RANDOM THOUGHTS: YAK SNUBBED? AND HALL BENCHED?

Jason Gregor
May 06 2013 12:16PM

Despite the Oilers being out of the playoffs for the 7th straight season, there is still numerous intriguing hockey stories unfolding around the NHL. Did the Vancouver Canucks window for a championship just slam shut? It didn't take long for Ottawa and Montreal to build a legitimate rivalry. The WHL final is very competitive, and today the first finalists for an NHL award were announced.

The NHL announced the three finalists for the Calder trophy (Rookie of the year). Brandon Saad, Brendan Gallagher and Jonathon Huberdeau made the cut while Nail Yakupov and Minnesota Wild D-man Jonas Brodin didn't.

I actually think Brodin got a worse snub than Yakupov. He played over 23 minutes a night at a much harder position. I understand why Oiler fans feel Yakupov got ripped off. I went back 50 years and couldn't find one year where the rookie leading scorer wasn't at least a finalist.

Of course, Yakupov never led rookie scoring until the final game of the season, and I wonder if six goals (35% of his season total) in the final three meaningless games played a role in the voter's decision? That is just a guess, but seems the only rationale explanation. Up until that weekend I don't think Yakupov was a legitimate candidate.

I would have voted for Brodin to win, but since he isn't in I'd vote for Gallagher. He had a solid season and did more than just put up points.

You shouldn't play the "He is Russian" card as why Yakupov got left off the ballot, because we've seen six Russians win the Calder since 1990: Sergei Makarov, Pavel Bure, Sergei Samsonov, Evgeni Nabokov, Alex Ovechkin and Evgeni Malkin.

It sucks for Yakupov not to be named a finalist, but it likely saves him a trip to Vegas where he wasn't going to win. This way he can stay home and train, and maybe use this snub as motivation to show the writers they made a mistake.

It would be great if the organization played with as much passion as the fans have over topics like this. Fans were fired up, and next season the Oilers better bring that same emotion onto the ice.

QUICK HITS

  • Mike Gillis' job has to be on the line in Vancouver. He agreed to let his goalie become a captain, then signed him to a ridiculous 12-year deal, then couldn't trade him and now his team is near the cap and the core of his team is aging. I'm very curious to see if Gillis stays in Vancouver, or if head coach Alain Vigneault becomes the sacrificial lamb.
     
  • Love the rivalry that has emerged from the Habs/Sens series. It wasn't just the 3rd period line brawl, although that reminded me of the great Oilers/Flames playoff games in the 1980s, but there is a lot of animosity and passion in this series. It is the must-watch series right now.
     
  • One of the best stats I've ever seen. The first star in all three games of the Habs/Sens series has lost a tooth during the game, including both goalies and D-man Jean-Gabriel Pageau.
     
  • If the Rangers get knocked out for the 2nd straight season by the Washington Capitals you have to think John Tortorella gets fired.
     
  • With potential job openings in New York and Vancouver I bet Lindy Ruff will be on the short-list for both.
     
  • I don't see much wrong with the state of the NHL, but I get fired up when people suggest the NHL is losing control of the game because of Gryba's hit on Lars Eller. Those hits are rare, so let's stop pretending the league is on downward spiral to "No-respectville." Read more here.
     
  • I've spoke with numerous scouts the past week and four of the five I spoke with feel Sean Monahan would be an excellent choice for the Oilers. All four of them feel he's a real pro. He is extremely mature and plays a solid two-way game. He isn't flashy offensively, but the Oilers don't need more flash. They need more substance. The other scout felt Darnell Nurse would be the perfect fit for the Oilers. He said Nurse is an incredible athlete and will emerge in three or four years as a top-pairing D-man.
     
  • Taylor Hall only played 8:33 in yesterday's 3-2 loss to Switzerland. He only played 1:43 in the 3rd and didn't get a shift in OT. I saw Hall turn the puck over twice at the offensive blueline and I'd bet that is the reason Lindy Ruff stapled him to the bench. Having Ruff as his coach at the World Championships could turn out to be a blessing for Hall. The Oilers young kids need to learn to protect the puck better, and I'm guessing Hall responds with a much better game tomorrow.
     

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#1 OvenChicken
May 06 2013, 12:33PM
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I like the irony of your name and post Mr. Common Sense #Facepalm

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#2 Racki
May 06 2013, 12:37PM
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Mr common sense, why doesn't your line up also have Crosby on the top line with Shea Weber on Defense, and Henrik Lundqvist in net?

I mean come on.. slight oversight on your part here..

