MACT JOB 1: SIGNING SAMWISE

Lowetide
May 29 2013 05:48PM

 

Craig MacTavish has a 'to-do' list that would challenge mortals, but his media conferences suggest he's going to get a lot done this summer. We've talked draft, and buyouts and trades, but the truth is that job 1 is getting Sam Gagner's situation straighted out. 

Sam Gagner likes it in Edmonton based on reports, and the Oilers clearly like Samwise according to Craig MacTavish. However, Sam and his agent have an idea about fair dollars for service and the Oilers have a cap number in mind, and those two things might not be close. 

Sam's a unique case--expecting him to do a 'Laddy Smid' and dictate to the media his contract before it's written is folly--and his agent wouldn't be doing his job unless he's pushing the dollars higher. That's just good represenation. 

On the other hand, this is a sweet, sweet spot in the batting order for any young player. Sam Gagner has a chance to be an outstanding 'end of the batting order' offensive player and a real positive for this young Oiler team. Even the loser in a battle for good wingers is going to end up with Yak City and someone else who can cash, and that my friends is very nice address. 

SAM GAGNER 12-13

  • 5×5 points per 60: 1.84 (4th among regular forwards)
  • 5×4 points per 60: 6.15 (1st among regular forwards, 19th in NHL)
  • Qual Comp: 5th toughest among regular forwards (2nd line opp)
  • Qual Team: 6th best teammates among regular forwards
  • Corsi Rel: -4.3 (9th best among regular forwards) (-14.44 CorsiON)
  • Zone Start: 51.4% (4th easiest among regular forwards)
  • Zone Finish: 52.0% (3rd best among regular forwards)
  • Shots on goal/percentage: 113/12.39% (2nd among F’s>70 shots)
  • Boxcars: 48, 14-24-38
  • Plus Minus: -6 on a team that was -15

Gagner's playing card looks exactly as we might expect at 5x5, and he had a wonderful run on the PP--a bad, bad thing considering MacT is about to buy free agent seasons from him. His shot differential was less than we should expect, and that's a concern, but the boxcars are lovely and he can clearly play with skill. 

Sam Gagner is going to cost a pretty penny. 

THE VOLLMAN SLEDGEHAMMER

(courtesy Bruce McCurdy via Rob Vollman)

Sam's bubble tells the story--small negative (red) in the shot differential and playing second toughest opp (putting him in the two way role) while still getting decent zone starts.

Is that graph worth $5M? Add his PP prowess and a great agent, I think a case can be made.

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?

I think it comes down to dollars. I believe Craig MacTavish when he says “Sam Gagner has really developed into a leader here, the type of character we want. And that’s going to be important when I’m making the decisions that we have the type of culture in that room. We’ve had a few years of too much of a circus in there. And that’s going to change" and I believe he wants to sign the young skill forward.

On the other hand, there's a line in the sand the new GM is unlikely to go past in terms of contract number and length, and with Samwise possibly a year away from free agency and holding some cards, I suspect this thing gets done one way or another before the free agent window opens.

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#1 Quicksilver ballet
May 29 2013, 05:52PM
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Oilers shouldn't sign him. He'll be worth more on the market if he's unsigned when he's dealt. Not everyone runs their ship the way the Oilers do. If anything, the Oilers are the model of how things shouldn't be done. Let the new team do business with Gagner on their terms. Don't saddle him with a slightly bloated contract.

Even better yet, maybe a team signs him to an RFA offer sheet. Oilers could sure use another 1st, 2nd and 3rd next season. Keep pumping those tires of his Craig.

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#3 DieHard
May 29 2013, 05:56PM
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This one scares me.

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#4 vetinari
May 29 2013, 06:00PM
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I'd rather that the Oil sign Sam for $4.5M to $5.25M per year than continue to take Horcoff's cap hit for the next few seasons. A second line centre gets paid in that range and produces Sam's numbers-- we just currently pay Horcoff Gagner's next contract. Fix it MacT!

