Former NHL GM: “I don’t know if they can get [a second round pick] for Hemsky”

Jonathan Willis
May 20 2013 09:48AM

Craig Button, the one-time general manager of the Calgary Flames, does not believe Ales Hemsky has much in the way of trade value. Barely any trade value at all, in point of fact.

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Here’s Button, as quoted by the Edmonton Journal’s Jim Matheson:

I don’t think there’s a market for him … I shouldn’t say there’s no market. But the salary cap is coming down to $64.3 million. He makes $5 million for one more year. Would the Oilers pick up half of that to trade him, 50-50 (with another team)? That would still free up $2.5 million in cap space for the Oilers. I don’t know if they can get something tangible in return for Hemsky. Andrew Cogliano got the Oilers a second-round draft (pick). I don’t know if they can get that for Hemsky.

Uh-huh

So, in Button’s scenario, the Oilers eat half of Hemsky’s salary and deal him to a team that will pay $2.5 million per season, and they can’t land a second-round draft pick?

For starters: if the Oilers somehow couldn’t get a second-round pick for a guy making $2.5 million who scores like Hemsky, than they may as well fire the general manager now because he’s hopeless. This link has a list of active players with similar scoring rates to Hemsky over the last five seasons (Hemsky, by the way, ranks 59th among NHL forwards over the last five years in points-per-game which is well above the pace of most second-line forwards).

It’s not a great list, but it really isn’t a bad one either. Joffrey Lupul was dealt in 2011 as part of a package for Francois Beauchemin; the Maple Leafs liked him enough to sign him to a five year extension worth more than $5 million and including a limited no-trade clause. Martin Erat was considered enough of a return for the Capitals to give up star prospect Filip Forsberg. There are other examples, too; Jaromir Jagr earned more of a return as a rental player at the deadline than Button is suggesting Hemsky would fetch at half his salary and for a full year.

Hemsky isn’t going to fetch a massive return – he likely won’t bring in a top-pairing defenceman or a power forward for the second line – but it’s lunacy to think he can’t fetch a second-round draft pick at a $2.5 million cap hit.

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There has been a lot of talk in Edmonton about the possibility of drafting Sean Monahan, but one of the problems for such aspirations is that the Calgary Flames pick before the Oilers, and he's certainly a potential fit for that club as well. In Flames first round target: Sean Monahan, Kent Wilson looks at the numbers and the scouting reports; here's part of what he had to say:

In some ways, Monahan's scouting reports sounds a lot like recent CHL graduates Gabriel Landeskog and Sean Courturier, both of whom were considered more or less "NHL ready" right out of the draft because of their size and the completeness of their games. Neither guy has set the world on fire offensively in the NHL at this point, but both are already playing tough competition and surviving/thriving in the show as kids.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#51 DSF
May 20 2013, 01:05PM
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madjam wrote:

Hemsky for Fisher straight up .

Carrie?

You might have to throw in a pick and a prospect.

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#52 clyde
May 20 2013, 01:15PM
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7, 14, 10, 9 are the goal totals for the last 4 years from Hemsky. He provides no physical element or defensive ability. Is Button really crazy to suggest no one would be willing to give up a 2nd for this 30 year old? His ppg has gone down dramatically the last 2 years as well. As someone stated, there are going to be better options on the market for free this year when teams start to shed salary.

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#53 Romulus' Apotheosis
May 20 2013, 01:19PM
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Racki wrote:

Damn it.. my reply just got eaten.

Anyways, long story short....

I interpreted Button's comments about retaining half of Hemsky's salary and getting a 2nd rounder (if we're lucky) for him as separate thoughts. That might not be true though. I do agree that Hemsky at $2.5M should be worth more than just a 2nd rounder.

