THE OILERS AND THE COMBINE LIST

Lowetide
May 20 2013 03:15PM

We're just a few weeks away from the 2013 NHL Entry Draft. The Edmonton Oilers have stocked the cupboards with #1 overall's and many picks inside the top 100 since 2010, and this year's draft will feature three early picks (unless there's a trade). There's a very good chance we know their names as of today: the NHL combine list has been released.

If we go back over the past 5 seasons and match the Combine list against the Oilers picks inside the top 100, we come up with the following:

2008 Oilers draft

  • Jordan Eberle selected #22 overall, ranked #29 (attended combine)
  • Johan Motin selected #103 overall, unranked (attended combine)
  • Phil Cornet selected #133 overall
  • Teemu Hartikainen selected #163 overall
  • Jordan Bendfeld selected #193 overall

2009 Oilers draft

  • Magnus Paajarvi selected #10 overall, ranked #10 (attended combine)
  • Anton Lander selected #40 overall, ranked HM (attended combine)
  • Troy Hesketh selected #71 overall
  • Cameron Abney selected #82 overall
  • Kyle Bigos selected #99 overall
  • Toni Rajala selected #101 overall, ranked #50 (attended combine)
  • Olivier Roy selected #133 overall, ranked HM (attended combine)

2010 Oilers draft

  • Taylor Hall selected #1, ranked #1 (attended combine)
  • Tyler Pitlick selected #31, ranked #25 (attended combine)
  • Martin Marincin selected #56, ranked #71 (attended combine)
  • Curtis Hamilton selected #48, ranked 57 (attended combine)
  • Ryan Martindale selected #61, ranked 58 (attended combine)
  • Jeremie Blain selected #91
  • Tyler Bunz selected #121, not ranked (attended combine)
  • Brandon Davidson selected #162, not ranked (attended combine)
  • Drew Czerwonka selected #166
  • Kristians Pelss selected #181
  • Kellen Jones selected #202

2011 Oilers draft

  • Ryan Nugent Hopkins selected #1, ranked #1 (attended combine)
  • Oscar Klefbom selected #19, ranked #21 (attended combine)
  • David Musil selected #31, ranked #41 (attended combine)
  • Samu Perhonen selected #62, ranked #51 (attended combine)
  • Travis Ewanyk selected #74, ranked HM (attended combine)
  • Dillon Simpson selected #92
  • Tobias Rieder selected #114, unranked (attended combine)
  • Martin Gernat selected #122
  • Frans Tuohimaa selected #182

2012 Oilers draft

  • Nail Yakupov selected #1, ranked #1 (attended combine)
  • Mitchell Moroz selected #32, ranked #56 (attended combine)
  • Jujhar Khaira selected #63, not ranked (attended combine)
  • Daniil Zharkov selected #91, ranked #47 (attended combine)
  • Erik Gustafsson selected #93
  • Joey Laleggia selected #123
  • John McCarron selected #153

A few notes:

  • Since 2008, when making a selection inside the top 100 players, Edmonton has selected a player who was not at the combine 6 times: Troy Hesketh, Cameron Abney, Kyle Bigos, Jeremie Blain, Dillon Simpson, Erik Gustafsson. Although Simpson is a solid to very good prospect, it is not an impressive group.
  • We shouldn’t expect this to be an area of strength, this is “drafting for need” and rarely works out. However, it's interesting to note just how many (Hesketh, Bigos, Blain) were not extended contracts. Only Cam Abney has a signed pro contract (with the Oilers) from the group.

THIS YEAR'S LIST

I have highlighted players (with some notes) the possible Oiler targets. Edmonton's draft picks for the top 100 this summer are (at this time) #7, #37 and somewhere around #58 (ANA pick for Cogliano). List and NHL blog is here.

North American skaters
Rank - Player Team (League) Position
1 - Seth Jones Portland (WHL) D
2 - Nathan MacKinnon Halifax (QMJHL) C
3 - Jonathan Drouin Halifax (QMJHL) LW
4 - Darnell Nurse Sault Ste. Marie (OHL) D

