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Lowetide
May 26 2013 11:02AM

Although we're still a few weeks away from the draft and what might be a wild summer of trading and free agency, NHL teams are beginning to tip their hands. What's coming? A LOT of movement--buyouts, trades to save cap dollars, Euro contracts for NHLers no longer wanted--and for fans maybe a summer of activity the likes of which we've never seen before. In dear old Edmonton, the 'waiting for the paint to dry' approach of the previous administration appears to be a distant bell. There's a new sheriff in town--and he's impatient.

UFA ROUTE

The Oilers under owner Katz have spent to the cap in the past, overpaying (in dollars and term) men like Nikolai Khabibulin--which continued a trend that began in the shadow of the Pronger trade to the left coast and continued until the rebuild was put in place (finally) in the cold wintry days of 2010 January.

If we take the Oilers shopping list (top 4D, 2-way center, LW with size and skill, backup goalie) there are some interesting options: I'll list Mark Streit, Boyd Gordon, Viktor Stalberg and Anton Khudobin, but your mileage may vary.

In the past, Edmonton had to overpay to the extreme in order to attract free agents, and there are still a couple of those contracts Craig MacTavish is going to have to deal with this summer (Eric Belanger, Ben Eager). However, with Ryan Whitney, Nikolai Khabibulin, Ryan Jones, Lennart Petrell, Andy Sutton and the last of the Souray buyout dollars all in the rear view, there is an opportunity for the Oilers to quickly turn this thing around--especially in areas badly in need like center, defense and the 3 and 4 lines.

I was encouraged by MacT's words the other day in terms of free agency (approach free agency cautiously, players are often in decline stage when UFA is reached) and thought it might be a good idea to look at the "younger end" of this year's free agents.

UNDER 30, READY TO ROCK

  • C-R Nathan Horton, Boston: $4M this season, 27-year old is a very nice option for the Oilers. He'll have all kinds of options this summer, including a return to the Bruins if they can make the money work. I would rank this player as an ideal, but possibly unrealistic option. If MacT lands him, that should be considered a massive win.
  • R David Clarkson, New Jersey: $2.67M this season for the 29-year old. Although it is unlikely Edmonton would be his first option, I think he is pretty close to a 'perfect fit' for this team and perhaps worthy of an overpay. Should MacT get him, it should be considered in the same category as a Nathan Horton acquisition.
  • C-L Valtteri Filppula, Detroit: $3M this season, 29 years old and a famous Finn. He'd be an ideal solution for the Oilers, but Red Wings players are usually loyal to the team and this guy has enjoyed a lot of success in Motown.
  • L Viktor Stalberg, Chicago: $875,000 this season, he'll get a raise for sure and Chicago is unlikely to re-sign (their system is producing players at a rapid clip). Rumor has Edmonton and Montreal very interested, you can see why the Oilers would be interested in this 27-year old with size and skill.
  • L Bryan Bickell, Chicago: $542,000 this season, 27 years old and listed below Stalberg only because he's more likely to be signed by the Blackhawks before reaching free agency. A very nice option should he shake loose.
  • L Clarke MacArthur, Toronto: $3,250,000 this season, 29-years old and with some grit. Not the ideal option--the pricetag may be a little dear--but he's certainly skill enough to chip in 20 goals on what should be a strong 2line.
  • C Boyd Gordon, Phoenix: $1.325M this season for the 29-year old, another 'perfect fit' option for an Oiler team that badly needs help at center. The Phoenix situation is somewhat in flux, there may be an opportunity to jump in and pick up this fine veteran.
  • G Anton Khudobin, Boston: $875,000 this season, effective backup and 27 years old. Bruins have a nice option in the AHL and may pass on signing him. He is young enough, and good enough to be an option for the Oilers.
  • L Guillaume Latandresse, Ottawa: $2M this season, 29-year old has lost much of his recent career to injuries but perhaps he's turning a corner. Certainly brings size, and has scored well in the NHL when healthy.
  • L Patrick Bordeleau, Colorado: $525,000 this season, 27-year old is 6.06, 220 and looks and plays like an extra in Slap Shot! I don't know if MacT will devote 2 roster spots to this type of player (Mike Brown is the current fighter, but not a heavyweight) but if that's a priority this fellow fits the bill.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

Craig MacTavish's point about free agents is certainly true--often NHL teams overpay for players in their 30's and end up waiting for the contract to expire so they can better use the sunk cost of a wayward contract. However, there are players--several players--who have shown well in the NHL and are some distance from their 30th birthdays.