I am also not completely against Hemsky. I think when he's on, he's a treat to watch and a force. But I think that blinds people a bit too much.. I don't think he's a very regularly dominant player, and I also think the injuries have taken such a toll that we never really know how many games he'll be good for each year. I think he represents something that will always hold us back. I think we need to look ahead. It wouldn't be the end of the world if we hung on to him, but I'd prefer to turn the page and fill his game roster spot with a strong winger that opens up space for the other talent we have here.

It's like each year our excitement is high because we have a better Hemsky ready to go.. then the wheels fall off that and we're stuck saying.. oh damn, no more Hemsky.. well maybe Omark / Paajarvi / insertotherplayer can fill in for him... and they can't. Really Hemsky is a good player and important here, but I don't think he fulfills our need for enough of the season, if you get my meaning.

here's the piece so we don't all have to guess:

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/edmonton-oilers/Hockey+World+Ales+Hemsky+days+Edmonton/8407920/story.html

and here's the quote:

“I don’t think there’s a market for him … I shouldn’t say there’s no market,” said former NHL general Craig Button, who now works for TSN. “But the salary cap is coming down to $64.3 million. He makes $5 million for one more year. Would the Oilers pick up half of that to trade him, 50-50 (with another team)? That would still free up $2.5 million in cap space for the Oilers.

“I don’t know if they can get something tangible in return for Hemsky. Andrew Cogliano got the Oilers a second-round draft (pick). I don’t know if they can get that for Hemsky,” Button said.

I guess you can interpret that two ways... but it seems more logical to me that he is continuing down the same path in his line of thought.

Not sure how we could resolve it really. One problem is the way Matheson inserts info into the quote and then a paragraph break... so you are unsure if he broke up the line of thought, or if Button presented these things as separate ideas.

I take your point about "saw him bad for too long"... but I don't think that is a good way to manage your assets... i.e., I get your attitude: "let's just move on already"... but if you are running a team that way, you ought to be fired immediately.

Bad GMs get fixated on certain players either being the problem or the solution ("Lucic will fix everything! here's everything I have!!!")

If Hemsky's value is really so low on the market as to make Button's assessment his best possible return... well, then you'd be insane to take that return to simply move on from the player. Much better to retain the asset, keep him on the 3rd line if need be, hope he rebounds and take whatever comes next year.

There are two right answers here: Button doesn't have a clue and any GM that follows his logic belongs on the same panel of failed GMs.

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#54 michael
May 20 2013, 01:38PM
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Hemsky will playing 3rd line minutes next season plus 2cd unit PP. Yakupov has surpassed him. Hemsky if he plays at a reasonable clip should be a valuable asset either in terms of trade or as a 3rd line winger for this team. It would take a 60 point plus season for Hemsky to come back and ask for another 2 year 5 million per year contract. It won't happen here. Either way I see this as Hemsky's last year as an Oiler if he performs or if does not perform. The only question is if does rebound what will he be worth in an Olympic year? Button's opinion may reflect current market considerations due to declining cap space but it does not include a limited free agent market. The FA market this off season is pathetic even factoring in buy outs this summer.

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#55 DSF
May 20 2013, 01:43PM
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geno wrote:

oops that's wrong. Hemsky's PPG was actually .83PPG after the lockout.

So a difference of 0.3PPG

Do you even think or research before you type dumb comments like "David Booth, another injury prone winger who has similar stats to Hemsky since the last lockout"?

I don't think you realize the player Hemsky was before 2012.

Yeah, I'm sure those extra 20 points aper season that occurred mainly half a decade ago will be enough to supercharge his value.

Bottom line is, in his last 4 seasons, he's averaged 30 points.

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#56 Todd
May 20 2013, 01:49PM
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DSF wrote:

Yeah, I'm sure those extra 20 points aper season that occurred mainly half a decade ago will be enough to supercharge his value.

Bottom line is, in his last 4 seasons, he's averaged 30 points.

Maybe we could trade Hemsky and Yakupov for Peter Mueller.

