MACTAVISH SHEDS SOME LIGHT

Jason Gregor
May 24 2013 11:27AM

 

Last night Craig MacTavish held a TeleForum where season ticket holders could call in, listen and ask questions. Since I'm a season ticket holder I was able to listen in. His responses to goaltending and the future of Shawn Horcoff and Sam Gagner intrigued me the most.

He was asked about Horcoff and his future with the team. 

Well, I think that that will be determined as the summer goes along with Shawn. I have a lot of respect for Shawn as a guy that really saw him come into the league. He was a player that played at Michigan State and played in our minor league team and came in and I saw him really develop as a player and as a person over the years. The one thing I will say about players like Shawn that have been here for a long period of time, it can have a little bit of a negative effect on your spirit, when Shawn's reaching a certain age in his career. He's gotta get energized as well and we'll see what happens or what the summer has in store for Shawn and the Edmonton Oilers. 

Very interesting comments about the captain. Maybe I'm reading between the lines too much, but I sense whether Horcoff is back or not the Oilers might have a new captain next season. MacTavish suggested he needs to be energized, which suggests Horcoff's desire has been lacking, and I doubt you want your captain's spirit to be lacking.

I do know that his family stayed in Detroit this past season, likely due to their kids being in school for the first half of the year, and no one wants to be apart from their kids for five straight months. Maybe that played a factor, but I'm sure that seven seasons of losing is likely the reason his spirit wasn't as high.

Horcoff has a NMC that becomes a limited NMC (submit a list of ten teams) on July 1st. Maybe a change of scenary will do him good, and considering he is owed $4 million in actual dollars this year, while carrying a $5.5 million cap hit, he could look attractive to teams who need to get to the floor. If I was betting I'd guess there is a better chance he gets traded, rather than bought out.

Does he feel Devan Dubnyk is a legitimate starting goalie, and what about the goaltending situation as a duo?

Well, we're going to be very active in finding at least a couple goalies. I'd like to say about Nik Khabibulin that when he did play, he played very well for us this year. The problem with Nik, from our perspective, is that he's a 40-year-old body who wasn't able to stay as healthy as what you need. But, he did play exceptionally well when he did play and gave us very adequate backup goaltending.

As for Devan, I think that you're right, the verdict is out on Devan. I've always believed that when you're assessing goaltenders, if you have to ask the question you know the answer. The question would be, has Devan established himself as a number one goalie in the National Hockey League? And I still think it's a valid question. So, I think that Devan, although he's trending upwards in his numbers and played adequately for us this year, I still think, and I know Devan feels the same way, that there's another level for him. From our standpoint, we'll see that he can get to that level.

We are looking for a number two goalie and the jury is still out on Yann Danis, who has done a great job for us in the American Hockey League playoffs in Oklahoma City. We definitely have identified goaltending as not an area of strength within our organization. We have very little depth in our organization in net and we're going to address that, too, as well. 

I don't see Danis as an NHL backup, especially if the general manager isn't certain his #1 goalie is ready to be an everyday starter. It was obvious at the trade deadline, when we learned that the Oilers tried to acquire Ben Bishop that they wanted someone to challenge Dubnyk.

A quick scan of the free agent market reveals that Mike Smith, Ray Emery and Anton Khudobin might be the best bets to do that. I'm sure the Coyotes will try to lock up Smith, but the other two could be free agents on July 5th. Khudobin is the most intriguing because of his age, and he might feel he has a better chance to play challening Dubnyk than Tuuka Rask.

Which player on the current roster is would he like to sign long term? 

The one guy that's definitely on our radar in terms of guys that we want to sign is Sam Gagner. He's maybe our most highly profiled restricted free agent. If he chose not to sign a contract with us and took us to arbitration this year, he'd get a one-year award in arbitration and Sam would have the distinction of being the youngest player in the history of the National Hockey League to reach unrestricted status. So, we want to make sure that that doesn't happen. 

