MACTAVISH SHEDS SOME LIGHT

Jason Gregor
May 24 2013 11:27AM

 

Last night Craig MacTavish held a TeleForum where season ticket holders could call in, listen and ask questions. Since I'm a season ticket holder I was able to listen in. His responses to goaltending and the future of Shawn Horcoff and Sam Gagner intrigued me the most.

He was asked about Horcoff and his future with the team. 

Well, I think that that will be determined as the summer goes along with Shawn. I have a lot of respect for Shawn as a guy that really saw him come into the league. He was a player that played at Michigan State and played in our minor league team and came in and I saw him really develop as a player and as a person over the years. The one thing I will say about players like Shawn that have been here for a long period of time, it can have a little bit of a negative effect on your spirit, when Shawn's reaching a certain age in his career. He's gotta get energized as well and we'll see what happens or what the summer has in store for Shawn and the Edmonton Oilers. 

Very interesting comments about the captain. Maybe I'm reading between the lines too much, but I sense whether Horcoff is back or not the Oilers might have a new captain next season. MacTavish suggested he needs to be energized, which suggests Horcoff's desire has been lacking, and I doubt you want your captain's spirit to be lacking.

I do know that his family stayed in Detroit this past season, likely due to their kids being in school for the first half of the year, and no one wants to be apart from their kids for five straight months. Maybe that played a factor, but I'm sure that seven seasons of losing is likely the reason his spirit wasn't as high.

Horcoff has a NMC that becomes a limited NMC (submit a list of ten teams) on July 1st. Maybe a change of scenary will do him good, and considering he is owed $4 million in actual dollars this year, while carrying a $5.5 million cap hit, he could look attractive to teams who need to get to the floor. If I was betting I'd guess there is a better chance he gets traded, rather than bought out.

Does he feel Devan Dubnyk is a legitimate starting goalie, and what about the goaltending situation as a duo?

Well, we're going to be very active in finding at least a couple goalies. I'd like to say about Nik Khabibulin that when he did play, he played very well for us this year. The problem with Nik, from our perspective, is that he's a 40-year-old body who wasn't able to stay as healthy as what you need. But, he did play exceptionally well when he did play and gave us very adequate backup goaltending.

As for Devan, I think that you're right, the verdict is out on Devan. I've always believed that when you're assessing goaltenders, if you have to ask the question you know the answer. The question would be, has Devan established himself as a number one goalie in the National Hockey League? And I still think it's a valid question. So, I think that Devan, although he's trending upwards in his numbers and played adequately for us this year, I still think, and I know Devan feels the same way, that there's another level for him. From our standpoint, we'll see that he can get to that level.

We are looking for a number two goalie and the jury is still out on Yann Danis, who has done a great job for us in the American Hockey League playoffs in Oklahoma City. We definitely have identified goaltending as not an area of strength within our organization. We have very little depth in our organization in net and we're going to address that, too, as well. 

I don't see Danis as an NHL backup, especially if the general manager isn't certain his #1 goalie is ready to be an everyday starter. It was obvious at the trade deadline, when we learned that the Oilers tried to acquire Ben Bishop that they wanted someone to challenge Dubnyk.

A quick scan of the free agent market reveals that Mike Smith, Ray Emery and Anton Khudobin might be the best bets to do that. I'm sure the Coyotes will try to lock up Smith, but the other two could be free agents on July 5th. Khudobin is the most intriguing because of his age, and he might feel he has a better chance to play challening Dubnyk than Tuuka Rask.

Which player on the current roster is would he like to sign long term? 

The one guy that's definitely on our radar in terms of guys that we want to sign is Sam Gagner. He's maybe our most highly profiled restricted free agent. If he chose not to sign a contract with us and took us to arbitration this year, he'd get a one-year award in arbitration and Sam would have the distinction of being the youngest player in the history of the National Hockey League to reach unrestricted status. So, we want to make sure that that doesn't happen. 

Sam likes it here, he has been a valuable member of our team and is always trending up and he'll be a guy that we'll be looking to sign. 

Another interesting response. The Oilers love Gagner's desire, passion and overall competitiveness. He's well-liked in the room and his "give-a-shit" meter is high. There are concerns, however,  with Gagner's defensive game and his inability to win faceoffs.

I'm curious what type of dollar figure and term he and the Oilers would agree on? Is Gagner a $5 million player? If he is, can the Oilers afford to keep him along with their other four young, skilled forwards, 4,14,64 and 93? It depends on their salaires, but MacTavish's comments make it seem likely that Gagner will be an Oiler moving forward.