When the opportunity to speak to these new free agents arrives, the Edmonton Oilers have a great story to tell these free agents. Objectives--playoffs, playoff wins, series victories, deep trips into the spring--are likely to happen with this Oiler team during the back half of the 2010's.

Telling that story to Viktor Stalberg, to Anton Khudobin, to Boyd Gordon, may be enough in one or more cases to win the day.

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#101 Oilers G- Nations Poet Laureate
May 26 2013, 08:26PM
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@ Rocket...

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#102 PutzStew
May 26 2013, 08:29PM
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count wrote:

YES you have to keep everything postive and say that UFA will come here okey

enought of this crap.

I thought I was being positive. Why would you want to over pay for someone whom does not want to be here. It would be a positive thing if the Oilers do not sign him.

Where you Pronger's Neighbor by chance? That would make a lot of sense.

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#103 count
May 26 2013, 08:34PM
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PutzStew wrote:

I thought I was being positive. Why would you want to over pay for someone whom does not want to be here. It would be a positive thing if the Oilers do not sign him.

Where you Pronger's Neighbor by chance? That would make a lot of sense.

WHy should he not want to come here does he want to suck so much celebrity cock?

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#104 Rocket
May 26 2013, 08:35PM
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What about MacArthur from Toronto? Do you think he would like to play with Brown?

I know he would be a very small addition but every little step forward helps right?

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#105 Rocket
May 26 2013, 08:42PM
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@PutzStew

Thanks for the link. I never knew that about Bowmeester.

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#106 count
May 26 2013, 08:50PM
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magisterrex wrote:

One SHUT-UP! Two SHUT-UPs! Three SHUT-UPs! Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!

Very funny.

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#107 PutzStew
May 26 2013, 08:52PM
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Rocket wrote:

Thanks for the link. I never knew that about Bowmeester.

Sorry that was all I could find. Lots on google referencing it. Like I said though that was when he signed with the Flames so shortly after Comrie and right around the same time Lupel was here.

MacArther might be a good one. I don't know much about him but it won't be that hard to upgrade the bottom 6. Making it effective is another story.

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#108 PutzStew
May 26 2013, 08:55PM
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count wrote:

WHy should he not want to come here does he want to suck so much celebrity cock?

There's no Celebrities in at Disney Land, just a bunch of people in stuffed costumes. That's kind of twisted bud. I don't think we can be friends.

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#109 madjam
May 26 2013, 08:57PM
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MacKinnon goes first overall to Colorado as he eats up Jones a scond time in Memorial Cup . That gives them MacKinnon , Landescog , Duchenes and Stashny for center . Will Stashny end up being traded to Oilers ?

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#110 count
May 26 2013, 08:59PM
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PutzStew wrote:

There's no Celebrities in at Disney Land, just a bunch of people in stuffed costumes. That's kind of twisted bud. I don't think we can be friends.

OH SHUT UP.You are twisted.

Go oilers.

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#111 The Soup Fascist
May 26 2013, 09:02PM
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madjam wrote:

MacKinnon goes first overall to Colorado as he eats up Jones a scond time in Memorial Cup . That gives them MacKinnon , Landescog , Duchenes and Stashny for center . Will Stashny end up being traded to Oilers ?

Actually discussed this issue on TSN during intermission. Despite awesome final game by MacK and Drouin, Jones still #1 according to Mackenzie. Scouts unlikely to change opinion on small sample like the past week.

He said if anything, Drouin's stock rose more. All three appear to be the real deal right now, though.

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#112 PutzStew
May 26 2013, 09:03PM
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count wrote:

OH SHUT UP.You are twisted.

Go oilers.

I'm kind of disappointed. THATS THE BEST YOU COULD DO?

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#113 Rama LAma
May 26 2013, 09:06PM
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Now why do you have to be like that? With all the shutting up there will be no one talking.

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#114 PutzStew
May 26 2013, 09:07PM
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Rocket wrote:

I don't know. His pop played for The Nuggets I think & Colorado needs puck moving defencemen. MacKinnon would definitely help them so I don't think it's clear who they choose. It's like Yakupov vs. Murray. The Oilers need both.