Sam likes it here, he has been a valuable member of our team and is always trending up and he'll be a guy that we'll be looking to sign. 

Another interesting response. The Oilers love Gagner's desire, passion and overall competitiveness. He's well-liked in the room and his "give-a-shit" meter is high. There are concerns, however,  with Gagner's defensive game and his inability to win faceoffs.

I'm curious what type of dollar figure and term he and the Oilers would agree on? Is Gagner a $5 million player? If he is, can the Oilers afford to keep him along with their other four young, skilled forwards, 4,14,64 and 93? It depends on their salaires, but MacTavish's comments make it seem likely that Gagner will be an Oiler moving forward.

That leads us to the next obvious question.

Can the Oilers win with a combination of Nugent-Hopkins and Gagner down the middle, or does their lack of size concern him?

Firstly, they're guys that have an exceptionally bright future. Nugent-Hopkins, at his age, being able to accomplish what he's accomplished so far is quite spectacular, really. And he's 20 years old. Sam Gagner is a 23-year-old centerman. 

We're in a league of men and it's a man's game and our guys are very much developing. There's every reason to expect that these players will continue, obviously, to develop and to be able to compete very well against the best centermen in all of hockey. You look at Detroit with Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg as their 1-2 punch, they're not players that are going to overpower you. But, they're players that can win battles and I feel like our centermen are very capable of doing that.

Would we like to add a big centerman? Absolutely, and we'll be trying to acquire that piece. 

I'm always skeptical to compare young kids to one of the best duos in the game. In a perfect scenario Gagner and RNH will morph into Datysuk and Zetterberg, but I think that is wishful thinking. Both of those players are Hall of Fame candidates and it is rare to have two HOF centremen on the same team.

I agree that Gagner and Nugent-Hopkins will improve, but I think the Oilers are setting themselves up for disappointment if they hope they will mirror Zetterberg and Datsyuk. That is an extemely high comparison. If MacT was comparing their styles, then that is a different story. Neither of the Wings' centermen are overly big, but he is accurate in describing how hard they compete and how complete their two-way game is.

At this point Gagner would need to improve a lot in his two-way game to be in the same boat. That won't come with maturity though, it will come from within him and a desire to become that player. You can't teach that, the player has to want to become that player. We've seen offensive players do it, some later in their careers like Steve Yzerman, so it is possible, but it is also extremely difficult.

How will MacTavish approach free agency? 

The UFA market is always a very... I approach that market very cautiously. I think there are a lot of mistakes made with the UFA's when you sign players who are diminishing in terms of what their contribution can be and they're always inflated contracts. It is a vehicle where you can help your team and we'll be as active as we can in the UFA market.  

We've known for months the 2013 free agent crop isn't great, and some players will likely re-sign before July 5th, which will diminish the talent pool even more. I'm not surprised by MacTavish's comments, considering Scott Howson said the exact same thing a month ago. Overpaying players in the UFA market rarely works.

The other interesting point that MacTavish referenced was that  from July 1st to July 5th there will be a recruitment window for pending UFA's. Meaning teams will have more time to talk to a player and his agent, and even fly them to their city for a tour. The NBA does this and I think it's a great idea. Imagine showing potential free agents Edmonton's river valley, rather than the usual snow-filled route from the airport to the hotel that opposing players only see during the season. Edmonton is a much prettier city than most opposing players see from October-March.

Those were the hot topics for me. MacTavish said his main priority with the #7 pick was to draft a centreman, no surprise, and that Nathan Mackinnon, Alexsander Barkov and Sean Monahan. He didn't name Elias Lindholm.

Did anything MacTavish said last night surprise or intrigue you?

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#1 Matt Henderson
May 24 2013, 11:38AM
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I think it's very fair to compare RNH to anybody in the league, especially Datsyuk. He's a number 1 pick and far superior to Datsyuk at the same age, but they play a similar game. Gagner to Zetterberg? That's one I would not have made at all.