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#6 T__Bone88
May 29 2013, 06:06PM
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I can't see Gagner signing for a cap hit of more than $4.5 million. Looking at recent contracts signed, Benn and Krecji have cap hits of 5.25 million, Neal has a cap hit of 5 million and Oshie signed for a 4.175 million cap hit. This upcoming season he will probably slide over to the wing since MacT wants to bring in a bigger center. RFA's don't have as much leverage as UFA's and if arbitration is filed I believe he can not be offered a offer sheet. If Gagner does want 5 or more than I would have no issue with the Oilers trading him to upgrade on defense

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#7 DieHard
May 29 2013, 06:11PM
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@Lowetide

LT, what would you be comfortable with? Would you do 5/6 years at cap hit 4.75?

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#9 PutzStew
May 29 2013, 06:17PM
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This will be interesting because it could set the tone for the rest of the summer. How this is dealt with will tell us if this administration moving ahead and away from the dark tunnel they have put themselves in or whether it's just a lot of hot air coming out of MacT's mouth.

Doesn't matter if he is signed or traded. To me it's all about how it's handled.

Gagner has been one of the better points of this team since his rookie season. I wish him luck and will cheer for him no matter where he ends up playing.

@Lowtide. What do you think the odds are he get's signed. Does it go to arbitration? Is he let go with class? Do we have another Ryan Smyth episode on our hands?

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#10 Quicksilver ballet
May 29 2013, 06:18PM
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This team isn't going anywhere till these guys are gone. Horcoff, Hemsky and Gagner, all have huge holes in their game. The only thing Gags has going for him is when the Oilers are shooting fish in a barrel when in the offensive zone, and his give a ship meter has a reading on it compared to these other two supposed leaders. All three of these guys struggle, from the opponents blue line back to the Oilers goal line.

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link, Edmonton has three on the same chain/team. This concludes this public service announcement, we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

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#11 SlowTalker
May 29 2013, 06:18PM
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30 minutes in and "you know who" hasn't weighed in on this? His ears must be burning red hot by now.

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#12 Jamie B.
May 29 2013, 06:19PM
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Sam's my favourite and I agree with MacT about his character, plus I'll be pissed if they played him through all those struggling years on a crappy team only to ditch him now, but I sincerely hope MacT plays hardass. Just spell it out for him: "Hey Sam, you wanna be around when we finally cash in all these last-place finishes and play on a pretty great team? Then you've gotta leave room for 93, 19 and 64 (or the d-man we trade someone for)."

If he'd rather have 5+ million and play in Florida or something, then you thank him for the six years of service and move him for as much as you can get. Totally Gagner's call.

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#14 madjam
May 29 2013, 06:29PM
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CoppernBlue figures put him @4.1M , with an outside shot @4.5M . At $4M i'd be shopping him .

My understanding is MacT. did not confer Gagner or J.Schultz was necessarily part of the Fab six . Read into it what you might .

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#15 magisterrex
May 29 2013, 06:30PM
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MacT is saying all the right things to prepare John Q. Public for the trade that's coming should Sammy Gags (things you read on ON) push for north of $4.5M.

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#16 stretch14
May 29 2013, 06:43PM
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@Lowetide

Lowetide, why exactly does a guy who has never broken 20 goals or 50 points deserve a contract in the $5mil/yr range?

I think that it's absurd to hand out those type of contracts like candy to a guy who still has some left to prove at the NHL level.

Granted this season his stats would be prorated to 24G, 41A, 65PTS over an 82 game season. Would he be able to maintain that pace over 82 games and stay healthy? Personally, I doubt it as he's a notoriously slow starter over the first couple months of the season.

Why should the Oilers shell out $4.5-5mil/yr for a guy who's had one good (but not great) half a season? He started the year on fire but even halfway through a shortened season he started to fizzle a bit during the second half.

I think $4mil/yr for 5-6 years is more than fair for both sides and even that is a little generous. Ideally, he'd be in the 3.5-3.75 range but I guess that's price you pay for buying up UFA years.

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#17 Supernova
May 29 2013, 07:02PM
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It would be great If we could ink Sam to the Previous hemsky contract.

In my opinion Hemsky covered that deal well, and I think that would be exceptional contract for this team.

Seriously don't get why people want to get out from under Horcoff, his contract is finally good money and he is finally slotted where he should be.

Unless Mact is going to propose Horcoff to Tampa for Lecavalier at 60 % of his contract, we need to keep Horcoff.

