2013 DRAFT TAKES: POSSIBLE OILERS

Lowetide
May 02 2013 09:35PM

There's a chance that the "top level" forwards will be gone by the time Stu MacGregor and the Edmonton Oilers step to the podium at the 2013 draft. If so, where do they go? Reach for a lesser forward? Pick a defenseman (like Darnell Nurse, in video)? Trade down?

In his time away from the Oilers, Craig MacTavish no doubt saw a few interesting things he'll bring to the procurement table this summer for the Oilers. A recent Terry Jones article contained a couple of MacT quotes that got me thinking:

  • MacT: “We’re definitely going to look at doing something with that pick. I think we’d be very receptive to moving back and picking up another pick potentially."
  • More MacT: “It’s a very deep draft in my mind. There are tons of players out there who excite me. Or possibly we could pick up somebody that could help us immediately and another pick.”

The Oilers have moved up in the draft (dealt two picks to move up for Riley Nash) and moved down (dealt the Zack Parise pick for Pouliot and Jacques) with results that could be described as "infamous" and remain understated; however, with the club already owning their jacks and kings, perhaps this plan allows them to improve depth.

Personally, the only way I can see it happening is if the following players come off the board 1-6:

  1. Seth Jones
  2. Nathan MacKinnon
  3. Jonathan Drouin
  4. Slava Barkov
  5. Sean Monahan
  6. Elias Lindholm

Should that happen, Edmonton would be left with an abundance of blue (Nurse, Risto Ristolainen, Nikita Zadorov) but perhaps a bit of a gap between those six forwards and the next level (Nichushkin, who may fall due to contract and performance concerns, Hunter Shinkaruk, Max Domi, Curtis Lazar).

THE SOLUTION?

Just thinking out loud, but maybe you deal #7 overall to Winnipeg for #13 and #43. If Curtis Lazar (above) is still there, the Oilers continue the Oil King caravan of tough, physical players. The club would have no need to push him into immediate action, rather allowing him to mature in the WHL--something that paid dividends with Jordan Eberle.

AND WITH THE EXTRA PICK?

The Oilers received good value (so far) from the BCJHL last season when selecting Jujhar Khaira from the Prince George Spruce Kings. He had a fine season at Michigan Tech and is one of the best 'forwards with size' among the organization's prospects.

Although it might be awkward, the Oilers could use that second round selection on Adam Tambellini of the Surrey Eagles. He's on his way to North Dakota (NCAA), so there's no worry about him needing to be signed any time soon. He's also an emerging power forward--this article has him currently at 6.02, 205--and has a scorer's touch.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

History tells us selecting defensemen at the top of the draft rarely results in true value. If the Oilers don't feel it's wise to use the 7th overall pick on a defender, perhaps trading down is the right call.

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#1 Toro
May 02 2013, 09:46PM
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I don't get why everyone loves Lazar so much, he isn't tough at all total opposite if you ask me, and I could totally see the oilers doing something stupid and trading the 7 pick for more drafts picks , which is exactly the opposite of what they should do , if you don't mind developing the player we draft why not draft Nichushkin, he's contracted to the KHL for 2 years and he's a big power forward we crave and has been rated as high as the 2nd best player at one point, of course there is the Russian factor but with a superstar Russian in Yakupov here I'm sure he would come play here. But if we're gonna trade the pick unless its too move up in the draft it better be got an established player that helps now and can play in the future.

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#2 Reg Dunlop
May 03 2013, 02:20AM
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Oilers loading up on former oilkings has been tried, unsuccessfully, before. Anyone old enough to remember the McAneeleys and Bob Falkenberg? Kerry Ketter? Yikes were they awful. Confining one's search for talent to the most familiar source is a recipe for failure. But, I can hear voices saying 'Moroz and Gernat were part of the western championship team and Lazar played in the Mem cup'. So did Bob and Ted, and Ron Anderson, Doug Barrie, Ross Perkins, Smokey McLeod and a bunch of other guys that Bill Hunter was buddies with. The oiler tradition of the 'old boys club', dating back to 1972 and still going strong, has to end.