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#2 jeanshorts
May 24 2013, 11:54AM
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This new GM, whoever he is, can actually speak in full, coherent sentences, so, I mean, that's a step in the right direction I think.

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#3 SrCain
May 24 2013, 12:37PM
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Jeffff wrote:

Beware of charismatic articulate people with or without a teleprompter.

Smart is overrated.

Winning is what counts

Beware of repetitive trolls.

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#4 semi moronic
May 24 2013, 01:15PM
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In regards to the Zetterburg-Datysuk comparison...MacTavish is the guy who once compared Marty Reasoner to Joe Sakic...........

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#5 The Beaker
May 24 2013, 12:29PM
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Jeffff wrote:

Beware of charismatic articulate people with or without a teleprompter.

Smart is overrated.

Winning is what counts

That's so ironic.

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#6 TrentonL
May 24 2013, 02:50PM
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Obviously Gagner and RNH are not as good as Datsyuk/Zetterberg are right now. But:

-Gagner outscored (points per game) Zetterberg at 22 and 23 and Datsyuk at 23. Datsyuk played in Russia at 22.

-D/Z did not match RNH's rookie season P/G until they were 25.

-Neither Datsyuk or Zetterberg were better than 50% on faceoffs until they were 25.

-The first season D/Z took the reins from Federov the Wings maintained a goal differential of +66 but Datsyuk went from +20 to -2 in the top line role while Zetterberg went from +6 to +15 as second line center.

-Gagner was -6 on a -5 team this season either first or second line depending on if RNH was in.

-RNH was plus 3 on a -5 team as top line center.

-Datsyuk and Zetterberg were not dominant until the year after the first lockout when they were 27 and 25 years old.

You can't tell me that Datsyuk/Zetterberg were better than Gagner/RNH at this age. There is a very real possibility that RNH and Gagner will be the better players over their career.

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#7 cableguy - 2nd Tier Fan
May 25 2013, 07:17AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

Sammy Gags is only 23 years old.. And is a 6 year NHL VETEREN!!!!

Gags is a point per game player!!!!!

THESE GUYS DON'T GROW ON TREES!!!!!!!

That is what's wrong with the Oilers.. We draft them... Develop them... And are way too impatient ....

GIVE SAMMY GAGS A CHANCE!!

math was never my strong suit, but how on earth does gagner and point per game player end up in the same sentence?

unless my sarcasm detector is broken again. damn thing

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#8 OilersBrass
May 24 2013, 01:01PM
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Jackson wrote:

Comparing anyone to Datysuk and Zetterberg is a joke you have 2 selke type players at Center. They are smallish but that is the exception to the rule.

Oilers will never win with Gagner as their second center. Because RNH is not J Toews. You need grit and skill and size when your #1 center is skilled.

I really don't know why everyone is enamoured with Craig MacTavish's TeleForum .

Basically he said we need to get better. What GM would not say this.

Watch my feet not my lips.

He wasn't comparing the players skill wise. He was talking about size and style of play.

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#9 OilersBrass
May 24 2013, 05:24PM
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a lg dubl dubl wrote:

this might be kinda crazy, but according to cap geek Dan Cleary is a FA this summer, yes hes 34 but if MacT can get him for maybe 1.5-2mil for 2 years for the 3 or 4th line, it wouldnt hurt my feelings.

Hey I just met you, and this is craaazy..... But here's a contract.... So come to our team maybe.

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#10 mayorblaine
May 24 2013, 12:12PM
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these are the kind of candid responses you get from someone measured and able to articulate themselves.

he is hard not to believe in.

#goMacT

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#11 rubbertrout
May 24 2013, 02:36PM
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Jeffff wrote:

Beware of charismatic articulate people with or without a teleprompter.

Smart is overrated.

Winning is what counts

I'll take having a GM that can outline what he thinks are glaring weaknesses on the team and suggest a plan to address them as opposed to Mr. Mumbles any day of the week.

