2013 DRAFT TAKES: POSSIBLE OILERS

Lowetide
May 02 2013 09:35PM

There's a chance that the "top level" forwards will be gone by the time Stu MacGregor and the Edmonton Oilers step to the podium at the 2013 draft. If so, where do they go? Reach for a lesser forward? Pick a defenseman (like Darnell Nurse, in video)? Trade down?

In his time away from the Oilers, Craig MacTavish no doubt saw a few interesting things he'll bring to the procurement table this summer for the Oilers. A recent Terry Jones article contained a couple of MacT quotes that got me thinking:

  • MacT: “We’re definitely going to look at doing something with that pick. I think we’d be very receptive to moving back and picking up another pick potentially."
  • More MacT: “It’s a very deep draft in my mind. There are tons of players out there who excite me. Or possibly we could pick up somebody that could help us immediately and another pick.”

The Oilers have moved up in the draft (dealt two picks to move up for Riley Nash) and moved down (dealt the Zack Parise pick for Pouliot and Jacques) with results that could be described as "infamous" and remain understated; however, with the club already owning their jacks and kings, perhaps this plan allows them to improve depth.

Personally, the only way I can see it happening is if the following players come off the board 1-6:

  1. Seth Jones
  2. Nathan MacKinnon
  3. Jonathan Drouin
  4. Slava Barkov
  5. Sean Monahan
  6. Elias Lindholm

Should that happen, Edmonton would be left with an abundance of blue (Nurse, Risto Ristolainen, Nikita Zadorov) but perhaps a bit of a gap between those six forwards and the next level (Nichushkin, who may fall due to contract and performance concerns, Hunter Shinkaruk, Max Domi, Curtis Lazar).

THE SOLUTION?

Just thinking out loud, but maybe you deal #7 overall to Winnipeg for #13 and #43. If Curtis Lazar (above) is still there, the Oilers continue the Oil King caravan of tough, physical players. The club would have no need to push him into immediate action, rather allowing him to mature in the WHL--something that paid dividends with Jordan Eberle.

AND WITH THE EXTRA PICK?

The Oilers received good value (so far) from the BCJHL last season when selecting Jujhar Khaira from the Prince George Spruce Kings. He had a fine season at Michigan Tech and is one of the best 'forwards with size' among the organization's prospects.

Although it might be awkward, the Oilers could use that second round selection on Adam Tambellini of the Surrey Eagles. He's on his way to North Dakota (NCAA), so there's no worry about him needing to be signed any time soon. He's also an emerging power forward--this article has him currently at 6.02, 205--and has a scorer's touch.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

History tells us selecting defensemen at the top of the draft rarely results in true value. If the Oilers don't feel it's wise to use the 7th overall pick on a defender, perhaps trading down is the right call.

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#51 pelhem grenville
May 03 2013, 05:26AM
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Jasmine wrote:

Why is there so much hate for Curtis Lazar. In the Draft Preview in THN, Lazar is ranked at #9. Wouldn't much of a reach if Oilers took him at #7.

...there you go with the 'hate' thing again ...

wtf girl ... you got horns and a pointy tail 2?

...give me Monohan or give me death...no more Dmen to wait for please no more of those...

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#52 striker777
May 03 2013, 05:55AM
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Naky wrote:

The Oilers definitely have the Yakupov factor when it comes to Nichushkin. For those who view the KHL contract as a negative, try possibly to look at it this way - he'll be developing further in one of the top men's leagues in the world and he'll be making good enough money to soothe any money concerns he may be having in setting up his family, so leaving for that entry level contract that could turn into AHL money if he isn't ready (shouldn't) be as big a concern for him by then is it wouldn't be for any other player without that opportunity. By then, the Yak will be older, wiser in the ways of the NHL, and far more comfortable in North America to play as an excellent example/mentor for him too.

I suppose the only negative is that he will not be a player we can use right now - but then, there's no guarantee that any other player picked at 7th would be too. Kadri took a while and he was picked in that range. Worked out in the end though!

The smart thing after drafting Nichushkin would be to release Yakupov to play in WJC. These 2 players would likely play on the same line. Yes, we'd lose Nail for a few games, but he just might influence Nichushkin to come to NA a year earlier. I am not 100% sure how this Early Exit clause works in KHL contracts.