On Sportsnet Kipreos & Cox were big on MacKinnon so I guess we'll have to wait until draft day to find out.

I love the draft drama!

At least it makes it interesting. I can't see them not taking Jones. He's still my bet to be #1. If Florida kept the pick I would think different but Colorado needs a top dman more then a forward.

Never the less you can't go wrong with either Jones or MacKinnon.

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#115 count
May 26 2013, 09:13PM
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Rama LAma wrote:

Now why do you have to be like that? With all the shutting up there will be no one talking.

That will be great because some people idiots and neeed to listen to some hellhammer.

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#116 The Soup Fascist
May 26 2013, 09:21PM
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Racki wrote:

I honestly think MacKinnon will be the better player in the long run.. just my gut feeling. But I think there's enough people thinking Jones is the #1 guy, or at least these guys are close enough to being equally good, that the Avs will go with need and take Seth Jones.

I think Jones will eventually be the best NHLer. Young D are tough to predict but, man this kid has tools! He gets up to full speed so quick. His first pass is excellent and he has a bomb.

He is an unbelievable athlete who will just keep getting better.

Not a knock on MacKinnon, just really like Jones.

At any rate it will be nice to actually have some suspense for the first time in quite awhile.

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#117 PutzStew
May 26 2013, 09:27PM
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Racki wrote:

I honestly think MacKinnon will be the better player in the long run.. just my gut feeling. But I think there's enough people thinking Jones is the #1 guy, or at least these guys are close enough to being equally good, that the Avs will go with need and take Seth Jones.

Here's hoping this draft lives unto the hype. If it is anything like the are claiming then it a win-win for the fans. One of the reasons 2006 was so great for the league was because of the influx of new players. I'm hoping this draft does the same thing.

Anyone know what a Hellhamer is? Is that some sort of term a guy would use when talking to his Boyfriend? Must be a Roost thing.

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#118 madjam
May 26 2013, 09:28PM
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Racki wrote:

I honestly think MacKinnon will be the better player in the long run.. just my gut feeling. But I think there's enough people thinking Jones is the #1 guy, or at least these guys are close enough to being equally good, that the Avs will go with need and take Seth Jones.

Do you really think Sakic and Roy would pass up on perhaps the next Crosby - I doubt it ? He's got potential to be best forward in league , but I doubt Jones will be best defenceman .

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#119 Rocket
May 26 2013, 09:31PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

I think Jones will eventually be the best NHLer. Young D are tough to predict but, man this kid has tools! He gets up to full speed so quick. His first pass is excellent and he has a bomb.

He is an unbelievable athlete who will just keep getting better.

Not a knock on MacKinnon, just really like Jones.

At any rate it will be nice to actually have some suspense for the first time in quite awhile.

Yeah no kidding, they're both awesome. Remember way back when The Oilers had this problem?

I too would take Jones but either way, I'm just glad The Oilers won't play The Avalanche as much as they used to. This team is gonna make some damage in the next few years.

(Unless Roy sucks at coaching but I don't see that happening)

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#120 Rocket
May 26 2013, 09:32PM
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@madjam

The next Crosby? He might be but those are some mighty big skates to fill.

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#121 PutzStew
May 26 2013, 09:40PM
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Rocket wrote:

The next Crosby? He might be but those are some mighty big skates to fill.

Wasn't he compared to rosby a few year back. I thought I remembered something about him because they are from the same town and all that. HNC maybe?

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#122 Racki
May 26 2013, 09:43PM
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madjam wrote:

Do you really think Sakic and Roy would pass up on perhaps the next Crosby - I doubt it ? He's got potential to be best forward in league , but I doubt Jones will be best defenceman .

I guess we'll find out, no? As I said, I'd take MacKinnon. But I think they'll take Jones. They've got a pretty healthy stock of young star forwards, so that's my feeling there.

As far as "the next Crosby", I think that's probably an overly lofty comparison. If he was the next Crosby, yes, they'd be stupid to pass up on him, but right now, he's probably "the next Crosby" as much as the Nuge, Tavares and all the other "next Crosbys" were. I'm not saying MacKinnon won't be good, btw.. I think he'll be quite good, but every year we hear how so-and-so is going to be the next Gretzky, or Crosby. If scouts really thought MacKinnon was the next Crosby, no one would have anyone other than him as the #1 guy.