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#3 Mantastic
May 06 2013, 12:52PM
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@Will

hope you know that Nurse is a D-man...

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#4 Racki
May 06 2013, 12:53PM
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mr. common sense wrote:

do yo have a calculator handy or have a napkin and pencil?

ok lets start....whorecough $5M minus Alice $5M........= ?

add the players I mention.....= ?

Oh man, you're absolutely right.. I forgot that all it takes is cap space and a phone call.

But since that's all it takes, again, I think you left out Crosby, Weber and Lundqvist.. we can make room!

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#5 mr. common sense
May 06 2013, 12:39PM
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Racki wrote:

Mr common sense, why doesn't your line up also have Crosby on the top line with Shea Weber on Defense, and Henrik Lundqvist in net?

I mean come on.. slight oversight on your part here..

do yo have a calculator handy or have a napkin and pencil?

ok lets start....whorecough $5M minus Alice $5M........= ?

add the players I mention.....= ?

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#6 OvenChicken
May 06 2013, 12:48PM
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mr. common sense wrote:

another dreamer stares into the summer sky and hopes for the best eh? #isupportanorexicmidgetnhlers

This isn't NHL13... these moves just don't happen because you wave your magic wand in the air, cross your fingers and tap you heals together twice. Give your head a shake.

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#7 Racki
May 06 2013, 01:03PM
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mr. common sense wrote:

perfect pedigree for a job with edm management...someone who cant do math or think outside the box. You need a Queens MBA

You're not thinking outside the box, you're thinking somewhere in outer space.. somewhere where the aliens that abducted you and planted these ridiculous ideas in your head are.

Simply put, cap hit isn't the reason your crap proposal won't work.

Anyways, since I'm sure your day job is Professional Troll, I'll leave it at that.

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#8 Wäx Män Riley
May 06 2013, 05:12PM
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Jasmine wrote:

This is Lindy Ruff and he hates the Oilers. He'll never give anyone another chance. Wouldn't be surprised if the idiot ruff doesn't even play Hall in next game.

Ruff hates the Oilers! The fans hate the Oilers. The NHL hates the Oilers. Bash hates the Oilers. This is so unfair!

Jasmine, take the Oilers-coloured glasses off.

That is like saying "Edmonton hates Chicago because they had the #1 PP when it was 8-1."

Gagner hates Chicago because he scored 8 points that game.

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#9 Robin Brownlee
May 06 2013, 05:17PM
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The deadline for PHWA voting on awards was April 30, so if voters sent ballots in early (and missed any games which could impact voting) it was on their own accord.

For the record, it's mind boggling to me Yakupov wasn't one of the three finalists.

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#10 mr. common sense
May 06 2013, 12:25PM
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This is a winning lineup (and you dont need a Queens MBA to figure it out)

1) Clarkson-Nuge-Eberle, 2) Hall-Dubinsky-Yak, 3)Clowe-Ott-Pajaarv, 4) Brown-Faceoff specialist-Clutterbuck, Extras: Tootoo, Smythe

Delete: Whorecough (buy-out), Alice, Gagner, Petrol, Jones, Belanger

D; 1) Streit-Boychuk, 2) J. Schultz-Nutcase (think Kasparitus), 3) Smid-Petry, Extras: N. Schultz, Matt Green type, Fistric

Delete: Peckham, Potter, Whitney

Goalies: 1) Dubnyk, 1A) Tim Thomas

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#11 Racki
May 06 2013, 12:31PM
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My thoughts on Hall being benched.. in Edmonton, we're a developing team where the coach is expected to be patient as the kids learn. On Team Canada, you better bring your A game.. you should already know what you're doing at this point. There's no room for experimenting and solo plays (or at least the ones that don't work).

Giroux could have been benched too for a similar play in which he dipsee-doodled through the neutral zone, was stripped of the puck, and the Swiss scored (unlike on Hall's errors). He wasn't though. In that case, it was Ruff going with what he knows... you know plays like that will be few and far between for Giroux. With Hall, yah, he's more unknown to Ruff, so I'm sure that was part of his reasoning for benching Hall. But also, Hall made 3 gaffes that game, two of which were on the same shift, with one of those being right in front of the Team Canada bench.

Hall will earn Ruff's trust back I'm sure though.

As for Yak, I'm fine with the snub.. didn't think he was the best option. But for sure Jonas Brodin should have been on the list over Brandon Saad. Also I recall hearing someone say that several PHWA votes were in before the final games. Not sure who it was and what truth to that though, but I think it was someone ON the PHWA.