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#53 Curcro
May 03 2013, 06:05AM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

It doesn't take a jeanyus to find the reason why we're in this mess. It's the very poor drafting outside of the first round these last 5 yrs. If someone else isn't doing scoutings homework for them (lotto BPA) they fall short virtually everytime.

If there's one thing we've learned about Stu MacGregor the last five years. Magnificent couldn't be further from the truth. How much longer can the Oilers continue to let these bozos run amateur scouting?

Watch these idiots trade that 7th for more fools gold.

The last 5 years 2nd round on picks are irrelevant mostly to the teams success.

Pittsburgh has gotten 6 games out of their later rounds picks and Vancouver has gotten 8 games out of theirs. Toronto which has been a similar status as Edmonton has used 44 games from those picks. Currently the Islanders are tops with 707 games from those players.

The Oilers sit 21st of 30 teams in use of late round picks in the NHL in the last 5 years.

So while the Oilers are not the best, they are certainly not the worst by a long shot. 21st can be improved on, it can also go worse.

Of course there is always the quality argument. But at this stage with most of these players playing in 1 maybe 2 seasons it is impossible to give a reasonable answer to that question.

It is definitely not THE REASON why we are in this mess. Maybe it does take a JEANYUS.

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#54 clyde
May 03 2013, 06:23AM
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OF17 wrote:

I think Hemsky could be a great fit there, and if you're retaining $2-3 million in the deal, trading for Hemsky and re-signing Horton wouldn't be mutually exclusive for Boston.

Lucic - Krejci - Hemsky Marchand - Bergeron - Seguin xxx - Kelly - Horton Paille - Campbell - Thornton

That's assuming that Peverley gets traded, and hopefully to us, for cap reasons.

Why would Boston even be remotely interested in Hemsky? There is a reason he has not been traded by now.

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#55 NewAgeSys
May 03 2013, 06:24AM
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Trade down to get as many picks as we can,the reality is that beyond the top 5-6 there isnt going to be much instant help available.

We need bottom 6 guys so lets try to get some big tall strong guys and leave it at that,and let them tell us who will become a player for us like happens anyways.

Scouting,picking and players evolving is such a crap shoot that we should stick to things players cant change like size and reach and those tangibles,and lets rely on our system to sand down their edges for us and better our odds of turning a pick into an NHL player.

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#56 madjam
May 03 2013, 06:43AM
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Nicushkin might be best of the lot down line , but falls due to not being amicable to playing in NHL. Maybe to risky to waste our first pick on . If we are trading for more defence , then we will probably require more of size in the prospects . Others may be used in trades either on our current roster and/or prospects . Therefore , I expect they will use first pick for a defenceman . This may not be the year to pick BPA if it is Nicushkin ,nor another forward . We have enough blue chip forwards developing .

In my order I like Zadorov's size , Ristolainen (is he son of former Oiler ?), and Nurse . Risto seems to have most offensive side .

Safe bet - Centers are needed immediately and will have to be dealt for , not drafted unless we move up in draft .Second round MacT. seems to favour goalie Comrie or the goalie Canada had in the U-18 tournament this year . Desrosier I think it was .

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#57 K_Mart
May 03 2013, 06:55AM
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I wouldn't take Lazar earlier than #20. A number of scouting reports have him in the second round and the average of mckeen, Mackenzie, ISS, Button, and a few others still only has him around 25. There's a reason for that.

This year's draft class has exactly what we need. A plethora of big d men and big centre's. Zadarov is the most physical of all the d men, and he can contribute offensively, also a great shutdown guy. He's one I'd be very interested in.

I also really like the idea of moving down and maybe picking two players in the 12-30 range. Grab a centre AND a d man. If we're willing to move our number seven+, I hope someone out there with two late first founders will cough them up.

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#58 Frank
May 03 2013, 07:50AM
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Oilers probably have the best intel on Edmonton Oilers, their scouts get to watch them play live as much as they want.

The brain trust came up with Moroz in the 2nd round.

Need I say more.

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#59 Frank
May 03 2013, 07:51AM
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Frank wrote:

Oilers probably have the best intel on Edmonton Oilers, their scouts get to watch them play live as much as they want.

The brain trust came up with Moroz in the 2nd round.

Need I say more.

