Can Devan Dubnyk meet Craig MacTavish’s expectations?

Jonathan Willis
May 24 2013 01:19PM

Last night, new Oilers general manager Craig MacTavish participated in a question and answer session with Oilers season ticket holders. The question of goaltending came up, and as he has since taking the job, MacTavish indicated significant concerns about incumbent Devan Dubnyk.

”If you have to ask the question…”

In between all but saying that Nikolai Khabibulin would not be back, and that the organization doesn’t have confidence in Yann Danis to replace him, MacTavish said this about Devan Dubnyk:

Devan, I think that you're right, the verdict is out on Devan. I've always believed that when you're assessing goaltenders, if you have to ask the question you know the answer. The question would be, has Devan established himself as a number one goalie in the National Hockey League? And I still think it's a valid question. So, I think that Devan, although he's trending upwards in his numbers and played adequately for us this year, I still think, and I know Devan feels the same way, that there's another level for him. From our standpoint, we'll see that he can get to that level.

And here’s what MacTavish said in his end of season press conference:

I think Devan took a step this year. His numbers were good, on the year. I think he’s got further to go. To be a top level goaltender he’s got to play better. Not to say that goaltending was any reason we were in the situation we were in; he took a lot of good looks night in and night out, breakaways, shots from the slot. But he’s a guy who is still developing, still growing as a goaltender, so I have lots of faith in his ability to get there, but you’ve got to make the development happen. I think Devan going into the summer has really got a proper focus, he’s going to be around Edmonton, he’s going to put in a good summer of training and I think it’s going to have a huge benefit in his ability to perform next year.

The Numbers

Devan Dubnyk posted a 0.920 save percentage last season, tied with Washington’s Braden Holtby for 11th among starting goaltenders. However, his even-strength save percentage was scarcely better (0.922) and ranked 19th among starting goalies.

This matters because Dubnyk had an extremely high save percentage number on the penalty kill, and typically those numbers can’t be sustained. Ryan Miller is a great case in point – in 2009-10, he was Ryan Miller, Vezina Trophy Winner (0.928 EVSV%, 0.919 PKSV%) and this year he’s Ryan Miller, guy the Sabres are open to trading away (0.928 EVSV%, 0.862 PKSV%).

Unlike MacTavish, I do see Dubnyk as an established starting goalie. However, I don’t see him as an established above average starting goaltender, and it could well be that MacTavish is one of the (many) hockey people out there that believe a team needs an above-average starter to be successful.

Can Dubnyk get there? Maybe. In recent history, players like Tomas Vokoun, Kari Lehtonen, and Jimmy Howard have all posted significantly better numbers after their age-26 season. Others, though – including Evgeni Nabokov, Jose Theodore, Martin Biron, Patrick Lalime and Chris Osgood - have seen their numbers either stay flat or deteriorate.

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Jonathan Willis is a freelance writer. He currently works for Oilers Nation, Sportsnet, the Edmonton Journal and Bleacher Report. He's co-written three books and worked for myriad websites, including Grantland, ESPN, The Score, and Hockey Prospectus. He was previously the founder and managing editor of Copper & Blue.
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#1 Citizen David
May 24 2013, 01:24PM
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Yes he can.

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#2 Racki
May 24 2013, 01:46PM
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I know teams can be successful without great goaltending (times seem to have changed), but I think that approach also requires a must more solid team across the board for it to work. That said, that's something we should be striving for (being more solid in all aspects).

But I mentioned in another post and will bring it up here, I think a guy who can handle the puck well would be an invaluable asset to the team. Mike Smith is one of those elite-level puck handlers. When you look at our team, you see we get hemmed in our zone a lot, and that can start on a dump in, with the goaltender killing the play behind the net, and allowing the opposing team to break into our zone, and regain possession in the chaos. I think a guy like Smith who can get the puck out in a hurry would help that part of our game immensely. That's just one area I would improve on. I do like almost all other areas of Dubnyk's game though. But his his puckhandling ability is a detriment(same goes for Khabi).

Smith won't come cheap, and some will hate the idea of spending big money (guessing ~$5M) on a position they feel isn't so important. I get that. But I think it will pay dividends to have a top notch puck handler in net.. whether that's Smith or someone else skilled in that area.

Dubnyk already makes $3.5M.. let's face it, that isn't one of our bargain contracts.

