chris Pronger (acquired for a package of D including Brewer); Jaroslav Spacek (deadline pickup)
  • 2006-07: None.
  • 2007-08: Sheldon Souray (free agent signing); Joni Pitkanen (acquired for Lupul and Jason Smith)
  • 2008-09: Souray again; Lubomir Visnovsky (acquired for Stoll & Greene)
  • 2009-10: Ryan Whitney (acquired for Lubo, played only 19 games with team in 09-10)
  • 2010-11: Ryan Whitney again; Tom Gilbert (acquired as a prospect and brought along by team)
  • 2011-12: None
  • 2012-13: None

So, that's nine defenseman; none via draft (although that may change with Petry); one from free agency; 8 from trades, usually involving defensemen going the other way.

TRADE?

The Oilers have been able to add complete defensemen over the last decade, and the most effective way is by trade. The one free agent signing (Souray) was an overpay, and the club can't afford a major cap misstep if they plan on keeping all of these lottery picks and #1 overalls.

A trade that involves a current Oiler defenseman of some ability--say from the group that includes Smid, Petry and Nick Schultz--is probably the better plan in acquiring that 25+ minute defender to anchor the defense for the rest of this decade.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Complete defensemen are a very rare, valuable item. A team like the Oilers is extremely unlikely to get one without giving up a capable (if lesser) defender in return. In our next installment of this series, I'll look at free agents who may be able to help bridge the gap and a select group of defensemen who may be worth the enormous assets required to procure them for the Oilers.

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#1 DSF
May 14 2013, 09:09PM
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Just the latest confirmation that the Oilers draft strategy for the last 5 years has been fatally flawed.

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#2 gongshow
May 14 2013, 09:13PM
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NYR, CBJ, LAK and STL all look to be overflowing with Dmen and to my eye look like possible trade fits for MacT. Would Wisnewski or Jack Johnson fit the bill? Big-ish tickets that JD might want to move out for smaller contracts and/or offensive forwards?

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#3 FSD
May 14 2013, 09:16PM
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When did Kevin Lowe join the Edmonton Oilers as a non- player?

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#4 gongshow
May 14 2013, 09:17PM
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DSF go fist yourself. You must lead a very fulfilling existence, wasting your day trolling. It's beautiful outside. Go explore the world.

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#5 HardBoiledOil
May 14 2013, 09:21PM
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just goes to show #1 d-men don't grow on trees, aren't easy to draft because they are usually so high in the draft, you need a top 5 pick to get one (yes, i know the Oil have had three #1 picks in a row and could have drafted Larsson or Murray but they weren't the BPA), and especially true is the fact team's just don't have extra #1 d-men around to trade and likely aren't going to trade their only #1 d-man away. what the Oil should do is concentrate on continuing to draft good d-men and add as good a d-man as they can get through a trade, and stop worrying so much about getting a #1 (unless they take Darnell Nurse this year and he becomes a #1 down the road?) just my 2 cents.

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#6 DSF
May 14 2013, 09:21PM
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gongshow wrote:

DSF go fist yourself. You must lead a very fulfilling existence, wasting your day trolling. It's beautiful outside. Go explore the world.

I've been around the world...several times.

While good teams build from the back end out and down the middle...the Oilers have been drafting a bunch of wingers. The easiest players to find.

Stupid.

The Oilers have 3...count em...3 NHL quality defensemen.

Even middling teams like the Maple Leafs have 7.

Centres?

Two...and one of them has huge deficiencies.

Dumb.

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#8 HardBoiledOil
May 14 2013, 09:31PM
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DSF wrote:

I've been around the world...several times.

While good teams build from the back end out and down the middle...the Oilers have been drafting a bunch of wingers. The easiest players to find.

Stupid.

The Oilers have 3...count em...3 NHL quality defensemen.

Even middling teams like the Maple Leafs have 7.

Centres?

Two...and one of them has huge deficiencies.

Dumb.

Hall was drafted as a center was he not? he and Seguin were the BPA's and what would have been stupid is to not take one or the other. Yak was also the BPA, so the Oil took the BPA. smart, not stupid in my book. and Eberle was luck, pure a simple. Oil has 3 NHL d-men and the almighty Leafs have 7? the same 7 that gassed a 4-1 lead in game 7 against Boston? and again, Nuge was judged by most scouts to be the BPA, nothing dumb there at all, and yes, Gagner isn't the greatest #2 center in the league, but the Oilers have gotten a hell of a lot of mileage out of him since they drafted him and he seems to have finally had a breakout year. the Oil could do a hell of a lot worse than having those two as their top 2 centers. nothing dumb at all here.