I guess what I am getting at in a round about way is that trading down in the draft to take Lazar in addition to an extra 2nd rounder is the second worst scenario; the worst is drafting Lazar 7th overall. Take the BPA (Monahan or Lindholm).

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#3 Walter Sobchak
May 02 2013, 09:54PM
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Has trading down ever worked for the Oilers?

This trading back to get something two years down the road is complete BS.

The Oilers needs dictate they be aggressive and move up, not back.

If three elite two way centers don't get the Oilers excited knowing that one of your weakest spots is center then Mac-T has sh!t for brains.

The weakest spot is Defense followed really close by center.

They need to fix that this year, you can talk about trading back next year when the draft is not as deep.

I cant bare to watch a Malkin or a Getzlaf walk because the GM figured another 6'0 190 lbs RW was just what the Oilers needed.

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#4 admiralmark
May 02 2013, 10:13PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Best in the draft? Let's not get ahead of ourselves...

I said could be.. and he very well could be. The potential is there for this player. My point is if not for the Russian Factor he would not be there at # 7. Lets put it that way.

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#5 jeffff
May 02 2013, 11:04PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Oliver Ekman-Larsson, is he another one of those soft types that would need someone to protect him as well?

That is what they use to say about Nicklas Lidstrom . He turned out okay

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#6 Romanus
May 02 2013, 11:15PM
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Jasmine wrote:

Why is there so much hate for Curtis Lazar. In the Draft Preview in THN, Lazar is ranked at #9. Wouldn't much of a reach if Oilers took him at #7.

It's because of the hate for Lowe and because if he gets drafted, the fans will just drive him out of town and others won't sign here. If it was Sather he would be drafted and nobody would complain. :)

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#7 striker777
May 02 2013, 10:36PM
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Nichushkin is the best forward in this year's draft. We should feel blessed he has a current KHL contract. This should scare of other teams and the best power forward could fall to Oilers. Malkin stayed in KHL after being drafted and he turned out pretty well. I hope MacT doesn't move down. That's just stupid, when you have such a high pick.

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#8 mrBacon
May 03 2013, 08:20AM
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pelhem grenville wrote:

...there you go with the 'hate' thing again ...

wtf girl ... you got horns and a pointy tail 2?

...give me Monohan or give me death...no more Dmen to wait for please no more of those...

Oh man tell me about it! The only d-man the Oilers should take in this draft is Jones but seeing that he won't be available.....

The Oilers need d-men, thats obvious to anybody who watches the team, but we don't need d prospects who are at least 3 years away we have a bunch of those. We need immediate help on defense. Nobody other than Jones could possibly be that immediate help, and I'm even skeptical that Jones will have a smooth transition from Juniors to the NHL, it's just tougher for d-men to make that jump.

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#9 michael
May 03 2013, 08:30AM
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Is there no one named Ryan we can draft?

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#10 Greg
May 02 2013, 10:50PM
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Funny how fans know exactly how these players will turn out. They know the worth of other players on different teams. We all read articles and form opinions based on our biases.

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#11 oilers2k14
May 02 2013, 11:00PM
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I never understood trading out of a top ten pick, most of the time your giving up the best player in the deal if you do that..especially in this years draft. An extra second round pick doesnt justify trading down, unless its only a spot or two.

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#12 dougtheslug
May 02 2013, 11:37PM
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striker777 wrote:

Nichushkin is the best forward in this year's draft. We should feel blessed he has a current KHL contract. This should scare of other teams and the best power forward could fall to Oilers. Malkin stayed in KHL after being drafted and he turned out pretty well. I hope MacT doesn't move down. That's just stupid, when you have such a high pick.

http://youtu.be/wp4T8lBBMPw

I'm coming around to this opinion - even though Nichushkin has stated he will honour his contact in the KHL which runs through to 2015. Why not acquire the best available asset? The "depth" of this draft refers to the sure things in the top 10. After that, things drop off pretty quick, and the draft truly becomes a "lottery". Moscow Dynamo just payed a US$10,000,000 transfer fee to Traktor Chelyabinsk for this guy - thats a lotta dough from people that know him a whole lot better than North Americans. He does say that he is coming to the NHL Combine, and will stay in North America to train this summer, but intends to follow the trajectory of Tarasenko in St. Louis. Still, if he is available, I say put him in the bank, and let him appreciate in value.