I don't think there is enough separation between Jones and MacKinnon that the Avs will pass on a need, but we'll see. At any rate, I don't think the Avs can go wrong here, much like us when we had to choose between the Nuge and the other top picks, or Hall / Seguin.

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#123 Rocket
May 26 2013, 09:45PM
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^ Yup

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#124 PutzStew
May 26 2013, 09:50PM
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Racki wrote:

I guess we'll find out, no? As I said, I'd take MacKinnon. But I think they'll take Jones. They've got a pretty healthy stock of young star forwards, so that's my feeling there.

As far as "the next Crosby", I think that's probably an overly lofty comparison. If he was the next Crosby, yes, they'd be stupid to pass up on him, but right now, he's probably "the next Crosby" as much as the Nuge, Tavares and all the other "next Crosbys" were. I'm not saying MacKinnon won't be good, btw.. I think he'll be quite good, but every year we hear how so-and-so is going to be the next Gretzky, or Crosby. If scouts really thought MacKinnon was the next Crosby, no one would have anyone other than him as the #1 guy.

I don't think there is enough separation between Jones and MacKinnon that the Avs will pass on a need, but we'll see. At any rate, I don't think the Avs can go wrong here, much like us when we had to choose between the Nuge and the other top picks, or Hall / Seguin.

Sorry I should clarify. That was 2(?) years ago and I think the were looking at him as he is from the same town, had mad skill and was, at that time, already projecting to be a potential #1 pick, all just like Crosby. I got the impression from that, that he was projected to be the next Crosby.

I'm sure it was a HNC thing.

Boy sure is quite in hear with no one yelling. Almost boring.

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#125 PutzStew
May 26 2013, 09:51PM
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@Jason

if Oilers end up with McDavid, there won't be any fans left.

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#126 Sean
May 26 2013, 09:53PM
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I'd rather have Sean Day

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#127 The Soup Fascist
May 26 2013, 09:59PM
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TwoSkidoos wrote:

Look at the Memorial Cup. As good as Jones was in the regular season and WHL playoffs, MacKinnon picked up another gear and put it in overdrive in the biggest games of his career.

Five points in the last, most meaningful game in junior hockey tells me one thing - Nate MacKinnon is a gamer. Gamers win hockey games. Good players don't.

Which would you rather have?

It is important to remember scouts are not looking for the guy who is most impactful player now, squaring off against teenagers.

Their job is to find the guy who will be most impactful over the next decade or so in the best league in the world.

I am not saying it won't be MacKinnon but tonight's game is of little consequence.

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#128 Rocket
May 26 2013, 09:59PM
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PutzStew wrote:

if Oilers end up with McDavid, there won't be any fans left.

Sadly true

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#129 Racki
May 26 2013, 10:02PM
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PutzStew wrote:

Sorry I should clarify. That was 2(?) years ago and I think the were looking at him as he is from the same town, had mad skill and was, at that time, already projecting to be a potential #1 pick, all just like Crosby. I got the impression from that, that he was projected to be the next Crosby.

I'm sure it was a HNC thing.

Boy sure is quite in hear with no one yelling. Almost boring.

I do recall MacKinnon being touted as the next Crosby a couple years ago. Now it's Connor MacDavid, and, to a much lesser extent (I think) Tyler Benson.

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#130 Rocket
May 26 2013, 10:03PM
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The Soup Fascist wrote:

It is important to remember scouts are not looking for the guy who is most impactful player now, squaring off against teenagers.

Their job is to find the guy who will be most impactful over the next decade or so in the best league in the world.

I am not saying it won't be MacKinnon but tonight's game is of little consequence.

I tend to agree but scouts are human (I know!?!) and may give more importance to what they have seen most recently. I bet The Oilers wish they had Colorado's problem. Oh wait.....

(Cheap laughs)

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#131 Citizen David
May 26 2013, 10:43PM
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The NHL needs to go to the Olympics in 2018.

The center's Canada could choose from: Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, Toews, Duchene, Giroux, Nuge, Couture, Skinner, Seguin, MacKinnon, McDavid, Reinhart.