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#9 HardBoiledOil
May 14 2013, 09:36PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I agree, but there's still a gap to bridge. Oilers have Klefbom, Marincin and others on the way, and of couse Petry from the 2006 draft, Smid from a trade same summer and Schultz the younger.

If there were better options out there via free agency, maybe a trade would be less likely. Frankly, I don't see a lot in the free agent market (that isn't overpriced) beyond one or two guys.

well, like you said LT, at least the Oilers have Klefbom and Marincin in the near future and Gernat and Musil a little further down the road (barring a trade), so at least i have some hope that our defensive situation won't always be as bad as it is now.

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#10 DSF
May 14 2013, 09:50PM
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HardBoiledOil wrote:

Hall was drafted as a center was he not? he and Seguin were the BPA's and what would have been stupid is to not take one or the other. Yak was also the BPA, so the Oil took the BPA. smart, not stupid in my book. and Eberle was luck, pure a simple. Oil has 3 NHL d-men and the almighty Leafs have 7? the same 7 that gassed a 4-1 lead in game 7 against Boston? and again, Nuge was judged by most scouts to be the BPA, nothing dumb there at all, and yes, Gagner isn't the greatest #2 center in the league, but the Oilers have gotten a hell of a lot of mileage out of him since they drafted him and he seems to have finally had a breakout year. the Oil could do a hell of a lot worse than having those two as their top 2 centers. nothing dumb at all here.

Kulikov would easily be the Oilers best defenseman.

The Oilers drafted Paajarvi.

The Oilers drafted Gagner (missing how much his numbers were pumped by Kane) and left Ellerby, Shattenkirk and Brendan Smith on the board.

That they had 3 first round picks in that 2007 draft and came away almost empty handed is criminal.

The Leafs took the Bruins to OT in game 7 while the Oilers took the Flames and Avalanche to nowhere.

Get a grip.

The Oilers are a dreadful hockey team and the largest reason is that their defensive depth is the worst in the league.

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#11 Don W
May 14 2013, 09:57PM
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@HardBoiledOil

Actually Hall was always a winger but Seguin hasn't exactly played center in the NHL either. The problem with the oiler d-men is that there is no top pairing so everyone is playing higher than they should, they have bottom 4 guys. Oh and there is no depth so a guy like J Schultz just played every game when he really should have had a few nights watching from up top. I hope the coach next year is way tougher on these guys. If Hall keeps turning the puck over he should sit like he is at the worlds, it will help him in the end.

As for their drafting I think looking back we can say the biggest mistake was to sign Penner instead of trying to start rebuilding after Pronger left. Tyler Myers would have gone a long way to helping the d-men look NHL quality.

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#12 Josh Oiler
May 14 2013, 10:01PM
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WHAT MUST WE DO TO GET SHEA WEBER????

Would Gags + Hemmer + 7th Overall??

Would MPS + Gags + Hemmer??

How about Omark + Hemmer + Gags + Musil + 7th Overall

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#13 Hisam Saleh
May 14 2013, 10:05PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

WHAT MUST WE DO TO GET SHEA WEBER????

Would Gags + Hemmer + 7th Overall??

Would MPS + Gags + Hemmer??

How about Omark + Hemmer + Gags + Musil + 7th Overall

You have to include a rotational defenseman! They may want Jeff Petry or maybe SMID and Peckham + Gagner and 7th overall

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#14 Steven
May 14 2013, 10:06PM
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Do we really need Shea Weber?

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#15 Johe
May 14 2013, 10:08PM
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@DSF

Be happy. Be healthy. :)

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#16 Josh Oiler
May 14 2013, 10:10PM
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Could you imagine

HALL EBZ YAK CITY SHULTZ RNH AND SHEA WEBER!!!!

Stanley cup anyone???

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#17 Dutchscooter
May 14 2013, 10:15PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

WHAT MUST WE DO TO GET SHEA WEBER????

Would Gags + Hemmer + 7th Overall??

Would MPS + Gags + Hemmer??

How about Omark + Hemmer + Gags + Musil + 7th Overall

Can we please stop the Shea Weber talk? HE IS NOT GOING TO BE TRADED, let alone here.

If anyone can tell me what owner is going to pay a player $27M to play only 48 games, just to trade him out of town, please enlighten me.