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#13 Taylor Gang
May 03 2013, 08:07AM
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Here's my problem with this article:

This preaches exactly what we've been trying to do for years. 2003 was arguably the best draft class ever, and what did we do? Oh yeah we traded down and lost a star player in the process. Sound familiar to you yet? And unless the power forward is Nichushkin or Monahan, just trade the pick. You want to improve the defense? Don't do it through the draft, because it will take 2-5 years.

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#14 Rama Lama
May 03 2013, 09:00AM
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What about moving up in the draft..........swap picks with a team above us offering them a prospect plus a second round, and finally get a legitimate first line center ( Barkov) with size?

These players do not get traded so drafting is the only option.

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#15 Spydyr
May 03 2013, 09:45AM
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Whomever six rings likes best.Pick the other guy.

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#16 Taylor Gang
May 02 2013, 09:40PM
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LOL WHAT A BABE LT

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#17 OilerLand
May 02 2013, 09:53PM
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Monahan, Nichushkin, Nurse.

If none of those players are left then that means some other great player fell to 7.

You take the pick.always take the pick. Forget trading it, the idea gives me chills.

I want either Monahan or the Russian.

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#18 Walter Sobchak
May 02 2013, 10:02PM
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Jasmine wrote:

Why is there so much hate for Curtis Lazar. In the Draft Preview in THN, Lazar is ranked at #9. Wouldn't much of a reach if Oilers took him at #7.

He plays on a stacked team, where he is not even close to being there top player, as apposed to say a Monahan who was clearly the best player on a terrible team.

Or Barkov who is 17 and is one of the best players playing against men.

As for need, the Oilers don't need another small RW player.

The fact most credible scouting report has Lazar around 15-25 I guess that would be why too.

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#19 Jeffff
May 02 2013, 10:06PM
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I see it like this today.

Col – Jones

FL – MacKinnon

TB- Drouin/Barkov

Nash- Drouin/Barkov

Car- Nichushkin/Nurse

Cal- Monahan/Nichushkin/Lindholm

Edm- Monahan/Nichushkin//Lindholm/Nurse

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#20 Walter Sobchak
May 02 2013, 10:26PM
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TeddyTurnbuckle wrote:

I don't think they should trade down. No chance they they trade up even though I'd give up MPS or Gagner and # 7pick to get Mckinnon. Move Hall to Center if its Gagner going. Otherwise I would be happy drafting Monahan, Big Russian or Nurse. If they trade the pick they better get something great and not a watered down group of selections. A #7 pick has potential to play in 2 years while 2 late 1st rounders probably are 3 years away.

People keep talking like Hall will just simply slide into the center position, the hardest position so effortlessly.

Stop! Hall himself as said no! doesn't want to, admitted it will be tough! You have another two years to wait before he learns a new position!

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#21 Rocknrolla
May 02 2013, 10:39PM
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At least we can trust the oilers organization and the rookie GM to make the right decision on draft day.....man I hope they don't f&@$ this up.

Trading down never works...trade for an IMPACT player or take the great pick.

If we end up with a Monaghan, who looks like a great player in 2 years when we are making a run, great...if we trade and get an impact power forward or top 2 D great....

But a FAIL would be trade down for 2 picks and choose another DUD at 18, and get another 2nd round Hail Mary.

Hopefully MacT can learn from our past mistakes with draft picks.

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#22 Citizen David
May 02 2013, 10:58PM
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I like the trade down option. Gets us an extra piece and there are some good players availiable later. Kerby Rychel is exactly what the Oilers are missing, hits everything, fights, two seasons ago: GP 68 G 41 A 33 P 74 this season: GP 68 G 40 A 47 P 87.

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#23 Walter Sobchak
May 02 2013, 11:23PM
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Citizen David wrote:

I like the trade down option. Gets us an extra piece and there are some good players availiable later. Kerby Rychel is exactly what the Oilers are missing, hits everything, fights, two seasons ago: GP 68 G 41 A 33 P 74 this season: GP 68 G 40 A 47 P 87.

David, This is where I totally agree with you, Kerby Rychel IS what the Oilers need.