The defense Sweden could choose from: Karlsson, Ekman-Larsson, Hedmen, Brodin, Klefbom, Larsson, Rundblad,

The team the States could ice: Kane, Parise, Ryan, Brown, Kessel, Kesler, Galchenyuk, Suter, Shattenkirk, Jones, Johnson, Fowler, Trouba,

The Russians: Ovechkin, Malkin, Kovelchuk, Yakupov, Tarasenko, Kuznetsov, Grigorenko, Radulov,

And more I forgot.

Please send them.

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#132 Rocket
May 26 2013, 11:06PM
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Citizen David wrote:

The NHL needs to go to the Olympics in 2018.

The center's Canada could choose from: Crosby, Stamkos, Tavares, Toews, Duchene, Giroux, Nuge, Couture, Skinner, Seguin, MacKinnon, McDavid, Reinhart.

The defense Sweden could choose from: Karlsson, Ekman-Larsson, Hedmen, Brodin, Klefbom, Larsson, Rundblad,

The team the States could ice: Kane, Parise, Ryan, Brown, Kessel, Kesler, Galchenyuk, Suter, Shattenkirk, Jones, Johnson, Fowler, Trouba,

The Russians: Ovechkin, Malkin, Kovelchuk, Yakupov, Tarasenko, Kuznetsov, Grigorenko, Radulov,

And more I forgot.

Please send them.

I don't know where this is coming from but I agree.

These are all good athletes that should be in Sochi.

It will be a close but great tournament.

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#133 Josh Oiler
May 26 2013, 11:10PM
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IF IM JOSEPH SAKIC: (Which I'm not). Watch Nathan McKinnon LIGHT UP SETH JONES TWICE IN ONE WEEK - HAT TRICKS?????

I draft this dude... I almost wish Edmonton finished 30th this year!

IF SAKIC DRAFTS MCKINNON... THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A SICK TEAM IN A COUPLE OF YEARS!!!

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#134 Rocket
May 26 2013, 11:14PM
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@Josh Oiler

Yeah Colorado is definitely trending upwards but I'm glad The Oilers did not finish 30th again this year although they could use Jones or Mackinnon.

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#135 Citizen David
May 26 2013, 11:15PM
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Rocket wrote:

I don't know where this is coming from but I agree.

These are all good athletes that should be in Sochi.

It will be a close but great tournament.

Ya it's a rabbit trail stemming from the MacKinnon talk.

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#136 madjam
May 26 2013, 11:17PM
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Drouin and MacKinnon ate up Jones in both games . Jones will be facing that same sort of talent everyday in the NHL . Don't put him on a pedestal just yet , as he's getting lit up by his junior peers around his own age - MacKinnon almost a year younger . I'm not sold he's even better than his other defencemen in Rutkowski and Wortherspoon .Portland has quite the defence and team , but Halifax caused them fits both games - and that does have meaning . Droiun sure reminds one of Hopkins no doubt .

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#137 Citizen David
May 26 2013, 11:18PM
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MacKinnon should for sure go #1. But doubt he will. Colorado will wish they did in a few years.

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#138 Rocket
May 26 2013, 11:20PM
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@Citizen David

Fair enough.

Could you imagine Mackinnon being the 13th forward in 2018? I know it's way ahead but that would be a stellar team.

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#139 Rocket
May 26 2013, 11:26PM
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madjam wrote:

Drouin and MacKinnon ate up Jones in both games . Jones will be facing that same sort of talent everyday in the NHL . Don't put him on a pedestal just yet , as he's getting lit up by his junior peers around his own age - MacKinnon almost a year younger . I'm not sold he's even better than his other defencemen in Rutkowski and Wortherspoon .Portland has quite the defence and team , but Halifax caused them fits both games - and that does have meaning . Droiun sure reminds one of Hopkins no doubt .

They'll both be great players. Funny thing is that by my eye and most commentators, Portland has a fast transition game. That's one of the main reasons The Oil Kings had trouble with them.

I hope Drouin does not turn out to be another Gagner.

(I like Gagner but c'mon, he played with Kane on his wing)

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#140 Citizen David
May 26 2013, 11:26PM
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It would be a stellar team. But all the talk seems to be that Sochi will be the last.

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#141 count
May 26 2013, 11:28PM
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WE ARE GOING OFF TOPIC HERE OILERS SHOULD SIGN A PLAYER REGARDLESS OF OUR LOCATION.

OH AND HELLHAMMER IS A BAND.

BLACK METAL FOREVER.