That leads us to the next obvious question.

Can the Oilers win with a combination of Nugent-Hopkins and Gagner down the middle, or does their lack of size concern him?

Firstly, they're guys that have an exceptionally bright future. Nugent-Hopkins, at his age, being able to accomplish what he's accomplished so far is quite spectacular, really. And he's 20 years old. Sam Gagner is a 23-year-old centerman. 

We're in a league of men and it's a man's game and our guys are very much developing. There's every reason to expect that these players will continue, obviously, to develop and to be able to compete very well against the best centermen in all of hockey. You look at Detroit with Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg as their 1-2 punch, they're not players that are going to overpower you. But, they're players that can win battles and I feel like our centermen are very capable of doing that.

Would we like to add a big centerman? Absolutely, and we'll be trying to acquire that piece. 

I'm always skeptical to compare young kids to one of the best duos in the game. In a perfect scenario Gagner and RNH will morph into Datysuk and Zetterberg, but I think that is wishful thinking. Both of those players are Hall of Fame candidates and it is rare to have two HOF centremen on the same team.

I agree that Gagner and Nugent-Hopkins will improve, but I think the Oilers are setting themselves up for disappointment if they hope they will mirror Zetterberg and Datsyuk. That is an extemely high comparison. If MacT was comparing their styles, then that is a different story. Neither of the Wings' centermen are overly big, but he is accurate in describing how hard they compete and how complete their two-way game is.

At this point Gagner would need to improve a lot in his two-way game to be in the same boat. That won't come with maturity though, it will come from within him and a desire to become that player. You can't teach that, the player has to want to become that player. We've seen offensive players do it, some later in their careers like Steve Yzerman, so it is possible, but it is also extremely difficult.

How will MacTavish approach free agency? 

The UFA market is always a very... I approach that market very cautiously. I think there are a lot of mistakes made with the UFA's when you sign players who are diminishing in terms of what their contribution can be and they're always inflated contracts. It is a vehicle where you can help your team and we'll be as active as we can in the UFA market.  

We've known for months the 2013 free agent crop isn't great, and some players will likely re-sign before July 5th, which will diminish the talent pool even more. I'm not surprised by MacTavish's comments, considering Scott Howson said the exact same thing a month ago. Overpaying players in the UFA market rarely works.

The other interesting point that MacTavish referenced was that  from July 1st to July 5th there will be a recruitment window for pending UFA's. Meaning teams will have more time to talk to a player and his agent, and even fly them to their city for a tour. The NBA does this and I think it's a great idea. Imagine showing potential free agents Edmonton's river valley, rather than the usual snow-filled route from the airport to the hotel that opposing players only see during the season. Edmonton is a much prettier city than most opposing players see from October-March.

Those were the hot topics for me. MacTavish said his main priority with the #7 pick was to draft a centreman, no surprise, and that Nathan Mackinnon, Alexsander Barkov and Sean Monahan. He didn't name Elias Lindholm.

Did anything MacTavish said last night surprise or intrigue you?

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#51 OilersBrass
May 24 2013, 03:01PM
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madjam wrote:

We are left scratching our heads wondering if we are in for massive change as first many thought would happen with MacT. ? Now it's sounding more like a Tambellini type cosmetic change ? If it's minimal why did they bother to get rid of Tams ? Somewhat dissallusioned /apprehensive at this stage now . Real change ,really ? I only hear talk of it so far , and that's not enough because it equates zero .

They got rid of Tambi because of politics. The team was bombing, again, and someone needed to take the fall. He was the scapegoat.

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#52 Oiler Al
May 24 2013, 03:05PM
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Oilers biggest challenge today is at Center.

RNH might be on the shelf when the season starts. Horcoff, once he makes the draw, is not much to write home about.. 4 th liner at best.Ok defensively, but has lost a step or two. Grit, is almost " Zero".

Gagner could be the No.1 center when the season starts if RHN is a IRL. If you trade Gagner, whats your next move? Belanger? Smithson? These are not bold moves.

If you draft a center, not likely to be NHL ready this year!

You are not getting Malkin, or Crosby on the open market... so you have to chase cheaper but good center men, who can serve the team as second or third line guys..