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#18 They're $hittie
May 29 2013, 07:04PM
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I said it last year. tambo screwed up by extending eberle at 6m and gagner 1 year. you overpay for eberle based on one years performance and now you have the same for gagner. should have signed sam last year to 5 or 6 @ 4.3 and eberle this year at 5.1. easily save 1.5 million or more.

gagner has a strong case. out produced the six million dollar man playing a tougher position and with lesser teamates. was our top pk based on a lot of stats. was the top pp guy. one of the top minutes forward. only center to play the whole year and possibly the same next.

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#19 DSF
May 29 2013, 07:05PM
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Gagner has always been a very streaky player.

In the first 10 games last season, he scored 11 points while many other players were getting up to speed after the lockout.

In the final 10 games, he scored 4 points...all of them 2nd assists.

Had he continued on the same pace as the last 10 games, he would have finished the season around 55 points.

Of course, there is a chance he would have picked up the pace again but I wouldn't bet on it.

What is a 55 point 2nd line centre who still needs sheltering 7 years into his career worth?

Anything over $4 million is likely an overpayment.

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#20 WhattaMike
May 29 2013, 07:10PM
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The question is.... where does sammy fit into the Oilers team pending the money he wants?

Is he a top type 2nd line centre for 65 - 70 points a yr with a plus 5 to 10 rating?

Not now or even yet.

Is he more likely a future type 3rd line centre with the ability to be good at faceoffs(???) defensive (???) and still be offensive to 45-50 points a yr (Probable)????

I don't know.

if he could be a younger hardworking version of Horcoff at $4 mil a yr for four yrs then its not too bad...but this is "if".

I like gagner for his work hard ethics but the Oil need a definite plus type 70 plus pts 2nd line center with 2 wayt abilities.

His deficiency at defence cost the team a few goals.

This is why I think he should be traded now before a contract is set and...if too high a contract....he is untradable.

The draft has very good 2nd line centre potiental with Barkov, Monahan, Lindholm, Horvat, and even Fredrick Gauthier is being given good praise.

There are trabable 3rd line centre with better defensice credentials than gagner has proven in 6 yrs so far. But I think the 3rd line is qwhere the Oilers want him cause they used him for PK duty this yr to see how he could be as a checking centre while doing 2nd line duty.

Sorry....but my vote is to trade him in a package for either a top 4 defenceman or a big mean checking winger.

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#21 mlcsellil
May 29 2013, 07:12PM
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Lowetide--I'll probably get flack for my comment, so here goes. I've never been sold on Gagner from the beginning, although he's had some games when he came out with guns blazing. By my eye, he isn't great on the dot, slower skater that lots of the other guys, not strong on the puck, always landing on his arse, way too many give-aways and doesn't seem to make other players better, but good players (Hall,Ebs and RNH) make him better. I don't usually pay too much attention to the numbers, only just the game in front of me. If MacT found another player to do Gangers job, my feelings wouldn't be hurt at all. If I was the GM, I'd let Gagner go. He seems to be at the same place in his career now as he was at the end of his first year. I'm not seeing much of an improvement from him. I think Ganger is as good as he's ever going to be. Just my opinion.

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#22 djc
May 29 2013, 07:13PM
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DSF wrote:

Gagner has always been a very streaky player.

In the first 10 games last season, he scored 11 points while many other players were getting up to speed after the lockout.

In the final 10 games, he scored 4 points...all of them 2nd assists.

Had he continued on the same pace as the last 10 games, he would have finished the season around 55 points.

Of course, there is a chance he would have picked up the pace again but I wouldn't bet on it.

What is a 55 point 2nd line centre who still needs sheltering 7 years into his career worth?

Anything over $4 million is likely an overpayment.

Wow, thank you for all that new information that you had NEVER shared with us!

Do you just cut and paste or do you have your script memorized?

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#23 Taylor Gang
May 29 2013, 07:42PM
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Okay let's be conservative and assume he gets 55 points in an 82 game season.

There's no way a player scoring 55 points a season would accept 4 million a year. That's chump change.

If this turns into O'Reilly v2, his value will drop a fair bit. If we REALLY were sold on him being our #2 (which I'm not) I'm thinking 4.5-5 x 4 is fair. If we thought about trading him, I would hope that it would be for another centre. Trade a winger if you want quality defensemen. I wonder how much a package centred (no pun intended) around Gagner would look if we went for someone like David Backes.