Not happening.

Can we talk credible trades?

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#18 RexLibris
May 14 2013, 10:17PM
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I doubt this option is available as I expect a contract announcement anytime now, but...

Offer sheet on Pietrangelo? The Blues have tonnes of cap space, but also have a number of RFAs in Shattenkirk, Cole, Steward and Berglund. Putting a pinch on one area of the roster may open up other options, the way the Sharks did with Hjalmarsson in Chicago and ended up getting Niemi.

Free-agency is a bust this year, trade options are interesting but let's recognize that it has been a long time since this franchise won a trade.

Offer sheets are a dirty business, but it may come down to it in the end. Unless MacTavish can slip some Rohypnol into Chiarelli's drink over the summer and the two have a long conversation about Doug Hamilton's future.

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#19 Hisam Saleh
May 14 2013, 10:18PM
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You're right... Craig MacTavish talked about being bold. You can only build thru the draft for so long. I think Theo Peckham is being under used. Peckham is the exact grinder sandpaper player the oilers need. Feisty! Just like mr. Weber. Weber and Justin Shultz on the PP? I'm getting goosebumps already!

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#20 Walter Sobchak
May 14 2013, 10:24PM
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gongshow wrote:

NYR, CBJ, LAK and STL all look to be overflowing with Dmen and to my eye look like possible trade fits for MacT. Would Wisnewski or Jack Johnson fit the bill? Big-ish tickets that JD might want to move out for smaller contracts and/or offensive forwards?

Who on the NYR would be considered an upgrade, I can see two players and one of them in the next few years will be joining his brothers.

CBJ player Wisnewski has a NTC, Jack Johnson and his over inflated salary and head case is exactly what Lowe would trade for.

The one defenseman the Oiler would want they could have drafted for.

But....St. Louis is the best one yet, why would St. Louis get rid of any of their defensemen?

They absolutely don’t need too.

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#21 Josh Oiler
May 14 2013, 10:24PM
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@Dutchscooter

Look here Dutchscooter.... I that's even you're real name?

When do we ever play just 48 games??? Except lockout?

Lets pay 4 underachiever defenseman 27 mill and not make the playoffs ?

Shea Weber is world class!! Who wouldn't pay Shea Weber anything he pleases.

Dutchscooter... You're mindset is just like Kevin Lowe.. Think outside the box! Preds have listened to trade offers for Weber before.

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#22 geno
May 14 2013, 10:26PM
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DSF wrote:

I've been around the world...several times.

While good teams build from the back end out and down the middle...the Oilers have been drafting a bunch of wingers. The easiest players to find.

Stupid.

The Oilers have 3...count em...3 NHL quality defensemen.

Even middling teams like the Maple Leafs have 7.

Centres?

Two...and one of them has huge deficiencies.

Dumb.

Isn't Mark Fraser like a #1? Kostka has proven more than N Schultz IMO. Aye aye aye

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#23 Walter Sobchak
May 14 2013, 10:27PM
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RexLibris wrote:

I doubt this option is available as I expect a contract announcement anytime now, but...

Offer sheet on Pietrangelo? The Blues have tonnes of cap space, but also have a number of RFAs in Shattenkirk, Cole, Steward and Berglund. Putting a pinch on one area of the roster may open up other options, the way the Sharks did with Hjalmarsson in Chicago and ended up getting Niemi.

Free-agency is a bust this year, trade options are interesting but let's recognize that it has been a long time since this franchise won a trade.

Offer sheets are a dirty business, but it may come down to it in the end. Unless MacTavish can slip some Rohypnol into Chiarelli's drink over the summer and the two have a long conversation about Doug Hamilton's future.

St.Louis has nearly 18 million dollars in cap space, feel free to try and FRA sheet that.....

Then STL turns around and RFA sheets the Oilers.

Bad practice.

Only PHX spends less.

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#24 HardBoiledOil
May 14 2013, 10:27PM
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@DSF

Kulikov is good, but not great, and remember at the time, Magnus was very highly regarded, who knew he'd turn out like he has? (i wanted the Oilers to take Kulikov by the way). Magnus still needs more time, not all high 1st rounders explode on the scene, right DSF? Ellerby? meh. wasn't he a waiver pickup by the Kings? and how many other teams passed on Shattenkirk and Smith? finally, Oiler fans have a grip, believe me, but i must disagree with you about dreadful. the Oilers WERE but have shown improvement this year finally and finished ahead of Florida, Colorado, Tampa, Nashville, Carolina and Calgary....nowhere near the bottom of the league in the standings. at least the Oilers are heading in the right direction, up. hate to have to deal with what a team like the Vancouver Canucks will have to go through just to be a legit cup contender again.

