MACT JOB 1: SIGNING SAMWISE

Lowetide
May 29 2013 05:48PM

 

Craig MacTavish has a 'to-do' list that would challenge mortals, but his media conferences suggest he's going to get a lot done this summer. We've talked draft, and buyouts and trades, but the truth is that job 1 is getting Sam Gagner's situation straighted out. 

Sam Gagner likes it in Edmonton based on reports, and the Oilers clearly like Samwise according to Craig MacTavish. However, Sam and his agent have an idea about fair dollars for service and the Oilers have a cap number in mind, and those two things might not be close. 

Sam's a unique case--expecting him to do a 'Laddy Smid' and dictate to the media his contract before it's written is folly--and his agent wouldn't be doing his job unless he's pushing the dollars higher. That's just good represenation. 

On the other hand, this is a sweet, sweet spot in the batting order for any young player. Sam Gagner has a chance to be an outstanding 'end of the batting order' offensive player and a real positive for this young Oiler team. Even the loser in a battle for good wingers is going to end up with Yak City and someone else who can cash, and that my friends is very nice address. 

SAM GAGNER 12-13

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.84 (4th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 6.15 (1st among regular forwards, 19th in NHL)
  • Qual Comp: 5th toughest among regular forwards (2nd line opp)
  • Qual Team: 6th best teammates among regular forwards
  • Corsi Rel: -4.3 (9th best among regular forwards) (-14.44 CorsiON)
  • Zone Start: 51.4% (4th easiest among regular forwards)
  • Zone Finish: 52.0% (3rd best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 113/12.39% (2nd among F’s>70 shots)
  • Boxcars: 48, 14-24-38
  • Plus Minus: -6 on a team that was -15

Gagner's playing card looks exactly as we might expect at 5x5, and he had a wonderful run on the PP--a bad, bad thing considering MacT is about to buy free agent seasons from him. His shot differential was less than we should expect, and that's a concern, but the boxcars are lovely and he can clearly play with skill. 

Sam Gagner is going to cost a pretty penny. 

THE VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER

(courtesy Bruce McCurdy via Rob Vollman)

Sam's bubble tells the story--small negative (red) in the shot differential and playing second toughest opp (putting him in the two way role) while still getting decent zone starts.

Is that graph worth $5M? Add his PP prowess and a great agent, I think a case can be made.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

I think it comes down to dollars. I believe Craig MacTavish when he says “Sam Gagner has really developed into a leader here, the type of character we want. And that’s going to be important when I’m making the decisions that we have the type of culture in that room. We’ve had a few years of too much of a circus in there. And that’s going to change" and I believe he wants to sign the young skill forward.

On the other hand, there's a line in the sand the new GM is unlikely to go past in terms of contract number and length, and with Samwise possibly a year away from free agency and holding some cards, I suspect this thing gets done one way or another before the free agent window opens.

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#1 They're $hittie
May 29 2013, 07:48PM
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DSF wrote:

Gagner has always been a very streaky player.

In the first 10 games last season, he scored 11 points while many other players were getting up to speed after the lockout.

In the final 10 games, he scored 4 points...all of them 2nd assists.

Had he continued on the same pace as the last 10 games, he would have finished the season around 55 points.

Of course, there is a chance he would have picked up the pace again but I wouldn't bet on it.

What is a 55 point 2nd line centre who still needs sheltering 7 years into his career worth?

Anything over $4 million is likely an overpayment.

No one cares.

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#2 David S
May 30 2013, 10:13AM
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Interesting that everybody is so hot to trade one of the few assets on this team that have any actual value. Isn't the point to acquire guys like that rather than trade 'em?

Hemsky is gone. Horcoff is (probably) gone. PRV is a third-liner in the real world. Jones is not ultra desirable. That's four guys with less value to this team you could add to the 7th pick to get that big C everybody wants. Then you buy the big D and move Sam to the wing.

You give him $4.5M/Yr for 5 years, sit back and enjoy a 60 point winger who sets up Yakupov rockets all day long and be damn happy you didn't pay any attention to the HockeyBuzz/Hockey's Future/"BAM! Stanley Cup!" crowd.

*Drops mic*

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#3 djc
May 29 2013, 07:13PM
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DSF wrote:

Gagner has always been a very streaky player.

In the first 10 games last season, he scored 11 points while many other players were getting up to speed after the lockout.