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#57 Romulus' Apotheosis
May 20 2013, 01:52PM
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I think with Hemsky you are going to have to come up with the answer to this question:

If you can only get .50 on the $1, what is your rationale for pulling the trigger?

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#58 geno
May 20 2013, 02:19PM
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DSF wrote:

Yeah, I'm sure those extra 20 points aper season that occurred mainly half a decade ago will be enough to supercharge his value.

Bottom line is, in his last 4 seasons, he's averaged 30 points.

2 of them he was near a point per game. Don't get me wrong, Hemsky doesn't have much value at all on the trade market. But to say he n booth have similar stats since the lockout is ridiculous. Hemsky's been extremely good since the lockout. Booth had 1 good season.

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#59 horndog77
May 20 2013, 03:23PM
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Hall-Nuge-Eberle

MPS-Gagner-Yakupov

Jones-Horcoff-Hemsky

Hart-Lander-Brown

looks ok to me, ideally nuge slides to the second line while Gagner and prospects are traded away for large stud #1 center.

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#60 Oilfaninvic
May 20 2013, 03:31PM
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There has been a lot of talk in Edmonton about the possibility of drafting Sean Monahan, but one of the problems for such aspirations is that the Calgary Flames pick before the Oilers, and he's certainly a potential fit for that club as well. In Flames first round target: Sean Monahan.

Suits me fine, as I'm hoping the Oiler's pick Elias Lindholm. PLEASE DON'T TRADE THAT PICK MR IMPATIENT & MR KNOWS ABOUT WINNING, JUST SHUT UP PLEASE.

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#61 Spydyr
May 20 2013, 03:31PM
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@geno

Crosby , St. Louis and Hemsky....One of these is not like the others.

Does not even belong in the same breath.

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#62 Quicksilver ballet
May 20 2013, 03:44PM
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Romulus' Apotheosis wrote:

I think with Hemsky you are going to have to come up with the answer to this question:

If you can only get .50 on the $1, what is your rationale for pulling the trigger?

50 cents on the dollar is probably a good starting point. If nobody else is willing to take him, why are the Oilers making a roster spot for him?

Him and Horcoff should be bought out. You can do a lot with that 11.5 mill in cap space. So sick of these overpaid underachievers teaching these kids how things are done, heck, bring Lecavalier in here.

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#63 clyde
May 20 2013, 04:06PM
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Todd wrote:

You Flamer fans make me laugh. You guys are convinced that cheap/free/awesome/top6/elite players are going to be raining like skittles this season due to the salary cap and then uncle Feaster is going to gobble them all up and become awesome so fast its gonna be sick.

Good luck with that....

PS - I agree Hemsky is worth very little in a trade. But who cares. Keep him, he isn't detrimental and unless we make some sort of monster move I don't think cap space matters much this year. I like him, flaws and all. In a tertiary role on this team he is great depth.

No, I don't think or hope the Flames pick up a number of cheap free agents. A couple young ones would be nice especially if they can add some size and snarl to help the younger skilled players as the rebuild gets going. The Flames have nothing to do with this though. I understand what you are saying about keeping Hemsky but if he slides to the third line, wouldn't you rather the Oilers looked for a younger, tougher option in that spot?

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#64 clyde
May 20 2013, 04:10PM
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geno wrote:

and crosby only had 15G in 36GP. It's called being a playmaker. aye aye aye

"Martin St. Louis only had 17 goals in 48 games this year. He sucks!"

Ok, you got me. 20, 36, 42, 22. Those are the points in those 4 years. You're right. He is an elite offensive player after all.

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#65 madjam
May 20 2013, 04:11PM
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At $.50 on the dollar , Hemsky remains with us till trade deadline when his value goes up markedly if he's having a good season . Chances are , a talent like that should considering our other blossoming talents . We need an upgrade for Hemsky and we are not going to get it dealing him before next trade deadline .

Oilers will probably go for Ribero and someone like B.Sutter . The rest (other 4) will probably just be promotions from the farm club . Will it be enough to be competitive ? Probably not unless we get an additional defenceman of note .

