A PINCH OF SIN

Lowetide
May 19 2013 09:37PM

The Edmonton Oilers are going to be very active this summer. The goal? The return of the kind of craziness that caused this fellow to fly to Rexall from Vancouver and spend two bills on beer. How do we get there?

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX

So far this spring, we've discussed every word spoken by Oiler management, traded all the picks and all the prospects and pretty much everyone not named Taylor, baby Nuge, Ebs, Yak City and Schultz the younger.

And with all due respect to you and me (I'm quite fond of us), none of the stuff we've talked about amounts to a tinker's dam

What does matter? Two things: the Oilers--led by new GM Craig MacTavish--definition of what "team" looks like, and the price to be paid in order to acquire the things required to make things go.

WE LOOK FOR THINGS THAT MAKE US GO 

If we make a list of things we believe the Oilers need--my list is a skill LW who can score 20+ goals, a top pairing defender, a 4line C and a good backup goalie, but your mileage may vary--it would be imperfect because it's our list. The list that matters is the Oilers' list.

When Craig MacTavish says "three small players with similar skill sets seldom create the synergy that you need to have a dominant line" is he talking about Gagner, Yakupov, Hemsky? I absolutely KNOW he doesn't mean that the Oilers should slam JF Jacques onto the top line, holy hell that's just never going to happen again.

When Craig MacTavish says "the good thing is we don’t need to add the high-end skill, we need the complementary pieces now. I know those pieces are easier to come by. They’re still difficult, but they’re easier to come by" that's fabulous and I agree. Does that mean the Oilers are going to bring in some Mike Peca's and some Denis Grebeshkov's or does it mean that we should expect Boyd Gordon and Mark Streit? Or MAYBE MacT is doing a counter trey, telling us one thing while secretly planning on flying Shea Weber into town on July 25th?

THE COUNTER TREY

Here's what we know. Edmonton has the following assets of value:

  • The kids, considered unmovable. This would include Hall, Nuge, Ebs, Yak, Schultz the younger.
  • The first round pick, considered movable.
  • Some, not a lot, of available money. About $6.5M depending on which players are moved out.
  • Some, not a lot, of attractive roster players who could be sent away for value in return. We might include Sam Gagner, Magnus Paajarvi, Jeff Petry, or we might not include them.
  • The 2014 1st round pick, and if they offer sheet (another option) then maybe the second round and third round pick too. Before you post the Oilers don't have that 3rd rounder, it was a 4th rd pick that went to Toronto for Mike Brown.
  • Any and all veterans who might have some value to other teams. ANY and ALL veterans.
  • Draft picks of various value for MacT to trade for the "right" to talk to soon to be UFA's like David Clarkson. Say MacT deals a "conditional" 3rd to NJD that turns into a 2014 1st rd pick should he sign in Edmonton long term. That kind of thing.
  • Prospects in OKC and below.

Those are the assets I can think of, and if you can add to the list please do (I learned long ago that there's always one more that someone smarter than me can think of--but please wait a few minutes, allow me that much!).

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

There's not much we can do after that but wait, discuss amongst ourselves, worry, fret, have a few wobbly pops and stare at this young woman.

  • John Muckler: "I always say it's like baking a cake. It's not only flour and sugar in a cake, there are other ingredients. You'd better have toughness, you'd better have skill, you'd better be mentally tough and you have to have character, or you're not going to be a champion. You've got to be able to play through injuries, you've got to be able to play your best hockey when things are going against you and you have to have the ability to hold everything together until that momentum switches and comes your way."

We don't know--not exactly--the ingredients, and we don't know what order MacT wants to add them into the mix, and whether it's a dollop or a bushel that needs to be added in each case.

We do know it's his mix.

I can tell you that I believe Ales Hemsky is gone, that Sam Gagner's return depends on the signing number he's willing to accept, that we're going to see a stronger group at center and that all of the defensemen are going to be skaters. I can tell you that I believe we might see some surprising signings like Denis Grebeshkov, and I can say that my beloved three-for-one trade is at hand.

ALL OF THAT is my reading of this situation mixed in with my own bias. You no doubt have your own reading, your own list--and that verbal has as much value as mine. I invite you to share, and when the whip comes down I'll review and compare. I don't know what we'll do for bragging rights, but am open to suggestions.