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#3 Alsker
May 24 2013, 01:54PM
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Wait, we have a GM with expectations?? Doesnt MacT realize that leads to accountability?? That could be a hard pill to swallow for a bunch of guys in the organization that havent heard that word in a long time. QSB has been compiling a list of them for a few years now,lol, as for Dubnyk, like him but really needs a partner to be challenge for both of them.

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#4 The Funky Chicken Has Left The Building
May 24 2013, 02:07PM
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Which other NHL team's starting goaltender could Dubnyk start in front of? (insert jeopardy music here) Exactly!! Oilers obviously need to upgrade in goal just to compete for a playoff berth.

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#5 vetinari
May 24 2013, 02:10PM
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I'm happy that MacT is looking for another goalie to either push Dubnyk or else take the starter's job from him if he folds.

I find that Dubnyk will play some amazing hockey and then give up a weak goal or two in a game that is both deflating to his team and often difference makers. If he can eliminate those bad goals, he would certainly move up the NHL goalie rankings but until then, he's just an average NHL starter.

Rolosson is the last starter that I can think of that I had complete confidence in when he took to the ice. Since Rolosson, we've drifted around looking for a legitimate starter (JDD, Morrison, Markannen, Garon and others have all come and went in that time) and Dubnyk feels like he's close to being a starter but not a consistent one.

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#6 Rocket
May 24 2013, 02:10PM
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The Funky Chicken Has Left The Building wrote:

Which other NHL team's starting goaltender could Dubnyk start in front of? (insert jeopardy music here) Exactly!! Oilers obviously need to upgrade in goal just to compete for a playoff berth.

You don't think Philly would consider replacing ol' Breezy with Dubnyk? Or how 'bout Pittsburgh? How's Fleury working out?

I don't know if Dubnyk will meet MacT's expectations but I for one am willing to give him a chance. I just hope he cuts down on those softies.

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#7 Will
May 24 2013, 02:11PM
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Nice to hear our GM isn't happy settling with simply good numbers but wants a goalie with great numbers between our pipes.

Having said that, there were more nights that Dubnyk stole games than there were nights he gave games away.

Like Mac T said, he's still trending upwards and if he can find that next gear then we will be hard pressed to find a better starter.

Hopefully Mac T can get a good back up that can handle a 35 game load so Duby doesn't have to be entirely leaned on.

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#8 Rambelaya
May 24 2013, 02:16PM
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Will wrote:

Nice to hear our GM isn't happy settling with simply good numbers but wants a goalie with great numbers between our pipes.

Having said that, there were more nights that Dubnyk stole games than there were nights he gave games away.

Like Mac T said, he's still trending upwards and if he can find that next gear then we will be hard pressed to find a better starter.

Hopefully Mac T can get a good back up that can handle a 35 game load so Duby doesn't have to be entirely leaned on.

This. People always gripe about the softies, and conveniently ignore all the nights where Duby stood on his head just to keep the Oil in it (even if we ended up losing). He's not there yet, but he's well on his way.

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#9 The Soup Fascist
May 24 2013, 02:17PM
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I am not sure Dubnyk is the real deal, or not. To me though, the Oilers have way bigger and more urgent problems than Dubnyk.

Arguably the worst defence in the NHL and without a doubt the softest team in the league. Address those first please, MacT and then look for the Grade A stopper.

If a bona fide starter falls in your lap, great but I would not chase a big $ UFA unless you planned to move DD. Having more than $6 - maybe $7 million tied up in goaltending is heading for cap hell, IMO. Find a capable backup and move on to the more pertinent problems at hand.

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#10 Racki
May 24 2013, 02:18PM
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I think Dubnyk is solid enough in net. The 'one bad goal a game' stuff seems to be overstated. I think as Will said, he stole more games than he gave away, last year. He's reliable. But I think he's reliable as a 1a/1b type, not as a 50+ games guy. And I'll just re-state how I think adding a good puckhandler (in goal) would do wonders for our offensive game / transition... much like Roli's well timed long-bombs. SO that said, my preference is for Dub to be a 1a/1b guy, or a backup for a goalie that can handle the puck a lot better.

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#11 Rocket
May 24 2013, 02:24PM
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Rambelaya wrote:

This. People always gripe about the softies, and conveniently ignore all the nights where Duby stood on his head just to keep the Oil in it (even if we ended up losing). He's not there yet, but he's well on his way.

Yeah no kidding. I think if The Oilers had a solid defence in front of him & forwards who didn't constantly turn the puck over, we would be praising Dubnyk for his solid play.