Whoops I meant Edmonton Oil Kings

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#60 Taylor Gang
May 03 2013, 08:07AM
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Here's my problem with this article:

This preaches exactly what we've been trying to do for years. 2003 was arguably the best draft class ever, and what did we do? Oh yeah we traded down and lost a star player in the process. Sound familiar to you yet? And unless the power forward is Nichushkin or Monahan, just trade the pick. You want to improve the defense? Don't do it through the draft, because it will take 2-5 years.

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#61 michael
May 03 2013, 08:17AM
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I would take the 7th pick and use it on Monohan or Guathier. Don't need another defenceman unless we intend on trading it for G.Rheinhart. The Islanders were not thrilled with him anyway. The Islanders are absolutely ripe for a trade. They made the playoffs this year and are looking to improve over that going into next season. Especially if they move to Brooklyn.

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#62 mrBacon
May 03 2013, 08:20AM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

...there you go with the 'hate' thing again ...

wtf girl ... you got horns and a pointy tail 2?

...give me Monohan or give me death...no more Dmen to wait for please no more of those...

Oh man tell me about it! The only d-man the Oilers should take in this draft is Jones but seeing that he won't be available.....

The Oilers need d-men, thats obvious to anybody who watches the team, but we don't need d prospects who are at least 3 years away we have a bunch of those. We need immediate help on defense. Nobody other than Jones could possibly be that immediate help, and I'm even skeptical that Jones will have a smooth transition from Juniors to the NHL, it's just tougher for d-men to make that jump.

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#63 michael
May 03 2013, 08:30AM
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Is there no one named Ryan we can draft?

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#64 Hammers
May 03 2013, 08:38AM
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Could they trade the number 7 and there 2nd to Columbus for the Columbus pick and there NY Rangers 1st rounder ?????

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#65 mayorblaine
May 03 2013, 08:39AM
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trade the pick + for need. not down or for more picks, for need.

p.o.w.e.r. f.o.r.w.a.r.d.

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#66 Rama Lama
May 03 2013, 09:00AM
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What about moving up in the draft..........swap picks with a team above us offering them a prospect plus a second round, and finally get a legitimate first line center ( Barkov) with size?

These players do not get traded so drafting is the only option.

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#67 vetinari
May 03 2013, 09:36AM
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Not opposed to moving down with the #7 but I think the take-back should be a later first rounder and an NHL depth player who can play 3rd or 4th line minutes. Either that, or package up some AHL depth (Hamilton, Plante, Teubert) and the #7 for a later first rounder and a better quality NHL roster player. Ideally, target non-playoff teams with high payrolls (such as Philly) who might be willing to part with something of value for futures and prospects. The Oil may be even able to do this a couple of times in the first round if the chips fall in the right places...

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#68 Spydyr
May 03 2013, 09:45AM
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Whomever six rings likes best.Pick the other guy.

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#69 Tyler Fisher
May 03 2013, 09:46AM
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The only things worth doing in my opinion would be taking both 2nds, plus the 7th, and trying to move up. If it takes a Hamilton as well (do it) I don't care. That should be solid value for the Barkov range (3 2nds), or a Hemmer, 2nd, 7th, for the Preds pick. They need offense and it could be something they look at. Some might say over pay, I say we need final building blocks, not further development projects in number; we need quality. Conversely, if that's not possible, package both 2nds, up and try to move up to take D man Hagg if he's around.

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#70 aeiouY
May 03 2013, 09:54AM
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Trade the pick.... otherwise

DARNELL NURSE or bust

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/112638

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#71 madjam
May 03 2013, 10:11AM
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We did not draft defence the last 3 years until later . At 15 Plante was a bust . Time to start proper rebuild with defence in mind . Top 3 look good and all three look to be NHl'ers fairly quickly . Jones , Zadorov and Ristolainen. I would like them to also trade with Winnipeg for J.Trouba . If the youth cannot crack lineup now with our defence so weak as it is , I don't know if they'll be much better soon anyways . Drafting a forward just delays the process of rebuilding . We can trade for the forwards more readily than trading for upscaled defence . Only Klefbom seems ready to try and make jump .

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#72 Will
May 03 2013, 10:11AM
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Trade pick and Gagner for Philly's pick and Couturier. Or Gagner and our pick for Yandle and their pick. Then at that spot, draft Gautier. Big and strong down the middle for years to come. Eventually your centres are Nuge, Couturier, Lander, and Gautier. That could be an impressive line up of centres.