It's going to be a helluva summer.

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#1 Reg Dunlop
May 19 2013, 09:59PM
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Man, your faith in oil mgmt. astounds me. I see another Belanger/Eager signing at best; it will look good on paper but won't pan out as expected. If the oil are going to climb the standings it is up to Hall and the kids to lead the way or we continue walking around aimlessly out of the playoffs.

I like cake but I won't eat any that Muckler made if he uses toughness instead of eggs.

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#2 Jeffff
May 19 2013, 09:59PM
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Can't win with two soft centers at #1 and #2. Sean Monahan could make it easier to trade Gagner. Although Monahan if Oilers got him is 2 years away +

Every year I think there will be changes very little happens. Probably a quiet summer.

Also can't fix everything in 1 year.

I hope they get Monahan he seems like a perfect fit for the Oilers. If not Zadorov sounds like he could be high risk high reward pick.

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#3 Brewster
May 19 2013, 10:03PM
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I'm not sure what Mac T will do either. I love the idea of Clarkson coming over but you would have to bring another similar style player to come as well. And how many conditional drafts are you actually willing to give up? Or better yet if they are made how many will go in your favour?

I believe that there will be changes. Ales is goin to go to St Louis or New York for God only knows. Bigger, meaner but not nesisarrealy better point wise. Ganger will be let go to, not because he's under performing or lacking in some way either then size and affordability, he won't be cheap.

In my realistic wish list it would be Dubinsky at center rotating with Horcoff for that number two center because Mac T would never get rid of him. Koponka at fourth line center because of his ability I win face offs and enforce. And maybe a Hanzus type. That's all I really can think will happen at most. Why because they are plausible returns for the assets that you have. I hope more happens then that for the better but this is my take.

Keep in mind I never said anything about this years pick. A bigger move can be made puttin that into play, but it's seventh pick not first or third so keep expectations realistic.

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#4 Smokey
May 19 2013, 10:03PM
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Other then some interesting comments made by MacT why are so sure Ales Hemsky is gone? What are.we going get for him, cap relief. I imagine if you give up his contract your taking some.back, and is the return going to be any better then just keeping him? What was our record after he got injured. I recall being in reasonable position then going into suckfest. The Oilers historically and catagorically stink massively without Hemsky. My opinion is this one of Hemsky or Gagner is gone. Gagner is fine scorer, but his days at center should be limited. I'd deal Gagner and maybe sonething for another top 10 pick. I don't see Hemsky fetching anything, and frankly if you are going to have Hemsky or Gagner rocking the wing, its a toss up to me.

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#5 Josh Oiler
May 19 2013, 10:19PM
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Mark Streit .... Mark Streit ..... Mark Streit....

A leader.... A savvy VETEREN!! ... Awesome TOI overal defenseman!!

That will fix the defense especially with Schultz another year under his belt.

NOW WHERE DO WE GET A MILAN LUCIC OR TWO???????

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#6 Hisam Saleh
May 19 2013, 10:22PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

Mark Streit .... Mark Streit ..... Mark Streit....

A leader.... A savvy VETEREN!! ... Awesome TOI overal defenseman!!

That will fix the defense especially with Schultz another year under his belt.

NOW WHERE DO WE GET A MILAN LUCIC OR TWO???????

How about Boston?

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#7 Thinker
May 19 2013, 10:29PM
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Watched the skill level of the playoff, then looked at our new division next year. Haven't stopped drinking since. I see more losing on the horizon, and I've been optimistic from the start. Call me in 2015 when playoffs are a legitimate probablility, not this 8-10 crap. Reality blows, let me back into fantasyland with the rest of the oilers faithful.

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#8 Jason Sensation
May 19 2013, 10:30PM
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Darren Pang via TSN noted once that (Jerome Iginla not far fetched could/maybe) signing with home team Oilers!!!

If he did that.... Let me be the first to say... He is no longer Flames Alumni.. Flames fans will hate him forever. But he would look awesome in Oiler silks # 12

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#9 Josh Oiler
May 19 2013, 10:34PM
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I truly believe #7 overall + Sammy Gags + a prospect would be enough to pry Shea Weber out of Polies grasp in Nashville.