5 - Sean Monahan: fine -way center

Ottawa (OHL) C
6 - Hunter Shinkaruk Medicine Hat (WHL) C/LW
7 - Valentin Zykov Baie - Comeau (QMJHL) LW
8 - Frederik Gauthier Rimouski (QMJHL) C
9 - Mirco Mueller Everett (WHL) D
10 - Anthony Mantha-scorer with size
Val - d'Or (QMJHL) RW
11 - Shea Theodore Seattle (WHL) D
12 - Ryan Pulock Brandon (WHL) D
13 - Zach Nastasiuk Owen Sound (OHL) RW
14 - Chris Bigras Owen Sound (OHL) D
15 - Bo Horvat London (OHL) C
16 - Ryan Hartman Plymouth (OHL) RW
17 - Kerby Rychel: size, skill, grit
Windsor (OHL) LW
18 - Wiliam Carrier Cape Breton (QMJHL) LW
19 - Max Domi: impressive finish
London (OHL) C/LW
20 - Curtis Lazar: insider knowledge
Edmonton (WHL) C/LW
21 - James Lodge Saginaw (OHL) C
22 - Nikita Zadorov: Mountain on skates
London (OHL) D
23 - Samuel Morin Rimouski (QMJHL) D
24 - Ian McCoshen Waterloo (USHL) D
25 - Morgan Klimchuk Regina (WHL) LW
26 - Adam Erne Quebec (QMJHL) LW
27 - Joshua Morrissey Prince Albert (WHL) D
28 - Laurent Dauphin Chicoutimi (QMJHL) C
29 - Jon Hayden USA U - 18 (USHL) C
30 - Jason Dickinson Guelph (OHL) C
31 - Dillon Heatherington Swift Current (WHL) D
32 - Madison Bowey: 2-way prospect
Kelowna (WHL) D
33 - Nicolas Petan: small, skilled
Portland (WHL) C
34 - JT Compher: Skill
USA U - 18 (USHL) LW
35 - Michael McCarron: Bull in china shop
USA U - 18 (USHL) RW
36 - Oliver Bjorkstrand Portland (WHL) RW
37 - Jonathan - Ismael Diaby Victoriaville (QMJHL) D
38 - Justin Bailey Kitchener (OHL) RW
39 - Emile Poirier Gatineau (QMJHL) LW
40 - Brett Pesce New Hampshire (H - East) D
41 - Eric Roy Brandon (WHL) D
42 - Adam Tambellini Surrey (BCHL) C
43 - Jan Kostalek Rimouski (QMJHL) D
44 - Thomas Vanelli Minnetonka (High - Mn) D
45 - Connor Hurley Edina High (High - Mn) C
46 - Myles Bell Kelowna (WHL) LW
47 - Steven Santini: 2-way D, size, mean
USA U - 18 (USHL) D
48 - Nick Sorensen Quebec (QMJHL) RW
49 - Michael Downing Dubuque (USHL) D
50 - Yan Pavel Laplante PEI (QMJHL) C
51 - Gustav Olofsson Green Bay (USHL) D
52 - Gabryel Paquin - Boudreau Baie - Comeau (QMJHL) LW
53 - Keaton Thompson USA U - 18 (USHL) D
54 - Marc - Olivier Roy Blainville - Boisbriand (QMJHL) C
55 - Jordan Subban Belleville (OHL) D
56 - Ryan Fitzgerald Valley (EJHL) C
57 - Anthony Duclair Quebec (QMJHL) LW
58 - Nick Moutrey Saginaw (OHL) C/LW
59 - Mason Geertsen Vancouver (WHL) D
60 - Zachary Sanford Islanders (EJHL) LW
61 - Nicholas Baptiste Sudbury (OHL) RW
62 - Sean Malone USA U - 18 (USHL) C
63 - Ryan Kujawinski Kingston (OHL) C
64 - Teemu Kivihalme Burnsville (High - Mn) D
65 - Jackson Houck Vancouver (WHL) RW
66 - Tyler Lewington Medicine Hat (WHL) D
67 - David Pope: plus size, plus shot
West Kelowna (BCHL) LW
68 - Alexandre Coulombe Stanstead College (High - Qc) D
69 - Michell Wheaton Kelowna (WHL) D
70 - Hudson Fasching USA U - 18 (USHL) RW
71 - Remi Elie London (OHL) LW
72 - Kurt Etchegary Quebec (QMJHL) C
73 - Vincent Dunn Val - d'Or (QMJHL) C
74 - Dylan Labbe Shawinigan (QMJHL) D
75 - Anthony Florentino South Kent School (High - Ct) D
76 - Spenser Jensen Medicine Hat (WHL) D
77 - Avery Peterson Grand Rapids (High - Mn) C
78 - Ty Stanton Medicine Hat (WHL) D
79 - Jeremy Gregoire Baie - Comeau (QMJHL) C
     
1 - Zachary Fucale Halifax (QMJHL) G
2 - Eric Comrie Tri - City (WHL) G
3 - Tristan Jarry Edmonton (WHL) G
4 - Calvin Petersen Waterloo (USHL) G
5 - Spencer Martin Mississauga (OHL) G
6 - Eamon McAdam Waterloo (USHL) G
7 - Philippe Desrosiers Rimouski (QMJHL) G