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#12 mr. common sense
May 06 2013, 12:37PM
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OvenChicken wrote:

I like the irony of your name and post Mr. Common Sense #Facepalm

another dreamer stares into the summer sky and hopes for the best eh? #isupportanorexicmidgetnhlers

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#13 CC
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I hope there is talk about bringing in Vigneault, when/if he gets fired. I don't mind Krueger, but if Vigneault is available you make the more. Kinda like the Hawks firing Savard and brought in Quinnville.

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#14 Rocket
May 06 2013, 12:41PM
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Yeah that tooth losing stat is super awesome. That series & the LA/STL series are must watch hockey right now.

Also, Hall should not have been benched. He made a couple mistakes but they were not super costly so he should have had the opportunity to turn his game around.

He is too much of a difference maker in a game to sit in the third.

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#15 Will
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Playoff hockey is so good. Watching the nucks Sanjose series, it's hard to think the Oilers are ready for the playoffs. I am also enjoying the Islanders not give up at al against the Pens, though that is clearly the worst team ever assembled to take a penalty against.

Good to hear about Monahan, but if he's as good as they say, why would he still be on the board at seven? Unless Nurse, and Nichushkin are taken before us, there is no way Monahan is on the board.

It will have to be Jones, Mckinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Nichushkin, Nurse, for Mohnahan to be there. Even worse, however, is it could go Jones, Mckinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Monahan, Nurse. That leaves us with the smaller centre Nurse, or the wild card Russian Nichushkin. In that scenario, I hope they either take Nichushkin, or trade down and grab Gautier.

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#16 Mantastic
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i don't know what i want more in the SJ/Van series... whether they get swept and we can say that they won as many playoff games as the mighty Oil this season or them winning the next game but getting their teeth get kicked in at a half-empty Rogers arena... tough tough decision.

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#17 Rocket
May 06 2013, 12:57PM
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I agree The Oilers are not ready for playoff hockey. They would not last 5 minutes against the physicality of LA or STL.

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#18 Will
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Mantastic wrote:

hope you know that Nurse is a D-man...

Yes I do, that was a typo, I meant small centre Lindholm. Though I am fine with them picking Nurse, we need to get bigger and deeper at centre. Our prospect pool needs to begin getting stocked with big gritty forwards, not D as their is already a log jam there.

If we're going to get a player that isn't going to be ready for a few years anyway, why not trade down and take Gautier, so at least by then when we're still whining that our team needs size at centre, there will be a prospect in our system ready to take that role.

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#19 mr. common sense
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Racki wrote:

Oh man, you're absolutely right.. I forgot that all it takes is cap space and a phone call.

But since that's all it takes, again, I think you left out Crosby, Weber and Lundqvist.. we can make room!

perfect pedigree for a job with edm management...someone who cant do math or think outside the box. You need a Queens MBA

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#20 mr. common sense
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OvenChicken wrote:

This isn't NHL13... these moves just don't happen because you wave your magic wand in the air, cross your fingers and tap you heals together twice. Give your head a shake.

but thats what im saying.....midgets cant win in reality, only in nhl 13. glad you agree

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#21 Will
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I agree The Oilers are not ready for playoff hockey. They would not last 5 minutes against the physicality of LA or STL.

I stil think back to that St. Louis game this year when the whole team pushed back physically and handily beat the blues like 3 nothing. If they played like that, I think they could at least compete, but that was the only game I can remember all year when they played like that.

Our road to the cup would have to be something like Phoenix, Colorado, Minny, Columbus for out current iteration to have a shot. Here's hoping like Toronto and Montreal last year, we can make some moves and upgrade on size, grit, and defence, and be a competitor.

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#22 Rob...
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1) The Swiss were stick-checking gods on the ice yesterday.

2) Maybe I wasn't watching closely enough, but I saw the play die on the end of Eberle's stick more often than Halls. *forgive me Wanye.

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#23 djc
May 06 2013, 01:18PM
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mr. common sense wrote:

perfect pedigree for a job with edm management...someone who cant do math or think outside the box. You need a Queens MBA

Why are you so obsessed with MacTavish having an MBA?

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#24 Truth
May 06 2013, 01:28PM
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Regarding mr. common sense vs. everyone else; I think the point is the Oilers need to get tougher to play against and I couldn't agree more. To get that lineup in the off-season would be a miracle. One thing you would say for certain in that lineup is that the Oilers would not be easy to play against anymore.

Regarding Hall being benched; I don't necessarily disagree with Ruff sitting Hall in order to enforce playing of the team's system. I do disagree with Ruff not playing Hall late in the third and especially OT. Hall is one of the most dangerous forwards in the game when it comes to making a play single-handedly. Play him 4 vs. 4 on the open ice and lookout.