Instead, some fans want to get another goalie to "push" Dubnyk.

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#12 The Funky Chicken Has Left The Building
May 24 2013, 02:31PM
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Rocket wrote:

You don't think Philly would consider replacing ol' Breezy with Dubnyk? Or how 'bout Pittsburgh? How's Fleury working out?

I don't know if Dubnyk will meet MacT's expectations but I for one am willing to give him a chance. I just hope he cuts down on those softies.

Somebodys worse than us....woo hoo. So with 30 NHL starters what number do you have Dubnyk at? (do not take into consideration some teams number 2s are ahead of Duby)

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#13 Will
May 24 2013, 02:32PM
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Rocket wrote:

Yeah no kidding. I think if The Oilers had a solid defence in front of him & forwards who didn't constantly turn the puck over, we would be praising Dubnyk for his solid play.

Instead, some fans want to get another goalie to "push" Dubnyk.

It would be interesting to see Dubnyk's numbers with a capable defence in front of him.

I think Mac T faults him on consistency, which is a valid complaint of Dubnyk. However, a better defence will do nothing but help Dubnyk improve.

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#14 WhattaMike
May 24 2013, 02:36PM
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Nice Write Up...JW. I am agreeing with MacT on that while Dubnyk did decently this year he still has to grow.

i see no problem getting another equal to better type goalie right now to work with Dubnyk or push him.

Also, what is his contract at right now?....one more year?

I like very much to make a play for Mike Smith (who was Team Canada teammate to Dubnyk which helps as well) or looking hard at Khudobin....even making a trade with the Bruins for the rights to offer a contract. Not sold on Emery as I do see injury problems and days of bad tending here and there. Look at what the oilers did to him and Crawford the season before.

I have to say that I have been following Olivier Roy in the ECHl playoffs and he is doing excellently. He should be the #1 goalie for the Barons next season with what his playoffs stats have been like.

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#15 WhattaMike
May 24 2013, 02:50PM
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hey JW or anyone out here for that matter,

Does anyone know if the goalies will be given freedom behind the net again before the small zone rule?...meaning those lines are removed behind the net.

If thas the case Mike Smith and his puck handling skills would be most sought after...unless Khudobin is good with the puck as well.

Oh yeah, we need a goalie to play like Roloson did when he first came here, of like Cujo did against Dallas, or,...lol....let me state that do i ever miss both the Grant Fuhr/Andy Moog tandem.

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#16 2004Z06
May 24 2013, 02:52PM
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Dubnyk is not the problem....With our potential firepower and if we get a solid defence, he doesn't need to be great every night. He does need to be good however. No need to upgrade the starter, focus on the defence and a solid back-up and we will be fine in our own end....The offence however....that is another story!

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#17 SrCain
May 24 2013, 02:58PM
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I enjoy the majority of your work JW. However this one is sorely lacking in content.

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#18 Klima's Mullet
May 24 2013, 03:17PM
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JW

I thought I read on twitter or LTs website that Dubnyk tied Taylor Hall for the highest player rating on the team from Cult of Hockey...I thought he had a pretty solid season

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#19 G Money
May 24 2013, 03:24PM
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- Personnel management 101: "You did good, we have confidence in you that you'll get better, and we expect better." Putting that MBA to work.

- I have confidence that Dubie *will* get where he needs to go simply because he put up that .920 playing with Whitney, J. Schultz, Petrell, Hordichuk, Belanger, etc in front of him. Maybe the skewed numbers are backward: maybe his high PK SV% is a 'true' number in that it represents the fact that the Oilers were oddly competent on the penalty kill, while his mediocre .922 EV SV% is skewed down by the regular display of defensive incompetence in front of him.

- I expect the Oilers to be better defensively next year (partly because of more exposure and practice time with Ralphie's difficult system, and partly because of better personnel), ergo Dubie's numbers will improve.

Book it!

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#20 Taylor Gang
May 24 2013, 03:47PM
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I agree with the thought that Dubnyk would be much more respected if we had half decent d. The only reason he lets in softies is because there is nobody to clear the crap out of the crease. One Yandle-type defender on the back end and Duby will put up elite numbers

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#22 Randall Shermer
May 24 2013, 04:18PM
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If there was only some kind of stat where we could determine if the spectacular saves sort of even out the softies. Maybe if you scored -1 for a softie let in (above and beyond the routine saves) and if you scored +1 for a great save (above and beyond the routine saves). What would that look like?