Worth a try???

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#10 OilersAreAwesome14
May 19 2013, 10:42PM
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1st line: The kid line- it's good 2nd line: Hemsky (Moves somewhere)Upgrades: Clowe, B.Morrow-Gagner (Depends on the money that he wants) Upgrades: Kesler, Barkov, Monahan- Yakuopov stays 3rd line: Paajarvi stays-Horcoff stays if we have enough cap space Upgrade: Handzus-Jones(Released to the free agents) Upgrades: Clarkson, Bickell 4th line: Petrell stays-Belanger(goes somewhere or gets dumped in OKC) Upgrade: Hendricks- Brown stays

1st pair: N.Schultz (Demoted to the 3rd pair) Upgrades: Streit, Smid gets moved up here,Edler-J.Schultz stays 2nd pair: Smid( Moves up to the 1st pairing or stays)-Petry stays 3rd pair: Whitney goes Upgrades: Ference, or N. Schultz getting demoted-Fistric goes or stays as a #7 D-man Upgrades: Ference

Goalies: Dubnyk stays either a starter or a backup Khabibulin retires-Upgrades: Smith, Bernier, Miller (LOL!!!)

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#11 Josh Oiler
May 19 2013, 11:03PM
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OilersAreAwesome14 wrote:

1st line: The kid line- it's good 2nd line: Hemsky (Moves somewhere)Upgrades: Clowe, B.Morrow-Gagner (Depends on the money that he wants) Upgrades: Kesler, Barkov, Monahan- Yakuopov stays 3rd line: Paajarvi stays-Horcoff stays if we have enough cap space Upgrade: Handzus-Jones(Released to the free agents) Upgrades: Clarkson, Bickell 4th line: Petrell stays-Belanger(goes somewhere or gets dumped in OKC) Upgrade: Hendricks- Brown stays

1st pair: N.Schultz (Demoted to the 3rd pair) Upgrades: Streit, Smid gets moved up here,Edler-J.Schultz stays 2nd pair: Smid( Moves up to the 1st pairing or stays)-Petry stays 3rd pair: Whitney goes Upgrades: Ference, or N. Schultz getting demoted-Fistric goes or stays as a #7 D-man Upgrades: Ference

Goalies: Dubnyk stays either a starter or a backup Khabibulin retires-Upgrades: Smith, Bernier, Miller (LOL!!!)

I want whatever this guy is smoking!!!

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#12 SrCain
May 19 2013, 11:16PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

I want whatever this guy is smoking!!!

That's funny considering you "truly believe we can get weber for gagner and the 7th" Ill take what your smoking instead.

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#13 Walter Sobchak
May 19 2013, 11:27PM
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Jeffff wrote:

Can't win with two soft centers at #1 and #2. Sean Monahan could make it easier to trade Gagner. Although Monahan if Oilers got him is 2 years away +

Every year I think there will be changes very little happens. Probably a quiet summer.

Also can't fix everything in 1 year.

I hope they get Monahan he seems like a perfect fit for the Oilers. If not Zadorov sounds like he could be high risk high reward pick.

This^

If I may add, Monahan is a late B-day meaning he's been in the OHL for 3 years now.

all scouting reports I have read and listening to Craig Button on Stauffer show all say this kid is ready.

My other wish list would include Dubinsky on the LW......NOT Grebeshkov!!

Like Jefff said, this gives you more options moving forward with Gagner.

Trade for Yandel

stay the hell away from a 37 year old D-man...smells of Khabibulin all over that.

Wait until the buyouts start and pick up a UFA or two to fill the bottom.

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#14 Oilers4ever
May 19 2013, 11:42PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

I truly believe #7 overall + Sammy Gags + a prospect would be enough to pry Shea Weber out of Polies grasp in Nashville.

Worth a try???

Arguably the best dman in the league (Karlsson is up there) and you are offering first overall pick that no matter who it is will likely be two plus years away from playing, Gagner (who has not proved consistency year in and year out yet numbers wise) and a prospect? Not a hope in HE Double Hockey Sticks... add at least next years first overall pick and one more prospect.. Weber is that good. If you want him you better be ready to pay for him. What you offered doesnt address filling the gap Weber would leave in Nashville. I am all for Weber playing here though.. That would be awesome. :)

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#15 David S
May 19 2013, 11:59PM
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Mackinnon over at the Journal is saying Hemsky's gone.