 

 

European skaters
Rank - Player Team (League) Position
1 - Aleksander Barkov Tappara (Finland) C
2 - Valeri Nichushkin Chelyabinsk (Russia) RW
3 - Elias Lindholm: ridiculous skill
Brynas (Sweden) C
4 - Rasmus Ristolainen: 2-way D
TPS (Finland) D
5 - Alexander Wennberg Djurgarden (Sweden) C
6 - Andre Burakovsky Malmo (Sweden) LW
7 - Jacob De La Rose Leksand (Sweden) LW
8 - Robert Hagg Modo Jr. (Sweden) D
9 - Artturi Lehkonen: skill
Kalpa (Finland) LW
10 - Pavel Buchnevich Cherepovets 2 (Russia) LW
11 - Bogdan Yakimov Nizhnekamsk 2 (Russia) C
12 - Marko Dano Bratislava (Russia) C
13 - Linus Arnesson Djurgarden (Sweden) D
14 - Viktor Crus Rydberg Linkoping Jr. (Sweden) C
     
1 - Juuse Saros HPK Jr. (Finland) G

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#51 Taylor Gang
May 20 2013, 10:36PM
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Stack Pad Save wrote:

Barkov all the way. Somehow the Oilers gotta get this guy. He is a beast, go watch highlights of this guy on youtube. He is the big strong center the Oilers are in desperate need of.

Why wouldn't they just get Monahan then?

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#52 Citizen David
May 20 2013, 11:27PM
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Huge Max Domi fan. He's got crazy skill. Don't see the Oilers going for him though.

I know I'm in the minority but I would be all over trading down. Adding an additional piece while still having players like Domi, Horvat, Lazar, Rychel, Zadorov, Pulock available... This is the right move.

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#53 Walter Sobchak
May 21 2013, 06:38AM
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@Citizen David

I'll give you the Kerby Rychel, love this player.

I have him well ahead of Lazar at any rate.

I watched a lot of OHL this year, I'm telling you Monahan will be better than Horcoff, no question.

As for Pulock, I have questions about his foot speed and overall game? Why he was left off the WJC team?

No question his shot is world class already.

The player that has me warm and fuzzy is Horvat, this is your Horcoff - Peca clone.

I honestly think he could step in next year as a fourth line player, especially on the Oilers.

If these players are gone.

Barkov - Monahan - Lindholm - Nichushkin -

I would finally be willing to trade and move back to pick ether

Gauthier, Horvat or Mantha.

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#54 Citizen David
May 21 2013, 07:13AM
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Walter Sobchak wrote:

I'll give you the Kerby Rychel, love this player.

I have him well ahead of Lazar at any rate.

I watched a lot of OHL this year, I'm telling you Monahan will be better than Horcoff, no question.

As for Pulock, I have questions about his foot speed and overall game? Why he was left off the WJC team?

No question his shot is world class already.

The player that has me warm and fuzzy is Horvat, this is your Horcoff - Peca clone.

I honestly think he could step in next year as a fourth line player, especially on the Oilers.

If these players are gone.

Barkov - Monahan - Lindholm - Nichushkin -

I would finally be willing to trade and move back to pick ether

Gauthier, Horvat or Mantha.

Pulock being left off the WJC team just has to do with being a 17 year old. 17 year old Defensemen very rarely make the WJC and it's no worry when they don't make it.

I am a fan of Horvat, if the Oilers get him I'll be very happy.

Not a Gauither fan, I didn't know anything about him until January. Then I started following him and his game went off a cliff.

I have a ton of belief in Lazar. He's the type of player that Championship teams have on their roster.

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#55 Walter Sobchak
May 21 2013, 07:44AM
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Citizen David wrote:

Pulock being left off the WJC team just has to do with being a 17 year old. 17 year old Defensemen very rarely make the WJC and it's no worry when they don't make it.

I am a fan of Horvat, if the Oilers get him I'll be very happy.

Not a Gauither fan, I didn't know anything about him until January. Then I started following him and his game went off a cliff.

I have a ton of belief in Lazar. He's the type of player that Championship teams have on their roster.

Yes, Gauthier game did go side ways there at the end.

The thing I like to use as a tool on whom I think quality of a player is, are they the best player on there team?

I look at players like Gauthier - Horvat - Rychel - Mantha - Monahan players in the Oilers range.

These players are there respective teams best player.

Lazar was arguable the third best player on the Oil Kings.

Is Lazar play inflated by his team? I watched a lot of Oil Kings games and came to the conclusion that while Lazar is good, his team made him better.