Oh yeah, that's precisely save percentage. He's average.

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#24 Rocket
May 24 2013, 04:37PM
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The Funky Chicken Has Left The Building wrote:

Somebodys worse than us....woo hoo. So with 30 NHL starters what number do you have Dubnyk at? (do not take into consideration some teams number 2s are ahead of Duby)

Philly & Pittsburgh are worse than The Oilers? I'll leave that aside.

I don't know exactly where Duby rates among all the starters in the league but I doubt he is the worst. His save % proves it & as I mentioned earlier, his defensive corps are not exactly stellar.

But you are correct: there are better goalies in the NHL I would start over Dubnyk.

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#25 madjam
May 24 2013, 04:39PM
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I was never a big fan of Dubbie , but I doubt any goalie would have done any better with our team . He's good , and if we get a good club around him he may be great yet .You can bet Flames , Canucks and most other clubs would love to have him , even if only as a reliable backup . Miller , Fleury , Luongo , etc. seem to be falling apart while Dubbie continues to get better . Emery looks like a good secondary goalie , but health concerns makes one wonder if he is reliable enough to bank on being primary goalie .

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#26 Quicksilver ballet
May 24 2013, 05:03PM
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"Looking to bring in a couple goaltenders this summer" could also mean the end of Devan Dubnyk here as well. No sense giving Mike Smith all that cash only to have him split duties with the Dubvious one. Much like Gagner is an asset, so could be Dubnyk if it gets the Oilers what they need. Good to see not everyone in those offices is drinking the Koolaid when it comes to all these kids.

The addition of two 20+ minute a night players, and the Oilers are a very different hockey club. Let alone making a switch in goal with Mike Smith, or a recently bought out Roberto Luongo, git'er done MacT.

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#27 Walter Sobchak
May 24 2013, 07:29PM
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I'm not a huge Dubnyk fan, however,I think he can be better, it really kills the team when he lets his trade mark bad goal at the worst time in.

Would his numbers be better if his defense was better? I think so.

Get a better defense then lets see if his numbers increase, I think they will once Weber arrives. hahaa

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#28 Jimmer
May 24 2013, 07:33PM
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He's not Brodeur or Kipper but give the guy a decent defense and some forwards that actually back check once in a while and then let's evaluate him.

This team, as it sits right now, would make any great netminder look average or below average.

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#29 DSF
May 24 2013, 08:37PM
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With Patrick Roy now in charge in Colorado, expect them to be very aggressive singing the best goaltender available.

Mike Smith would seem the best of the available bunch.

After they draft Seth Jones and likely trade Paul Statsny, they could be well on their way.

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#30 TV6
May 24 2013, 08:53PM
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@Jonathan Willis

I may not be a fan of your scribes J.W., but you usually do have some sort of credence to your work, but to say D.D. is a better Tender than Pavlec, Bryz, Kipper & Marty is beyond laughable...

You should be ashamed that you penned that in a public forum.

And to even hint at that DD is any where NEAR Quick in LA because of a % issue is even more disturbing than your 1st diatribe...

Talk about a "analytic's guy" gone wrong...

x6

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#31 DSF
May 24 2013, 09:16PM
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TV6 wrote:

I may not be a fan of your scribes J.W., but you usually do have some sort of credence to your work, but to say D.D. is a better Tender than Pavlec, Bryz, Kipper & Marty is beyond laughable...

You should be ashamed that you penned that in a public forum.

And to even hint at that DD is any where NEAR Quick in LA because of a % issue is even more disturbing than your 1st diatribe...

Talk about a "analytic's guy" gone wrong...

x6

To be fair, JW pointed out Dubnyk's SH SV% is totally unsustainable.

At the end of the day, he's a below average starting goaltender and I think MacT knows it.

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#32 horndog77
May 24 2013, 09:22PM
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Would the Oilers be interested in Ryan Miller? Sure its a long shot but maybe they could trade a bad contract to offset his salary. Then DD can be a high priced backup.

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#33 wiseguy
May 25 2013, 01:20AM
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The Funky Chicken Has Left The Building wrote:

Which other NHL team's starting goaltender could Dubnyk start in front of? (insert jeopardy music here) Exactly!! Oilers obviously need to upgrade in goal just to compete for a playoff berth.

I lose but only because I can't even think of the names of any of Calgarys goalies. Dub can play in front of those guys.