It wasn't just "get better".

It isn't that Mac-T is articulate and good in front of a camera, I think he has a far better hockey mind than the yahoos that brought us an offer sheet on Penner, Sheldon Souray as a franchise defenceman, Nik Khabilbulin for a million years, and an aborted effort to trade for Heater.

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#12 OilersBrass
May 24 2013, 06:20PM
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count wrote:

that is is so 2012...Can not belive you just posted that.

This forum needs a little humor.... Debbie downers.

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#13 OilersBrass
May 25 2013, 11:45AM
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Spydyr wrote:

So you are saying six years is not enough of a chance?

Maybe in another six years he can win a faceoff ,knock someone of the puck,win a battle, have body position defensively or learn how to play without the puck.

So six more years of chances.Um no.

Don't know what Sam Gagner you've been watching, but I saw him knock people off the puck plenty of times, win battles, and play his heart out all season.

He stepped up big time this year and was one of the few players on the team who came to play every night. This is a TEAM game, you can't expect Gagner to do everything on his own (which it seems like everyone is expecting out of him). If his line mates weren't rookies and inexperienced his production would go up. He was also on pace for a 70-80 point season, what more do you want from him?

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#15 Will
May 24 2013, 01:47PM
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semi moronic wrote:

In regards to the Zetterburg-Datysuk comparison...MacTavish is the guy who once compared Marty Reasoner to Joe Sakic...........

Hey!

That's no way to talk about the man who accurately said Horcoff should be on the Canadian Olympic team because he is the best 5 on 3 PK man he's ever seen. You show some respect for this knowledgable, and smart man.

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#16 OilersBrass
May 24 2013, 02:59PM
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TrentonL wrote:

Obviously Gagner and RNH are not as good as Datsyuk/Zetterberg are right now. But:

-Gagner outscored (points per game) Zetterberg at 22 and 23 and Datsyuk at 23. Datsyuk played in Russia at 22.

-D/Z did not match RNH's rookie season P/G until they were 25.

-Neither Datsyuk or Zetterberg were better than 50% on faceoffs until they were 25.

-The first season D/Z took the reins from Federov the Wings maintained a goal differential of +66 but Datsyuk went from +20 to -2 in the top line role while Zetterberg went from +6 to +15 as second line center.

-Gagner was -6 on a -5 team this season either first or second line depending on if RNH was in.

-RNH was plus 3 on a -5 team as top line center.

-Datsyuk and Zetterberg were not dominant until the year after the first lockout when they were 27 and 25 years old.

You can't tell me that Datsyuk/Zetterberg were better than Gagner/RNH at this age. There is a very real possibility that RNH and Gagner will be the better players over their career.

All very true. People are to impatient and don't realize this team is full of KIDS. They haven't even matured or completely developed their game yet.

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#17 rubbertrout
May 24 2013, 03:00PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

First i will say I am not a tambellini fan or supporter but players such as Khabibulin, Souray, Belanger, Barker, and Eager, etc, all came to the Oilers with promising to play very good hockey and once the contracts were signed then it was injuries then it was seemingly a lack of proving they wanted to play hard.

Souray wasnt too bad as he did bring meanness and offence to the team but it was his attitude that isnt professional in any league.

MacT has to go to his staff of pro-scouts and tell them straight to upgrade and do their jobs faar better...or....they're gone.

As relating to outgoing Mayor Mandel(Edmonton) who stated before...."The city's level for tolerance IS ZERO"""

Khabby was old, broken down and injury prone. His strong performance contract year was after he was nearly outplayed by Cristobel Huet. Anyone who thought that the signing wasn't a huge mistake immediately after the ink dried (this isn't just looking at it with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight) was off his or her rocker.

The Khabby signing was a firing offence in and of itself.