Target: Ott age 30 $3mil, Bolland 26 $3.3 mil Hanzal 26 $3.1 mil Peverley 30 $3.3 mil. Weiss 30 $3.1 mill Tyler Kennedy 26 $2.0 mil Am sure there are others... these would take a trade, some are UFA/RFA,, all have playoff experience and play with grit.

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#53 Tikkanese
May 24 2013, 03:22PM
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I disagree on Khabby. At the time, he was the consensus best goalie available that year on most if not all lists. He was one of the few legit starters and a recent cup winner to boot. The only real question was the length of the contract but they even said that is what it took to convince him to come here over his other offers, as length was his priority. Hindsight has proven it to be a bad signing but at the time it wasn't.

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#54 The Beaker
May 24 2013, 03:25PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

Oilers biggest challenge today is at Center.

RNH might be on the shelf when the season starts. Horcoff, once he makes the draw, is not much to write home about.. 4 th liner at best.Ok defensively, but has lost a step or two. Grit, is almost " Zero".

Gagner could be the No.1 center when the season starts if RHN is a IRL. If you trade Gagner, whats your next move? Belanger? Smithson? These are not bold moves.

If you draft a center, not likely to be NHL ready this year!

You are not getting Malkin, or Crosby on the open market... so you have to chase cheaper but good center men, who can serve the team as second or third line guys..

Target: Ott age 30 $3mil, Bolland 26 $3.3 mil Hanzal 26 $3.1 mil Peverley 30 $3.3 mil. Weiss 30 $3.1 mill Tyler Kennedy 26 $2.0 mil Am sure there are others... these would take a trade, some are UFA/RFA,, all have playoff experience and play with grit.

Technically, we only have 5 nhl defensemen signed and klefbom.... We have nuge, horc, belanger, lander and lander signed... not good but can at least fill out the spots.

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#55 Taylor Gang
May 24 2013, 03:30PM
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So MacT says bold moves and yet they want to sign Gagner long term... Uh oh does this mean what I think it means?

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#56 Dman09
May 24 2013, 03:59PM
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Jason Gregor wrote:

Not necessarily. If he is hinting at moving 10 and 83 those are significant change. Also wants to challenge Dubnyk...

And a part of me thinks MacT is pumping up Gagner in hopes of maybe increasing his trade value.

I like that MacTavish is being clear about every player on this team needing to be better, and he isn't afraid to say it. Of course he will be evaluated on the moves he makes, not the words he says.

Jason,

Do you that it may be possible that MacT really does want to sign Gags long term but just doesn't plan on having him consistently play center? Wouldn't it be beneficial to have say 4 natural centers with an couple of wingers that have the ability to play center? I could see Gags being the winger that steps in at center when needed and I kind of hope that the direct they go with him.

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#57 madjam
May 24 2013, 04:05PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

So MacT says bold moves and yet they want to sign Gagner long term... Uh oh does this mean what I think it means?

It might ? Maybe now the boys club is firmly in place results will be crutial for all of them if they fail again . Could see them all gone (top to bottom ) same time if they fail to produce again . Who knows , that might be a good thing in the end analysis .

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#58 Archaeologuy
May 24 2013, 04:08PM
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Tikkanese wrote:

I disagree on Khabby. At the time, he was the consensus best goalie available that year on most if not all lists. He was one of the few legit starters and a recent cup winner to boot. The only real question was the length of the contract but they even said that is what it took to convince him to come here over his other offers, as length was his priority. Hindsight has proven it to be a bad signing but at the time it wasn't.

Might want to double check Willis' take on it at the time of the signing.

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#59 OilersBrass
May 24 2013, 04:13PM
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Dman09 wrote:

Jason,

Do you that it may be possible that MacT really does want to sign Gags long term but just doesn't plan on having him consistently play center? Wouldn't it be beneficial to have say 4 natural centers with an couple of wingers that have the ability to play center? I could see Gags being the winger that steps in at center when needed and I kind of hope that the direct they go with him.

They already tried Gagner on the wing and it didn't go over so well. He's a natural center.

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#60 Quicksilver ballet
May 24 2013, 04:18PM
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His words leave plenty of opportunity for wide spread change. Good to see him seeing these guys for what they are now, and not 5 yrs ago.

Hoping with the options coming their way this summer will finally give them a noticeable identity as a hockey club. For our sake, I hope these are the words of a soon to be very busy GM coming up next month. I was sort of expecting him to start the festivities with a bang by announcing a significant deal before the end of the playoffs this spring. Here's to hoping these are more than just words fellow hockey fans.