Shift Gagner to the wing and get your 2LC by trading Hemsky (and paying half his salary next year) plus that 7th pick (which is easily 2 years away from making any impact on a team that needs improvement now).

Keepers on the bottom six: Horcoff, PRV, Lander (maybe) and Harti (maybe again).

The real overhaul needs to be done on the bottom six, although like MacT says, they're easier to acquire.

Then all we need is two solid D-man and a NHL caliber goalie to push Dubnyk.

Yeah uhhh...holy crap that's alot of work.

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#16 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 20 2013, 12:04AM
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As previously mentioned, this summer of high expectation will go out with a whimper. Kevin Lowe's still in charge here. I see a carbon copy of nothing but B players being brought in like 2 yrs ago with Eager, Belanger, Barker ,Hordichuk and Smyth. Bringing in all these 7-12 minute a night role players is the last thing the Oilers need. Till i see a 20+ minute a night difference maker added to this team, it's all lipstick on a pig again this coming season.

Smyth, Belanger, Horcoff, Hemsky, all with guaranteed contracts going into this coming season. With that in mind, it'll be a couple mini minute muncher deals at the most.

No wonder Katz moved to Vancouver, who wouldn't want to put some distance between himself and his laughing stock team.

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#17 Jonathan Willis
May 20 2013, 12:17AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

I truly believe #7 overall + Sammy Gags + a prospect would be enough to pry Shea Weber out of Polies grasp in Nashville.

Worth a try???

Since four first round picks weren't enough to pry Shea Weber away millions and millions ago, why on earth would you truly believe that?

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#18 oilers4
May 20 2013, 12:23AM
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Regardless of what MacT does, we're not winning a championship next year. Now is not the time to get the "yips" and start making hasty decisions. I absolutely hate the idea of trading down in the draft - it's never worked before. Monahan would be my pick if he is still around, but if he's gone I would be happy to have a Nurse fall into our lap. We need a big, stud defenseman and I think he would fit the bill. Imagine in 2-3 years a defense consisting of young Schultz, Klefbom, Marincin, Smid, Petry and Nurse. Adding a Streit or Andrew Ference this summer would be a nice upgrade on the back end. Up front forget Clarkson because he's too expensive and those contracts never seem to work out. I would rather save $4M and go for a Kyle Chipchura as your hard working grinder with grit type. A Boyd Gordon type would make a good 4th line centre and we need one of Bickell or Stahlberg. I also think they will take Comrie or Jarry in the 2nd round depending if one is still available.

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#19 Semenko and Troy
May 20 2013, 12:24AM
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I’ll have a go. (Forwards only)

Target Stephen Weiss and Nathan Horton together. Reuniting the two buddies from their Florida days may be incentive enough for them to consider Edmonton. Look at offering a three or four year term. Go after Bickell as the physical LW and Lapierre as a RW/C

Draft Lindholm if available (based on skating ability) or Monahan and play him with Yak and PRV.

Find another hungry LW to play on the fourth line (I like Roussel from Dallas), and force Hartikainen and Brown to compete for their spots.

These moves of course necessitate buying out Horcoff and moving Gagner and Hemsky along with the other bottom six dreck who need to go.

Hall-RNH-Eberle

Bickell-Weiss-Horton

PRV-Lindhom-Yak

Roussel-Lander-Lapierre

Brown

Hartikainen

Still a bit slight up the middle, but more skilled ‘grit’ and size on the wings.

Weiss can ably fill the veteran centre role for a few years until Lindholm and Lander are both ready to step up and fill the 2/3 slots respectively.

If Weiss can recapture the chemistry he had with Horton in Florida, then we have the mythical 3 scoring lines with an able and physical fourth line.

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#20 Eddie Shore
May 20 2013, 12:28AM
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Monahan is not a proven NHL player. I think some people on this site need to take a step back and remember this. I dont want any more 18/19 year olds making this team unless they legit earn their place. Banking on Monahan to do this is a stretch at this point I think.