These other players aside from Horvat, all come from mid to low end teams which they all put up impressive numbers.

It may not mean much but it has to have some effect.

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#56 onlyoil
May 21 2013, 07:57AM
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Here are the players I think who down the road will show that they were taken too high:

Seth Jones. I put him simply cause I think he'll go number one when MacKinnon should go number one and because based on history, I bet he won't be the best defenseman from the draft class. He will be a good defender.

Zachary Fucale. Seriously how is he ranked as the best goalie? Spent most of the season with a sub .900 save percentage, got it just above at the end. People say he'll be good cause he has so many wins. When his team was ranked number one in the CHL. Has not looked good at the top prospect game or so far at the memorial cup.

Sean Monahan. Another player I think will be good. Anyone with foot speed issues scares me a little. I think people who have him projected as a 1a or great #2 center an might be let down. He might just be a Shawn Horcoff. We'll see. He is sort of only picked cause if players move up, some have to move down.

Players I think will cause teams to kick themselves over passing on them:

Max Domi. Crazy skill. So far has out performed Ty Rattie by considerabe margins comparing them year to year. My pick for "should have gone top 5". Height only concern however he is built thick and plays hard. His numbers the next two years of junior will be off the charts.

Kerby Rychel. What is not to love about this player? Back to back 40 goal, over a point per game seasons leading up to his draft year while having good size and a nasty physical edge to his game. Hits, fights, scores. On a brutal team. He'll be the top six power forward every team covets. Mostly I get mad at the lack of respect he gets. Mock drafts and rankings having him in the 20's, and Pronman has him in the 40's! Ridiculous!

Ryan Pulock. Simply astronomical points for a 16 year old defenseman last year: GP 71 G 19 A 41 P 60 +33. This year his stats took a hit but not significantly since he missed games due to injury and his team went from being a second round playoff team last year to being beyond terrible this year. Good size 6'1. Already 210 pounds. And unlike pure offensive Defensemen like the Ryan Murphy's of the world that are defensive liabilities. His scouting reports read that he is a solid reliable all around d-man. My bet for steal of the draft

Excellent post David, I totally agree 100% with you. I wouldn't have a problem with the Oilers trading down for one of the guys you mentioned. To be honest, if they can't trade up to get Barkov which is what I would like to see them do, then trade down for one of the three you mentioned.

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#57 OilersBrass
May 21 2013, 09:19AM
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I think if the Oilers have the chance to draft Elias Lindholm, they will. Everyone seems to be over looking him a bit because of the depth of this draft, but this kid has a TON of skill. People aren't realizing he actually has a decent defensive part to his game, and can be really physical.

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#58 madjam
May 21 2013, 09:27AM
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Taylor Cammarata - all 5 ft. 6 in. -150lbs. of him. An offensive dynamo . The race is on to see who gets him . One less goal than Crosby at Shattenkirk - 70 , but in 5 less games than Sidney's 71 . Coveted by the Flames by the sounds of it .

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#59 OilersBrass
May 21 2013, 09:39AM
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madjam wrote:

Taylor Cammarata - all 5 ft. 6 in. -150lbs. of him. An offensive dynamo . The race is on to see who gets him . One less goal than Crosby at Shattenkirk - 70 , but in 5 less games than Sidney's 71 . Coveted by the Flames by the sounds of it .

At Shattuck you mean?

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#60 madjam
May 21 2013, 11:35AM
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OilersBrass wrote:

At Shattuck you mean?

I STAND CORRECTED , THANK YOU .

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#61 HardBoiledOil
May 21 2013, 12:42PM
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i REALLY hope the Oil can score Michael McCarron with pick #37. yes, he's a bit high to be taken there, but if he ever turns out, big, tough, mean and has some skill...he'd be what we have been looking for up front for a long time!

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#62 mrBacon
May 21 2013, 01:26PM
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Why is Rychel's +/- so bad? Does he play a lot on the PP?

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#63 OILERSORDEATH
May 21 2013, 01:59PM
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Citizen David wrote:

Here are the players I think who down the road will show that they were taken too high:

Seth Jones. I put him simply cause I think he'll go number one when MacKinnon should go number one and because based on history, I bet he won't be the best defenseman from the draft class. He will be a good defender.

Zachary Fucale. Seriously how is he ranked as the best goalie? Spent most of the season with a sub .900 save percentage, got it just above at the end. People say he'll be good cause he has so many wins. When his team was ranked number one in the CHL. Has not looked good at the top prospect game or so far at the memorial cup.