In the final 10 games, he scored 4 points...all of them 2nd assists.

Had he continued on the same pace as the last 10 games, he would have finished the season around 55 points.

Of course, there is a chance he would have picked up the pace again but I wouldn't bet on it.

What is a 55 point 2nd line centre who still needs sheltering 7 years into his career worth?

Anything over $4 million is likely an overpayment.

Wow, thank you for all that new information that you had NEVER shared with us!

Do you just cut and paste or do you have your script memorized?

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#4 Taylor Gang
May 30 2013, 12:25AM
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DSF wrote:

In his last 20 games he scored 3 goals and 11 points. (-7)

That pro-rates over an 82 game season to 12 goals and 44 points. (-28)

Considering he played during the lockout and many other players were just getting up to speed, I'd be very wary of his production last season.

When the games mattered, he was dreadful.

I was asking a hypothetical question and you tell me something that has no part in this. Way to be

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#5 vetinari
May 29 2013, 06:00PM
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I'd rather that the Oil sign Sam for $4.5M to $5.25M per year than continue to take Horcoff's cap hit for the next few seasons. A second line centre gets paid in that range and produces Sam's numbers-- we just currently pay Horcoff Gagner's next contract. Fix it MacT!

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#6 shea78
May 29 2013, 08:49PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Why not sign Bozak to 4 years - 20 million then trade Gagner for an asset. Personally I think Bozak is an upgrade on Gagner.

Gagner + Marincin + 1st pick 2014 for Pietrangelo.

Those two moves would make us a playoff team over night - move over MacT, lol

*edit* Before I get my head ripped off I know trading for Pietrangelo is a pipe dream. But I think signing Bozak for .5 million more than Gagner will likely get, then trading Gagner for an asset qualifies as a "bold move"

Pietrangelo? Keep dreaming.

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#7 Citizen David
May 29 2013, 09:49PM
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I'm a huge fan of Gagner. In his case, I totally believe he hasn't hit his prime yet. Only 23 years old. At 26 he could be scary. I would push hard for 4.25 for 5 years. Would settle at 4.5.

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#8 Taylor Gang
May 29 2013, 11:08PM
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Okay crazy thought here... But WHAT IF he picks up right where he left off in a points perspective? Would we be willing to cope with his small stature?

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#9 GVBlackhawk
May 29 2013, 11:28PM
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DSF wrote:

Gagner spent 1:35 SHTOI/G.

That was 7th among Oilers forwards.

Gagner spent 1:35 TOI/60 4v5 -- that is 6th among Oilers forwards who played 20+ games. And he only started getting PK ice time when Belanger (and Horcoff) went down with injuries.

Finished with a Corsi Relative Quality of Competition of +2.996, which led the team.

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#10 Time Travelling Sean
May 30 2013, 02:34AM
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That dreadful season of 44 points doesn't seem so dreadful for a 2nd line C, and that's using extremely conservative projections based off of a cold-streak which every player goes through.

Turris was on pace for 49 points if this was an 82 game season.

Krejci was on pace for 57 points in 82 games aswell.

Doesn't seem that far off, esp considering Gags was really on pace for 64 points.

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#11 YEGFan
May 30 2013, 08:42AM
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I really have a tough time understanding the logic behind some people's desperation to get Gagner out of town. I just went back to read the scouting reports on Sam Gagner before the 2007 draft and they are extremely positive using language like "vision," "raises the game of everyone around him," and "quick release." Judging by the scouting reports he seems like he was head and shoulders ahead of Monahan is today. If Calgary were to offer the #6 pick straight up for Gagner (the same pick that was used to select him) would anyone turn them down? I am guessing the answer is an emphatic NO.

That philosophy seems illogical to me. I just don't understand the rationale behind rolling the dice again on a player who might possibly be as good as Gagner, very possibly could be worse, and has a shot at being better. I understand that this is the prevailing thinking in the NHL and comprehend the value of entry level contracts, but to me, Gagner is more valuable to the Oilers than even Sasha Barkov (straight up) would be next season, and weighted for probabilities of Barkov being a bust, through the length of their careers.

I understand there are known holes in Gagner's game, but they are the kind of holes that players rectify. There is a legitimate chance ANY draft pick amounts to an also ran AHLer, Sam Gagner is already known to be better than that.