Thanks for sharing the contents of what happened last evening with us type 2 fans Jason. I prefer to buy just playoff tickets.

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#61 Quicksilver ballet
May 24 2013, 04:35PM
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Hard to know what his plans are with Gagner. Sure sounds as though he sees the same as many of us here feel, him wanting to get a lot stronger down the middle.

Is Gagner more transferable without a new deal heading to his new club, or is Craig just throwing his hook in the waters to see what nibbles he gets. Be really awesome if a GM sees fit to sign him to an offer sheet. That could work out really well for the Oilers with an extra 1st, 2nd and a 3rd next summer. If July comes and goes without landing a top pairing blueliner, i almost like this option the best in regards to Gags.

Anyone know where Mr. Super recruiter Ralph Krueger was when Victor Fasth was up for grabs last year? We sure need Ralph to be in fine form again this summer with the possibilities that may occur.

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#62 Jeffff
May 24 2013, 04:44PM
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This should be the new GM for the Oilers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbrTOcUnjNY

He is smart articulate and

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#63 Oiler Al
May 24 2013, 04:52PM
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The Beaker wrote:

Technically, we only have 5 nhl defensemen signed and klefbom.... We have nuge, horc, belanger, lander and lander signed... not good but can at least fill out the spots.

Beaker, no doubt the back end is a big problem still... they need a stud, or semi stud there as well.. right today there really isnt a legit NHL number on pairing on D.

ON the center's issue, I took the assumption that Belanger was a goner.

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#64 count
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Taylor Gang wrote:

So MacT says bold moves and yet they want to sign Gagner long term... Uh oh does this mean what I think it means?

Nothing he will make the moves but Gagner is a big part of the team.Sure he is small but let give this kinda chance okey.

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#65 count
May 24 2013, 05:17PM
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Jeffff wrote:

This should be the new GM for the Oilers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbrTOcUnjNY

He is smart articulate and

GROW UP God you are such and baffon.

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#66 a lg dubl dubl
May 24 2013, 05:17PM
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this might be kinda crazy, but according to cap geek Dan Cleary is a FA this summer, yes hes 34 but if MacT can get him for maybe 1.5-2mil for 2 years for the 3 or 4th line, it wouldnt hurt my feelings.

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#67 a lg dubl dubl
May 24 2013, 06:04PM
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count wrote:

that is is so 2012...Can not belive you just posted that.

took the words right out of my mouth lol

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#68 Taylor Gang
May 24 2013, 06:31PM
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count wrote:

Nothing he will make the moves but Gagner is a big part of the team.Sure he is small but let give this kinda chance okey.

I don't think you understand what I'm getting at here... What else would be a bold move outside of Gagner?

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#69 admiralmark
May 24 2013, 08:09PM
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

Sammy Gags is only 23 years old.. And is a 6 year NHL VETEREN!!!!

Gags is a point per game player!!!!!

THESE GUYS DON'T GROW ON TREES!!!!!!!

That is what's wrong with the Oilers.. We draft them... Develop them... And are way too impatient ....

GIVE SAMMY GAGS A CHANCE!!

I like Gagner but at $5 million per?! No way no how. We need a bigger , better defensive centerman that "can" actually win draws. I just cant see this team winning a Cup with him as the 2nd line center... Not in the NHL im seeing today.

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#70 madjam
May 24 2013, 08:57PM
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Is 6ft.6 in. Jeff Schultz on our radar ? Calgary boy @ $2.75M with the Capitals .

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#71 etownman
May 24 2013, 10:04PM
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Of course MacT is going to talk Gagner up & of course he needs to be signed before MacT can get value for him! This is part of the process of making those 'bold' moves!

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#72 Darryl
May 25 2013, 12:09AM
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Biggest surprise in that discussion and elsewhere is that Dubynk is in more trouble than many thought. MacT is not sold on him, and wants to bring in two more goalies to the organization. That could mean they are going to give him another year, but maybe he might be moved if he doesn't improve.

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#73 Count
May 25 2013, 12:35AM
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Go god not u,gag will be a great number two center and we will win the cup with him.

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#74 Norm
May 25 2013, 12:52AM
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So far MacT has really impressed me with the fact he does shed some light when he talks. He steers away from questions he deems too invasive or too premature to deal with at the time. You still get an answer that addresses that fact and I'm satified with that.