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#21 Louche so
May 20 2013, 12:57AM
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Every time I watch the Rangers, I think that they really need to add a skilled forward. Give them the choice of Gagner or Hemsky. I'd like to see Brian Boyle come back as part of a package. With Brassard playing well, I thinke the Rangers can give up a centre.

Adding Boyle would allow the Oil to buyout Horc. Then spend that 5 mill cap hit saved chasing Bozak or Weiss.

Best centre depth we've had in years.

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#22 Klima's Mullet
May 20 2013, 02:54AM
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Lowetide...we've been waiting five years for this 3 for 1. Do you really think it's possible?

From the Edmonton Sun on June 4, 2008:

"I think there's potential there that we could conceivably do a three-for-one type deal that would make sense for us where we bring in a (high-end forward). In the past we've generally traded one-for-three. Now we have an opportunity to do the opposite. But these are all good players we're talking about, so it would have to be somebody exceptional coming in." —Edmonton Oilers head coach and all around head busta Craig MacTavish (in a blog from Wayne)

This is also around the time they let Glencross walk because he wanted "Robert Nilsson" money. I will wait and see with MacT.

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#23 OilLeak
May 20 2013, 02:55AM
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"The 2014 1st round pick, and if they offer sheet (another option) then maybe the second round and third round pick too. Before you post the Oilers don't have that 3rd rounder, it was a 4th rd pick that went to Toronto for Mike Brown."

LT, I'm pretty sure the Oilers traded the 2013 3rd round pick for Fistric.

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#24 Rocket
May 20 2013, 03:18AM
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More shea Weber trade proposals?

Welcome to Webernation everybody!

(Come on in DSF, the water's fine)

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#25 Rocket
May 20 2013, 03:23AM
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I've seen some chatter around the interwebs about teams wanting Clarkson. I wonder if he would choose The Oilers over a contending team?

I bet he would then be an overpay & The Oilers cannot afford to keep doing that. I mean, that cap space doesn't fill its self right?

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#26 Walter Sobchak
May 20 2013, 04:10AM
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People need to stop with the Clarkson - Horton - high priced UFA's crap.

First, Hortons wife is a playboy playmate, can you see her in E-Town winters? Nope!

Clarksons wife is from NYC, his children were born in NYC, I'm going to throw this out there but I'm guessing as a UFA Clarkson A) signs back with NJD. B) slides over to NYR C) one burrow over into Brooklyn. D) as an outside chance moves to T.O

The Oilers need to concentrate on payers under contract with term!

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#27 Walter Sobchak
May 20 2013, 04:57AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

Since four first round picks weren't enough to pry Shea Weber away millions and millions ago, why on earth would you truly believe that?

plus, this years first is a non-starter.

The draft is in June, Weber can't be traded until middle of July.

However, and I agree with a lot of what you wrote about Weber, With the finacial status of the Predators, I just can't see them able to afford to keep Weber and be competitive, I think something has to give there.

I still think he will be dealt by August.

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#28 bwar
May 20 2013, 06:52AM
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I would like to see what sort of trade could be worked out with Philadelphia. You would think that they might be open to a big trade after their disappointing season. We have Gagner, Hemsky and the #7 to dangle in front of them and they have several players that I think the Oilers would be very happy obtaining (Simmonds, Couturier, Coburn or one of the Schenn's). Now I have no clue if Philly would even be will to trade any of those players but I think that there is some potential there for a deal or some sort.

As far as free agency goes, I really have the feeling that there are going to be some very over paid third liners being considered the big grabs of the free agency blitz. With the way that the Oilers salary cap is shaping up for the next few years, I really don't think the Oilers can overextend themselves trying to acquire major pieces in free agency. While I would like to see the Oilers get Clarkson, at 4-5 mill I just don't think we can afford him for anything more than one season.

Unless a big trade lands, I think we could be in for a rather quiet off season.

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#30 madjam
May 20 2013, 07:42AM
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Lecavalier , Ohlund , and swap of first round picks with Tampa for Horcoff and Hemsky .

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#31 Sliderule
May 20 2013, 07:51AM
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What the oilers do will depend on who and how many are bought out.