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#12 CalgaryOilersFan
May 30 2013, 09:22AM
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DSF wrote:

Gagner's P/60 5V5 this past season was 1.84 (95th in the league among forwards who played at least 40 games)

Tom Pyatt, Vernon Fiddler and Andrew Cogliano were some notable players who posted a better number.

Gagner has always received a great deal of primo icetime and PP opportunities (33rd in P/60 5V4) and still hasn't put up the numbers that you would think appropriate.

Considering the weaknesses in his defensive game it's risky business.

Sam Gagner ranks 42 among centers with a P/60 5V5 at 1.84,

Henrik Zetterberg, David Backes, Joe Thorton, Jordan Staal, Mike Richards, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins were some notable players who posted a worst number.

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#13 CalgaryOilersFan
May 30 2013, 12:18PM
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DSF wrote:

In his last 20 games he scored 3 goals and 11 points. (-7)

That pro-rates over an 82 game season to 12 goals and 44 points. (-28)

Considering he played during the lockout and many other players were just getting up to speed, I'd be very wary of his production last season.

When the games mattered, he was dreadful.

In his first 20 games he scored 6 goals and 19 points (-4)

That pro-rates over an 82 games season to 24 goals and 78 points (-16)

That would have had him tied for 10th in overall points in 2011-12.

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#14 stretch14
May 29 2013, 06:43PM
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@Lowetide

Lowetide, why exactly does a guy who has never broken 20 goals or 50 points deserve a contract in the $5mil/yr range?

I think that it's absurd to hand out those type of contracts like candy to a guy who still has some left to prove at the NHL level.

Granted this season his stats would be prorated to 24G, 41A, 65PTS over an 82 game season. Would he be able to maintain that pace over 82 games and stay healthy? Personally, I doubt it as he's a notoriously slow starter over the first couple months of the season.

Why should the Oilers shell out $4.5-5mil/yr for a guy who's had one good (but not great) half a season? He started the year on fire but even halfway through a shortened season he started to fizzle a bit during the second half.

I think $4mil/yr for 5-6 years is more than fair for both sides and even that is a little generous. Ideally, he'd be in the 3.5-3.75 range but I guess that's price you pay for buying up UFA years.

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#15 Taylor Gang
May 29 2013, 07:42PM
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Okay let's be conservative and assume he gets 55 points in an 82 game season.

There's no way a player scoring 55 points a season would accept 4 million a year. That's chump change.

If this turns into O'Reilly v2, his value will drop a fair bit. If we REALLY were sold on him being our #2 (which I'm not) I'm thinking 4.5-5 x 4 is fair. If we thought about trading him, I would hope that it would be for another centre. Trade a winger if you want quality defensemen. I wonder how much a package centred (no pun intended) around Gagner would look if we went for someone like David Backes.

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#16 horndog77
May 29 2013, 08:46PM
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Say no to Hall to center

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#17 Citizen David
May 29 2013, 09:47PM
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15w40 wrote:

What's the going rate for an 2nd line winger that will see no time on the penalty kill and 2nd PP unit minutes??

I can't see over 4.0 avg on a 4 or 5 year deal.

And there shouldn't be a NTC or a NMC either.

Gagner saw plenty of penalty kill time this past season.

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#18 GVBlackhawk
May 29 2013, 10:25PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

For 1.5 you could replace Horcoff with someone who exeeds him in every statistical category. Kyle Wellwood is that guy. That's a 4 mill per season savings. 2 mill in savings, what could they do with 4 by going with Wellwood?

I see your logic but I would want a better possession player than Wellwood at 3C. I think it would be better value for the money to get a Boyd Gordon-type player; a player who can handle tougher minutes than a Wellwood can.

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#19 j
May 30 2013, 08:23AM
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Is Wellwood the new Horcoff or the old Gagner? I can't seem to keep up. I've never heard so much love for a player that has played on 4 teams in 6 years and has yet to break 50 points or 20 PIMs. I thought we were trying to move away from mediocrity?

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#20 DieHard
May 29 2013, 05:56PM
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This one scares me.

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#21 PutzStew
May 29 2013, 06:17PM
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This will be interesting because it could set the tone for the rest of the summer. How this is dealt with will tell us if this administration moving ahead and away from the dark tunnel they have put themselves in or whether it's just a lot of hot air coming out of MacT's mouth.