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#24 They're $hittie
May 29 2013, 07:48PM
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DSF wrote:

Gagner has always been a very streaky player.

In the first 10 games last season, he scored 11 points while many other players were getting up to speed after the lockout.

In the final 10 games, he scored 4 points...all of them 2nd assists.

Had he continued on the same pace as the last 10 games, he would have finished the season around 55 points.

Of course, there is a chance he would have picked up the pace again but I wouldn't bet on it.

What is a 55 point 2nd line centre who still needs sheltering 7 years into his career worth?

Anything over $4 million is likely an overpayment.

No one cares.

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#25 John Chambers
May 29 2013, 07:50PM
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Watching Chicago their 3rd and 4th lines are full of bargains: Kruger, Shaw, Bickell, Stahlberg, Saad. Heck, even Bolland only makes 3.5M.

When the Hawks last won the cup they had Ladd, Byfuglien, Versteeg, all on ELC's or bargain second contracts.

Gagner is not a top-tier player, offensively or otherwise. His offensive #'s make him a $4M player, but his poor defense, lack of size, etc don't earn him a penny more. I'd say his leadership and try are worth another 250k, and his upside is worth maybe another 250, but he's pushing it at 4.5M and anything more is an overpay that could really hurt this team.

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#26 They're $hittie
May 29 2013, 07:59PM
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So we trade Gagner and Nuge isn't 100 percent or playing to 100 percent of his abilities until December. Wow we are screwed at center than. We are not signing a big UFA center who is 65+ points without paying 6m+.

Furthermore, would you ink nuge to his ENTITLED 6M dollar extension with the numbers he has produced in only one year, that averaged out are not much better than gagners first two while playing with better players. Even if you said no you would feel it fair and safe to extend him at 5.

A stupid precedent has been set. Management basically comes out and says these 4 or 5 players are going to make 6M because that is what the best player on the team (Hall) makes, and even though you are not as good, you will all make that also. Just to make sure we dont have to pay you more.

WHY SHOULD ANYONE ON THIS TEAM OR GOING FORWARD BE PAID AS MUCH AS HALL. RIGHT NOW NO ONE IS EVEN WITHIN TWO CLASSES OF HIM.

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#27 They're $hittie
May 29 2013, 08:00PM
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@John Chambers

So overpaying Gagner 250K hurts this team but overpaying Eberle 1M doesnt?

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#28 madjam
May 29 2013, 08:04PM
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Lowetide seems to think it is a priority to sign Gagner . I disagree at least until after draft day . He's more valuable to trade .if that be the course we take , at his present salary .

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#29 John Chambers
May 29 2013, 08:10PM
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They're $hittie wrote:

So overpaying Gagner 250K hurts this team but overpaying Eberle 1M doesnt?

Oh overpaying anybody hurts. It's just another value contract that the GM needs to offset it against, and last I checked there wasn't a burgeoning crop of 3rd / 4th line material in OKC to draw from.

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#30 DSF
May 29 2013, 08:16PM
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Taylor Gang wrote:

Okay let's be conservative and assume he gets 55 points in an 82 game season.

There's no way a player scoring 55 points a season would accept 4 million a year. That's chump change.

If this turns into O'Reilly v2, his value will drop a fair bit. If we REALLY were sold on him being our #2 (which I'm not) I'm thinking 4.5-5 x 4 is fair. If we thought about trading him, I would hope that it would be for another centre. Trade a winger if you want quality defensemen. I wonder how much a package centred (no pun intended) around Gagner would look if we went for someone like David Backes.

Gagner's P/60 5V5 this past season was 1.84 (95th in the league among forwards who played at least 40 games)

Tom Pyatt, Vernon Fiddler and Andrew Cogliano were some notable players who posted a better number.

Gagner has always received a great deal of primo icetime and PP opportunities (33rd in P/60 5V4) and still hasn't put up the numbers that you would think appropriate.

Considering the weaknesses in his defensive game it's risky business.