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#25 geno
May 14 2013, 10:27PM
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@Lowetide

who's the college guy in the picture?

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#26 Hisam Saleh
May 14 2013, 10:28PM
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Dutchscooter

Josh Oiler is right. I'd rather one Super player than a collection of losers making the same amount of money. Any team in the NHL would do anything to get Shea?

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#27 geno
May 14 2013, 10:31PM
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DSF wrote:

Kulikov would easily be the Oilers best defenseman.

The Oilers drafted Paajarvi.

The Oilers drafted Gagner (missing how much his numbers were pumped by Kane) and left Ellerby, Shattenkirk and Brendan Smith on the board.

That they had 3 first round picks in that 2007 draft and came away almost empty handed is criminal.

The Leafs took the Bruins to OT in game 7 while the Oilers took the Flames and Avalanche to nowhere.

Get a grip.

The Oilers are a dreadful hockey team and the largest reason is that their defensive depth is the worst in the league.

at the time of the draft Paajarvi looked like a steal, and if you left that dark corner in your grandmother's basement where you troll all day you'd know that. You come here for one purpose and one purpose only and that's to rattle oiler fans. Don't act like you know anything about hockey because you don't. You just love the thrill of trolling

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#28 Calgary Flames Fan
May 14 2013, 10:33PM
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The Oilers are an embarrassment to Alberta Hockey.

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#29 Walter Sobchak
May 14 2013, 10:33PM
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Dutchscooter wrote:

Can we please stop the Shea Weber talk? HE IS NOT GOING TO BE TRADED, let alone here.

If anyone can tell me what owner is going to pay a player $27M to play only 48 games, just to trade him out of town, please enlighten me.

Not happening.

Can we talk credible trades?

I'm not saying Weber is coming to Edmonton, but there is a serious chance he gets moved July 15th.

Nashville is in a state of crisis, they just did a 64 million dollar cash call, they are losing a truck load of money with no chance at bringing in anymore players in to help.

They ether rebuild or shed salary or both. Shea Weber has told them if they rebuild he wants out.

If Shea Weber stays Nashville will continue to suck and leak boat loads of money.

Nashville can rebuild, shed salary and be competitive just by trading Weber.

Now ask yourself if you were a GM what would you do?

Weber is being traded.

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#30 Josh Oiler
May 14 2013, 10:35PM
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Are you kidding me? MPS numbers are better than the Sedins at the same age. MPS is and will be a steal.

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#31 HardBoiledOil
May 14 2013, 10:35PM
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Calgary Flames Fan wrote:

The Oilers are an embarrassment to Alberta Hockey.

huh? this coming from a Flames fan??? wanna know what a real embarrassment is? having Feaster tell you year after year you are just a few players away from being a cup contender. now look at the dog's breakfast he's left the fans with? but there's help in the future with superstar Mark Jankowski on the way!

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#32 Chilli Dog
May 14 2013, 10:35PM
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Free agency.......garbage. Shea Weber....great D but massive overpayment. Trade options.....Yandle should be the target. Phoenix has defensive depth but is challenged on the front end so it' s a perfect match. The package could include the 1st rounder, Hemsky, Omark and a prospect D (say one of the Martin's). IMO it's a slight overpayment but what good are assets if you're not going to use them.

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#33 Josh Oiler
May 14 2013, 10:37PM
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Shea will be EDM off season splash. They also may want a huge collection of pucks and prospects.

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#34 Fisher
May 14 2013, 10:41PM
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geno wrote:

who's the college guy in the picture?

Did he ask about the college guy when there is clearly an amazing blonde with no name to discuss? WOW, mistake.

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#35 Dutchscooter
May 14 2013, 10:41PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

Look here Dutchscooter.... I that's even you're real name?

When do we ever play just 48 games??? Except lockout?

Lets pay 4 underachiever defenseman 27 mill and not make the playoffs ?

Shea Weber is world class!! Who wouldn't pay Shea Weber anything he pleases.

Dutchscooter... You're mindset is just like Kevin Lowe.. Think outside the box! Preds have listened to trade offers for Weber before.

No, I'm using my brain.

Weber got a $13M signing bonus + $1M salary for 48 games this year + $13M bonus due July 1, which is also the earliest date Nashville could trade him. That equals $27M for 48 games.