Souray was a huge overpay on a relatively one dimensional, injury prone defenceman. Souray himself indicated that the Oiler's offer came out of the blue and was much more than the other offers he was seeing. The debacle that followed was both on him and on the team but le'ts call the signing what it was, an attempt to give the fans a "Pronger-light"

Barker and Eager were gambles that didn't pay off. Should anyone be surprised that a guy with concussion problems will tend to shy away from physical contact? Barker was a roll of the dice but the amount of the contract was so small that it wasn't a big deal.

Belanger was a signing that I supported at the time in terms of the need and the dollar amount. There was no way on earth that Tambo had to give him a 3 year deal though. Nobody else was offering a 4th line defensive player who could win faceoffs that kind of term.

It isn't just guys coming here promising to "play good hockey". Anyone with a little bit of hockey analysis could see that most of these moves were just patently bad hockey knowledge.

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#18 rubbertrout
May 24 2013, 03:02PM
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madjam wrote:

We are left scratching our heads wondering if we are in for massive change as first many thought would happen with MacT. ? Now it's sounding more like a Tambellini type cosmetic change ? If it's minimal why did they bother to get rid of Tams ? Somewhat dissallusioned /apprehensive at this stage now . Real change ,really ? I only hear talk of it so far , and that's not enough because it equates zero .

Well seeing as you can't make a trade, sign a free agent, hire a coach still under contract while the playoffs are still on do you think you might need to give him a bit of time before he can actually implement changes?

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#19 Fantheoilman
May 24 2013, 04:14PM
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Hello negative nancies. Lets give the man at least until the end of the playoffs before we run him out of town. MacT came out and told us exactly what we already know. More than dithers did in his time as boss. At least he can see the problem and hopefully work to a good resolution. But in all honesty why don't people read these posts before complaining the same complaint as ten other folks. I don't believe in MacT yet but I am willing to hope. Go oil go.

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#20 count
May 24 2013, 05:16PM
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Jeffff wrote:

Beware of charismatic articulate people with or without a teleprompter.

Smart is overrated.

Winning is what counts

huh,that does not make any sense

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#21 count
May 24 2013, 05:52PM
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OilersBrass wrote:

Hey I just met you, and this is craaazy..... But here's a contract.... So come to our team maybe.

that is is so 2012...Can not belive you just posted that.

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#22 Josh Oiler
May 24 2013, 07:23PM
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

Sammy Gags is only 23 years old.. And is a 6 year NHL VETEREN!!!!

Gags is a point per game player!!!!!

THESE GUYS DON'T GROW ON TREES!!!!!!!

That is what's wrong with the Oilers.. We draft them... Develop them... And are way too impatient ....

GIVE SAMMY GAGS A CHANCE!!

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#23 Hisam Saleh
May 24 2013, 07:25PM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

Sammy Gags is only 23 years old.. And is a 6 year NHL VETEREN!!!!

Gags is a point per game player!!!!!

THESE GUYS DON'T GROW ON TREES!!!!!!!

That is what's wrong with the Oilers.. We draft them... Develop them... And are way too impatient ....

GIVE SAMMY GAGS A CHANCE!!

Can you stop calling him Sammy Gags. Sounds like a gay pornstar?

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#24 Harlie
May 24 2013, 07:56PM
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Hisam Saleh wrote:

Can you stop calling him Sammy Gags. Sounds like a gay pornstar?

A VETEREN!!!! pornstar, please.

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#25 madjam
May 24 2013, 08:56PM
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Is 6ft.6 in. Jeff Schultz on our radar ? Calgary boy @ $2.75M with the Capitals .

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#26 OilersBrass
May 25 2013, 05:57PM
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Wax Man Riley wrote:

Except he wasn't on pace for a 70pt season. That is like saying "Edmonton almost made the playoffs."

Gagner is historically a streaky scorer. Willis just finished an article on him (Cult of Hockey?), that breaks down his scoring numbers by parts of the season.