I don't want to continue beating up on his predessessor but that was not the case in that GM's tenure with the Oil. He moved his mouth but nothing but B.S. and hot air came out.

MacT is a breath of fresh air. I hope he follows that management style consistently. It will almost assuredly help the fans be somewhat more patient having a GM who isn't afraid to build a team and actually engage the team building process.Hopefully he will keep all fans informed whether they are season ticket holders or not.

Cudos.

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#75 Hammers
May 25 2013, 10:05AM
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Norm wrote:

So far MacT has really impressed me with the fact he does shed some light when he talks. He steers away from questions he deems too invasive or too premature to deal with at the time. You still get an answer that addresses that fact and I'm satified with that.

I don't want to continue beating up on his predessessor but that was not the case in that GM's tenure with the Oil. He moved his mouth but nothing but B.S. and hot air came out.

MacT is a breath of fresh air. I hope he follows that management style consistently. It will almost assuredly help the fans be somewhat more patient having a GM who isn't afraid to build a team and actually engage the team building process.Hopefully he will keep all fans informed whether they are season ticket holders or not.

Cudos.

Couldn't have said it better . Right On .I'm hoping the #7 is moved and up is a possibility say with Nashville who maybe looking at Ristolainen or French .The more logical chance is going down but an NHL player better come back and one that fits our needs , "D" "C" or "LW".

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#76 Spydyr
May 25 2013, 10:50AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

Sammy Gags is only 23 years old.. And is a 6 year NHL VETEREN!!!!

Gags is a point per game player!!!!!

THESE GUYS DON'T GROW ON TREES!!!!!!!

That is what's wrong with the Oilers.. We draft them... Develop them... And are way too impatient ....

GIVE SAMMY GAGS A CHANCE!!

So you are saying six years is not enough of a chance?

Maybe in another six years he can win a faceoff ,knock someone of the puck,win a battle, have body position defensively or learn how to play without the puck.

So six more years of chances.Um no.

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#77 nunyour
May 25 2013, 11:41AM
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Norm wrote:

So far MacT has really impressed me with the fact he does shed some light when he talks. He steers away from questions he deems too invasive or too premature to deal with at the time. You still get an answer that addresses that fact and I'm satified with that.

I don't want to continue beating up on his predessessor but that was not the case in that GM's tenure with the Oil. He moved his mouth but nothing but B.S. and hot air came out.

MacT is a breath of fresh air. I hope he follows that management style consistently. It will almost assuredly help the fans be somewhat more patient having a GM who isn't afraid to build a team and actually engage the team building process.Hopefully he will keep all fans informed whether they are season ticket holders or not.

Cudos.

I agree ,I am rooting for MacT.

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#78 Quicksilver ballet
May 25 2013, 11:58AM
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Maybe Wanye could do some of his fancy shmancy photo editing on that MacT p/c photo. Surround Craig in some positive symbols/elements around him, send some positive energy his way, since it appears to be a popular image recently.

Here's to hoping you blow the socks off the Oilers interests this summer Craig, er, I mean Kevin.

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#79 Wäx Män Riley
May 25 2013, 05:09PM
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OilersBrass wrote:

Don't know what Sam Gagner you've been watching, but I saw him knock people off the puck plenty of times, win battles, and play his heart out all season.

He stepped up big time this year and was one of the few players on the team who came to play every night. This is a TEAM game, you can't expect Gagner to do everything on his own (which it seems like everyone is expecting out of him). If his line mates weren't rookies and inexperienced his production would go up. He was also on pace for a 70-80 point season, what more do you want from him?

Except he wasn't on pace for a 70pt season. That is like saying "Edmonton almost made the playoffs."

Gagner is historically a streaky scorer. Willis just finished an article on him (Cult of Hockey?), that breaks down his scoring numbers by parts of the season.

He really slowed at the end of the season, and had large gaps without points. Over a full season, his scoring likely would have dipped.

Same with The Oilers making the playoffs, over a full season, they would not have been at all close.

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#80 Count
May 25 2013, 05:21PM
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Spydyr wrote:

So you are saying six years is not enough of a chance?

Maybe in another six years he can win a faceoff ,knock someone of the puck,win a battle, have body position defensively or learn how to play without the puck.

So six more years of chances.Um no.

Thing is ganger is only 24 so he still could improve in those department.

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#81 Count
May 25 2013, 05:25PM
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Wäx Män Riley wrote:

Except he wasn't on pace for a 70pt season. That is like saying "Edmonton almost made the playoffs."