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#73 nunyour
May 03 2013, 10:19AM
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Toughest player available,these players don't get traded and will let the skilled guys thrive.

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#74 TDSM31
May 03 2013, 10:37AM
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aeiouY wrote:

Trade the pick.... otherwise

DARNELL NURSE or bust

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/112638

Yep...I'm in the Nurse fan club as well. Plus, just think of all the cheesy (but lovable) play on words Mean Gene could use with a 'Nurse' in our lineup!

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#75 freeze
May 03 2013, 11:03AM
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Is Adam Tambellini of the same lineage of our former "Glorious Leader"?

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#76 Will
May 03 2013, 11:06AM
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Does anyone think it would be better to grab one of the big mean defencemen, or should we try and develop Tuebert into a more complete player, since he's already big and mean? I mean are any of these top defensive prospects going to be better NHLers than Fistric or Smid?

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#77 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 03 2013, 11:52AM
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Really like Couturier. The Flyers have done a good job with him, teaching him how to play away from the puck. I'd give Philly that 7th and a prospect for Sean Couturier next month.

Couturier and Rinaldo, in exchange for the 7th and Paajarvi. Zac Rinaldo is one of the most violent fighters I've seen in a while. Fights to injure in some cases. Edmonton needs a kid of ill will like that.

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#78 albertabeef
May 03 2013, 12:14PM
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michael wrote:

Is there no one named Ryan we can draft?

We need to trade for Jeff schultz, then scour the universe for any other Schultz d-men.

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#79 Will
May 03 2013, 12:47PM
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Next up, is Connor McJesus. wrote:

Really like Couturier. The Flyers have done a good job with him, teaching him how to play away from the puck. I'd give Philly that 7th and a prospect for Sean Couturier next month.

Couturier and Rinaldo, in exchange for the 7th and Paajarvi. Zac Rinaldo is one of the most violent fighters I've seen in a while. Fights to injure in some cases. Edmonton needs a kid of ill will like that.

I suppose the question is would Philly make this trade? Personally I think you'd have to give them Gagner to get this done as they get a less gritty but more skilled and proven 6 year vet, who apparently has a great attitude and work ethic and stuff. We get one of the best up and coming two way centres that can play with some skill and physicality, that likely isn't as talented as Gagner, but would be playing with the likes of Yak.

Hypothetically, if Nichushkin and Lidholm are available at 7 but Monahan is not, do you reach down and get the other big centre that goes in the first round, Gautier, or do you take a chance on the big Russian winger with an attitude? He could be the next Malkin.

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#80 madjam
May 03 2013, 01:17PM
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Defence , defence , defence !

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#81 Walter Sobchak
May 03 2013, 01:50PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

What about moving up in the draft..........swap picks with a team above us offering them a prospect plus a second round, and finally get a legitimate first line center ( Barkov) with size?

These players do not get traded so drafting is the only option.

I've been saying this since the Oilers won those two mieaningless games.

That might have been good for the players but sheesh that hurt organizationally, but I digress, it's now up to the management team to be aggressive and have them move the Oilers up.

The players did there part at the end of the season, time for the GM to pony up and do something for the team.

Move up, the teams are there to deal with.

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#82 Next up, is Connor McJesus.
May 03 2013, 04:12PM
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@Walter Sobchak

Even without those 4 pts the Oilers still finished 26th, instead of 24th. I think they'd still have been out of reach of Barkov. I do agree though about the need to move up into that required position to get him.

We'll soon see if MacT is of the same aggressive mindset.

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#83 Citizen David
May 03 2013, 05:30PM
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It's been bothering me for a long time so I have to address it. Everyone seems to love Gauither because he's 6'5 and hate Lazar cause he's 6'.

Since they seem to love using Bob Mackenzie to "prove" Gauthier is better here's the numbers:

Bob Mackenzie's January Ranking: Gauthier #13, Lazar #25 Therefore Gauthier must be better right?