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#31 horndog77
May 29 2013, 08:16PM
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Can't trade him with nuge not 100 percent. Can't pay him big bucks or Edmonton will turn into Chicago from a few years ago. With the cap going down this year, they are going to have to clear space if there gonna sign him.

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#32 John Chambers
May 29 2013, 08:18PM
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@They're $hittie

You know what I'd do - I'd wait to see how much Tyler Bozak gets as a UFA and then go back to Gagner's agent and say "if your man was a UFA he'd get the same dime as Bozak".

It honestly can't be much more than $4M - at least not this year. Jiri Hudler is probably a good comparable at $16M over 4.

Gags probably won't take less than 4, so if they gave him term at $20M over 5 or (gulp) $24M over 6, I think everyone walks away happy.

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#33 shea78
May 29 2013, 08:22PM
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This guy is a legit top six forward and oh ya, he's also a centerman. He has value on the trade market. If we can pull off a deal and land Barkov, would you deal Sam straight up for Alzner? If Washington chooses not to sign Ribeiro, the'll need a new second line center.

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#34 bazmagoo
May 29 2013, 08:24PM
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Why not sign Bozak to 4 years - 20 million then trade Gagner for an asset. Personally I think Bozak is an upgrade on Gagner.

Gagner + Marincin + 1st pick 2014 for Pietrangelo.

Those two moves would make us a playoff team over night - move over MacT, lol

*edit* Before I get my head ripped off I know trading for Pietrangelo is a pipe dream. But I think signing Bozak for .5 million more than Gagner will likely get, then trading Gagner for an asset qualifies as a "bold move"

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#35 WhattaMike
May 29 2013, 08:35PM
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@shea78

Dude, I like Gagner as you do seemingly, and his being only 23 yrs old but.... after and since his rookie yr... he has only been adequate with question marks and negatives versus his point levels.

Thats not good enough as a top 2nd line centre. Now if he could play consistently and more like his one 8 pt night against Chicago...there would be virtually no real arguments to resign him as the oilers 2nd line go to guy

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#36 RexLibris
May 29 2013, 08:35PM
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I'd like the Oilers to try to leverage a lower cap hit for term, with the knowledge that the longer term likely doesn't limit his trade market value significantly.

If Gagner signed a four-year deal at 44.25, heck let's say $4.5 for the sake of argument, I think that would be a fair deal because they could always deal a young forward at a decent cap hit for picks or prospects if they need to clear salary space.

One also needs to consider, it isn't necessarily how much of a cap hit he presents this coming season as what that amounts to in years two and three of the contract. I sincerely believe that the cap will go up to $70 million again within a year or two. Couple that with the eventual absence of Horcoff's contract, and even with re-signing Yakupov, Nugent-Hopkins and J. Schultz, there ought to be enough room to afford the contract for the time being.

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#37 Smokey
May 29 2013, 08:36PM
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I think he will be here long term as a winger. 4x4.5 is what he will get.

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#38 horndog77
May 29 2013, 08:37PM
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Personally think MacT is gonna have his work cut out for him this summer. Imagine what life will be like once nuge and yak are done their rookie contracts. Atleast Horcoffs, Smyths and Hemskys contracts will be finished by then. Still have to find and pay for that top pairing defenseman.

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#39 oilersinsider
May 29 2013, 08:41PM
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The best thing MacTavish could do is obtain a good 2nd line center option at the draft by trade.

If he could somehow swindle a Mike Fisher out of Nashville for two offensive weapons (Nashville might consider two offensive players for one) or a Derick Brassard out of NY, maybe a Joe Pavelski out of San Jose; Gagner no longer has the leverage in this equation because he becomes expendable.

Leverage makes all the difference and right now Edmonton doesn't have it.

If the Oil can manage to get Gagner on a good contract, Edmonton can move him to wing and/or have depth at center which would be ideal.

Right now Edmonton has to worry that if they can't get a good deal for Gagner, they lose him and have an injured Nuge and a declining Horcoff as their only centers unless they move Hall over.

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#40 Klima's Mullet
May 29 2013, 08:41PM
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Smokey wrote:

I think he will be here long term as a winger. 4x4.5 is what he will get.

This...all day. And Hall to Center.

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#41 horndog77
May 29 2013, 08:46PM
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Say no to Hall to center

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#42 Rocket
May 29 2013, 08:49PM
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horndog77 wrote:

Say no to Hall to center

^ This...all day.