He really slowed at the end of the season, and had large gaps without points. Over a full season, his scoring likely would have dipped.

Same with The Oilers making the playoffs, over a full season, they would not have been at all close.

Why do you guys keep using all these numbers and the corsi? No one player is perfect, and no one player can be perfect.

Like I said before, his production slowed because he was playing with inexperienced rookies. When he played with Hemsky on his line his production was high, then Hemsky got put on a different line and got injured and his numbers dropped. When Gagner plays on a line of inexperienced rookies, and the kids makes mistakes or don't play well it effects every player who's on the ice. Which means all the players numbers will drop, even if one player hasn't done anything wrong.

You guys really need to start looking at a player based on his skill and talent and stop buying into all these "numbers". Gagner has a ton of skill and is still getting better. I'm going to laugh so hard if he gets traded to a good team with experienced line mates, because then you'll all see how good he really is. Then everyone will all be complaining about how Mac T shouldn't have traded him away.

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#27 The Last Big Bear
May 25 2013, 07:30PM
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"[Horcoff] is owed $4 million in actual dollars this year, while carrying a $5.5 million cap hit, he could look attractive to teams who need to get to the cap floor"

Looloololololololol!??,!!!!?!!!!

"Wait, we can get a 3rd liner who makes $4m? What an unique opportunity! What kind of assets do we have to give to the Oilers for the privilege of eating their mistake? After all, it's going to be so DIFFICULT to find overpaid players who have a salary less than their cap hit, especially with about 20 teams being in a cap crunch at the same time..."

Honestly, I liked the article, but this bit was just delusional.

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#28 Jackson
May 24 2013, 11:51AM
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Comparing anyone to Datysuk and Zetterberg is a joke you have 2 selke type players at Center. They are smallish but that is the exception to the rule.

Oilers will never win with Gagner as their second center. Because RNH is not J Toews. You need grit and skill and size when your #1 center is skilled.

I really don't know why everyone is enamoured with Craig MacTavish's TeleForum .

Basically he said we need to get better. What GM would not say this.

Watch my feet not my lips.

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#29 Will
May 24 2013, 12:00PM
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I wonder why he didn't comment on the possibility of compliance buy outs from around the league potentially saturating the UFA market, driving prices down and allowing some teams to get good player at reasonable rates.

As for Gagner, if they can sign him to a decent contract, and he plays in the 60 point range next year. I think his trade value goes even higher and they won't have to give up so much to get back an impact player.

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#30 Jeffff
May 24 2013, 12:00PM
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Beware of charismatic articulate people with or without a teleprompter.

Smart is overrated.

Winning is what counts

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#31 Clarkenstein
May 24 2013, 12:15PM
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Dismiss Horc, Smyth and Hemsky then show me the money MacT.

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#32 S4H1
May 24 2013, 12:15PM
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Jeffff wrote:

Beware of charismatic articulate people with or without a teleprompter.

Smart is overrated.

Winning is what counts

Charisma, articulation and actual intellect does not directly correlate to success or ability. Some of the least educated and unsophisticated people I know are excellent in their respective careers. Conversely, some of the most educated and intellectual people I know can't maintain employment.

Unrelated: If Gagner signs a long term deal with a reasonable cap hit and manages 55+ points next year he may become an invaluable trade asset. Perhaps he may net us the player who puts us over the top.

Patience from here is key as great teams (other than Pittsburgh) aren't built in a season. I just want to see marked improvement on the ice in 2013-14.

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#33 mayorblaine
May 24 2013, 12:20PM
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Jeffff wrote:

Beware of charismatic articulate people with or without a teleprompter.

Smart is overrated.

Winning is what counts

sure but haven't we found that the opposite is often horrific at communicating.

so i will gladly take the smart, articulate communicator over the dunce. at least he has a winning plan.