Don't get me wrong, if MacT can twist David Poile's arm to trade for Weber, I'd jump for joy.

But reality is, no owner is going to shell out that much money just to trade him away for someone's spare parts.

BTW, if you DO know someone willing to pay $27M for that, I'm available most weekends!

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#36 Walter Sobchak
May 14 2013, 10:42PM
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Chilli Dog wrote:

Free agency.......garbage. Shea Weber....great D but massive overpayment. Trade options.....Yandle should be the target. Phoenix has defensive depth but is challenged on the front end so it' s a perfect match. The package could include the 1st rounder, Hemsky, Omark and a prospect D (say one of the Martin's). IMO it's a slight overpayment but what good are assets if you're not going to use them.

Yandle seems like an ideal target.

PHX is cash straped and wont want a lot of salary coming back.

I dont think you need a first, I also think you might have to give something better then Hemsky and Omark.

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#37 T__Bone88
May 14 2013, 10:43PM
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@Walter Sobchak

Not every team spends to cap. I believe out of those four players Stewart,Shattenkirk,Berglund and Pietrangelo one or possibly two will be traded. Highly doubtful Pietrangelo gets traded but the other three can be and if not Backes. St. Louis is looking at close to 15-20 million added on if they re-signed all those four guys which is a lot for a team that is on a budget.

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#38 HardBoiledOil
May 14 2013, 10:44PM
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Chilli Dog wrote:

Free agency.......garbage. Shea Weber....great D but massive overpayment. Trade options.....Yandle should be the target. Phoenix has defensive depth but is challenged on the front end so it' s a perfect match. The package could include the 1st rounder, Hemsky, Omark and a prospect D (say one of the Martin's). IMO it's a slight overpayment but what good are assets if you're not going to use them.

we might actually be desperate, but why should we show it to other teams by overpaying for Yandle or anyone else? 7th pick, Hemsky, Omark (meh), and Gernat or Marincin? i say no.

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#39 Walter Sobchak
May 14 2013, 10:44PM
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Dutchscooter wrote:

No, I'm using my brain.

Weber got a $13M signing bonus + $1M salary for 48 games this year + $13M bonus due July 1, which is also the earliest date Nashville could trade him. That equals $27M for 48 games.

Don't get me wrong, if MacT can twist David Poile's arm to trade for Weber, I'd jump for joy.

But reality is, no owner is going to shell out that much money just to trade him away for someone's spare parts.

BTW, if you DO know someone willing to pay $27M for that, I'm available most weekends!

He cant be moved until July 15th at the earliest.

If you read post 29 you'll know why Nashville will alomost certainly move Weber.

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#40 TV6
May 14 2013, 10:48PM
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@Dutchscooter

Why do people keep mentioning Shea Weber when the Preds cannot deal him until July 24th..? (Not July 1st or the 15th)

How can the Oil offer Music City a Draft deal when he can't be traded before that date..?

Sure, both Clubs could pull a dirty deal & the Oil could draft who the Preds want at #7 after they pick at #4, but that may be seriously looked at as Cap circumvention, & the penalty for that is hideous & viscous to be saddled with...