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#66 DSF
May 20 2013, 04:18PM
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madjam wrote:

At $.50 on the dollar , Hemsky remains with us till trade deadline when his value goes up markedly if he's having a good season . Chances are , a talent like that should considering our other blossoming talents . We need an upgrade for Hemsky and we are not going to get it dealing him before next trade deadline .

Oilers will probably go for Ribero and someone like B.Sutter . The rest (other 4) will probably just be promotions from the farm club . Will it be enough to be competitive ? Probably not unless we get an additional defenceman of note .

Chances are better than 50-50 that Hemsky will be injured at the trade deadline.

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#67 Romanus
May 20 2013, 04:46PM
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horndog77 wrote:

Hall-Nuge-Eberle

MPS-Gagner-Yakupov

Jones-Horcoff-Hemsky

Hart-Lander-Brown

looks ok to me, ideally nuge slides to the second line while Gagner and prospects are traded away for large stud #1 center.

That looks alot like the same lineup that finished 24th this year So you expect different results next year?

Hart and Lander need another year in the AHL.

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#68 Rama Lama
May 20 2013, 05:10PM
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horndog77 wrote:

Hall-Nuge-Eberle

MPS-Gagner-Yakupov

Jones-Horcoff-Hemsky

Hart-Lander-Brown

looks ok to me, ideally nuge slides to the second line while Gagner and prospects are traded away for large stud #1 center.

This is exactly the bottom six we have now.........the over rated has beens as I like to call them.

Only Harti and Jones need to be retained..........the rest are as useless as t_ts on a chicken.

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#69 madjam
May 20 2013, 06:29PM
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You all seem to be basing your low opinions of team and Oilers on the last 8 games of season , when unhealthy Hopkins and Hemsky were basically out ! Might be better and more accurate to put more weight into the first 40 games .

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#70 Mr. Common sense
May 20 2013, 06:53PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

This is exactly the bottom six we have now.........the over rated has beens as I like to call them.

Only Harti and Jones need to be retained..........the rest are as useless as t_ts on a chicken.

Oh man, looking at that lineup depresses me, they need A LOT of help and this current lineup would get CRUSHED by any of the teams currently in the playoffs

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#71 Eddie Edmonton
May 20 2013, 06:58PM
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Button is out to lunch, no wonder he is unemployed.

How does TSN think that having a pannel of nobodies counts for something or even a worthy opinion. Who does that ex Calgary backup goalie know at TSN to get a job there. Who is that guy anyway?

Who at TSN thinks people want to hear Kulios? or whatever his name is? The man seems emotionally and mentally unstable for most of the boredcast.

GTFOH with TSN and their poor opinions and insider information.

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#72 oilerman53
May 20 2013, 07:41PM
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Button is always out to cut down the Oilers, all the talking heads at TSN go out and undervalue a guy like Hemsky and yet they were making huge deals involving guys like Dominic Moore a few years ago. I remember watching Tradecenter and all of them making different scenarios and trade proposals for Moore. If Hemsky played for Toronto they'd be talking a Hemsky for Weber deal.

Hemsky has had a few years with a wonky shoulder, his best seasons are a memory right now. I wouldn't say his value is less then a draft pick. His comparables are Havlat, Hossa and Gaborik and when's the last time any of these guys scored more then 30 goals and 70 points? Havlat got traded straight across for Heatley and Havlat is injured as much as Hemsky is! Gaborik is just as much a band aid as the aforementioned two. I hate this constant undervaluing of our players, if you asked Button right now he'd put the five core players valued at a second rounder at best.

When Hemsky is on the guy is ON! He can break the game wide open and I feel he's been playing with a broken body the past few years. I'd give him the first 20 games to see what kind of hot start he can come up with. Hemsky had been the lone highly skilled player on this team for the past six years before Hall, Eberle and Nuge showed up. He constantly had to make the players around him better, he did it admirably but one man cannot run a ship.