Sean Monahan. Another player I think will be good. Anyone with foot speed issues scares me a little. I think people who have him projected as a 1a or great #2 center an might be let down. He might just be a Shawn Horcoff. We'll see. He is sort of only picked cause if players move up, some have to move down.

Players I think will cause teams to kick themselves over passing on them:

Max Domi. Crazy skill. So far has out performed Ty Rattie by considerabe margins comparing them year to year. My pick for "should have gone top 5". Height only concern however he is built thick and plays hard. His numbers the next two years of junior will be off the charts.

Kerby Rychel. What is not to love about this player? Back to back 40 goal, over a point per game seasons leading up to his draft year while having good size and a nasty physical edge to his game. Hits, fights, scores. On a brutal team. He'll be the top six power forward every team covets. Mostly I get mad at the lack of respect he gets. Mock drafts and rankings having him in the 20's, and Pronman has him in the 40's! Ridiculous!

Ryan Pulock. Simply astronomical points for a 16 year old defenseman last year: GP 71 G 19 A 41 P 60 +33. This year his stats took a hit but not significantly since he missed games due to injury and his team went from being a second round playoff team last year to being beyond terrible this year. Good size 6'1. Already 210 pounds. And unlike pure offensive Defensemen like the Ryan Murphy's of the world that are defensive liabilities. His scouting reports read that he is a solid reliable all around d-man. My bet for steal of the draft

"Max Domi. Crazy skill. So far has out performed Ty Rattie by considerabe margins"

Reeeeheeeheeealy!!! Are you fu%$in high?? what the hell are you watching dude? have you not seen Ty Rattie goals? or are you a little Bias becasue he's playing on an Americam team?

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#64 Walter Sobchak
May 21 2013, 02:31PM
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mrBacon wrote:

Why is Rychel's +/- so bad? Does he play a lot on the PP?

His team was really bad, that's why +/- isn't a good indicator of ones skill.

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#65 Citizen David
May 21 2013, 05:52PM
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OILERSORDEATH wrote:

"Max Domi. Crazy skill. So far has out performed Ty Rattie by considerabe margins"

Reeeeheeeheeealy!!! Are you fu%$in high?? what the hell are you watching dude? have you not seen Ty Rattie goals? or are you a little Bias becasue he's playing on an Americam team?

I could have been more clear. Rattie is two years older than Domi so to compare them look at Rattie's numbers at ages 16-17.

Ty Rattie 16 year old season: GP 61 G 17 A 20 P 37 Max Domi 16 year old season: GP 62 G 21 A 28 P 49

Ty Rattie 16 year old playoffs: GP 13 G 2 A 2 P 4 Max Domi 16 year old playoffs GP 19 G 4 A 5 P 9

Ty Rattie 17 year old season: GP 67 G 28 A 51 P 79 Max Domi 17 year old season: GP 64 G 39 A 48 P 87

Ty Rattie 17 year old playoffs: GP 21 G 9 A 13 P 22 Max Domi 17 year old playoffs: GP 21 G 11 A 21 P 32

To be fair I have no idea if Domi got more opportunity than Rattie ( I don't think so) and Rattie's last two seasons have been amazing and Domi will be hard pressed to match. But Domi preformed better than Rattie's first two years. And his skill is evident.

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#66 OilersBrass
May 21 2013, 06:36PM
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Citizen David wrote:

I could have been more clear. Rattie is two years older than Domi so to compare them look at Rattie's numbers at ages 16-17.

Ty Rattie 16 year old season: GP 61 G 17 A 20 P 37 Max Domi 16 year old season: GP 62 G 21 A 28 P 49

Ty Rattie 16 year old playoffs: GP 13 G 2 A 2 P 4 Max Domi 16 year old playoffs GP 19 G 4 A 5 P 9

Ty Rattie 17 year old season: GP 67 G 28 A 51 P 79 Max Domi 17 year old season: GP 64 G 39 A 48 P 87

Ty Rattie 17 year old playoffs: GP 21 G 9 A 13 P 22 Max Domi 17 year old playoffs: GP 21 G 11 A 21 P 32

To be fair I have no idea if Domi got more opportunity than Rattie ( I don't think so) and Rattie's last two seasons have been amazing and Domi will be hard pressed to match. But Domi preformed better than Rattie's first two years. And his skill is evident.

Do you have their Time On Ice stats for those years as well?

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#67 Citizen David
May 21 2013, 07:44PM
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No I don't. That's why I said I don't know if they got equal opportunity. Both were on loaded teams. Rattie would be playing behind, Niederreirer, Johanson, and Baertchi. Domi would be playing behind Namestnikov, McKegg, Knight, and Griffith. I suspect it would be close. But I don't know.

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