Get OVER the Weber Draft Day swaps... It's not going to happen...

~~~

And if anyone cares...

King Henrik & Quick are so far in another stratosphere from ANY other Tenders, that it's past of the point of BENT...

x6

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#41 Walter Sobchak
May 14 2013, 10:48PM
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T__Bone88 wrote:

Not every team spends to cap. I believe out of those four players Stewart,Shattenkirk,Berglund and Pietrangelo one or possibly two will be traded. Highly doubtful Pietrangelo gets traded but the other three can be and if not Backes. St. Louis is looking at close to 15-20 million added on if they re-signed all those four guys which is a lot for a team that is on a budget.

I don't think it will be close to that, STL needs to make the Playoffs, not to mention STL is close to being a true Cup contender.

STL will retain those players.

If you offer sheet the Blue's, they cfan turn around and do the same to the Oilers and with STL cap space do you really want to explore that?

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#42 Josh Oiler
May 14 2013, 10:50PM
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Dutchscooter wrote:

No, I'm using my brain.

Weber got a $13M signing bonus + $1M salary for 48 games this year + $13M bonus due July 1, which is also the earliest date Nashville could trade him. That equals $27M for 48 games.

Don't get me wrong, if MacT can twist David Poile's arm to trade for Weber, I'd jump for joy.

But reality is, no owner is going to shell out that much money just to trade him away for someone's spare parts.

BTW, if you DO know someone willing to pay $27M for that, I'm available most weekends!

Spare parts????? What spare parts?

Gags - 24 yrs Old 6yrs NHLer Musil - top prospect MPS - top prospect semi regular 21 yr old 7th overall pick Hemmer- the kicker

The Preds are in a world of hurt right now. Rebuild starting. Shea doesn't want nothing to do with that!

Dutchscooter (if that's even you're real name?) LONGEST PLAYOFF DROUGHT IN THE NHL?? What part of that don't you understand???

You may want to continue the next 3 years writing and reading these post in the comfort of you bedroom at mommies house (in may) while the Oilers keep watching playoffs at home.

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#43 Dutchscooter
May 14 2013, 10:52PM
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@Walter Sobchak

I agree that he will get traded, just not until they get some mileage out of the money they have already spent.

Say, after next year but before any bonus is paid.

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#44 Josh Oiler
May 14 2013, 10:56PM
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Dutchscooter wrote:

I agree that he will get traded, just not until they get some mileage out of the money they have already spent.

Say, after next year but before any bonus is paid.

Yeah I think Dutchscooter is sniffing glue. He doesn't know hockey- hockey politics or hockey economics.

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#45 Dutchscooter
May 14 2013, 11:03PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

Yeah I think Dutchscooter is sniffing glue. He doesn't know hockey- hockey politics or hockey economics.

I'm sorry, I can't hear your petty, schoolboy comments. I must have Kevin Lowe's Stanley Cup rings in my ears.

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#46 Hisam Saleh
May 14 2013, 11:07PM
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@Dutchscooter

Josh Oiler is one of the greatest hockey minds on any threads/posts on any hockey website in the world.

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#47 madjam
May 14 2013, 11:07PM
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DSF wrote:

I've been around the world...several times.

While good teams build from the back end out and down the middle...the Oilers have been drafting a bunch of wingers. The easiest players to find.

Stupid.

The Oilers have 3...count em...3 NHL quality defensemen.

Even middling teams like the Maple Leafs have 7.

Centres?

Two...and one of them has huge deficiencies.

Dumb.

Maybe the next three years they'll do it your way ? Certainly has not worked Oilers way to date . Happen to agree with your assessment , but I would have taken at least Hall . Eberle was a calculated risk that turned out well - not a fluke . Club has had 3-4 years to makeover the defence and centers with little to no progression by draft or trade - unacceptable . Goalies are also still up in the air . Not a very good or efficient rebuild no doubt . Room for improvement , I don't think it can continue to get worse or remain the same .

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#48 Josh Oiler
May 14 2013, 11:10PM
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Dutchscooter wrote:

I'm sorry, I can't hear your petty, schoolboy comments. I must have Kevin Lowe's Stanley Cup rings in my ears.

Why are you copying Patrick Roy?

Do u know Kevin Lowe? Did he really lend you his 6 rings?

And if he did, why would u have them in your ears?

And how could you fit all six in your ears. Those rings are really large?

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#49 Maggie the Monkey
May 14 2013, 11:13PM
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DSF, who do you think Edmonton should have taken with the first overall picks in 2010, 2011, and 2012?

From where I sit, the right calls were made with Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and Yakupov, even this early in their young careers. Rather than discount or argue with your statements in this post I'd rather that you clarify what your choices would have been as G.M.

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#50 Chilli Dog
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HardBoiledOil wrote:

we might actually be desperate, but why should we show it to other teams by overpaying for Yandle or anyone else? 7th pick, Hemsky, Omark (meh), and Gernat or Marincin? i say no.

Lets see.....30th, 30th,29th, and 24th. I thnk that it's pretty clear the Oilers are desperate (and the rest of the league knows it). Yandle get's the team 50+ points, 23 minutes a night, is only 27 and is signed for another 2 years. We get rid of dead weight and prospects and don't touch our core.

Phase 2 is a gritty forward in free agency....my vote is Horton (although Clarkson's also an option.

1st line - Horton, Nuge, Eb's 2nd line - Hall, Gag's, Yak 3rd line - MPS, Horcoff, Jones 4th line - whatever

1st D - Yandle, Petry 2nd D - Smid, JS 3rd D - NS, Fistric (or Potter)

Goalie - Duby, ABK (anyone but Khabybullin).

It's not there yet but it's getting closer.

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