Doesn't matter if he is signed or traded. To me it's all about how it's handled.

Gagner has been one of the better points of this team since his rookie season. I wish him luck and will cheer for him no matter where he ends up playing.

@Lowtide. What do you think the odds are he get's signed. Does it go to arbitration? Is he let go with class? Do we have another Ryan Smyth episode on our hands?

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#22 Quicksilver ballet
May 29 2013, 06:18PM
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This team isn't going anywhere till these guys are gone. Horcoff, Hemsky and Gagner, all have huge holes in their game. The only thing Gags has going for him is when the Oilers are shooting fish in a barrel when in the offensive zone, and his give a ship meter has a reading on it compared to these other two supposed leaders. All three of these guys struggle, from the opponents blue line back to the Oilers goal line.

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link, Edmonton has three on the same chain/team. This concludes this public service announcement, we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

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#24 They're $hittie
May 29 2013, 08:00PM
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@John Chambers

So overpaying Gagner 250K hurts this team but overpaying Eberle 1M doesnt?

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#25 shea78
May 29 2013, 08:22PM
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This guy is a legit top six forward and oh ya, he's also a centerman. He has value on the trade market. If we can pull off a deal and land Barkov, would you deal Sam straight up for Alzner? If Washington chooses not to sign Ribeiro, the'll need a new second line center.

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#26 Smokey
May 29 2013, 08:36PM
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I think he will be here long term as a winger. 4x4.5 is what he will get.

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#27 oilersinsider
May 29 2013, 08:41PM
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The best thing MacTavish could do is obtain a good 2nd line center option at the draft by trade.

If he could somehow swindle a Mike Fisher out of Nashville for two offensive weapons (Nashville might consider two offensive players for one) or a Derick Brassard out of NY, maybe a Joe Pavelski out of San Jose; Gagner no longer has the leverage in this equation because he becomes expendable.

Leverage makes all the difference and right now Edmonton doesn't have it.

If the Oil can manage to get Gagner on a good contract, Edmonton can move him to wing and/or have depth at center which would be ideal.

Right now Edmonton has to worry that if they can't get a good deal for Gagner, they lose him and have an injured Nuge and a declining Horcoff as their only centers unless they move Hall over.

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#28 Rocket
May 29 2013, 08:49PM
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horndog77 wrote:

Say no to Hall to center

^ This...all day.

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#29 speeds
May 29 2013, 08:53PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I'd be fine with $4.5M times 4 or 5. The length may seem to be severe, but he's young and should cover.

Severe?

If Gagner goes UFA, there is only a small chance IMO that he doesn't get a 7 year deal if he wants to sign for that long in the summer of 2014, assuming nothing out of the ordinary next season.

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#30 Walter Sobchak
May 29 2013, 11:17PM
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Mac-T Things to do.

Get a top pairing defence men.

Rebuild the bottom six , that's 4 or 5 players.

Get at least one, fast, bid, skilled center capable of a two way game and offence.

Find and sign two goalies and draft another one.

Buyout Horcoff and Belanger.

Sign Gagner.

Did I miss anything?

How the hell does MacTavish do all this without trading someone?

Gagner is good as gone or MacTavish is full of crap.

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#31 GVBlackhawk
May 30 2013, 12:09AM
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Supernova wrote:

I am saying they are not in a cap issue state this year.

Why not add that same guy and move away from Horcoff next year. You can even move Horcoff down the line up or to wing if the other guy is better.

The problem is until we know the guy is better why move on. Oilers are not stuck for cap space and highly unlikely to acquire a guy ( weber) that would use all that space.

We need players on the 3 and 4 lines that can play, and we need Center depth.

Unless MacT is signing 3 Centers this summer, we won't have that depth.

The Oilers will spend to the cap...64.3M for next season.

The biggest weakness on the Oilers is defense. I would rather the team acquire a $5M defenseman (top minute guy) than a $3M defenseman (2nd or 3rd pairing guy). The $2M has to come from somewhere.

I agree with you that the team requires better 3rd and 4th line guys. These players will cost money. For example, if you want to add a Stalberg, Bickell, or better, you are looking at $3.0M+. The money has to come from somewhere.

In order to improve the team, you cannot have players on the roster who are being paid at a level that is not commensurate with performance (i.e. negative-value contracts).

I don't dislike Horcoff but he is a classic negative-value contract and should not be retained.