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#34 mayorblaine
May 24 2013, 12:24PM
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mayorblaine wrote:

sure but haven't we found that the opposite is often horrific at communicating.

so i will gladly take the smart, articulate communicator over the dunce. at least he has a winning plan.

let me say the dunce part is not a reflection on mr. dithers.

dumb people don't get those types of jobs, but they can be really bad at said jobs.

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#35 Citizen David
May 24 2013, 12:30PM
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@ Gregor

Good article. Although I wouldn't have Zetterburg as a HOFer. I guess in the NHL everyone good gets in eventually so he probably will get in.

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#36 Citizen David
May 24 2013, 12:33PM
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I am very pleased to hear that Gagner will be a part of the team moving forward. Very good news. Also good news to hear that he'll be careful with UFA's. So far MacT has been very impressive in showing his vision and understanding. Let's hope he can actually do the moves. If there are only 3-4 changes on this roster next year consisting of bottom level players than we won't be in the playoffs.

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#37 madjam
May 24 2013, 12:37PM
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First off ,not privy to Teleform . What did I get out of it . Gagner appears to be integral part of moving forward . Got the feeling Horcff could be part of a package with possibly Dubnyk for Luongo and another Canuck . Or perhaps same scenario with another team ? If he is adding two goalies I tend to think Dubbie may be up for trade bait . Canucks looking for a center by the way and a backup goalie .

He's not expecting/relying on the UFA market to replenish personnel , and that probably means buyout players as well .

I just do not see us being competitive with lack of size in our new division . They are expecting too much from our group of smallish young developing forwards . So with a Horcff trade , then I suspect Gagner takes over third line centerman , and a new one bought in for first or second line ?

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#38 Citizen David
May 24 2013, 12:58PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

I said a candidate, not a lock. Zetterberg will be a guy who gets consideration. He is already 61st in all-time playoff scoring, 8 points away from top-50.

He's also solid in regular season and likely has at least 3 of 4 solid years left.

He'll be on fence, but a good candidate I think.

Ya, I probably undervalue him. In my world though only the greats would get into the HHOF.

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#39 Citizen David
May 24 2013, 01:07PM
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I see four types of players out there.

1. The not a chance we'll get them players 2. The have to give up our Eberle's and Klefbom's for them players. Are we willing to do that? 3. The aquireable players who will still make a difference. This is the group I would like us to explore. I suggest trading for Ryan Ellis to add a puck moving defenseman and Signing Patrick Thoreson. LT had this suggestion on his blog. I immediately drank the kool aid. Four straight seasons as a point a game player in the KHL could slide in as a third line center upgrade. 4. The won't make a difference players. Stay away please.

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#40 John Chambers
May 24 2013, 01:20PM
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Nice read, Gregor.

But if Gagner is staying, Hemsky has no trade value, and we aren't aggressive in Free Agency, what assets do we part with in order to improve the D corps?

Paajarvi, prospects, and 2nd round draft picks simply won't net this team what it truly needs.

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#41 vetinari
May 24 2013, 01:24PM
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@Gregor -- any comment by MacT on the coaching situation and whether they are exploring other potential options?

As for the players, I'm not surprised by their stance on Gagner... I've always thought that he came from good hockey bloodlines and competes most nights... it's just that his positioning is sometimes off, especially on the backcheck, and his faceoffs need work.

As for Horcoff, I wouldn't be surprised to see him drop to an assistant captain (if they keep him) for next season or they buy him out or trade him.

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#42 OilersBrass
May 24 2013, 01:30PM
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Hey Gregor, doesn't it kind of seem like Mac T is saying all of these things to just keep the fans happy for now? It doesn't really seem like they're going to be changing much of anything.

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#43 steelymac
May 24 2013, 01:50PM
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It would be nice to see Horcoff go to Detroit and be with his family and I would love to see a way the OIL could get Abdelcater that guy plays balls to the wall and being young he may be a great fit I wonder what it would take.