While the MacT may not want to sign a buyout there could be twenty or more out there competing for jobs.As a result the oilers may be able to sneak in and sign a couple of UFAs that will meet their needs without giving up assets.

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#32 OilDude
May 20 2013, 07:51AM
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@Josh Oiler

Except Nashville can't trade Weber until July 26,so you cant use the 7 pick.

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#33 Romulus' Apotheosis
May 20 2013, 07:53AM
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Matty (with help from Button) saying Hemsky is gone... but on the condition we eat half his salary and don't even get the Cogliano return (a 2nd)

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Hockey+World+Ales+Hemsky+days+Edmonton/8407920/story.html

Now... I'm an avowed Hemsky fan... but I can't imagine even his most ardent detractors advocating this... why would you trade a guy for basically nothing... the only return appears to be a middling pick and 2.5 M cap space...

I'd rather ice a very good hockey player....

LT...

great STNG episode... they almost lost Geordie!

those crafty stupid people! damn them!

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#34 Jeffff
May 20 2013, 07:59AM
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Take a look at Logan Couture and how long it took him to get to the NHL, the coach of Ottawa says Logan and Monahan are similar.

Monahan will need time to step into the NHL. Edmonton might bring him in too soon and ruin him but that is another story.

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#35 The Beaker
May 20 2013, 08:27AM
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Jeffff wrote:

Take a look at Logan Couture and how long it took him to get to the NHL, the coach of Ottawa says Logan and Monahan are similar.

Monahan will need time to step into the NHL. Edmonton might bring him in too soon and ruin him but that is another story.

Except theres no saying Couture couldnt have made it sooner. Its just that SJ isnt incapable of keeping prospects down in the AHL for development time.

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#36 Klima's Mullet
May 20 2013, 08:28AM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

Matty (with help from Button) saying Hemsky is gone... but on the condition we eat half his salary and don't even get the Cogliano return (a 2nd)

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Hockey+World+Ales+Hemsky+days+Edmonton/8407920/story.html

Now... I'm an avowed Hemsky fan... but I can't imagine even his most ardent detractors advocating this... why would you trade a guy for basically nothing... the only return appears to be a middling pick and 2.5 M cap space...

I'd rather ice a very good hockey player....

LT...

great STNG episode... they almost lost Geordie!

those crafty stupid people! damn them!

I agree with you 100%...Tyler Dellow is having twitter rage over the article...if we can't get anything or him then we should keep him til the trade deadline or beyond

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#37 Sledhed
May 20 2013, 08:33AM
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I think you all are forgetting something about this draft. Monahan will NOT be available at 8! The Flamers know we need a centre, they also need a centre! You can do the math. If by some chance Feaster has another brain fart and goes off the board for his first pick, and Monahan is still there, then do it. Otherwise IMO MacT trades down for a Clarkson type player. And I hate to say it, but Gags will be too expensive this year, even though he is exactly the type of player we need on this team! No fear, sticks up for his team, and gets better every year! Also I say if we can get Weber here fora package, then DO IT!!! We believe in you MacT!!!

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#38 Oiler J
May 20 2013, 08:39AM
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First off, Clarkson will not sign here. He either goes to Toronto, or the East Coast somewhere. Secondly, we need a Mike Rupp type of player for the fourth line. Dude scares people, wins face offs, and will protect his teammates!!! Watch his highlights from the last game of the season this year. Oh yeah, and he's not expensive...

We absolutely need a top 4, or top 2 Dman. A Yandle, or someone like that. We also need another 6/7, who is proven in this league. And why is Yakupov "untradeable"? Gotta give to get, and this might be the asking price.

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#40 Sledhed
May 20 2013, 08:44AM
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Matty (with help from Button) saying Hemsky is gone... but on the condition we eat half his salary and don't even get the Cogliano return (a 2nd)

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Hockey+World+Ales+Hemsky+days+Edmonton/8407920/story.html

Now... I'm an avowed Hemsky fan... but I can't imagine ever his most ardent detractors advocating this... why would you trade a guy for basically nothing... the only return appears to be a middling pick and 2.5 M cap space...

I'd rather ice a very good hockey player....

LT...

great STNG episode... they almost lost Geordie!

those crafty stupid people! damn them!