Lazar, I get to watch a lot because of my season tickets with both the Oilers and Kings.

Lazar is another same type player the Oilers already have.

Kerby plays LW a need for the Oilers, Lazar doesnt fit into anything the Oilers need, he's a wasted pick IMO.

Trade Hemsky for another pick in the 15-25 range and both Rychel and Lazar will still be there.

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#24 copperblue
May 03 2013, 12:05AM
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@Jasmine

hello i been looking for THN draft preview magazine...is it out at the newstands at the moment ? when did you get yours ? hope i can still get one Thanks

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#25 pelhem grenville
May 03 2013, 05:26AM
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Jasmine wrote:

Why is there so much hate for Curtis Lazar. In the Draft Preview in THN, Lazar is ranked at #9. Wouldn't much of a reach if Oilers took him at #7.

...there you go with the 'hate' thing again ...

wtf girl ... you got horns and a pointy tail 2?

...give me Monohan or give me death...no more Dmen to wait for please no more of those...

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#26 Curcro
May 03 2013, 06:05AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

It doesn't take a jeanyus to find the reason why we're in this mess. It's the very poor drafting outside of the first round these last 5 yrs. If someone else isn't doing scoutings homework for them (lotto BPA) they fall short virtually everytime.

If there's one thing we've learned about Stu MacGregor the last five years. Magnificent couldn't be further from the truth. How much longer can the Oilers continue to let these bozos run amateur scouting?

Watch these idiots trade that 7th for more fools gold.

The last 5 years 2nd round on picks are irrelevant mostly to the teams success.

Pittsburgh has gotten 6 games out of their later rounds picks and Vancouver has gotten 8 games out of theirs. Toronto which has been a similar status as Edmonton has used 44 games from those picks. Currently the Islanders are tops with 707 games from those players.

The Oilers sit 21st of 30 teams in use of late round picks in the NHL in the last 5 years.

So while the Oilers are not the best, they are certainly not the worst by a long shot. 21st can be improved on, it can also go worse.

Of course there is always the quality argument. But at this stage with most of these players playing in 1 maybe 2 seasons it is impossible to give a reasonable answer to that question.

It is definitely not THE REASON why we are in this mess. Maybe it does take a JEANYUS.

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#27 clyde
May 03 2013, 06:23AM
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OF17 wrote:

I think Hemsky could be a great fit there, and if you're retaining $2-3 million in the deal, trading for Hemsky and re-signing Horton wouldn't be mutually exclusive for Boston.

Lucic - Krejci - Hemsky Marchand - Bergeron - Seguin xxx - Kelly - Horton Paille - Campbell - Thornton

That's assuming that Peverley gets traded, and hopefully to us, for cap reasons.

Why would Boston even be remotely interested in Hemsky? There is a reason he has not been traded by now.

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#28 Frank
May 03 2013, 07:50AM
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Oilers probably have the best intel on Edmonton Oilers, their scouts get to watch them play live as much as they want.

The brain trust came up with Moroz in the 2nd round.

Need I say more.

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#29 Will
May 03 2013, 10:11AM
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Trade pick and Gagner for Philly's pick and Couturier. Or Gagner and our pick for Yandle and their pick. Then at that spot, draft Gautier. Big and strong down the middle for years to come. Eventually your centres are Nuge, Couturier, Lander, and Gautier. That could be an impressive line up of centres.

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#30 TDSM31
May 03 2013, 10:37AM
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aeiouY wrote:

Trade the pick.... otherwise

DARNELL NURSE or bust

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/112638

Yep...I'm in the Nurse fan club as well. Plus, just think of all the cheesy (but lovable) play on words Mean Gene could use with a 'Nurse' in our lineup!

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#31 freeze
May 03 2013, 11:03AM
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Is Adam Tambellini of the same lineage of our former "Glorious Leader"?

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#32 madjam
May 03 2013, 01:17PM
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Defence , defence , defence !

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#33 Walter Sobchak
May 03 2013, 01:50PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

What about moving up in the draft..........swap picks with a team above us offering them a prospect plus a second round, and finally get a legitimate first line center ( Barkov) with size?

These players do not get traded so drafting is the only option.