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#34 steveb12344
May 25 2013, 08:07AM
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TV6 wrote:

I may not be a fan of your scribes J.W., but you usually do have some sort of credence to your work, but to say D.D. is a better Tender than Pavlec, Bryz, Kipper & Marty is beyond laughable...

You should be ashamed that you penned that in a public forum.

And to even hint at that DD is any where NEAR Quick in LA because of a % issue is even more disturbing than your 1st diatribe...

Talk about a "analytic's guy" gone wrong...

x6

I don't always agree with JW either, but this is just a ridiculous comment!

JW was speaking statistically.

As we know Duby posted a .920 sp this season.

Brodeur (obviously the better career goalie) posted a .901 this year. Quick a .902, and Pavelec a .905

I don't think anyone would argue that The Oilers had the weakest D out of that group of 4 teams.

While i agree that Duby still has to get better to solidify himself as a proven no.1. He certainly has earned at least another look.

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#35 Quicksilver ballet
May 25 2013, 08:21AM
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You know you're in trouble when the mathletes get involved.

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#36 j
May 25 2013, 08:39AM
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Jonathan Willis wrote:

I don't think player grades are a good method for evaluation, honestly.

While not terribly objective, I think 'player grades' are actually a very good metric for evaluating players as it captures things like hits, energy, on ice effectiveness etc while taking account of advanced stats. Dub may have had a terrible save percentage one night but it was due to horrific defensive coverage - this won't show in any stats column but will show in the 'player grade' write up. 'Player grades' are actually a proxy for how valuable the player was to the team on a particular night. That seems like a fairly good marker to me - especially when trended over the course of many games/year.

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#37 Gaz
May 25 2013, 09:22AM
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DSF wrote:

With Patrick Roy now in charge in Colorado, expect them to be very aggressive singing the best goaltender available.

Mike Smith would seem the best of the available bunch.

After they draft Seth Jones and likely trade Paul Statsny, they could be well on their way.

Should we now include Colorado in your list of wet-dream teams?

You sure rely on a lot of assumptions in advancing your arguments, and carve others when they do the same. Likely trade Paul Stasny? Based on what excatly? He's the same underperforming player that you lambaste the Oilers for, except he plays for another team, so now he's marketable?

Here come the flood of random stats to advance an argument, with complete disregard for the stats that don't.

Your schtick is predictable.

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#38 Spydyr
May 25 2013, 10:56AM
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As GM you should be looking at making your team better in al aspects.Just because the defense is worse then the goaltending does not mean you don't try to get better in goal too.

There are many,many deficiencies with the Oilers.If you get a chance to improve any part of the team a good GM does that.There are better goalies then Dubbie and it appears Mac-T knows that.

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#40 Quicksilver ballet
May 25 2013, 11:48AM
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In this 5 goal a game league, anyone with a 2.50 GAA or greater, should be under the microscope.

Playing goal is a very selfish position. No matter the reason/how the scoring chance comes about, it's your opportunity to be the difference maker. The Oilers just need to find a greedier somm-beach when it comes to a goaltender. Look how Lundqvist is masking all of the Rangers issues.

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#41 Wax Man Riley
May 25 2013, 03:53PM
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@Jonathan Willis

TV6 wrote:
I may not be a fan of your scribes J.W., but you usually do have some sort of credence to your work, but to say D.D. is a better Tender than Pavlec, Bryz, Kipper & Marty is beyond laughable... You should be ashamed that you penned that in a public forum. And to even hint at that DD is any where NEAR Quick in LA because of a % issue is even more disturbing than your 1st diatribe... Talk about a "analytic's guy" gone wrong... x6

Ondrej Pavelec, over the last three seasons, has had 0.914, 0.906 and most recently a 0.905 campaign. He is a career 0.907 goalie.

Devan Dubnyk, in the same span, has posted a 0.916, 0.914 and 0.920 save percentage. He is a career 0.913 goalie. Ondrej Pavelec dreams of being the kind of goaltender Devan Dubnyk is.

Ilya Bryzgalov, over the same span, has posted 0.921, 0.909 and 0.900 save percentages. He is a career 0.913 SV% goalie. The numbers are similar, but Dubnyk a) is cheaper b) has a better track record recently and c) isn't a headcase. I'll take Dubnyk, thanks.

Miikka Kiprusoff was once a great goalie. At this point in his career, he's terrible. Over the last six seasons he's fluctuated between quite good (one 0.920, one 0.921 campaign), bad (0.906, 0.903, 0.906, 0.882). That 0.882 SV% year, coming at the age of 36, was this season - he's done.