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#43 shea78
May 29 2013, 08:49PM
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bazmagoo wrote:

Why not sign Bozak to 4 years - 20 million then trade Gagner for an asset. Personally I think Bozak is an upgrade on Gagner.

Gagner + Marincin + 1st pick 2014 for Pietrangelo.

Those two moves would make us a playoff team over night - move over MacT, lol

*edit* Before I get my head ripped off I know trading for Pietrangelo is a pipe dream. But I think signing Bozak for .5 million more than Gagner will likely get, then trading Gagner for an asset qualifies as a "bold move"

Pietrangelo? Keep dreaming.

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#44 speeds
May 29 2013, 08:53PM
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Lowetide wrote:

I'd be fine with $4.5M times 4 or 5. The length may seem to be severe, but he's young and should cover.

Severe?

If Gagner goes UFA, there is only a small chance IMO that he doesn't get a 7 year deal if he wants to sign for that long in the summer of 2014, assuming nothing out of the ordinary next season.

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#45 Rocket
May 29 2013, 08:54PM
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I like Gagner but if The Oilers can get something better or even replaceable then they should do it.

Lots of really well thought out & argued posts on this. Even DSF. Keep it classy ON.

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#47 NewAgeSys
May 29 2013, 08:58PM
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All of the young players will begin to sort themselves out soon enough.

Statistics are useless as valuation baselines so far,simply because in all reality there are only so many potential points to go around and even those numbers are system dependant.We cannot use tradition valuation methodologys anymore .Look at what Taylors bonus cost the teams 1st line in terms of balanced dynamic offensive projection?The line struggled for most of the year until adjustments to halls intent were forced upon him,and he was policed.Its a learning curve for Taylor and his line but not for the coaches who failed to remedy this in time.

Silent Sam is a core player here and carries the Oilers torch,he has earned every step of the way,nothing was given to him and he has endured tremendous critique,as he has his entire career,some Pros face this stigma their entire careers and put up star numbers over that timespan.

I predicted Sam would push for the scoring lead with Ebbs or Hall and I was absolutely right,I believe over 82 games he would have outscored Hall had Hall been managed properly on his line and not allowed to run wild so much and had Mps and Yak been put with and kept with Sam,Taylor wants to set his own learning curve,not gonna happen,wait till mac-T ties a 20lb weight to his inflight baggage with some PKing,and those rockets strapped to his feet get burned a little harder than they have so far.

We have more skill and talent than minutes,so obviously we will see a correction here and there and there will be contractual realisations some good some not so good.Things have no reason to change unless some miracle brings the Oilers the NewAge Hockey System and they can generate sunstantially more offense without loseing the defensive integrity they now have systemiclly.

An NHL 8 point night with all the Blue-bloods mouths hanging open watching their career platinum performance bar get jacked up over their heads by the most talented player on the roster.Jump in a time machine and go back and take the night back,or bite the bullet and man up.Or just ask Sammy real real nice what he was doing that night,good luck.I will bet you no other current Oiler will outdo that night and also that Sam will hit 6 points again next year at least twice maybe more if Yak is with him all year long,hell with yak he might reset the bar,ha ha ha.Finally I like stats.

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#48 shea78
May 29 2013, 09:04PM
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WhattaMike wrote:

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Dude, I like Gagner as you do seemingly, and his being only 23 yrs old but.... after and since his rookie yr... he has only been adequate with question marks and negatives versus his point levels.

Thats not good enough as a top 2nd line centre. Now if he could play consistently and more like his one 8 pt night against Chicago...there would be virtually no real arguments to resign him as the oilers 2nd line go to guy

I do like the compete level in this guy. What I am referring to is the fact that top six forwards are worth a ton. Centers are an even higher premium. Deal him away and get our D man.

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#49 Rocket
May 29 2013, 09:08PM
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@NewAgeSys

Gagner certainly can be a core player. On another team ;)

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#50 David S
May 29 2013, 09:09PM
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I honestly don't think Sam will walk if he doesn't get absolute top dollar. It's the term he'll be looking for. This is his gravy contract and I bet he knows it. 5 years anywhere north of $4M/yr gets it done.

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