I've been saying this since the Oilers won those two mieaningless games.

That might have been good for the players but sheesh that hurt organizationally, but I digress, it's now up to the management team to be aggressive and have them move the Oilers up.

The players did there part at the end of the season, time for the GM to pony up and do something for the team.

Move up, the teams are there to deal with.

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#34 Jasmine
May 02 2013, 09:51PM
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@Toro

Why is there so much hate for Curtis Lazar. In the Draft Preview in THN, Lazar is ranked at #9. Wouldn't much of a reach if Oilers took him at #7.

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#35 Steve
May 02 2013, 09:52PM
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I can't see Carolina taking another center at #5 I see a winger or a Dman

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#36 Taylor Gang
May 02 2013, 09:56PM
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If people truly want a very good defenseman without trading one of the kids, the time is now.

Gagner (who had a career year) + 7th overall pick. That package alone could get you a VERY good defenseman.

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#37 admiralmark
May 02 2013, 10:03PM
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Toro wrote:

I don't get why everyone loves Lazar so much, he isn't tough at all total opposite if you ask me, and I could totally see the oilers doing something stupid and trading the 7 pick for more drafts picks , which is exactly the opposite of what they should do , if you don't mind developing the player we draft why not draft Nichushkin, he's contracted to the KHL for 2 years and he's a big power forward we crave and has been rated as high as the 2nd best player at one point, of course there is the Russian factor but with a superstar Russian in Yakupov here I'm sure he would come play here. But if we're gonna trade the pick unless its too move up in the draft it better be got an established player that helps now and can play in the future.

Totally agree if Nichushkin is there at #7 and Monahan's gone they should take him. Nichushkin could very well turn out to be the best player in this draft down the road.

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#38 Walter Sobchak
May 02 2013, 10:08PM
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Steve wrote:

I can't see Carolina taking another center at #5 I see a winger or a Dman

I can see the Hurricanes and the Predators taking wingers or defensive players as well.

I also see them as a willing trading partner to flip picks.

I can see if MacKinnon is off the board the Predators may take a winger or defense.

The Problem is Calgary.

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#39 Taylor Gang
May 02 2013, 10:08PM
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admiralmark wrote:

Totally agree if Nichushkin is there at #7 and Monahan's gone they should take him. Nichushkin could very well turn out to be the best player in this draft down the road.

Best in the draft? Let's not get ahead of ourselves...

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#40 admiralmark
May 02 2013, 10:14PM
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admiralmark wrote:

I said could be.. and he very well could be. The potential is there for this player. My point is if not for the Russian Factor he would not be there at # 7. Lets put it that way.

Lets put it this way.. If not for the Russian Factor he would not be there at #7.

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#41 TeddyTurnbuckle
May 02 2013, 10:16PM
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I don't think they should trade down. No chance they they trade up even though I'd give up MPS or Gagner and # 7pick to get Mckinnon. Move Hall to Center if its Gagner going. Otherwise I would be happy drafting Monahan, Big Russian or Nurse. If they trade the pick they better get something great and not a watered down group of selections. A #7 pick has potential to play in 2 years while 2 late 1st rounders probably are 3 years away.

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#42 Naky
May 02 2013, 10:18PM
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The Oilers definitely have the Yakupov factor when it comes to Nichushkin. For those who view the KHL contract as a negative, try possibly to look at it this way - he'll be developing further in one of the top men's leagues in the world and he'll be making good enough money to soothe any money concerns he may be having in setting up his family, so leaving for that entry level contract that could turn into AHL money if he isn't ready (shouldn't) be as big a concern for him by then is it wouldn't be for any other player without that opportunity. By then, the Yak will be older, wiser in the ways of the NHL, and far more comfortable in North America to play as an excellent example/mentor for him too.

I suppose the only negative is that he will not be a player we can use right now - but then, there's no guarantee that any other player picked at 7th would be too. Kadri took a while and he was picked in that range. Worked out in the end though!

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#43 TeddyTurnbuckle
May 02 2013, 10:20PM
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Calgary might be stupid enough to trade their pick for an accelerated rebuild roster player.