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#73 Clyde
May 20 2013, 07:57PM
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geno wrote:

don't include the games played. Smart idea to make your point.

Crosby has had 56, 37, 66

Not near best in the league I guess.

See how that looks?

Great points and great use of stats. Very hard to dispute what you have to say. Lol

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#74 DSF
May 20 2013, 07:59PM
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oilerman53 wrote:

Button is always out to cut down the Oilers, all the talking heads at TSN go out and undervalue a guy like Hemsky and yet they were making huge deals involving guys like Dominic Moore a few years ago. I remember watching Tradecenter and all of them making different scenarios and trade proposals for Moore. If Hemsky played for Toronto they'd be talking a Hemsky for Weber deal.

Hemsky has had a few years with a wonky shoulder, his best seasons are a memory right now. I wouldn't say his value is less then a draft pick. His comparables are Havlat, Hossa and Gaborik and when's the last time any of these guys scored more then 30 goals and 70 points? Havlat got traded straight across for Heatley and Havlat is injured as much as Hemsky is! Gaborik is just as much a band aid as the aforementioned two. I hate this constant undervaluing of our players, if you asked Button right now he'd put the five core players valued at a second rounder at best.

When Hemsky is on the guy is ON! He can break the game wide open and I feel he's been playing with a broken body the past few years. I'd give him the first 20 games to see what kind of hot start he can come up with. Hemsky had been the lone highly skilled player on this team for the past six years before Hall, Eberle and Nuge showed up. He constantly had to make the players around him better, he did it admirably but one man cannot run a ship.

You couldn't get a second round pick for Heatley or Havlat either.

Both have toxic contracts which were traded for each other.

Gaborik is a different beast entirely.

In 2011/12 he scored 41 goals and 76 points.

He's in an entirely different area code than Hemsky.

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#75 Quicksilver ballet
May 20 2013, 08:14PM
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So, everyone who has a low opinion of the Oilers, is off their rocker eh, he's a bum and not just being truthful about most of the Oiler players.

Maybe if the Oilers had someone who faces this reality in management, we wouldn't have to watch this ship year after year after year.

Good on Button for calling a spade, a spade.

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#76 DSF
May 20 2013, 08:17PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

So, everyone who has a low opinion of the Oilers, is off their rocker eh, he's a bum and not just being truthful about most of the Oiler players.

Maybe if the Oilers had someone who faces this reality in management, we wouldn't have to watch this ship year after year after year.

Good on Button for calling a spade, a spade.

Shooting the messenger is the raison d'etre of Oiler fans.

If you have to pay half of Hemsky's contract just to get rid of him, you need to be asking "who signed him to that contract?".

It rhymes with Devin Blowe.

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#77 @Oilanderp
May 20 2013, 08:28PM
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Button expressed an opinion. Either he is right or he isn't. Big deal! He does call attention to the fact that the market for Hemsky, like all highly paid players, right now is limited.

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#78 Quicksilver ballet
May 20 2013, 09:56PM
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@DSF

How much blame should Blowe take for that Horcoff contract. At the time, Katz had just taken control of the Oilers, and wanted to stop the exodus of the Oilers better players leaving town. So he wanted to make a statement with Horcoffs redonkulous extension.

Who takes the blame on that one, Blowe, or Katz. 65-35 Katz?

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#79 Josh Oiler
May 20 2013, 10:23PM
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First of all:

Craig Button is one of the smartest hockey minds on the planet! If Kevin Blow... I mean Kevin Lowe was a smart man.... He'd of hired Button as G.M.

Secondly:

HEMSKEY is 29... If I was GM of another team... Umm don't think I'd give up a second round prospect for Hemmer. Srry guys.

Thirdly:

Keep him until trade deadline day and maybe just maybe we can get a diminishing prospect or two!