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#44 Dulock
May 24 2013, 01:56PM
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I think the most interesting thing he mentioned was about the draft. They want a centre or Dman but think that all the centres (Mackinnon, Barkov, Monahon) will be gone by 7 and there are teams that are above the Oilers that would want and be happy with a defenceman at 7,8 or 9

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#46 WhattaMike
May 24 2013, 02:03PM
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great article J.G and that good of MacT to say a few things to refressh the current situation.

I now look mat the Oil wanting Gagner pretty much now so it is up to him and nhis agent I guess for a contract...five mil a year?....no but four to four point five mil would seem to be the ballpark.

Good on the goalie situation finally. Finding a set 1 and 1A team should be the priority here with a Danis type call up from the AHL.

I believe the end is near for Horcoff based on what MacT stated. The captaincy shouyld now change and he is getting old and to the end of a long career and he does deserve to go to another team who can get him to a cup scenario quciker than the Oil probably will this coimping season.

I believ he is up for trading as ya wrote.

i think this summer depends on two centre deals, one for a 2A to 3rd line type centrebeing brought in and the other is that the Oil are looking at five kids to draft at centre with the #7 position.....MacKinnon, Barkov, Monahan, Lindholm and Horvat. The first two names depend only if the oil move up and this will be hard to do....or....by some very unexpected miracle macKinnon or Barkov are still available..(Yeah Right!!!)

I believe too that Oil do want to get Nichushkin or Nurse are the other two, maybe Zadorov as well.

I like McCoshen for the 37 pick or for sure one of G drafts Fucale, Comrie, Jarry.

I still see the Oil mainly hunting aggressively for Horton, Bickell, Stalberg,plus either Mike Smith/Khudobin, and I somehow think that a deal with Mark Streit and/or Alzner might in there somewhere too.

I think Hemsky is gone by trade this year by the draft as Yakupov is his stonger newer replacement.

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#47 Rama Lama
May 24 2013, 02:07PM
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steelymac wrote:

It would be nice to see Horcoff go to Detroit and be with his family and I would love to see a way the OIL could get Abdelcater that guy plays balls to the wall and being young he may be a great fit I wonder what it would take.

Horcoff for Abdelcater would be a Great deal for us! I'm not sure that Detroit is that stupid although one can hope.

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#48 OilersBrass
May 24 2013, 02:12PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Not necessarily. If he is hinting at moving 10 and 83 those are significant change. Also wants to challenge Dubnyk...

And a part of me thinks MacT is pumping up Gagner in hopes of maybe increasing his trade value.

I like that MacTavish is being clear about every player on this team needing to be better, and he isn't afraid to say it. Of course he will be evaluated on the moves he makes, not the words he says.

Ahhh that's one way of looking at it, Mac T is just hyping up Gagner. Everything he says about Gagner is pretty much true though, so I just figured they would actually keep him around.

He didn`t say anything about defence did he?

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#49 WhattaMike
May 24 2013, 02:44PM
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First i will say I am not a tambellini fan or supporter but players such as Khabibulin, Souray, Belanger, Barker, and Eager, etc, all came to the Oilers with promising to play very good hockey and once the contracts were signed then it was injuries then it was seemingly a lack of proving they wanted to play hard.

Souray wasnt too bad as he did bring meanness and offence to the team but it was his attitude that isnt professional in any league.

MacT has to go to his staff of pro-scouts and tell them straight to upgrade and do their jobs faar better...or....they're gone.

As relating to outgoing Mayor Mandel(Edmonton) who stated before...."The city's level for tolerance IS ZERO"""

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#50 madjam
May 24 2013, 02:59PM
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We are left scratching our heads wondering if we are in for massive change as first many thought would happen with MacT. ? Now it's sounding more like a Tambellini type cosmetic change ? If it's minimal why did they bother to get rid of Tams ? Somewhat dissallusioned /apprehensive at this stage now . Real change ,really ? I only hear talk of it so far , and that's not enough because it equates zero .

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