I for one am ready to trade Hemmer! I am tired of seeing his lack of strength , lack of will, no battle in the corner, giveaways, and bad penalties. Get what we can for him now and improve as the season goes!

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#41 Sledhed
May 20 2013, 08:51AM
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@Lowetide

Sorry, you are right about 7th. But flames will take that pick 9 out of ten times. I hope the Oilers Management can bring some fried chicken to distract Feaster long enough to mess up that pick. Monahan would be perfect for the Oil!

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#42 Romulus' Apotheosis
May 20 2013, 08:53AM
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Klima's Mullet wrote:

I agree with you 100%...Tyler Dellow is having twitter rage over the article...if we can't get anything or him then we should keep him til the trade deadline or beyond

It's time's like this that I regret my ludite-status.

so much hockey happens on the twitters now... got to get me some of that.

good to see others miffed by that article.

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#44 Romulus' Apotheosis
May 20 2013, 08:55AM
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Lowetide wrote:

Rom: Love that episode. It kept me going during the Tambellini era. :-)

Sledhed: Oilers pick 7th.

There's an idea for your RE series down the road...

STNG episode themes, episode or characters!

might take a lot of work though...

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#45 Romulus' Apotheosis
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@Sledhed

"I for one am ready to trade Hemmer! I am tired of seeing his lack of strength , lack of will, no battle in the corner, giveaways, and bad penalties. Get what we can for him now and improve as the season goes!"

I get that many of us share this sentiment... but it is wildly out of sync with reality on all counts.

And throwing away value because of an idiosyncratic distaste for a player is what horrible GMs do.

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#46 Tony Montana
May 20 2013, 09:01AM
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Lecavalier , Ohlund , and swap of first round picks with Tampa for Horcoff and Hemsky .

If people think Horcoff has a bad contract they should look at Vinnies. I wouldnt take on that contract on. Especially with what we have historically seen happen to players production when they leave the SE division. Maybe if Tampa buys him out I would look at him but until 2020 on that contract...no way.

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#47 Woogie63
May 20 2013, 09:07AM
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We are too far down the line of building a team that is made up from smaller, fast, skilled players. It will take 5 years and LOTS of luck to build this team into a big hard hitting LAK type team, and they were lucky Holmgren lost his mind and let Richards and Carter go.

We need the courage to let go of the past, Horcoff, Smyth, Khabbie, Schultz, Potter, Belanger, Whitney. Lowe.

Commit to a full season (it could not be much worse than the last year years)

Hartikanen ( big winger ) 2nd line and 2nd PP Pitlick (big, fast, but need to teach him to go tough spot), 3rd line, PK Lander 3rd line and PK Fedun, 3rd paring, 2nd PK Marchin (sp) 4-5-6-7 dman Tuebert 5-6-7 dman

Trade any combination of hemsky, 1st picks, Jones, the above list to get

1) a Defenseman from WASHINGTION (Green, Alzner, Carlson) or 2) Dion from TML 3) servicable 20 game back up goalie

Then ride the wave we are still 2-3 years away from a legit shot at the cup.

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#48 sledhed
May 20 2013, 09:07AM
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I actually would give Eager another shot on the big team. Belanger can go, Hemsky too. He will light it up for the first year, but I'm ok with that. Once he gets comfortable with a team he will go back to floating around like he does here. Not sure about the draft pick yet, as Calgary will take our guy, and everyone and their dog is gonna be bidding for Clarkson, so he is out. What about Elias?? also Yandle, Bickell(Chi), and I would even take a flyer on Lecavalier, because he will surely be bought out.

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#49 merfer
May 20 2013, 09:17AM
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Since it sounds like we are going to have to eat part of his salary why don't we trade Hemsky and our 7th pick to Carolina for their 5th pick and maybe a 4th or 5th round pick. Then we could get Monahan or even Barkov. Carolina doesn't need a center and might be willing to go down a couple of places and get a defenceman that they want.

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#50 Jeffff
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The Beaker wrote:

Except theres no saying Couture couldnt have made it sooner. Its just that SJ isnt incapable of keeping prospects down in the AHL for development time.

By plan or not SJ did the right thing.

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