Fourthly:

Ten games into the season... If the oilers are sub .500. .... Then it's time to axe Krueger. K.Lowe. Buchberger. S.Smitg and the entire administration.... Period!! The LA Lakers did it barely 5 games into their season and turned it around prior to the playoffs.

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#80 Josh Oiler
May 20 2013, 10:35PM
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2 more thoughts...

HEMSKEY has never had anyone in EDM to play with him on his level. If he did.. This dude would have been Sidney Crosby good. Who Ethan Moreau? LARAQUE??? Peca???? Yeah right!!!!

There's a guy here with the name "Has Taylor Hall asked to be traded yet?" What's with that?? Why???

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#81 fatso
May 20 2013, 10:51PM
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Rama Lama wrote:

There are parts of Hemsky's game that every hockey fan loves.........but he is the furthest thing from a complete hockey player, and has never showed the " team play", aspect that we so desperately need.

Too much end-to-end play with the occasional finish is not enough to get anything more than a secoud round draft choice. We could have probably had Forseberg but Tamby do nothing, did nothing.

At this point I would settle for a third round draft choice for Hemsky. Bye Bye.

so you want someone like Horcoff a good all around sh*t storm.

hemmer would be a good player for any team, and on a good team he would put up more points so talk about players that play there hart out but play like sh*t, we need hemmer for the some sweet moves he has a lot more talent then you think.

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#82 Eddie Edmonton
May 20 2013, 11:11PM
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DSF wrote:

Shooting the messenger is the raison d'etre of Oiler fans.

If you have to pay half of Hemsky's contract just to get rid of him, you need to be asking "who signed him to that contract?".

It rhymes with Devin Blowe.

What message? Who is the messenger?

I thought this article was about some hasbeens pisspoor opinion.

Hemsky with the current contract is easily worh a 2nd round pick to a play-off team.

The Oilers dont have to pay half of Hemsky's contract to get rid of him. They dont even need to get rid of him.

No matter how hard you imagine you will never be Kevin Lowe. AND, no matter how hard Button tries, he will never have another GM job in the NHL.

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#83 Eddie Edmonton
May 20 2013, 11:13PM
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@Oilanderp wrote:

Button expressed an opinion. Either he is right or he isn't. Big deal! He does call attention to the fact that the market for Hemsky, like all highly paid players, right now is limited.

Who are your sources on the market?

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#84 Eddie Edmonton
May 20 2013, 11:18PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

How much blame should Blowe take for that Horcoff contract. At the time, Katz had just taken control of the Oilers, and wanted to stop the exodus of the Oilers better players leaving town. So he wanted to make a statement with Horcoffs redonkulous extension.

Who takes the blame on that one, Blowe, or Katz. 65-35 Katz?

That all depends on how much blowe you do.

Imagine all the blowe lowe could do if lowe wanted to do blowe. Imagine the high he gets, being the head cheese of an NHL team. An NHL team, he got drafted by, scored their first goal in the league, became their first player to coach, then a GM and then today. His best friend is the owner of the team. I wonder if Ma$e and Brandy are there with him.

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#85 clyde
May 20 2013, 11:24PM
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Eddie Edmonton wrote:

What message? Who is the messenger?

I thought this article was about some hasbeens pisspoor opinion.

Hemsky with the current contract is easily worh a 2nd round pick to a play-off team.

The Oilers dont have to pay half of Hemsky's contract to get rid of him. They dont even need to get rid of him.

No matter how hard you imagine you will never be Kevin Lowe. AND, no matter how hard Button tries, he will never have another GM job in the NHL.

So DSF and a former GM who may actually have sources are clueless but you know for a fact that the Oil can get a 2nd rounder easily? Sounds reasonable.

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#86 Eddie Edmonton
May 20 2013, 11:32PM
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clyde wrote:

So DSF and a former GM who may actually have sources are clueless but you know for a fact that the Oil can get a 2nd rounder easily? Sounds reasonable.

I didn't say I knew for a fact, I don't. I was stating my opinion just like every other GM on here.