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#44 Eric K
May 02 2013, 10:23PM
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Naky wrote:

The Oilers definitely have the Yakupov factor when it comes to Nichushkin. For those who view the KHL contract as a negative, try possibly to look at it this way - he'll be developing further in one of the top men's leagues in the world and he'll be making good enough money to soothe any money concerns he may be having in setting up his family, so leaving for that entry level contract that could turn into AHL money if he isn't ready (shouldn't) be as big a concern for him by then is it wouldn't be for any other player without that opportunity. By then, the Yak will be older, wiser in the ways of the NHL, and far more comfortable in North America to play as an excellent example/mentor for him too.

I suppose the only negative is that he will not be a player we can use right now - but then, there's no guarantee that any other player picked at 7th would be too. Kadri took a while and he was picked in that range. Worked out in the end though!

Carolina has Semin

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#45 Quicksilver ballet
May 02 2013, 10:26PM
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It doesn't take a jeanyus to find the reason why we're in this mess. It's the very poor drafting outside of the first round these last 5 yrs. If someone else isn't doing scoutings homework for them (lotto BPA) they fall short virtually everytime.

If there's one thing we've learned about Stu MacGregor the last five years. Magnificent couldn't be further from the truth. How much longer can the Oilers continue to let these bozos run amateur scouting?

Watch these idiots trade that 7th for more fools gold.

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#46 Unhealthy scratch
May 02 2013, 10:29PM
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Two things we can't know today - who will be available at 7, and what others will offer for that pick.

Would I do #7 + Gagner for OEL? In a heartbeat. Would Phoenix? Doubtful, but it is worth a shot.

How about #7 + Hemsky for Tyutin? Yep. Would CBJ? They already have 3 first round picks. But maybe they want to trade two other first rounders for a roster player who could help them next season. They'd still end up with two first rounders and two roster players, while giving up one roster player and getting a better top pick.

There are so many moving parts to this, there is no sense doing anything but throwing ideas out there.

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#47 Taylor Gang
May 02 2013, 10:38PM
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Unhealthy scratch wrote:

Two things we can't know today - who will be available at 7, and what others will offer for that pick.

Would I do #7 + Gagner for OEL? In a heartbeat. Would Phoenix? Doubtful, but it is worth a shot.

How about #7 + Hemsky for Tyutin? Yep. Would CBJ? They already have 3 first round picks. But maybe they want to trade two other first rounders for a roster player who could help them next season. They'd still end up with two first rounders and two roster players, while giving up one roster player and getting a better top pick.

There are so many moving parts to this, there is no sense doing anything but throwing ideas out there.

OEL would be a fair price for Gags and the #7. Phoenix has arguably one of the best defensive cores in the league. That said, it's probably more likely that they trade Yandle, but I'm okay with that. I'm a big fan of Yandle.

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#48 misfit
May 02 2013, 10:46PM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

Has trading down ever worked for the Oilers?

This trading back to get something two years down the road is complete BS.

The Oilers needs dictate they be aggressive and move up, not back.

If three elite two way centers don't get the Oilers excited knowing that one of your weakest spots is center then Mac-T has sh!t for brains.

The weakest spot is Defense followed really close by center.

They need to fix that this year, you can talk about trading back next year when the draft is not as deep.

I cant bare to watch a Malkin or a Getzlaf walk because the GM figured another 6'0 190 lbs RW was just what the Oilers needed.

Has a draft day trade involving 1st rounders ever worked in favour of the team trading down?

Maybe a handfull of times, and I'd say most examples involved at least one goaltender (aka, the wildcards of the draft).

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#49 Citizen David
May 02 2013, 10:53PM
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I don't understand the Lazar hate. Is he as good as Monahan? No. But I would love for the oilers to get him. He brings everything MacT was talking about - speed (Monahan's weakness), depth scoring, physical hardworking passion

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/MacKinnon+Smiling+Edmonton+Kings+centre/8318727/story.html

and he's not a player going in the twenties. Bob Mackenzie's final survey of scouts had Lazar just outside the top ten.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/story/?id=422034

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#50 Quicksilver ballet
May 02 2013, 10:59PM
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Oliver Ekman-Larsson, is he another one of those soft types that would need someone to protect him as well?

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