Edit: open ice = big ice

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#25 geoilersgist
May 06 2013, 01:31PM
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Somehow knew that Yak wouldn't win, but I thought he would get nominated at least. What a kick in the teeth to Brodin though. Wow.

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#26 106 and 106
May 06 2013, 01:32PM
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@Rob...

Wayne never forgives.

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#27 onlyoil
May 06 2013, 01:39PM
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Jason, I have no problem with Hall getting benched, but playing only 8 mins is freaking ridiculous, sit him for a couple of shifts. Taylor tries that dangle move all the time and it very rarely works, he needs to get that play out of his game, simply dump it in and go get it he has the speed. Yak getting snubbed is suprising to me, I personally thought Brendan Gallagher, Nail, and Brodin should have been the 3 finalist with Gallagher winning the calder. I love how he plays the game this little dude gets it.

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#28 Quicksilver ballet
May 06 2013, 01:41PM
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Oh, so this is going to be one of those kind of topics...

Hall/RNH/Eberle

Morrow/Weiss/Yakupov

Penner/Barkov/Clarkson

Smyth/Ott/Brown----Torres/Wellwood/Orr

Streit/J.Shultz

Gudbranson/Smid

Klefbom/Petry----N.Schultz/Redden

Dubnyk/Nabokov or Khabibulin

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#29 geoilersgist
May 06 2013, 01:41PM
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@Racki

So what you are trying to say is the Oilers have been given more than the two buyouts that every other teams has.

I don't believe you for one second....

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#30 DSF
May 06 2013, 01:42PM
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Quicksilver ballet wrote:

Oh, so this is going to be one of those kind of topics...

Hall/RNH/Eberle

Morrow/Weiss/Yakupov

Penner/Barkov/Clarkson

Smyth/Ott/Brown----Torres/Wellwood/Orr

Streit/J.Shultz

Gudbranson/Smid

Klefbom/Petry----N.Schultz/Redden

Dubnyk/Nabokov or Khabibulin

What?!

No Weber?

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#31 Racki
May 06 2013, 01:43PM
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geoilersgist wrote:

So what you are trying to say is the Oilers have been given more than the two buyouts that every other teams has.

I don't believe you for one second....

I'm guessing my sarcasm was completely lost on you.

Or else I am just lost what you meant.

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#32 abpotato
May 06 2013, 01:44PM
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62 years since Rookie points leader is excluded from being a Calder trophy nominee...wrong, plain wrong.

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#33 geoilersgist
May 06 2013, 01:47PM
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@Racki

Haha I got what you were saying that was supposed to be a reply to mr. Not so common sense.

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#34 Racki
May 06 2013, 01:49PM
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geoilersgist wrote:

Haha I got what you were saying that was supposed to be a reply to mr. Not so common sense.

Oh OK, gotcha. lol

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#35 Quicksilver ballet
May 06 2013, 01:57PM
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What?!

No Weber?

Weber who?

Not fermilyer with this dude, dude. Is he on HockeyDB?

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#36 Jasmine
May 06 2013, 02:17PM
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@mr. common sense

If they buy out Horcoff, I hope Oilers finish in 30 to prove the worth fans didn't see in Horcoff. Fans are reason players don't sign in Edmonton as they constantly want to run players out of town.

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#37 Jasmine
May 06 2013, 02:19PM
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@Racki

Hall will never ever earn Ruff's trust. Remember Ruff hates the Oilers as he ran up a score on the Oilers a couple of years ago using the #1 PP unit with the score already 10-2.

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#38 Jasmine
May 06 2013, 02:21PM
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@Rocket

This is Lindy Ruff and he hates the Oilers. He'll never give anyone another chance. Wouldn't be surprised if the idiot ruff doesn't even play Hall in next game.

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#39 Jasmine
May 06 2013, 02:25PM
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@Truth

Giroux made a mistake costing Canada a goal but wasn't bench. There's proof right there that Ruff hats the Oilers and will bench them. Won't be surprised if Ruff sits Hall in next game and he doesn't even dress.

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#40 SrCain
May 06 2013, 02:35PM
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mr. common sense wrote:

but thats what im saying.....midgets cant win in reality, only in nhl 13. glad you agree

I crush midgets in NHL 13. Bring it.

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#41 clyde
May 06 2013, 02:40PM
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Rocket wrote:

Yeah that tooth losing stat is super awesome. That series & the LA/STL series are must watch hockey right now.