What sounds reasonable?

Apply reason, then, honestly, try to tell me that the best Oilers would get for Hemsky is a 3rd round pick.

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#87 clyde
May 20 2013, 11:36PM
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Eddie Edmonton wrote:

I didn't say I knew for a fact, I don't. I was stating my opinion just like every other GM on here.

What sounds reasonable?

Apply reason, then, honestly, try to tell me that the best Oilers would get for Hemsky is a 3rd round pick.

Although I don't know, I would assume the reasons would include injury history, strong draft, lack of production despite being just an offensive player, contract in a declining cap era and the fact that he will be a 30 year old player. And, the Flames don't have a 2nd rounder.

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#88 wiseguy
May 21 2013, 02:09AM
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Spydyr wrote:

"There has been a lot of talk in Edmonton about the possibility of drafting Sean Monahan, but one of the problems for such aspirations is that the Calgary Flames pick before the Oilers, and he's certainly a potential fit for that club as well. In Flames first round target: Sean Monahan, Kent Wilson looks at the numbers and the scouting reports; here's part of what he had to say"

Good thing the Oilers won those last two not quite so meaningless games. Some of us caught flack hoping for loses. In hindsight what would you rather have four meaningless points or Sean Monahan?

Thought so.

Actually, I was at the season ending game against Vancouver with my family and had a blast. Having sat through so many crappy losses, offering me Sean Monaghan next year in exchange for us having to sit through another dreadful for my $700... No thanks.

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#89 Yardbird
May 21 2013, 07:07AM
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Yeah second rounders are worthless like the Oilers in 2006 picked up Sergei Samsonov from Boston for a second rounder (54th overall) that Boston used to draft Milan Lucic. 2 nd rounders + a competent scouting staff can sometimes work wonders.

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#90 Eddie Shore
May 21 2013, 07:33AM
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Believe it or not, there is probably a reason Button works for TSN and not an NHL team.

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#91 Spydyr
May 21 2013, 07:44AM
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wiseguy wrote:

Actually, I was at the season ending game against Vancouver with my family and had a blast. Having sat through so many crappy losses, offering me Sean Monaghan next year in exchange for us having to sit through another dreadful for my $700... No thanks.

Glad you enjoyed the OIlers beating Vancouver's farm team. It is Monaghan for the next six years minimum. Enjoy those as he plays in Calgary.

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#92 Grahaeme
May 21 2013, 08:10AM
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It's awesome that the Oiler trolls find themselves twisting in knots to defend the genius of Button.

Strange bedfellows!

I can't wait until we hear Milbury's assessment of Gagner.

Haha. Golden.

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#93 Zamboni Driver
May 21 2013, 10:04AM
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What I think the Oilers REALLY need is a 2nd round draft pick.

Also a few more guys about 5'9".

Possibly an old goalie.

Who gives a hell if they can get a 2nd rounder for Hemsky or not?

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#94 ed in edmonton
May 21 2013, 12:40PM
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Although the message is not popular, I don't think Button is that far off. How many seasons has it been since AH has preformed up to expectations? I'm thinking 4.

If you are another team why would you take on a 5 million dollar contract for a guy who hasn't produced in years. Even at half price return would not be great.

Only option for the Oil is to keep Hemsky and hope he plays better. If he does play well next year he could get a good return at the deadline (if the Oilers are sellers). If he has another injury filled disappointing year, they have just wasted a bunch or Katz's money.

Oilers fans have had a tendency to severely overrate Hemsky.

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#95 oilerman53
May 22 2013, 04:32PM
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/756830-george-mcphee-and-the-10-worst-gms-in-nhl-history/page/3

Button sent off St Louis for a song, and all he's done in Tampa is win a cup and two Art Ross Trophys and help turn Steven Stamkos into the one of the best goal scorers of this era. Button is a moron, I hope Hemmer reads this and stuffs it down his throat.

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