Gagner is historically a streaky scorer. Willis just finished an article on him (Cult of Hockey?), that breaks down his scoring numbers by parts of the season.

He really slowed at the end of the season, and had large gaps without points. Over a full season, his scoring likely would have dipped.

Same with The Oilers making the playoffs, over a full season, they would not have been at all close.

So,again he going to get better,he still very young.he will get better in scoring

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#82 Dash
May 25 2013, 08:15PM
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Trade Sam Gagner + for Derek Stepan.

Now that is a bold move

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#83 Wäx Män Riley
May 25 2013, 09:28PM
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OilersBrass wrote:

Why do you guys keep using all these numbers and the corsi? No one player is perfect, and no one player can be perfect.

Like I said before, his production slowed because he was playing with inexperienced rookies. When he played with Hemsky on his line his production was high, then Hemsky got put on a different line and got injured and his numbers dropped. When Gagner plays on a line of inexperienced rookies, and the kids makes mistakes or don't play well it effects every player who's on the ice. Which means all the players numbers will drop, even if one player hasn't done anything wrong.

You guys really need to start looking at a player based on his skill and talent and stop buying into all these "numbers". Gagner has a ton of skill and is still getting better. I'm going to laugh so hard if he gets traded to a good team with experienced line mates, because then you'll all see how good he really is. Then everyone will all be complaining about how Mac T shouldn't have traded him away.

I agree, and you have a good point, when paired with inferior linemates, his production dips. He is a good complementary player, but doesn't make others around him better.

We should stop buying into "numbers" eh? So let us all stop keeping score and award everyone participation ribbons.

Numbers don't tell the full story, for sure but they definitely have value.

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#84 Spydyr
May 26 2013, 08:20AM
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OilersBrass wrote:

Don't know what Sam Gagner you've been watching, but I saw him knock people off the puck plenty of times, win battles, and play his heart out all season.

He stepped up big time this year and was one of the few players on the team who came to play every night. This is a TEAM game, you can't expect Gagner to do everything on his own (which it seems like everyone is expecting out of him). If his line mates weren't rookies and inexperienced his production would go up. He was also on pace for a 70-80 point season, what more do you want from him?

Not sure if he knocked one guy off the puck all year. Hell his whole career. He is Samboni.

I don't want more from him. I want a second line center that can win a faceoff , knock someone of the puck, win a battle, have body position defensively and knows how to play without the puck.If he does that and picks up 10 less second assists that would be awesome.

Maybe even bring some grit and toughness.

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#85 gcw_rocks
May 27 2013, 08:22AM
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Josh Oiler wrote:

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

Sammy Gags is only 23 years old.. And is a 6 year NHL VETEREN!!!!

Gags is a point per game player!!!!!

THESE GUYS DON'T GROW ON TREES!!!!!!!

That is what's wrong with the Oilers.. We draft them... Develop them... And are way too impatient ....

GIVE SAMMY GAGS A CHANCE!!

Gagner is not a point per game player. He even strength points per game is largely unchanged across his six year career (~.42 PPG).

His points per game go up and down as his PP time goes up and down. He did not make a point per game this season, and his PP time was likely at an all time high with RNH injured so much. The result, his powerplay points per game went to 0.31 points per game vs 0.18 over the previous five seasons.

It is highly unlikely Gagner will be able to maintain is powerplay PPG in the future.

Gagner is a 50-55 points per 82 games guy. That's a good second line player, but not a player that makes or breaks a team. If the Oilers can get a good second pairing defenceman for him, they should do it.

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#86 gcw_rocks
May 27 2013, 08:28AM
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Count wrote:

So,again he going to get better,he still very young.he will get better in scoring

On what basis do you say that? Gagner's even strength points per game is largely unchanged over his career, and his overall points per 82 was 49-51 points in his first 5 seasons, with only this season as a blip, driven exclusively by power play time and crashing back towards his career average when the season ended.

Gags is a good second line centre offensively in the 50-55 point range, but there is no rationale basis to justify expecting more from him than that.

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#87 newAgeSys
May 28 2013, 10:38AM
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Count wrote:

Go god not u,gag will be a great number two center and we will win the cup with him.

Count me in,Count.Agh Agh Agh.

I agree,we will see Stanley being skated around the rink by Gagner right here in E-town.

Gagner,IS already a great #2 centerman in my humble opinion.

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