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#32 YEGFan
May 30 2013, 12:50AM
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This post covers the Sam Gagner issue from top to bottom: http://www.coppernblue.com/2013/5/21/4352068/sam-gagner-new-contract

The ceiling is 4.5M but I doubt Gagner gets that. If he starts demanding more he will be traded. If he opts for a 1yr through arbitration he will be traded. He is unlikely to demand more than the 4.5M because there is plenty of precedent working against him and MacT can point to the same advanced statistics that you are all pointing to.

If you can sign him for somewhere in the 4-4.25M range you would be foolish to trade him unless the other team is over paying. Some team might see him as a young, above average, second line centre who can put the puck in the net. That's an attractive thing and somebody may be willing to pay a premium for it.

If the Oilers are not getting a premium they should not trade Gagner, unless he is demanding over 4.5M, which he probably won't unless he is unhappy with the team.

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#33 Sanaa Montana
May 30 2013, 12:59AM
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Oilers will sign and trade Gagner, or they might just trade him as is.

There is no way the Oilers sign and keep Gagner long term. Mac said that he wants to get rid of the players that might have got use to losing-all Gagner knows is losing. When Mac praised Gagner and spoke about his plans for the future, he was giving Gagner and his agent some of that PR butter(I cant believe its not margarine)

To sign Gagner to and keep him is a risk, just as much a risk as is putting Gagner on the wing. Gagner cant win a battle with a granny at a grocery store yet alone a NHL dman along the boards.(joke).but he is pretty weak on the puck.

Gagner's stats may suggest he deserves $4mil a year, but if you judge by his play and value to the team: dont give him over $3mil.

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#34 They're $hittie
May 30 2013, 06:31AM
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@DSF

Wellwood is not better than gagner. and 30 gms in the league and all media would agree with this statement. Just please shut up.

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#35 YEGFan
May 30 2013, 10:37AM
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2004Z06 wrote:

This article is about Gagner, not Horcoff! So sick of the Horcoff crap. His situation will sort itself out over the next year or two. Let it go already!

As for Gagner...He is one of the few assets that are in high demand over this summer. Very few centers available that are young and have no term left on contract. He is prime trade bait this year.

If he stays, he needs to be moved to the wing. He lacks three prime assets that are a MUST in a centerman. His faceoff numbers are horrific, his size/physicality are lacking (not his fault, simply genetics) and he is a defensive liability in his own zone every time he is on the ice.

Sign and trade, trade, or sign and move to the wing. Those are the only three options. Lots of teams looking for scoring depth out there. Hemsky + Gagner could bring back a solid D man or big C.

I still think Burmistrov is a 2C option on the cheap....Could be great with Yakupov and maybe Nishushkin....

First you say Gagner is valuable and everyone wants him because he is a young centre, then you say that he's useless because he cannot play centre. He either is valuable as a centre and other teams will trade for him, or he is useless as a centre and therefore we cannot expect MacT to get anything of value for him. If the former is true the Oilers should think long and hard before they take a gamble on getting rid of him for someone like Burmistrov. If the latter is true then he is a bust and the professionals at other organizations will not offer you pieces that make this team significantly better. Personally, I think it is the former and the majority of your post is off the mark.

Also, you are foolish if you do not consider the other players on the roster when discussing Gagner. Horcoff is 100% a legitimate discussion topic in this thread. If you do not understand why I honestly think you are over simplifying this and probably cannot come up with any insightful ideas. Not only that, but your post implies talking about Burmistrov is more relevant to the Oilers contract negotiations than talking about Horcoff is!

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#36 GVBlackhawk
May 30 2013, 10:55AM
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DSF wrote:

In his last 20 games he scored 3 goals and 11 points. (-7)

That pro-rates over an 82 game season to 12 goals and 44 points. (-28)

Considering he played during the lockout and many other players were just getting up to speed, I'd be very wary of his production last season.

When the games mattered, he was dreadful.

Prorating on a small sample size...big surprise!

Try prorating on his points streak and see what kind of numbers you get.

All games matter. The points earned in game one are as important as the points earned in the final game.