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#142 Rocket
May 26 2013, 11:34PM
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Citizen David wrote:

It would be a stellar team. But all the talk seems to be that Sochi will be the last.

You might be correct but I sure hope not.

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#143 Rocket
May 26 2013, 11:36PM
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count wrote:

WE ARE GOING OFF TOPIC HERE OILERS SHOULD SIGN A PLAYER REGARDLESS OF OUR LOCATION.

OH AND HELLHAMMER IS A BAND.

BLACK METAL FOREVER.

I'm more of a 90's groove metal fan but hey whatever floats your boat.

Also, 80's thrash metal still has value. Just like Hemsky;)

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#144 Taylor Gang
May 27 2013, 12:03AM
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Completely agreed on the Mackinnon isn't the next Crosby thing. If he truly was, he would be the unanimous choice for #1 overall.

Can we talk about the Oilers and how we should trade our #7 pick if we can't get Monahan/Nichushkin?

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#145 Rocket
May 27 2013, 12:08AM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Completely agreed on the Mackinnon isn't the next Crosby thing. If he truly was, he would be the unanimous choice for #1 overall.

Can we talk about the Oilers and how we should trade our #7 pick if we can't get Monahan/Nichushkin?

Yes. Yes management should trade up. Any ideas how to do it? 'cause it looks like The Oilers are picking 7th overall.

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#146 Quicksilver ballet
May 27 2013, 12:22AM
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count wrote:

WE ARE GOING OFF TOPIC HERE OILERS SHOULD SIGN A PLAYER REGARDLESS OF OUR LOCATION.

OH AND HELLHAMMER IS A BAND.

BLACK METAL FOREVER.

No wonder you're so impatient, and always screaming.

This could all come to an end, and your sanity will be restored if you just stop listening to that crap music, it's obviously corrupted your soul. Even I had a band (Freddie and the nosebleeds) that put out better ship than you're listening to.

Back away and put the bong down dude, Rick Astley is 10 times the performer, compared to that crap you're listening to.

HELLHUMMER SUCKS! Sounds like a terrible xxx rated skin flick.

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#147 Rocket
May 27 2013, 12:29AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

No wonder you're so impatient, and always screaming.

This could all come to an end, and your sanity will be restored if you just stop listening to that crap music, it's obviously corrupted your soul. Even I had a band (Freddie and the nosebleeds) that put out better ship than you're listening to.

Back away and put the bong down dude, Rick Astley is 10 times the performer, compared to that crap you're listening to.

HELLHUMMER SUCKS! Sounds like a terrible xxx rated skin flick.

First of all, it's a terrific skin flick & second: Why would I put my bong down? It's the same one Kevin Lowe uses and he only picks the best players to be on his team!

HELLHUMMER RULZ! Rick Astley Droolz!

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#148 count
May 27 2013, 12:30AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

No wonder you're so impatient, and always screaming.

This could all come to an end, and your sanity will be restored if you just stop listening to that crap music, it's obviously corrupted your soul. Even I had a band (Freddie and the nosebleeds) that put out better ship than you're listening to.

Back away and put the bong down dude, Rick Astley is 10 times the performer, compared to that crap you're listening to.

HELLHUMMER SUCKS! Sounds like a terrible xxx rated skin flick.

Excuse me ,your music sucks even more.BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Nickleback suxs.

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#149 The Soup Fascist
May 27 2013, 12:33AM
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madjam wrote:

Drouin and MacKinnon ate up Jones in both games . Jones will be facing that same sort of talent everyday in the NHL . Don't put him on a pedestal just yet , as he's getting lit up by his junior peers around his own age - MacKinnon almost a year younger . I'm not sold he's even better than his other defencemen in Rutkowski and Wortherspoon .Portland has quite the defence and team , but Halifax caused them fits both games - and that does have meaning . Droiun sure reminds one of Hopkins no doubt .

No offence to Rutkoski or Wotherspoon who are fine hockey players but ....... You are kidding ...... Right?

That is like saying I am not sure that Ferrari is quite as fast as my Prius or Smart Car.

There IS that much difference.

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#150 Rocket
May 27 2013, 12:43AM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Lol, alright, you got me.

So, are these guys from before Duran Duran, or after?

and i'm hungry like a wolf..... Lawrence Welk > Hellhummer.

Wow I never put that together. Duran Duran & the boys on the bus. Superteam!

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