Martin Brodeur was also once a great goalie. Not any more. Over the last three seasons he has 0.903, 0.908 and 0.901 campaigns to his credit; all well below NHL average. At the age of 41, there's no shred of doubt in my mind that I'd rather have Devan Dubnyk as my starter in any game today than Martin Brodeur.

But thanks for coming out.

BOOM, Roasted

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#42 Wax Man Riley
May 25 2013, 04:52PM
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TV6 wrote:

I may not be a fan of your scribes J.W., but you usually do have some sort of credence to your work, but to say D.D. is a better Tender than Pavlec, Bryz, Kipper & Marty is beyond laughable...

You should be ashamed that you penned that in a public forum.

And to even hint at that DD is any where NEAR Quick in LA because of a % issue is even more disturbing than your 1st diatribe...

Talk about a "analytic's guy" gone wrong...

x6

Your post seems to be based on media coverage.

Since DD doesn't get the mainstream media coverage of the tenders that you mentioned, hi splay flies under the radar.

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#43 TV6
May 25 2013, 05:10PM
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@Jonathan Willis

That's why you are a #'s guy JW...

You choose to only look at the side of the story & they are your only recourse when you stand up for your "OPINION", which at the end of the day, stats based or not, is still just a man's opinion when it's all said & done.

I don't give 6 hoots as to what a Save % is when it comes to actually stopping the puck when the game in on the line.

EVERY Bench Boss would start EVERY single 1 of those Tenders over DD if there were playing a game 7.

Every single 1, every single time...

Even Coach K.

My opinion was that your's was laughable, you don't like mine, fair enough. But I'll stick with it thank you very much...

I don't need stats to form an opinion on a player, I use my eyes & common sense. But Thanks for coming out as well...

x6

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#44 Norm
May 26 2013, 04:48AM
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There is an entirely different intellect operating here. The former GM saw what he wanted to see. MacT sees players, coaches and systems as they are. There is no basis for comparison herebetween the two GM's based on hockey sense and the abiity to respond to the real problems with this particular Oiler team.

In light of recent comments by MacT that could not have been made more clear. He speaks clearly and analytically about named players and there is no doubt who he sees as very replaceable for either performance or attitude issues going forward.

Dubnyk has not learned how to control rebounds, respond to any shot other than by dropping to his knees and hoping the puck hits him or stop any shot over his shoulder. Other than that he is an awesome goaltender.

MacT sees that and has identified it to Dubnyk in post season reviews and Dubnyk agrees. Clearly the new GM has identified a problem and is going to deal with it. What has changed here is a GM who sees what needs to improve and he is prepared to make the necessary moves to solve it

Refreshing!

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#45 rickithebear
May 27 2013, 12:19PM
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JW:

For some reason People equate wins to the Goalie. 1. can they be the leading scorer on the team. N0? 2. can they prevent shots on Net? No. 3. Can they prevent goals by stoping shots? Yes

Save% is the only measure of just the Goalie. wins and Shots faced is about the forwards and Defence.

Does Shots faced influence the Save%? i do not know? but the Range of shots/game from staters is 22/Gm to 34/gm. There were two Starting goalies in the top 10 save% that faced more than 30 shots per game. Riemer and Dubnyk.

Every time this subject is talked about, I ask replace with Whom. The league average for starters is .916 sv% so he was better this year.

People throw out names without looking at there performance over the last 3-5 years.

they are often embarrasing. top of the list C. Price. 08-09 .905 below Average 09-10 .912 Below average 10-11 .923 Above average 11-12 .916 Average 12-13 .905 below average people suggest we get a goalie who is average or worse 4 of the last 5 years. for more cap hit.

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#46 rickithebear
May 27 2013, 12:26PM
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TV6:

the world states the definition of opinion

Opinion: point of view or ideas not based on facts or knowledge.

"I don't give 6 hoots as to what a Save % is when it comes to actually stopping the puck when the game in on the line."

all goalies can do is stop the puck! I want the player who stops it best.

So not caring about Save%.

Oh! i bet you do not care if hall and eberle score goals!

On the Line! you might want to look at DD save% for Canada the last two years.

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#47 rickithebear
May 27 2013, 12:31PM
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It is the oportunity to be a diifrence maker!

What on the first shot faced or the last!

There are people out there who have thasilly belief the shot at the end matter more than at the start! A stopped shot is a stopped shot!

Hence the trite term a 60 min game!

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