Also, Hall should not have been benched. He made a couple mistakes but they were not super costly so he should have had the opportunity to turn his game around.

He is too much of a difference maker in a game to sit in the third.

Hall makes these mistakes every game in Edmonton and is never held accountable. Here is different as those mistakes are the difference makers and cost the team.

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#42 15w40
May 06 2013, 03:12PM
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Its amazing the different opinions on the same subject.

On one hand you have the independent side (Gregor) with the Hall scenario benefiting him in the long run, learning to be responsible and all that.

And on the other hand you have the Oilers' side with their spokesperson (Stauffer) ready to burn Lindy Ruff at the stake over his handling of Hall.

Its interesting how different the approaches are when you are coaching a short event with the sole purpose of winning and not having to worry about players quitting on you or "tuning you out"

I haven't saw more than 5 minutes of any of the WHC so I can't comment on what Hall has or hasn't done but maybe these 2 weeks will be the education he has needed to round out his game.

In Edmonton there is no plan B. When he isn't out there they aren't scoring for the most part so no matter what he does they have to just keep sending him over the boards.

Ruff has the luxury to say "Do it the right way or watch those who do it the right way"

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#43 madjam
May 06 2013, 03:18PM
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So Hall actually did play , but was benched for poor play . Happens to the best of them - an off day /game . He'll be the better for it no doubt .

Would DesKeyser (Detroit ) have won the Calder if it were a full season -I believe he might have .

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#44 Racki
May 06 2013, 03:24PM
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Jasmine wrote:

Hall will never ever earn Ruff's trust. Remember Ruff hates the Oilers as he ran up a score on the Oilers a couple of years ago using the #1 PP unit with the score already 10-2.

I think his beef is (or was, since it was so long ago now) with Lowe, not with Hall. I doubt that's what motivated him. Dubnyk got a full game in so far.. Eberle also wasn't scratched at all.

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#45 Oiler Al
May 06 2013, 03:34PM
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I guess Lowe saved some bonus money for the Oilers when Yak failed to nail the Calder vote.

Hall has to learn that is his "head down" solo runs are ok in Windsor, but not so much in the NHL or International level of hockey.Why Krueger has not corrected this is, beyond me!Puck turn over is the name of the game in Edmonton, but not elsewhere.

Watching games like St Louis/LA, and evern Habs and Senators, makes me gringe, to think how Oilers would fair in those roller derbys?

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#46 TeddyTurnbuckle
May 06 2013, 03:57PM
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Good for Ruff to bench Hall. He tries that stupid toe drag move all the time and it never works. Here in Edmonton we can't bench him because he is our best player. On team Canada he is average.

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#47 Racki
May 06 2013, 03:58PM
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Oiler Al wrote:

I guess Lowe saved some bonus money for the Oilers when Yak failed to nail the Calder vote.

Hall has to learn that is his "head down" solo runs are ok in Windsor, but not so much in the NHL or International level of hockey.Why Krueger has not corrected this is, beyond me!Puck turn over is the name of the game in Edmonton, but not elsewhere.

Watching games like St Louis/LA, and evern Habs and Senators, makes me gringe, to think how Oilers would fair in those roller derbys?

Pretty sure the team's leading scorer (and top 10) wasn't the problem here, Al.

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#48 Jerod
May 06 2013, 04:44PM
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Oilers should hire Alain Vigneault as head coach when he gets fired from Vancouver.

He would be an excellent coach for the Oilers.

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#49 Wäx Män Riley
May 06 2013, 05:05PM
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Jasmine wrote:

If they buy out Horcoff, I hope Oilers finish in 30 to prove the worth fans didn't see in Horcoff. Fans are reason players don't sign in Edmonton as they constantly want to run players out of town.

I'll feed her this time.

Horcoff wouldn't be bought out because he is a terrible player he would be bought out because he is overpaid.

5.5 for a #3-4 C that can occasionally move up??

Sounds like a buyout to me. It has nothing to do with hating Horcoff. It's business.

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#50 Harlie
May 06 2013, 05:35PM
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Jasmine wrote:

Giroux made a mistake costing Canada a goal but wasn't bench. There's proof right there that Ruff hats the Oilers and will bench them. Won't be surprised if Ruff sits Hall in next game and he doesn't even dress.

I would love the idiot Ruff to beat up KLowe in a barn and then take over the GM position and then bench Taylor Hall for 5.5 games and then send him to the minors and then call up Glen Sather on the phone and sell him RNH for 2 bux and a cab ride through the big apple and a portrait from Pocklington's storage locker in Switzerland.

All this because Lindy Ruff HATS us!!

There's proof right there!

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