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#37 mr. common sense
May 30 2013, 01:03PM
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terrible move for the oilers to sign him long term...he must be moved IMMEDIATELY to bring in a player or two that helps compliment the core of Hall, ebs, nuge and yak.......alice, horcoff and gagner need to go, that money to be used for a #1Dman and 2 rugged fwds (clowe and Ott)....remember the window for the oil to win is within the next 4-5 yrs, no point wasting money on any player (im not picking on sam) that do not add size and grit....j. shcultz + the #1D we get + Hall, Ebs, Yak and Nuge are the stars we need...the rest should be heavy bodies who skate and physically demolish the opposition....

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#38 GVBlackhawk
May 30 2013, 10:42PM
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keilan wrote:

Anything over 3 million per year is a overpay. Gagner will make Horcoff's contract seem like a bargin in hindsight.

If MacT keeps Gagner then its time to find another team to follow........

Ladies and gentlemen! It appears we have another 'DSFian' free agent on our hands.

I realize it is difficult to stick with one team, especially when the manager doesn't conform to one's own irrational thought process.

Good luck with the new team!

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#39 Quicksilver ballet
May 29 2013, 05:52PM
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Oilers shouldn't sign him. He'll be worth more on the market if he's unsigned when he's dealt. Not everyone runs their ship the way the Oilers do. If anything, the Oilers are the model of how things shouldn't be done. Let the new team do business with Gagner on their terms. Don't saddle him with a slightly bloated contract.

Even better yet, maybe a team signs him to an RFA offer sheet. Oilers could sure use another 1st, 2nd and 3rd next season. Keep pumping those tires of his Craig.

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#42 T__Bone88
May 29 2013, 06:06PM
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I can't see Gagner signing for a cap hit of more than $4.5 million. Looking at recent contracts signed, Benn and Krecji have cap hits of 5.25 million, Neal has a cap hit of 5 million and Oshie signed for a 4.175 million cap hit. This upcoming season he will probably slide over to the wing since MacT wants to bring in a bigger center. RFA's don't have as much leverage as UFA's and if arbitration is filed I believe he can not be offered a offer sheet. If Gagner does want 5 or more than I would have no issue with the Oilers trading him to upgrade on defense

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#43 DieHard
May 29 2013, 06:11PM
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@Lowetide

LT, what would you be comfortable with? Would you do 5/6 years at cap hit 4.75?

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#45 SlowTalker
May 29 2013, 06:18PM
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30 minutes in and "you know who" hasn't weighed in on this? His ears must be burning red hot by now.

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#46 Jamie B.
May 29 2013, 06:19PM
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Sam's my favourite and I agree with MacT about his character, plus I'll be pissed if they played him through all those struggling years on a crappy team only to ditch him now, but I sincerely hope MacT plays hardass. Just spell it out for him: "Hey Sam, you wanna be around when we finally cash in all these last-place finishes and play on a pretty great team? Then you've gotta leave room for 93, 19 and 64 (or the d-man we trade someone for)."

If he'd rather have 5+ million and play in Florida or something, then you thank him for the six years of service and move him for as much as you can get. Totally Gagner's call.

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#47 madjam
May 29 2013, 06:29PM
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CoppernBlue figures put him @4.1M , with an outside shot @4.5M . At $4M i'd be shopping him .

My understanding is MacT. did not confer Gagner or J.Schultz was necessarily part of the Fab six . Read into it what you might .

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#48 magisterrex
May 29 2013, 06:30PM
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MacT is saying all the right things to prepare John Q. Public for the trade that's coming should Sammy Gags (things you read on ON) push for north of $4.5M.

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#49 Supernova
May 29 2013, 07:02PM
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It would be great If we could ink Sam to the Previous hemsky contract.

In my opinion Hemsky covered that deal well, and I think that would be exceptional contract for this team.

Seriously don't get why people want to get out from under Horcoff, his contract is finally good money and he is finally slotted where he should be.

Unless Mact is going to propose Horcoff to Tampa for Lecavalier at 60 % of his contract, we need to keep Horcoff.

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#50 They're $hittie
May 29 2013, 07:04PM
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I said it last year. tambo screwed up by extending eberle at 6m and gagner 1 year. you overpay for eberle based on one years performance and now you have the same for gagner. should have signed sam last year to 5 or 6 @ 4.3 and eberle this year at 5.1. easily save 1.5 million or more.

gagner has a strong case. out produced the six million dollar man playing a tougher position and with lesser teamates. was our top pk based on a lot of stats. was the top pp guy. one of the top minutes forward. only center to play the whole year and possibly the same next.

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