From the games they played post January ranking:

Gauthier GP 19, G 6, A 3, P 9, -2 Playoffs: GP 6, G 0, A 2, P 2, +1

Lazar GP 21, G 15, A 9, P 24 +8 Playoffs GP 16, G 8, A 2, P 10, +3

Back to Bob Mackenzie, what his list is, is asking NHL scouts to give their rankings and then averaging them all out. His end of season ranking only goes to #10 but if you read the article, it says that the only players who are not on the top ten on Bob's list who received multiple top ten votes are Max Domi and... Curtis Lazar. So on the full list that would probably mean Lazar's ranked #11-#15.

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#84 madjam
May 03 2013, 08:18PM
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Realistically , what might/ would a team above us in the draft offer us to switch position in first round ?

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#85 Martin
May 03 2013, 09:50PM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

...there you go with the 'hate' thing again ...

wtf girl ... you got horns and a pointy tail 2?

...give me Monohan or give me death...no more Dmen to wait for please no more of those...

How come we draft 6.6" and 6.7" goalies ? Lets make them centres and put Horcoff or Jones in net they always just get in the way anyways

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#86 ubermiguel
May 03 2013, 10:16PM
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Citizen David wrote:

It's been bothering me for a long time so I have to address it. Everyone seems to love Gauither because he's 6'5 and hate Lazar cause he's 6'.

Since they seem to love using Bob Mackenzie to "prove" Gauthier is better here's the numbers:

Bob Mackenzie's January Ranking: Gauthier #13, Lazar #25 Therefore Gauthier must be better right?

From the games they played post January ranking:

Gauthier GP 19, G 6, A 3, P 9, -2 Playoffs: GP 6, G 0, A 2, P 2, +1

Lazar GP 21, G 15, A 9, P 24 +8 Playoffs GP 16, G 8, A 2, P 10, +3

Back to Bob Mackenzie, what his list is, is asking NHL scouts to give their rankings and then averaging them all out. His end of season ranking only goes to #10 but if you read the article, it says that the only players who are not on the top ten on Bob's list who received multiple top ten votes are Max Domi and... Curtis Lazar. So on the full list that would probably mean Lazar's ranked #11-#15.

Smallish sample size there, but I like what I've seen from Lazar in the WHL playoffs.

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#87 pelhem grenville
May 04 2013, 06:18AM
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madjam wrote:

Defence , defence , defence !

centre , centre , centre !

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#88 chet134
May 04 2013, 06:59AM
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Everyone wants to draft a player and hope that McT can be a miracle worker via the trade market But no one wants to trade Ebs, hall, Nug, yak, schultz or kleffboom. Hemsky and Magy have zero trade value, Quality UFAs won't come here and we have tons of holes in our lineup. So trading Gagner will fix all our problems. This club is in big trouble unless we trade one of the kids and our draft pick. We need players that can make an instead impack in our squad or we will be drafting in this position next year.

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#89 The Soup Fascist
May 04 2013, 08:40AM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

centre , centre , centre !

Location, location, location.

Tora, Tora, Tora

This is fun, fun, fun!

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#90 nunyour
May 04 2013, 11:47AM
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Could you trade the pick to a team with cap issues? Maybe there is a centre or d-man to be had.

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#91 Walter Sobchak
May 04 2013, 12:00PM
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Citizen David wrote:

It's been bothering me for a long time so I have to address it. Everyone seems to love Gauither because he's 6'5 and hate Lazar cause he's 6'.

Since they seem to love using Bob Mackenzie to "prove" Gauthier is better here's the numbers:

Bob Mackenzie's January Ranking: Gauthier #13, Lazar #25 Therefore Gauthier must be better right?

From the games they played post January ranking:

Gauthier GP 19, G 6, A 3, P 9, -2 Playoffs: GP 6, G 0, A 2, P 2, +1

Lazar GP 21, G 15, A 9, P 24 +8 Playoffs GP 16, G 8, A 2, P 10, +3

Back to Bob Mackenzie, what his list is, is asking NHL scouts to give their rankings and then averaging them all out. His end of season ranking only goes to #10 but if you read the article, it says that the only players who are not on the top ten on Bob's list who received multiple top ten votes are Max Domi and... Curtis Lazar. So on the full list that would probably mean Lazar's ranked #11-#15.

The only problem I have with your number's are this, while Gauthier plays on a good team, he is the offence and one of the teams best player.

While Lazar numbers are better, Lazar plays on a elite team full of top end talent, while not being the teams best player.

This concerns me the most.

While Lazar struggled at time this year, the Kings kept rolling.

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